r/regretjoining • • Feb 09 '17

My Story

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Back in 2006 at the age of 18 I joined the US Navy (in a group called the seabees). I was very patriotic and wanted to serve the country. At the time I believed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without question and felt that being against them was unpatriotic.

Towards the end of boot camp I began to really think about what I did and started to feel that maybe I had made a mistake. When I was in A School I was appalled how psychopathic and stupid everyone was. Examples would be, I remember people talking about how fun it would be to kill Muslim children. Other times people would talk about raping Muslim women. This type of behavior was very common and whenever it happened I would tell them they were sick and shouldn't be that way. I was also constantly being bullied for being different from them and also because at the time I was a virgin. I had a few incidents where I was shoved into oncoming traffic and other instances where I was told the wrong time to show up so I would get into trouble. I tried to act like an adult and I turned them in for the bullying but I was basically told to, “stop being a faggot and wasting our time coming to us with your hurt feelings.” At one point I lost control and shoved a guy into furniture. He then ran away and told on me (he is shown in an article below). By this time I knew I didn't want to be there anymore. Also by this time I began to have animosity towards the United States itself. My conservative political beliefs went away and I began to question everything.

When I got to the seabee battalion I decided I was going to attempt to get kicked out. Logic told me that if I went to my command and politely told them how I was now opposed to the war and also began to believe that America was too violent of a nation for me to serve. They yelled at me and said "you should have thought about that before you joined". I decided after this I was just going to not do my job and be terrible. I was treated very badly by the vast majority of seabees. I had woken up several times in the middle of the night because someone was banging on my door screaming that they wanted to kill me. I often broke rules or just left work for no reason. For some reason I never seemed to get in trouble though. As time went on I became more desperate to get out. I called the Canadian Immigration Agency and asked them if they would give refugee status to a US military deserter. They told me if I came to Canada as a deserter I could risk being deported because it would be illegal immigration. I then was caught by an undercover cop trying to buy marijuana. This only resulted in a disciplinary review board where I was screamed at for and hour and a half. I told them during that "I don't want to be a baby killer anymore and the war in Iraq is wrong". Ironically I still did not get in trouble after that. One chief even decided to "mentor" me and felt I just needed encouragement (this still makes no sense to me). During this whole time most other low ranking seabees hated me. I would often receive death threats. One guy even repeatedly told me he wanted to rape me.

As time went on I was deployed to Guam. There I continued to intentionally do poor work and say offensive things. Another chief decided to "mentor" me and he actually nominated me for "Sailor of the Year". At this point I started pretending to be suicidal. They then sent me to a psychiatrist and I told him everything. He was shocked and offended by my disloyalty and desire to leave the country. He said that he would try to get me separated. This didn't work. I then threatened to kill myself again so they sent me to the same psychiatrist. He was shocked I was still in the Navy and then told the command more aggressively to separate me. This finally worked and I was discharged from the Navy on August 29, 2008. My discharge paper says "Convenience of the Government" for the reason.

I'm currently a college graduate with a decent job. Before you ask, NO I did not have the GI Bill and even if I did I would have refused it. I would like to leave the country and still have some animosity but I'm currently not qualified to immigrate anywhere I would like to go to. I was politically active when I was in college and often protested current wars and government policy. I had to deal with a lot of hate issues for years but I'm slowly getting better.

Years after I got out, I looked up the guy I hated most and found this.

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/sex-offender-charged-with-molesting-girl/article_04d3456b-451b-563a-b1b0-155a4880a15b.html

That should give you an idea what I was surrounded with in the Navy.

I decided to create this subreddit so I can help people that were in my situation get out. I hope that they can be provided with good advice that can let them get out quicker than I did.

EDIT: I ended up immigrating to Canada in April of 2018 and still live there to this day. I became a Canadian citizen in 2023.

EDIT: Here’s more about that piece of shit I hated.

https://www.in.gov/apps/indcorrection/ofs/ofs?previous_page=1&detail=225315


r/regretjoining • • May 20 '24

The GI Rights Hotline is a good source for help.

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https://girightshotline.org

They helped me when back when I was stuck in and can do the same for you.


r/regretjoining • • 14h ago

My SHPE got pushed back

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I can’t take it anymore. My SHPE got pushed from today back to Oct 27. Is there any way I can make this go faster?


r/regretjoining • • 1d ago

No meaningful connections.

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Not sure if this is the right place to post but seems appropriate enough. I’ve been in the army for quite some time, almost 8 years active duty. Currently on my third duty station. Was originally a 13F now I’ve been a 35N for almost 5 years. I’ve always been a bit of an introvert so I do not really have anyone to blame but myself but one thing people always say about the military is despite how shitty is is, one thing that remains is the lifelong bonds and relationships you form. I literally have none of that. I’ve been in almost a decade, no friends I keep in touch with, nobody currently who I hang out with even on weekends. A few acquaintances here and there but nobody that is a true friend. When all just said and done and I finally ETS, I will have really no reason to look back. No memories of great camaraderie none of that “good times with the boys” you see on bro vet pages. Idk just something I’ve been reflecting on. Anyone else had the same experience?


r/regretjoining • • 1d ago

HONESTLY TIRED OF THIS SHIT

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I joined the Army thinking it would be one of the best decisions for my future, but honestly, I regret it. I feel like my life is on hold, like I’m just existing instead of living. I feel stuck, unhappy, and mentally drained.

I’ve struggled with anxiety and depression, but after experiencing a miscarriage, my mental health has gotten significantly worse. I haven’t even had the chance to properly grieve or heal.My pregnancy gave me a little joy with being here. I’ve reached out to Behavioral Health, spoken with leadership, and I’m taking antidepressants that don’t seem to be helping.

Another thing that has been affecting my mental health is being the only female in my unit. I’m constantly surrounded by males, and it can feel extremely isolating and uncomfortable at times. I don’t have another female Soldier around who I can relate to or feel comfortable talking to about certain things. It makes me feel even more alone in an environment where I’m already struggling mentally and emotionally. Being the only woman in my immediate work environment has made my experience even harder. I dread going to work.

I’m mentally, physically, and emotionally exhausted. I have goals and dreams, but I feel like my life is at a standstill. I’m trying so hard to get better, but I feel like I’m not receiving the support I genuinely need. I just want to feel like myself again and have some peace and happiness in my life.

Are there any resources, patient advocates, support groups, or professionals who can actually help? I would appreciate any advice.

I’m genuinely struggling and hoping someone can help me.
Please be kind. I’m not looking for sympathy or judgment. I’m genuinely asking for help because I don’t want to keep feeling this way.


r/regretjoining • • 2d ago

Hate my life 7 months in

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Recently graduated OSUT and went to one of the schools to get my wings. Now at my unit I’ve never been so depressed. All of my efforts to prove myself as capable and not retarded is thrown out the window. Just a constant haze fest. The physicality I don’t mind, but the verbal insults is what hurts me deep. They accuse me of being everything I’ve tried so hard not to be and it’s taken a toll on me on a very personal level. Any help or advice is appreciated


r/regretjoining • • 3d ago

Has anyone else been accused of having never actually been in and were just making it up?

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Prior to leaving the US, I was accused of this several times both online and in person. I was told I was making it up for attention when I told people not to join. I remember having to post a picture of my discharge paper back when I started this subreddit. I’ve also been told I wouldn’t have spoken badly of the military like that if I was actually there. I’ve never been accused of that here in Canada and that’s probably because a bad military experience pushing someone out of their country makes sense to people here.

If I were to make this up, wouldn’t I have put a crazy war story or have been a seal? A teenager that hated the Seabees because they were assholes with nonsense rules that got kicked out in Guam doesn’t really seem like something someone would make up.

Still have the proof picture actually.

http://imgur.com/0eiFksP


r/regretjoining • • 3d ago

Navy

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So I might get a lot of hate for this or whatever but I can’t stop thinking of this, but I went to navy boot camp on August 5th and started off strong didn’t have any bad feelings or anything until the 2nd week, I was starting to realize like am really serving my country for this bum ass president, and honestly I was slowly starting to hate it and not in a way like I don’t want to do this because am a pussy but more like am seeing what’s going on with our country and economy, and I can’t sit here and act like I don’t like it or agree with it, obviously I didn’t know what was going on outside but ik before going in it wasn’t good or wasn’t going to get better, another thing was the people in there are weird af, am talking about sexual weird like people talking about the Rdc is bad or other girls are bad, and these are guys who have girls at home, there’s deadass recruit that join for the women,and ik there’s a shit ton of guys like this in the navy. And before anyone says I don’t get bitches I have a gf and am loyal so hearing that is weird. Another is my rdc’s were soft, I got more motivation from my bro div’s rdc than my own, like seeing them get yelled at and doing IT while we’re sitting down learning how to fold and stow and mind you there speaking softly compared to our bro div. I didn’t even know we could get a way with laughing, I thought we would get put in IT for that but the whole div would laugh and we’d get away with it. I think that’s why they say that our military has gotten soft, anyways I lot my interest in wanting to be there, i also saw two army soldiers with there ACU’s and thought there were badass, and seeing my nwu’s I thought to my self I joined the wrong branch, I don’t know if I just have high expectations or maybe my rdc’s ruin my experience but I didn’t want to be apart of the navy, and I basically said that I was suicidal and was on the process on getting separated, and yes ship 17 is shit, if can do it again I would want to get into the army or Air Force to do reserves, I can’t go in because I got a re-4 on my separation papers because I said I had a plan ig, the reason why I say Air Force is because I know my expectations are going to be low compared to the navy, I respect anyone who serves, but I just don’t want to be in the military under this leadership that we have,like the tittle is cool and whatever, but once u realize that in the navy we’re all grown ass men having to agree to to what our dumbass president is doing I personally can’t . Am barely 19 so yes am young and dumb and I probably fucked up my military career, but it’s still possible to have a successful life without the military, it might be hard but it’s doable, am currently in a hvac class. Getting my license and certification. And question how tf is it that there is fat rdc’s in the military 😂😂😂 I genuinely don’t understand how that’s even allowed, I get if ur older but young and fat, and am not talking about like u gotta be ripped but mf if ur gonna be a Rdc u have to have a good image or be imitating because I can’t have a fat Rdc telling to do 8 counts looking like he hasn’t been to the gym once.


r/regretjoining • • 5d ago

ELS help

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Okay so I’ve been at my first duty station for a while. My one year of service marks in January. I had to get waivers for some mental health stuff before joining. I thought the military would help; it didn’t, it made it 10x worse. So they are entry level separating me, just got the news today that it’s officially being processed. How long could this take? I’m scared because I was told if it goes past January, then my separation would change and they would MEB me.


r/regretjoining • • 6d ago

In the DEP for the navy, having regrets.

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I was recently offered an electrician apprenticeship. All I need to do is pass my aptitude test but I’m already sworn into the Navy. My ship day is November 12th, originally APACT I’m even currently in the process of getting switched to MA. So I know that makes backing out that much more worse. Being a little away from a month to shipping. I feel like now’s the time to be excited, but all I feel is sadness and regret. I also do have a girlfriend that I’m not sure I’m ready to “leave behind” which I know I’m not doing that but like I know what I’m signing up for, going far yk. Just not sure this life is for me. Just don’t know how to bring it up to my recruiter because I feel terrible that I’ve wasted his time. I’d rather regret not joining then having regretted joining, cause then I’m really stuck


r/regretjoining • • 7d ago

Why

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Why do you regret joining?
Why didn’t you join?


r/regretjoining • • 7d ago

Exposing chicago police academy..

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Hello everyone I want to share something it's been on my chest for a while... and it's time for me to let go ...

I NEVER THOUGHT SERVING MY COUNTRY WOULD COST ME THE CHANCE TO SERVE MY CITY.

I’m sharing my experience at the Chicago Police Academy because I believe people should know what happened to me and I want to hear from anyone who has experienced something similar.

I entered the Chicago Police Department academy in 2024 because I wanted to serve my city. I worked through the academy, completed the required training, and believed I was moving forward toward becoming a Chicago police officer.

Then I received military orders and had to leave for military service overseas. I notified CPD and provided documentation concerning my military obligations. My understanding was that when I returned, I would continue the process and eventually take the Illinois state certification exam.

When I returned, however, things changed.

Instead of simply continuing the process, I was placed into another academy class and was required to go through additional training/testing. I believe I was treated differently from other recruits after returning from military service.

I also experienced what I believe was unfair and inappropriate treatment from academy personnel. One statement that has stayed with me was an officer telling me words to the effect of:

“Go back to the Navy where you came from.”

I documented what happened, and I have paperwork and other evidence that I believe supports my account.

What makes this even more difficult for me is what I observed regarding another recruit.

I am aware of a recruit who, according to my understanding, was caught with illegal drugs while in the academy. Despite that situation, my understanding is that the department continued to support that recruit through additional training before ultimately taking separate action against him.

Meanwhile, I was a Navy Reserve service member who had left the academy because I had military obligations and returned wanting to continue serving both my country and my city. After I returned, I believe I was subjected to increased scrutiny and ultimately denied the opportunity I had expected to have.

I am not saying this other recruit should or should not have been given another opportunity. That's not my point.

My question is:

Why did I receive the treatment I received after returning from military service?

If CPD had legitimate performance concerns about me, I believe they should be able to explain why those concerns resulted in the treatment I received, why I was treated differently after returning from military service, and why I was not allowed to continue on the path I understood I was supposed to be on.

I am not asking Reddit to automatically believe me. I am asking people to look at the timeline and the evidence.

I have documentation, military orders, academy paperwork, communications, and other material relating to what happened.

I have also pursued the appropriate complaint channels rather than simply making accusations online.

I'm sharing this because I don't want another reservist or service member to go through something similar without knowing their rights.

If you have experience with the Chicago Police Academy, CPD, USERRA, military-service discrimination, or a similar situation, I would genuinely like to hear from you.

I wanted to serve my country and then serve my city. I still believe I deserved a fair opportunity to do both. I hope I can get understand and I will woth time to reveal more details on the academy


r/regretjoining • • 7d ago

Medical Waivers (depression) questions!

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r/regretjoining • • 7d ago

So burnt out..

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r/regretjoining • • 8d ago

The chief that tried to mentor me added me on Facebook. Not really sure what to do.

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I mentioned in My Story that a chief tried to mentor me. To add more detail, I remember him initially thinking if I would just get treated better, I’d realize how, “great the navy was.” After a while of this clearly not working, he was one of the people that told the command I needed to be separated. I detected a conflict in him between being brainwashed by the navy while simultaneously being a good person.

That being said, it was kind of weird to see a friend request on Facebook from him out of nowhere. I accepted it but it kind of feels odd. I know he had to notice that I now live in Canada so that says a lot too.

My plan is to not say anything but if he messages me, I’ll respond. I’m kind of surprised he remembers me almost 20 years later. I wonder if he has any remorse for being part of the military for so long. I wouldn’t think a retired chief would reach out to the guy who blatantly didn’t want to be there decades ago that he only knew for a few months. I also realized until today, I didn’t have a single person on my friends list from that time. This means he had to go out of his way to find me.


r/regretjoining • • 9d ago

Recruiter chief keeps calling me months after quitting dep

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I was in navy dep then decided instead to finish college instead and it’s been 3 months since I left it, and I obviously just blocked the recruiter number and what not after apologizing on wasting time , but last 2 weeks I kept getting a call from a number just to find out it’s the chief of that recruiting station calling me. How down bad are they even after all these months like cmon and are the numbers really that low or something


r/regretjoining • • 8d ago

I just got an article 112 A in the military what should I do?

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r/regretjoining • • 9d ago

I'm incredibly over this

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Been in the military for just about 10 months and I'm just over it, everything the job the base the military in general it is not what I expected it to be and is causing me major anxiety/depressional thoughts and feeling that it's impacting my daily life. I want to ELS and brought it up with my superior but he just told me to hold off and see if the meds for my anxiety and depression kick in but they haven't and I don't want the time frame for when I can submit a ELS form to expire date wise (less than 365). can I force my supervisor to start the process of ELS even though he's telling me to wait because he might care of what our commander might think and would my commander even approve it. Like is it a I want to ELS type situation and my commander can block it and what are the negatives of that and will I be punished for even attempting to want to be ELS’d and separated from military in general? I JUST WANT out I don't care anymore and am afraid of what might become of me If I stay in!!


r/regretjoining • • 9d ago

Just pissed hot

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I’m a junior Marine who recently got to my first duty station and tested positive on a urinalysis for marijuana. I went to SACO today and was told I popped, and my SSgt was very clear that I’ll most likely be separated and said I could be gone in roughly 45 days.
I’m mainly looking to hear from anyone who has actually been through a drug-related admin separation in the Marine Corps recently.
What did your timeline look like from the positive result to actually going home? Did you receive NJP/restriction before separation? What characterization of service did you end up getting, and was the “30–45 day” timeline your command gave you pretty accurate?
Not looking for judgment — I know I put myself in this situation. Just trying to understand what the next month or two will realistically look like from people who have experienced it firsthand.


r/regretjoining • • 12d ago

How could I get out? USMC. Final straw.

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Hello, i been in for a little under a year. I been wanting to get out for months now. Im sick of the hazing the stupid punishments and rules. The toxic leaderships and people that think they can bully others just bc of rank, also for the sake of my mental help. Im depressed and i dont care about anything at all. I am willing to go as far as getting NJP'd to get out. Thats obviously my last option tho. Is there more better ways to get out? Ive been rereading this post a lot (https://www.reddit.com/r/regretjoining/comments/l2ygws/you_want_to_get_out_heres_a_guide/)

I think this is the best way for me but im scared im going to get sent to a mental hospital or something. Ive seen people go this route and not get sent there but ive also seen people get sent there.

Could someone clarify how this works or the best way to do it please I don't want to be here anymore..


r/regretjoining • • 12d ago

Any women regret joining

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I am a 22-year-old Black woman considering the Navy, Coast Guard, or Air Force, and I want to understand the realities of service. I certainly prefer the reserves if I enlist. I have a bachelor’s degree in psychology and limited job success the past year. I expect the experience to build confidence and direction, alongside benefits like the VA home loan and GI Bill. Looking at 4 or 6 year contract


r/regretjoining • • 12d ago

Really struggling lately

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Sorry I know this is long, I copied this from my r/navy post since I can’t cross post it. PLEASE lend me your thoughts and experiences, it’s so appreciated.

Hello all, I never thought I’d be someone to make a post like this but I strongly feel this community and its relative anonymity can be very helpful.

So the long and short of it is that I’ve been in the navy for a little over 4 years, and while I’ve had lots of good times it has been very rough on me. A while back I reenlisted when things were better but truly ever since then I’ve been doing worse and worse mentally over the years. I recently left my first command for a new OCONUS one and the transition has been pretty terrible.

Before I left the CONUS I definitely had my share of mental health problems, but what I now determine is my position as an older sibling and a leader type person in my old crew I never wanted to be a burden on anyone, to include my friends and significant other, so I kept almost all the issues to myself.

A few months before I transitioned it really dawned on me how sick I actually was, I would wake up sweating and heart pounding, I would go into these sort of neurotic freak outs when nobody was around, some substance abuse that I didn’t view as abuse until recently (no longer a factor), and I was kinda spiraling but doing a good job at keeping it bottled up.

Now I’ve transitioned abroad and I’m simply doing very poorly. I wake up often feeling the same way I used to, I’ll go whole days crying when I get a minute to myself, I’m not able to keep up the relationship I have with my SO or family properly due to the distance and it’s driving my absolutely insane. I care so much more about them so watching it deteriorate despite our attempts to keep it strong hurts the most.

I should mention I’m a healthy guy who is relatively social and in shape, it’s not a matter of bad habits or social isolation. I’ve actually been recommended psychiatric treatment twice by a medical provider at my last command and both times I threw away the paper she gave me with the info and her signature. I guess I was too proud? Idk anymore.

Either way, to put it most simply, I’m ABSOLUTELY certain there is no way I will be able to complete this tour. I’m not asking to get out, I’m not feeling suicidal or like I’m a danger to anyone, but I can see exactly where this is going. I don’t want to get there, I want to bail before that happens, but I truly don’t know if there is any fix that will work aside form getting me in a position to where I can be closer to them. I’ve never been this sad before, I feel like I’m going to explode! Sometimes I fantasize about shooting myself in the shoulder or smoking weed just to get something to happen that will get me back to the mainland.

I don’t want to be this person, I know I can be better! But I don’t think I can do it from here, and I’m terrified that if I go to medical or the chaplain they will either think I’m A: pretending B: just adjusting and need more time. I’m afraid of going in there and being told to just “monitor and deal with it” until I’m actually in a place that I can’t manage.

Hell I had to mute the TV because Regular show made me cry, had to leave the gym early because I was distraught and my heart was racing so I bailed, can’t play the guitar without becoming this mopey mess.

I just feel so cooked, but I feel like any attempt to ask to rotate back will just be seen as “I don’t like it here”. I’m not asking to EAOS early, I just don’t think I’m suitable for this tour like I thought I was.

I’ve gotten a lot of “just tough it out” from my peers, it doesn’t help. I think the combat operations and the work environment from my last boat just fried me and I’m ashamed to admit I’m not as strong as I was. What the hell do I do?

Edit: Years in navy sorry

Ps- it was my SO and one of my coworkers who recommend my seek professional help so I have a therapist now, and while he is great I think given he is not military a lot of my problems are hard to solve, so that why I feel military medical is the next option.


r/regretjoining • • 12d ago

The constant thoughts of wanting to leave but unable to

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Been in for about 2 years and have 2 to go, and I hate it here. I've wanted to leave since I got here, but at this point it seems a little late to not just push through. I have an AFT soon, and I just want to fail it and get kicked out, but I know that process will take long enough to where I might as well just do my time so they dont mess with me. So im just stuck here, wanting out so badly, and still doing things that'll make me stay in. It just mentally messes me up sometimes.

Anyone else just doing your time? how do you get through it 😭


r/regretjoining • • 13d ago

I need help

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hello, I need help to get out of the usmc. I've been battling with this thought for a long time, since mct. Now I'm in my unit and these people think I'm depressed because I'm new and im adjusting but it's because I'm here in the marines. The therapist is just trying to find solutions to the wrong problems. My command thinks it's because I'm away from home and because issue going on back home. I already found solutions to all these problems and it"s me getting out. My mental health has been suffering greatly since I've been In. My sleep is horrible, I lost so much weight and my personal hygiene is not there, I just don't have energy to shower brush my teeth and take care of my self. if y'all can help please let me know.


r/regretjoining • • 15d ago

How accurate is mypay eaos?

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I’m on deployment right now so i can’t check nsips or etj but i swear i signed a 6 year contract in 24 but mypay is telling me my end of term of service is in 28? am i just this lucky?