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u/imnoobatfifa Bruno #8/Rashy #10/Amad #16/Mainoo #37 enjoyer 4h ago
More statements than games won now.
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u/Time-seeker917 4h ago
Or started
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u/crimsonred36 3h ago
Remember the "we're sorry" statements after every shit game around the time Mata was here. I know he used to write some of those, but a whole bunch of other players also did.
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u/CautiousLengthiness8 4h ago
Theyâve agreed not to trigger the extension and let him play out his final year in exchange for an apology and retracting his views. They think this will sweep it under the carpet but the damage has been done. We now know there is unrest in the dressing room and weâre now left to guess who else is looking for the first ticket out of the club
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u/CapVosslar Buckle up, INEOS! It's gonna be a bumpy ride! 1h ago
Right! There is no sweeping this under the rug. With every loss the scrutiny will get harsher.
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u/Downtown-Rice_ 4h ago
The board are still extremely cowardly and still not taking accountability for this shitshow that has started since they publicly fawned over Ashworth, had their wobble on retaining/firing EtH, then firing Ashworth.
Nothing from the club and making sure the player says everything via their personal platform, but the club drafts the statement and sends it public through Lisandro.
Need to keep the pressure on the board and keep calling them out. Glazers are leeches and INEOS/Wilcox are two faced liars who cannot take criticism in private or public without proper accountability.
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u/Piccadil_io 3h ago edited 3h ago
Show us youâre trying. That goes for everyone at the club. Show us, your fans, that you are fucking trying.
Thatâs all I want. If we donât win a title for a few years, I just want to see the players giving their all, and for us to have some positive things to talk about. It feels like every fucking club in the league has more fun than us. Watching a United match is torture.
Just give us a match where we bang five goals in and we can all celebrate. I donât care if we donât win the league. Those days are over for now. The Glazers have seen to that. Iâd just love to watch a United match where we arenât shit and itâs not just depressing.
Imagine being a life-long Brentford or Brighton fan. Yeah youâve followed them in lower leagues, but now look at it. What a fucking dream. They actually get to look forward to watching their team play! We just fucking dread it.
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u/Embarrassed_Wave_720 Braino Fernandes 1h ago edited 1h ago
It feels like every fucking club in the league has more fun than us.
Think Spurs fans would disagree there mate
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u/ryisca 4h ago
There is leverage on all sides, so not surprised this comes out as a unified front to make it clean.
The board/manager aren't in a position to drop him, ironically, due to a lack of reinforcement â De Ligt is just coming back. Can't play 90, hasn't featured. Maguire is out of favor/on the return. And both Heaven and Yoro have their moments, but are also shaky. On top of that, Shaw and our LB problem.
So frankly, punishing him creates a worse situation for Carrick and Wilcox, etc.
On the flip side, if Martinez truly wants to go and wants to end his tenure here, what does he gain by being benched for the rest of the season? Harder to sell him, harder to move on. And one could argue now other clubs worry he is a loose cannon. If he cares about the club as a means to get monetary gain and his own monetary move, he should try and show he is levelheaded as well.
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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss 4h ago
Defeat.
This is probably the lowest I've felt.
The club is in a state of capture, I have no other words to describe it.
The only meaningful course of action I see is widespread and sustained protest.
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u/HaloStar90 3h ago
Bro itâs like every time we reach new lows I am getting so tired of this
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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss 3h ago
Too right. I could make a monthly auto-comment with "this is a new low, mates" and it would be correct 80% of the time I swear
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u/culegflori 42m ago
What the hell were you expecting? Licha beheading all of them and taking over the club?
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u/HorribleOldCunt 3h ago
This is pathetic stuff from our fans on this.
What were you expecting from this? A full on civil war within the club leading to the leadership being overthrown?
He decided to make a statement that bought pressure to the club. Nothing more than that. The pretending this was some amazing stand and that he should be praised for whinging like this amazes me. Us being amazingly shit at the start of this season is not excused because we didn't buy a left back or striker.
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u/BucketsOnly29 2h ago
Youâre just completely missing the point and it makes me sick. This is sustained negligence from up top and his comments put more pressure on that fact than anything else could have or has in years. âA lb or stâ is not all heâs talking about & if you believe that youâre just daft beyond measure. We do not have a squad capable of competing on all fronts, heâs not talking about not signing two players.
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u/botlobbies 2h ago
Do you know how much Manchester Utd have spent on players since Ferguson left? It's not too far off the other big spenders in the prem. It's been misspent on an epic proportion and they are trying not to keep doing that.
By your logic no matter what they spent this season wouldn't have appeased you, crazy statement.
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u/Sorry_Recording2869 1h ago
This was true at some point but clearly not anymore. And also this is not just a post Ferguson thing. When ronaldo left we brought it owen on a free and Valencia:).
You lost a world class player in casemiro and you did not replace him. Let alone upgrade the squad in any way. But the board probably talks about competing for titles inside those contract negotiations. Ofc players are going to get mad
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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss 2h ago edited 2h ago
I reject your framing, friend. We are not going to talk about what I was "expecting".
I reject your choice of words as well, I'll let the mods decide whether calling others pathetic skirts the newly established rules or does not, but either way I find that offensive.
Ive said since the beginning of 2024 that we will need to see the totality of a CL summer window before we can surmize whether the long running budget suppression policies have now been cancelled or not.
Alas, we have entered a new world in my view since September 2nd 11PM: the world in which we now know that the Glazer sons' ambition throttling of the club continues.
Then, on top of that, we have suffered a number of high profile blunders at the hands of the executive, on everything from abusing season ticket holders to a moral and/or competence failure of absurd proportions coming to light.
This has created a situation that has made the position of the executive completely untenable in the eyes of anybody who A) is paying attention B) has the same priorities that we do.
In other words, there were only 2 remaining explanations:
1 the board is not paying attention enough
2 the outcomes produced by the execs align with the vision of the board, ie they do not have the same priorities that supporters do, regardless of PR statements to that effect
The straightforward conclusion was that what we needed was a moment in which the owners would have to show their cards conclusively, ie choosing between Berrada&Wilcox and supporting the squad, in other words: choosing between Berrada&Wilcox and us.
Easy enough to say, but rather hard to envision exactly how that would happen, innit.
And then, as if by magic, what Martinez has said has given us precisely that moment.
So now the board had to make their choice known.
And now they did. Loud and clear.
There is, therefore, no more uncertainty left.
Now it cant be argued with a straight face, imho, that the things that have happened, have been system errors, but rather that they represent what Avram Glazer, Joel Glazer, and Sir Jim Ratcliffe want precisely.
In other words: they arent keeping Berrada & Wilcox on because they dont realise the "damage" they are doing to our cause - they are keeping them on because Berrada & Wilcox are executing faithfully according to the priorities of their cause.
Im not sure which part of the above was not bloody obvious to anybody paying attention, but anyway, now you perhaps understand it better.
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u/MeenaarDiemenZuid Erik was born 2022 years agoâď¸ 2h ago
I didn't read it, but I support your message. đŞ
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u/HorribleOldCunt 10m ago
You've gone crying to the mods because you're offended I think this whole thing is pathetic? Are you being serious?
I reject your justification too.
Forget about whether you think our transfer window was bad or anything to do with the executives. We should still be performing far better than we have shown. There is no excuse for the poor level of performances we have shown.
Martinez threw his toys out the pram because he's been getting correctly criticised for poor performances. Even in our one good performance this season he had a clanger in there. I don't respect his words on this as all he did was bring the entirity of the football media to our door bringing far more pressure.
He doesn't get a pat on the back for pointing out the obvious either. He should focus on not costing us goals every time he plays.
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u/zorn05 4h ago
Pandoras box is open now, so hopefully they cant keep hiding from it anymore and have to do more to get the club back on track
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u/Ok-Bag3000 4h ago
They werenât hiding anything, itâs been pretty obvious to anyone with eyes and ears
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u/swaggerin_buffoonery 4h ago
What an absolute shit show. Licha will leave. We will buy the worlds best defender as his replacement followed by a treble win next year. You heard it here first.
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u/John_OSheas_Willy 3h ago
Martinez to his agent: Go get me my Instagram, I have another post to make
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u/scottrod37 3h ago
Wilcox - "Licha, say you're sorry or you don't play before the transfer window, and good luck getting the move you want from exile. I'm shit at my job as it is and you won't be making it any easier."
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u/Stunning_Ad_9806 4h ago
Essentially now this entire thing was a complete waste of time and energy for everyone lol
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u/ajhjjja123 4h ago
Nah putting out this statement doesnt delete what he previously said from existence. Everyone with minimum 5 working neurons knows this post is kinda forced on Lisandro.
Not like him speaking up was gonna achieve much even if he died on that hill. Years of mediocrity havent sparked improvement in the glazer cunts, one player whose contract is set to expire giving a snarky interview wasnt going to. Still, feels good for someone to finally speak the truth out loud.
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u/Stunning_Ad_9806 3h ago
Speaking the truth out loud means nothing when he immediately apologizes and retracts everything heâs said. Honestly it now looks worse than if heâd never said anything in the first place
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u/DontYouWantMeBebe 3h ago
Them forcing him to do a statement through a pr agency doesn't make a difference imo
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u/SlippinGimmy 3h ago
Maybe, just maybe this has been aired privately from the players who have been hit with promises of improvements as reported and itâs not been reciprocated!
Sometimes going the public route from a player confirms Media and Fan suspicions and now the club has no where to hide, hopefully this is a wake up call to all those sheisters on the board
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u/ClawingDevil 3h ago
This is exactly what I think has happened. There have been reports that Bruno's contract talks stalled from his side cause of a lack of ambition from the club. Don't know how true they are, but it's entirely possibly especially when you see how frustrated he is and there was a diary of a ceo interview as well I think where he said something along those lines.
Then you've got Shaw and Maguire who clearly thought in the summer we were going big.
It has really annoyed me hearing so many, including the Athletic, saying "oh, he should have said it in private first". How the fuck do you know he hasn't? It was "in private". Christ. For all we know loads of players have said this privately and they are all pissed off.
Anyone who has worked anywhere with the kind of hierarchy that United currently has knows all the staff whisper shit about the bosses behind their backs. No way it doesn't happen at football clubs too.
I'm so sick of the Glaziers and Ineos now too. They all just need to fuck off or... I cannot speak or I get in trouble...
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u/r_Yellow01 Shinji Kagawa 2h ago
Judging by this fudge of a statement, he is in the corner, and Glazers think that it's back to the same stingy business. It's typical American corpo shite.
It's unfair to put ambition only on players and managers. We will lose more because any hope is gone now and veteran players stopped playing. After we lose or draw another 4, Wilcox will sack Carrick.
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u/Riverofrhyme 4h ago
Shame. I liked that he didn't apologise in the previous message. There's no winning on or off the pitch.
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u/19ninteen8ightyone 3h ago
I think it probably went like this, you need to apologise, so he put up the earlier post then they said no, you need to apologise then he put up this one.
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u/shami-kebab 4h ago
Well that is going to be rough for those praising him for not backing down.
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u/snicky29 3h ago
Your comment appears very condescending and passive-aggressive towards fans who're supporting Licha instead of Wilcox in this case and I believe it's 99%.
That's how professionals in high-profile jobs act and while I wouldn't have obv wanted him to post the apology, this was always the end to this. I couldn't care less about this because he has already made a statement that no active player has made at our club since Rooney, so that's almost 16 damn years.
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u/MY-NAME_IS_MY-NAME Martinez 4h ago
It was inevitable. He does want to play at the end of the day. I think those with brains now know how him and likely many in the locker room really feel
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u/Kind_Sound7973 1h ago
I think he is gone in January or the Summer at the very latest. This is Romero and the Spurs take two. I doubt we see any passion from him again.
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u/Sheppertonni 3h ago
What you talking about. He said his piece, they talked it out. We move on. Must of been positive talks so Wilcox and co must of made promises. Hopefully the squad start putting some effort in.
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u/BlazeFireHorse76 4h ago
Why?
Man has to earn a living.
He did the right thing by speaking up and did the right thing by patching up.
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u/John_OSheas_Willy 3h ago
We probably threatened we'd trigger the year option on his contract if he didn't apologise
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u/payday_23 Don't hate on Rangnick for players throwing the game away 4h ago
earn a living? He could stop playing football now and will have more money than the average person will make from this moment till they drop dead, and it wont even be close.
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u/Mysterious-Sense-187 3h ago
He clearly didn't do the right thing and he's apologised.
Not matter what you don't throw your team mates and the club under the bus like that.
Completely unprofessional
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u/slick_schmuck there is ice in those veins. 3h ago
Can't we protest against this management and show solidarity with lisandro?
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u/CapVosslar Buckle up, INEOS! It's gonna be a bumpy ride! 1h ago
Yes. Keep demanding more from them.
What we're seeing is not acceptable.Â
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u/MarcusZXR Kinder Mbeumo 2h ago
We've been protesting for nearly two decades, completely ignored but I'm sure the next one will work!
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u/picodeGaius 3h ago
Fuck this club.
Will get spanked against Leeds but at least Wilcoxâ ego is stroked and polished.
Club has to burn from the top down.
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u/calambacle 3h ago
The fact that this public statement exists is the reason Manutd will keep failing. Always try to be professional, commercial and formal, extra safe for sponsor eyes without real football progress. Just swallow this in the stomach and show intensity for the rest of the season. Also replace Dalot and Rashford with signings this winter. How about that cowards.
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u/achickenandacow 4h ago
This whole situation might have saved Carrickâs job for now. I was fully convinced he would be gone if we lost the Leeds game, but Iâm not sure now.
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u/nearly_headless_nic 4h ago
Lisandro Martinez via Instagram
âToday I met with the club's leadership and the manager. It was a very positive conversation, where we were able to exchange views and speak openly about what happened after Tuesday's game.
Everyone knows that I am a passionate person and that I live football with great intensity.
The frustration of the defeat led me to express how I felt at a time and place that perhaps were not the right ones, and for that I want to apologise.
Our club is at its best when we are all united, and I recognise that my words in that moment did not help with that.
I know that every single person at Manchester United is doing everything possible to achieve our shared ambition: bringing the success that this club and its supporters deserve.
With this situation now behind us, we are fully focused on winning together.â
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u/Former-Addendum9671 3h ago
Can't believe i got downvoted in another sub for saying lets put this behind us, everyone do their jobs and focus on the Leeds match.
Do some fans not want that? Do they want there to be drama and chaos at the club making it a high suspense drama week in week out? Think about the damage that will do.
Im sure views were exchanged and the higher ups have taken what he said on board. Lets all be proffessional about this and move on.
We are Manchester United for goodness sakes not TMZ
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u/Cantona-Eric-7 1h ago
So just keep quiet and suck it up? Not a chance we need an uprising. The club is rotten from the core and the fans need to be more vocal and making it clear itâs not acceptable. That said fan power doesnât seem to mean too much these days.
Personally, I donât wanna keep watching this drivel week in and week out. Weâre a complete laughing stock. Maybe whatâs good for us in the long-term is some further pain, particularly in the owners pockets.
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u/MarcusZXR Kinder Mbeumo 2h ago
There will be drama and chaos at this club for as long as it remains Manchester United and the media is the media. Its a victim of its own success.
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u/everythingscatter 3h ago
Everyone has been putting things behind us, doing their jobs and focusing on the next match without publicly calling out the club hierarchy every week for the past 13 years.
And where has it got us? Over a billion pounds in debt. Unable or unwilling to compete to secure all our first choice targets in the transfer market. No meaningful title challenge in a generation. Two games won out of nine so far this season.
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u/Gee_z 3h ago
Not sure what people wanted him to do in this moment, tell Wilcox and Berrada to suck on it? He's not gonna retire tomorrow and he's done more than what anyone could've asked of him.
He opened an discussion that we've longed for.
In the end, he's a worker and he wants to get paid by the company that's hired him.
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u/GavinLobo7 3h ago
Someone made #BossCalls lmao
But honestly fair play to him for even speaking out and standing his ground till now in the first place
And regardless, Wilcox has to go.
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u/MeenaarDiemenZuid Erik was born 2022 years agoâď¸ 2h ago
I want a statement from Wilcox. This is just containment..
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u/amitreitu 1h ago
Why is Carrick being involved in senior leadership meetings when
He hasnât decided what players were signed
Heâs effectively only a head coach
And will probably be sacked in coming weeks đĽ˛
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u/CapVosslar Buckle up, INEOS! It's gonna be a bumpy ride! 1h ago
Well, they set him straight.Â
Great! No more delays and we can return to the downward spiral that is this Club.
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u/houdini996 47m ago
Met with the clubs leadership
Got told no one can criticise the suits
If you donât retract what you said you will be fucked off regardless of your worth to the team the suits are made men
I retracted what I said because I want to play here
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u/Ok_Dot525 4h ago
If he gets a contract after this i will lose respect for him forever. But if he leverage this for a move elsewhere to save himself from this shit club then that ok. Did not need to apologise, but i guess if he get to leave its better for him.
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u/yobyshy 3h ago
honestly I don't understand what people want the owners to do. we have no money. the glazers' mismanagement + a decade of bad transfer market manouvering have caught up to us. do people not remember how surprised we were that we had the money to buy santos, tielemans, and baleba?
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u/mav_sand 3h ago
Wow.
Ok. Firstly glazers, I want them to leave our club. INEOS, I want them to stop saying the plan is to win the PL title and then spend nothing.
No one was surprised we spent 150 on 3 midfielders. I'm actually surprised we didn't spend more when you can clearly see the problem. If you can't spend, you have to scout and buy youngsters.
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u/John_OSheas_Willy 3h ago
Said it from the start. Completely wrong to do what he did.
Look where it's got us. An even bigger laughing stock!
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u/Mysterious-Sense-187 3h ago
Great now this sub can't wank itself to death. Martinez was wrong despite how you feel about the club.
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u/PrimeDirectiveLover 3h ago
Argentinian "passion" really is just being a whiny cunt, isn't it. How their footballers carried themselves in the world cup was disgraceful.
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u/D1794 Viva Ronaldo 4h ago
'You're getting fined and we want an apology on instagram or you'll never play for us again'