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u/Reasonable_Bit_959 7h ago

Yep, Trump is a traitor to humanity. He needs to be removed from office, impeached, tried and punished along with his crime family.

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u/Oleeddie 7h ago edited 6h ago

This is very far from being just about Trump. It's about America which elected him twice and which doesn't get rid of him. Everybody's going to pay for this just like german nazis and non-nazis alike were made to pay for Hitler and Germanys wrongs.

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u/TaterForming 7h ago edited 7h ago

Depending on how you tally it, it could be a few thousand, or just a few hundred, but overall Not a lot of Nazi's "paid" for the wrongs.

Sure Germany as a country paid and at least the second time around they decided to help rebuild and make sure it didn't happen again.

People hold up Nuremberg but only 180 of them were convicted.

ETA: I'm not trying to diminish the impacts of the Nuremberg Trials. They were significant, but they also where this rolling the NAZI's in by the trainload and trying them.

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u/tehwagn3r 7h ago

Now, it's obviously true that most war crimes of WW2 never lead to convictions, but the number of convicted at the Nürnberg trials doesn't really reflect the reality very well.

Nürnberg trials were for the Nazi leaders and other high profile people. That wasn't where ordinary soldiers charged with war crimes we're ever tried.

Tens of thousands of Nazi war criminals and collaborators were convicted elsewhere across various Allied, German, and international tribunals after the WW2. The riff-raff just didn't go to trial where the important people did.

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u/Bronsonkills 7h ago

Nuremberg was important but it ultimately was a show trial. I’ve fluctuated on the matter but in the end I think the Russians were right when they stated the allies just should have summarily executed them.

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u/TaterForming 7h ago

I tend to agree as I've also had that same reconsideration for Reconstruction.

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u/OriginalChildBomb 5h ago

Yeah, I think their supporters needed the horror of seeing a bunch of dead bodies of people that were 'just following orders.' I think they needed the social shame and stigma. Quick, brutal, and final. With zero tolerance for any excuses.

There was too much sweeping up of all the consequences, and trying to repair rifts, and not enough focus on making sure that these kinds of ideas and actions were torn out, root and stem. So fascism was allowed to continue festering, with people meeting behind closed doors, biding their time until they could make a more open return. And now we have the richest man on Earth doing Sig Heils at a fucking U.S. Presidential event.

Things like shame and humiliation are powerful psychological tools that can shape the way someone behaves, and sees themselves. There needed to be severe and swift consequences for the bastards. Especially the fucking Nazis and their ilk.

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u/AdmiralCrackbar 2h ago

It's been 80 years since WW2, the reality is that no matter how good a job you did weeding the garden in that much time the weeds are going to grow back. You need to keep on top of it and, unfortunately, the world got complacent.

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u/Oleeddie 7h ago

I was thinking about how the allies felt no need to distinguish between the good and the bad when bombarding entire cities and how Germany after the war e.g. was only allowed a very limited military. There would be no need for this if the enemy merely was the now dead or prosecuted Hitler and the nazi elite. Trump isn't just one rotten apple in an otherwise pristine bowl of fresh fruit.

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u/TaterForming 7h ago

I was thinking about how the allies felt no need to distinguish between the good and the bad when bombarding entire cities and how Germany after the war e.g. was only allowed a very limited military. There would be no need for this if the enemy merely was the now dead or prosecuted Hitler and the nazi elite.

While I get that sentiment and share it to a degree, I think the Allies also had a hard-ish decision because they actually had the hindsight of 20/20. Just prosecuting/killing Hitler (he did everyone a favor) and their elite MIGHT have worked, but it also had an equal chance of martydom and then you end up with another guy that stirs the masses up against the allies.

I think the Allies had good enough sense to know "Let's focus on not turning the citizens into future fighters by helping make their lives better and rebuild.". We did the same for the Japanese.

The problem with eliminating people that caused the shit is you don't necessarily eliminate the ideas they had so you're better off reducing the conditions that caused the ideas to flourish.

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u/syynapt1k 6h ago

Exactly this. Trying to eradicate an idealogy is a fool's errand and will eventually backfire. You have to address the root cause of people's grievances, which in the case of the US is twofold: an accelerating decease in the standard of living (due to income inequality) - and a misunderstanding of who is to blame for that (due to disinformation & propaganda).

The people at the top must certainly be held accountable via the justice system, but the population as a whole will suffer in other ways. They have to lay in the bed they made - the hardships of which will take decades (or even generations) to clean up.

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u/Pusi_Cunu 2h ago

Most Americans are too fucking ignorant to realize that.

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u/PlasticStJesus 1h ago edited 1h ago

MAGAts bitch constantly about the "waste, fraud, and abuse" of the Federal government. What they don't realize is that the federal government worked well enough that they had to invent conspiracies in order to feel they were justified in their hatred. They had the spare money and spare time to travel in huge groups to the Capitol on January 6th. The entertainment they want is not available to them, so they try to take down the entertainment that others enjoy. They literally spend effort to change the kinds of leisure they want just to prevent others from enjoying it. America is a victim of its own success. The more we had, the more they demanded to have... And the less they cared whether the shit they bitched about was even real!

We are collectively the fattest, dumbest, most intellectually lazy society in world history. We are like yeast fermenting- poisoning our atmosphere and getting drunk off our own waste until we poison ourselves to extinction. The only upside is the the world will be better off when we have spent our last nickel and cannot threaten other countries any longer. I just hope we (metaphorically) implode soon. All I can do is apologize to the rest of the world who we encouraged to depend on us. We promised them loyalty, protection and justice. Then we stabbed them in the collective back when their guard was down. America may have never lived up to the hype it lavished on itself, but who could have imagined we would become such a malignant cancer to the rest of the world? I would have never brought children into this world if I knew they would have no future- and that our own government would be responsible for it. I really need to go apologize to them too.

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u/DrEzechiel 6h ago

Correct. And there are still people who refuse to accept responsibility. Who claim the election was rigged. Or blame Trump's election on Kamala

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u/robpensley 4h ago

Muskrat helped him "win" in 2024.

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u/cbass817 7h ago

We will never see justice for Trump. Even if he is arrested and sent to prison the moment he steps out of office, he will have gotten away with so much crime, misery, and suffering for 80+ years. The only thing that would do almost any justice is if all his assets were seized and his name was erased from everything, but that will never happen.

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u/awesome404 7h ago

I’d like to think that anything remaining with his name on it will be defaced after he does.

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u/DefenstratedTwice 7h ago

And the vast number of fellow traitors that will survive him.

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u/darth_wasabi Texas 6h ago

Follow the money though. The people that run this world have gotten insanely rich while Trump has been president.

Where you see a monster they see the greatest president in history 

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u/TubercuLicious-OO- 7h ago

Heard the most horrifying theory on Pod Save America today about what part of Putin's gambit might be. Putin devastates energy infrastructure in Ukraine going into the winter (Trump considers Russia's refineries to be off limits but not Ukrainian power plants, maybe). Ukraine becomes unlivable in the winter leading 10s of thousands or more of Ukrainian refugees to flood into Europe just as Europe is going into elections. The far-right (pro-Russia?) factions are swept into power across Europe in reaction to the Ukrainian refugee crisis and aligns with Putin or at least abandons efforts to constrain him.

Hard to imagine more of a horror story than that.

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u/Al-Khwarizmi 4h ago

Most EU countries have been quite fine with Ukrainian refugees. In my own city, I don't know anyone who opposes them, even among far right voters. It's primarily Muslim immigration that drives the rise of the far right.

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u/From_Graves 7h ago

Trump is wanting to be Czar Nicholas the II

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u/Memerandom_ 7h ago

He and his family deserve the same fate.

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u/shupadupah 7h ago

Using Kegsbreath logic, it would be live streamed.

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u/Brix106 Florida 7h ago

Does that make Miller Rasputin?

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u/From_Graves 7h ago

Miller or Voss

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u/WutIzLuv 6h ago

Tell that to the Americans

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u/yasifus 5h ago

What needs to happen is something reddit wont allow me to say, because reddit protects pedophiles and nazis

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u/chubs66 7h ago

the betrayal started a long time ago (Impeachment 1) when Trump tried to extort Zelensky for congressionally approved aid.

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u/TheTelegraph The Telegraph 7h ago

The Telegraph reports:

Volodymyr Zelensky has said that he feels betrayed by Donald Trump, and warned the US president was not acting on the “right side of history”.

“It is a pity that we are losing a strong partner,” the Ukrainian leader said on Wednesday amid an escalating public clash with his American counterpart.

Relations between Kyiv and the White House have sharply deteriorated after Mr Trump agreed on Friday to waive sanctions on Russia to import diesel.

The US president has been pressuring Ukraine to halt its strikes on Russian oil refineries, blaming Kyiv – not the Iran war – for rising energy prices. On Saturday he said Ukraine needed “a new president”.

Full story: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/10/14/zelensky-i-feel-betrayed-by-trump/

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u/brug76 6h ago

America needs a new president not Ukraine

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u/Confident-Virus-1273 Virginia 7h ago

We all do Bro.

We all do.

I feel betrayed by my own govt, my neighbors, and basically everyone else.

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u/LuffyIsBlack 7h ago

I don't feel betrayed by him. Not one bit. I feel betrayed by the people that voted by him. They decided he was the best for them even if he was the worst for every single other person on this planet.

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u/ktatsanon 7h ago

He's the worst for them as well, they're just too stupid to realize it.

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u/Jarsky2 7h ago

Betrayal implies I ever trusted the wretched little pervert.

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u/BarkerBarkhan 7h ago

I never trusted Trump, but I did have hope that the same country that elected Obama and Biden would do the right thing and say no to fascism. But, alas, "he's a businessman, he'll run this country like a business."

Y'all, you don't even understand how businesses work. They are not for the worker or the consumer; they are for the capitalist, they are for profit.

Like... did people just shove 1/6 down the memory hole, along with everything else that happened during COVID?

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u/YoshiKnees2 5h ago

Yes, they did. The CIAs of the world is all about gaming their citizens and taking advantage of what seems as a normal response to things.

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u/AFlockOfTySegalls North Carolina 7h ago

Yeah, if you ever expected Trump to be anything more than he has been, that's on you. He has been very predictable.

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u/Velvet-Temptress 7h ago

Watching Washington pivot to cut deals with Moscow makes total betrayal the only realistic reaction left.

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u/Zulmoka531 7h ago

Ironically after they tried red scare 2.0.

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u/nicklovin508 7h ago

Not all. Betrayal means I didn’t see it coming. A lot of us knew he’d side with his daddy Putin and Xi

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u/HillbillyMan 7h ago

I still feel betrayed by all the people that let this happen

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u/mnemy 6h ago

Trump was glazing Putin and other dictators in the 2016 campaign.

The betrayal is our countrymen. Our neighbors, our politicians, our courts, and all the corporate money poured into elections and bribes.

Trump was obvious in his lies. I don't see his actions as a betrayal, just executing on what a reasonable person could expect such a deranged self center absolute piece of shit would do.

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u/Confident-Virus-1273 Virginia 6h ago

Hence why I included them.

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u/robotdesignwerks Texas 7h ago

Yup. Line starts here...

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u/reddittorbrigade 7h ago

Trump is a traitor. He works for Putin.

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u/GreatGojira 7h ago

More like he's Putin's bitch

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u/Happy-Evening-Sun 7h ago

More like he's Putin's little bitch

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u/Steel-Tempered 7h ago

Trump betrayed his current wife twice (that we know of), and who knows how many times he cheated on his previous wives. Why would anyone trust or put any faith on that asshole? He's a filthy Russian puppet.

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u/Front-Beat1575 7h ago

donald cannot be trusted, and thanks to him and his legion of enablers neither can the US

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u/YakBum 7h ago

Betrayed? The first thing Trump did to Zelensky was try to extort him and was impeached for it. He has always been their enemy. It's shitty and devestating, but betrayal implies Trump was on their side at some point. He never was.

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u/Better_Dig_768 7h ago

In normal times a president would be impeached and removed for this, here we are number ... I've lost count.

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u/Black_Otter 7h ago

“Welcome to the party pal” - John McClane

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u/Embarrassed-Crazy112 Georgia 7h ago

I hate how he has to play dumb. Wish he didn't have to. Don't know why he has to at this point.

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u/Dan-Fletcher 7h ago

We all do, too.

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u/LucidOndine 7h ago

Keep destroying Yandex data centers, Zelenskyy! Americans are witnessing just how much better the world is without manufactured consent through the use of industrialized trolls.

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u/CodexMoronicus 7h ago

Did he think he could trust him?

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u/Julian_Thorne Minnesota 7h ago

Maybe he needed to act as if he could trust him

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u/googleduck 6h ago

He didn't, he isn't an idiot. But he knows like everyone else does that Trump is extremely susceptible to flattery and massaging his ego. So for the good of his country he has been appeasing Trump in an effort to improve their chances of winning the war. I think this is just the final breaking point where it is clear there is no benefit to continuing to try, Trump has openly chosen his side now.

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u/tootapple 7h ago

United States of Russia

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u/Ornery-Ticket834 7h ago

You shouldn’t feel betrayed. Trump has always been a Russian puppet.

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u/captstinkybutt Texas 7h ago

Krasnov has never been on the side of Ukraine

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u/Leather_Force_9419 7h ago

Is this the line? once crossed that will finally get America's to actually sacrifice and save/take their country? , No? Then what is? What changes " I have work tomorrow so i couldnt possibly..." into actually taking action! To be clear, im talking about countrywide strikes, cancelling all subscriptions, etc Trump n Republicans are a symptom, they must go for the head of the snake, shut down the economy, hurt the billionaires

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u/mediocre_remnants North Carolina 7h ago

Nobody is going to go on strike because of a war halfway around the world.

People will go on strike when they can't afford to buy food and that's pretty much it.

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u/Angelworks42 Oregon 2h ago

I see this in every post lately - help me out - what should I do? I walk outside my apartment what do I do next? To fix starlink? To fix trump? Should I walk down to the gun store? (its nearby!).

I know in smaller countries it can be a 4-10 hour drive to their counties capital - assuming I have pretty much no money how do I cross the 2500+ miles to protest?

I think the reason I can't quit my job is I might not get another one with ageism in recruiting - so what next? financially I'm just barely making it here and I know a fair amount of Americans who are in this boat.

I think if you asked where the line is - once we loose our place to live and means of income is the line.

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u/nellyfullauto 7h ago

I promise the straw that broke the camel’s back for Americans at large won’t be “the leader of a foreign country on another continent feels betrayed.”

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u/redditismylawyer 6h ago

Remind me, what line had to be crossed for germans in the late 1930s, early 1940s? What was the german people's "nope, this is crazy bullshit and we're not going to take it" line?

Oh that's right, they didn't have one. Most germans were well aware of their nation's behavior and thought it was absolutely splendid - right until it blew up in their stupid fucking face.

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u/BigAngle7114 6h ago

Most Germans didn't have a literal textbook example of pluralistic Western constitutional democracy falling to fascism that every single citizen without exception learned about in school.

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u/AcrobaticWrangler330 5h ago

There’s a reason the GOP has spent years gutting education while trying to convince kids (primarily boys) that being educated is lame, or, even worse- for girls!

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u/Leather_Force_9419 6h ago

Im assuming this is to mean there isnt a line? 

Thats kind of my point

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u/PantheraAuroris 5h ago

Human beings make decisions based on what they believe will give themselves the best outcome. If the choice is between "fight, and I believe I will lose things from my life without accomplishing anything" and "keep my head down," everyone will keep their head down who can't afford to lose their job/family/friends/etc. If it's "fight or die," people will fight.

Part of this comparison has to give. Either you get people to trust that they won't lose their livelihood, or you get people to believe they'll suffer even more if they don't fight.

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u/AngryPurpl3 6h ago

Dude Republicuckolds have been saying since 2023-2024 that they'd rather vote Putin in as President than Kamala Harris lol

The GOP has been pro-russia since 2012

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u/Theferael_me Europe 7h ago

Most Americans couldn't find their own ass with both hands let alone Ukraine on a map. The only thing that might cause a moment of irritation is paying higher prices for gas and groceries. That's it.

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u/badasimo 7h ago

Ukraine was my #1 issue in 2024. Trump could mess up many things but Ukraine is a tipping point that we can not come back from. I have not met even one person who treated it even with nearly as much importance.

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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 7h ago

losing Ukraine as an ally puts the e US and NATO allies at immense risk. what Trump has done and continues to do is unforgivable.

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u/TheLurkerSpeaks Tennessee 7h ago

Same here. If I bring it up in conversation people look at me like I'm talking about something that happened a long, long time ago. It doesn't exist within America's current cultural awareness. That's because the billionaires bought up all the media.

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u/IM_KYLE_AMA 7h ago

What you're talking about is a fantasy. There us no universe where a general strike happens in the US.

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u/FormerUsenetUser 7h ago

Overpopulation, offshoring, and automation mean employers could replace most of their employees the next day. And people desperate for jobs would take the jobs. A general strike would have very little effect.

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u/FantasticJacket7 6h ago

I promise you that the "line", whatever that may be, will have nothing to do with foreign aid or assistance.

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u/eorlingas_riders 7h ago

I hate Trump and everything he stands for, and I blame every Republican from Congress down to the individuals for where we are today…

But, our govt systems regardless of how shitty they might be, are not completely broken.

And as far as we are aware, there are still free elections. Yeah, America picked Trump, we fucked up and it’s caused a lot of pain here and across the globe, but some of his actions are legal even if they are taking advantage of the letter of the law.

We have an election in less than a month, that will decide the power of one of the coequal branches of the govt that can check the power of the president and potentially reign in his more globally impacting actions.

That is how our govt functions.

So, people aren’t going to do anything until after this election because that’s our first tool before drastic measures. If the election is tampered with by Trump, Congressmen not seated, or other such things, then you may see calls to action… but not before.

Because their is no advantage to doing it before the election.

For other countries who hate what we’re doing, petition your own govt to cut ties, protest your own leaders to take a harder stance against America. You are your own sovereign countries and don’t have to wait for America to take action. Do it yourself, and we’ll try on our side as well the way we know how.

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u/DrEzechiel 6h ago

The fact that Trumo can operate without checks and balances, even legally, as you rightly say just shows what a deeply flawed country the USA is. We have been taught to appreciate the exceptional origin story etc etc. And it can't stop a tyrant. There will be a generation or two at least which will never look at the US the same again.

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u/honjuden 7h ago

Over Ukraine?  Probably not.  If some fuckery happens with the elections in a couple weeks, then who knows?

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u/ChancelorReed 2h ago

Why would the line possibly ever be foreign policy related? I fully support Ukraine and think what Trump and republicans have done with the issue is disgusting but why would you ever think mass action was going to be attached to a war we're not even directly involved in?

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u/sododude 7h ago

This isn't gonna happen until people start to feel their goodies going away. McDonalds, Netflix, Amazon etc.

The American people have been tamed by consumerism.

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u/BadAtExisting I voted 6h ago

Even then Americans can’t be fucked. They don’t care enough to lift a finger beyond to say “I didn’t vote for this” when they’re lumped in together. I’d be willing to bet the majority of those people weren’t even fucked to vote at all in 2024 and we all know those assholes think they have some moral high ground when all they did was fuck everyone. I blame them more than MAGA at this juncture. Fuck those guys. Bring my downvotes

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u/kelpyb1 6h ago

Welcome to why conservatives spent decades gutting unions. The only protection from losing your job is if so many people walk out that companies actually can’t fire everyone. The only way to accomplish that is through organization.

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u/FormerUsenetUser 7h ago

I am not really seeing how ending my subscription to Scientific American magazine, or Netflix streaming, would do anything useful at all.

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u/Ibeepboobarpincsharp 7h ago

I think there's still at least a modicum of hope (warranted or not) that we still have a little piece of democracy left and can fix the existing system by voting, etc. Also, I think most of us are afraid of American police who will kill without thought or consequence.

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u/Leather_Force_9419 7h ago

The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it.

I hope voting works,  they are completely rigging it,  n I hope you all overcome it.

The issue i see there, is even if the democratic party win, will they actually do what needs to be done? 

I honestly think until you hurt the billionaires massively, then you're still in the same boiling water, just at a lower temp

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u/Diarrhea_Beaver 6h ago

if the democratic party win, will they actually do what needs to be done? 

Thats a big no for me dawg.

Over the kast 10+ years, we've learned a ton of unfortunate things regarding our so called checks and ballances and their over reliance on the opposition or minority party's ability to enforce ANY sort of consequence for running the executive branch unilaterally as a dictatorship, but one if the wirst developments was that while some democrats seemingly "can't" do anything to fight a fascist takeover, even more of them sinply won't.

Theres a ton of self serving reasons as to why, but when all is said and done, it turns out politicians on both sides of the asile are only marginally more willing to criminally prosecute the criminal actions of their colleagues than American cops are.

So, yeah, in laymans terms, theyre gonna do absolute fuck all as far as punishing those responsible for attempting to install a full blown fascist dictator who previously led an attempted coup.

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u/R3cognizer Maryland 4h ago

You said it yourself, a lot of us Americans think both sides are bad, and of course they do. So many of us are either too ignorant to notice or too privileged to care that one side is clearly far, FAR worse than the other and cast their votes accordingly. I get it, the Democrats don't have strong leadership and leave a lot to be desired, but that's not an excuse to just allow the party of fascism to turn this country into a dictatorship. I can only hope that the economic pain we're currently experiencing taught enough people a lesson to take more personal responsibility for their votes.

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u/gizzardgullet Michigan 7h ago

But that's the point, Americans do nothing, Trump helps Russia, Russia wins. Americans revolt, the US is sidelined by a civil war and falls off the world stage (akin to the fall of the USSR), Russia wins (this is what Putin wants more than anything).

Most Americans want this to end but also don't want to tear up the Constitution.

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u/DebentureThyme 6h ago

No, this isn't the line, because too many Americans unfortunately don't care in the slightest about Ukraine or even Europe for that matter.

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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 6h ago

If COVID didn't hurt them and made them 200x wealthy why do you think not working in the office for a few days will make a difference? If a million people protesting saying they didn't want a King didn't work, what would this do? You gotta freaking make sure you're registered to vote and go do it! That's it. Or run yourself like other amazingly brave people have done. Change will only come from within. Gotta overturn Citizens United and this pay to play executive branch.

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u/stupid_pun 5h ago

"Political scientist Erica Chenoweth's research at Harvard University demonstrates that no modern government has withstood a nonviolent mobilization that engaged 3.5% of its population during a peak event. In the United States, this threshold translates to roughly 11.5 to 12 million active participants."

If even 5% of us went on strike for a few days to a week, it would bring them to their knees.

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u/Leather_Force_9419 5h ago

While I dont believe your going to vote your way out of fascism,  yes vote, get everyone you know to vote.

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u/Skiinz19 Tennessee 6h ago edited 6h ago

it's rooted in trump's narcissistic personality disorder and he gets his narcissistic supply from putin while zelenskyy disgusts him with his lack of suit and scruffy beard and his small stature (never mind that putin is actually small as well, trump loves how he's taller than putin so putin being small is a positive for trump).

vlad vexler discusses it more here

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u/Sandy_Bananas 5h ago

He gargles Bibi and Isreal too hard for the antisemitism accusations to stick.

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u/Precious_Tritium New York 7h ago

Can anyone name one person Trump has not betrayed? Legitimately interested.

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u/honjuden 6h ago

Netanyahu so far.

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u/Main-Water4503 5h ago

Also Putin

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u/bobstylesnum1 7h ago

Trump is a Russian asset and Putin’s little puppet.

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u/reddah 1h ago

First time?

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u/DavidBehave01 7h ago

It's difficult to feel betrayed by someone who was never on your side in the first place.

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u/Repulsive_Note_4209 7h ago

The only people who don’t feel betrayed by Trump are billionaires

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u/Goshawk5 Missouri 7h ago

I mean, we all saw that coming, right?

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u/BooBoolaRoo42 7h ago

He was betrayed by Trump

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u/RandyArgonianButler 7h ago

You and me both, brother.

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u/jisforjoe 7h ago

Too many of us refuse to believe he’s made us the bad guy on the world stage.

WE ARE THE VILLAINS.

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u/Vhentis Texas 7h ago

Why would he think Trump was trust worthy?

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u/PontyPandy 7h ago

Should he have expected anything different? I would think that most of the people that have dealt with Trump feel betrayed.

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u/Quantum_Crusher 6h ago

No king movement doesn't do shit if we don't have a nationwide strike.

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u/Different-Pin-9854 6h ago

Don’t we all? Seriously, Trump doesn’t care about Ukraine, sadly.

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u/BruceWillis24 2h ago

Trump is a traitor to world peace.

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u/A_Nonny_Muse 6h ago

According to Webster, the definition of betrayal (in this context) requires some sort of trust or confidence.

Which begs the question: why did Zelinsky have any trust in trump at all? You can't be betrayed if there is no trust or confidence.

Trump cannot betray me. I have come to expect the dirtiest, lowdown underhanded perversions his tiny little mind can possibly imagine. Him showing any sign of vestigial morality or ethics would be extraordinary.

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u/Cellophane7 4h ago

I don't get the impression he ever trusted trump. Even if he did at one point, that pwease and thank you suit bullshit in the WH could not have allowed him to maintain it. 

I assume he's just at the point where he can't really work trump anymore. Orange man said Ukraine needs a new president, and has lifted Russian sanctions for basically free, so that bridge seems burnt. Most he can do is push the people who care about Ukraine to vote against Republicans

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u/omerome83 7h ago

Me: I feel betrayed by all those who have wrapped their entire identity of being "patriotic", when it was just a big facade.

All those who support this regime are the true traitors.

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u/seb21051 7h ago edited 7h ago

Unfortunately he and his country are dependent on an "ally" for mobile internet service and strategically vital information, whose leader has only their own political survival as objective.

The issue in Ukraine is geopolitical interference, with Trump not wanting to upset Putin generally and with the diesel supply contract in particular because he's trying to soften the impact of fuel prices on the midterms for the GOP. It is to expected that Trump will try to prevent any Ukrainian attacks on Russia, he's dependent on the diesel supply contract.

The actual network in play there is Starshield not Starlink, upon which it is based, a Government Defense ISP constellation supplied by Spacex. The Government has contractual control over Musk as regards Starshield. He has to obey their instructions, the Gov paid for that service so they could control its usage.

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u/BRD73 7h ago

Doesn’t just about everyone?

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u/ckellingc Missouri 7h ago

Most Americans agree with this sentiment

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u/BUSYMONEY_02 7h ago

YES bro we are with you!

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u/Aiwendil-981 7h ago

Don't we all

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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 7h ago

Donald has ordered America to turn its back on Ukraine and Palestine and forfeited US strength in the world stage

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u/Memerandom_ 7h ago

Seriously? Did he forget why tRump was impeached the first time? tRump is an absolute narcissist. He will sacrifice literally anyone to save himself, or just to save face.

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u/galacticracedonkey 7h ago

Same bro, same.

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u/WitheredTechnology 7h ago

Same bro, same

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u/GiddyGabby 7h ago

Won’t be the last time.

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u/JohnnyWeapon 7h ago

Seems to be a lot of that going around.

Of course some of us have seen him for what he is all along. It’s really not hard if you just… open your eyes and ears. He shows himself and tells you who he is daily.

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u/gc3 7h ago

Join the club

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u/Far-Lawfulness-6989 7h ago

Trump would sell his kids if it got him a little extra money.

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u/joe_dirty365 7h ago

Hard to feel betrayed when he was always a pos/Russian agent. Hopefully some Republicans find their spine and oppose trumps attempts to save Putin/Russia.

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u/mojorific 7h ago

What is worse is that he hides behind the facade that he is for Christian values. He was a democrat until he learned he could do better as a crooked republican.

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u/nonubiz 7h ago

Join the 95% of America we feel the same way

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u/pchs26 7h ago

So I guess now Trump and co are sick of playing any pretense now of being any thing other then with Putin. I would presume Zelensky knew at some point this was coming and is hopefully playing possum, while hopefully the US manages to still stay stable somehow.

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u/sodapopkevin 6h ago

I mean Trump has been trying to fuck with Zelensky for the past 7-8 years (maybe more?), this is pretty unsurprising.

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u/SubmissiveDinosaur 5h ago

The moment they mocked him for not wearing a suit I knew this couldn't end good for Ukraine. Having your countrie's fate in hands of a pedo is frustrating and infuriating

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u/MorgulKnifeFight 1h ago

It’s moments like these where I truly say I am ashamed to be an American.

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u/Careful-Rent5779 7h ago

So do about 120 million Americans, welcome to the club.

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u/danappropriate 7h ago

If Trump never supported you, is it really a betrayal?

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u/UncleCoyote 7h ago

Don't we all big guy. Don't we all.

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 7h ago

I mean I never voted for him or believed he was a man of his word or even competent but yea, I also feel betrayed by his orange ass.

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u/Throwaway0242000 7h ago

Trump said Americans should be ok with a little pain bc of how important it was to disarm Iran and then as soon as he saw the poles changed his mind.

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u/byndrsn 7h ago

you now know what it feels to be an American.

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u/Standard-Contest-949 7h ago

It should have been “I have been betrayed by Trump”

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u/trash-juice Virginia 7h ago

You are now one of us sir, always betrayed by our admin

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u/TheThirdStrike 7h ago

Said anyone that has every worked closely with him.

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u/JDnUkiah 7h ago

We all have been, but his country is paying such a dear price.

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u/ClownholeContingency America 7h ago

Join the club buddy

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u/Top_Standard_4369 7h ago

Just like the rest of us.

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u/QuoriTyler 7h ago

How? He made it extremely clear he was the worst thing that could happen to mankind. He did exactly what he promised. Wtf are these people missing

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u/fancygamerboi 7h ago

Welcome to the club.

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u/v-komodoensis 7h ago

Damn, who knew, huh? (Everyone)

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u/gergek 7h ago

You and me both.

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u/Swamp_Dwarf-021 7h ago

Get in line.

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u/Decent-Canary1320 7h ago

And , who wouldn't? Already, it's been well established that MAGA media influencers ( Glenn Beck ) had there base believing that President Bidens military aid to Ukraine was a stepping stone " US troops on the ground ". Having personally witnessed Trump supporters in 2020 waving and selling Russian flags at Trump rallies , l can tell you the favoritism for Putin among MAGA people was once quite present. Safe to say , the mainstream media hasn't done a sufficient job of holding Trumps promise of peace between Ukraine and Russia within 24 hours after reelection.

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u/Middle_Scratch4129 7h ago

I don't - knew he was a scumbag POS from the start.

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u/nailheadchamber 7h ago

Get in line.

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u/Spark99 7h ago

Canada here 🇨🇦 We aren’t too impressed either!

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u/CalmBeneathCastles 7h ago

Voloddy breaking out the "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed" stance. XD Lord knows Donny needed a dad that was worth a damn...

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u/Odaniel123 7h ago

Because he was

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u/SmartWonderWoman California 7h ago

I feel betrayed by Trump, too. Vote blue 💙

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u/badgersoccer1905 7h ago

Welcome to the club.

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u/Rich_Celebration477 6h ago

Shocking…

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u/veryboredatwork 6h ago

The whole world’s been betrayed by Trump.

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u/470vinyl 6h ago

Gotta pay him off more.

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u/RandomHuman29454 6h ago

Everybody does, brother. Everybody.

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u/Churchbushonk 6h ago

Well, join the club.

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u/Imhere4thejokes 6h ago

He’s no fool, he never trusted trump, he’s playing chess not checkers and hoping his words can sway the upcoming elections.

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u/CowPrestigious8447 6h ago

Welcome to the club, pal.

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u/Velvetrose-2 Georgia 6h ago

Don't we all

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u/Overall_Curve6725 6h ago

Surprise 😆 Trump betrays EVERYONE!

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u/ocwilly 6h ago

Americans and the entire free world have been betrayed!!

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u/thetruth503 6h ago

As livid as I am. I’m not surprised Trump did this he’s putins puppet

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u/KamKorn 6h ago

Wrong. He was never on your side Zelensky. I’m sure he knew it, but held out hope that there would be safeguards in place to stop the betrayal from happening.

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u/JoshSidekick 6h ago

You and me both, Z. You and me both.

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u/birdie_Sea 6h ago

Everyone should send their $5000 checks to Ukraine after midterms

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u/bumbes 6h ago

We all do

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u/HelpUs0ut 6h ago

Whoa, I am getting some MAJOR deja vu! 

Weird!

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u/tailsuser606 5h ago

Sooner or later, EVERYBODY is betrayed by Trump.

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u/PyroDragons123 5h ago

Zelenksky sounds more American than Trump.

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u/Wentil 5h ago

Most of America feels the same way. 😔

Just… 😓

Without bombs and roaming Russian murderers.

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u/NorcalGGMU 5h ago

Welcome to the club, brother

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u/Lycaon-Ur 5h ago

I mean, you are being betrayed by Trump. For the upteenth time. If it makes you feel any better, a lot of the American citizens also feel betrayed by Trump.

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u/Possible-Nectarine80 5h ago

Join the club. There,sadly are only a few hundred thousand MAGA voters out of the 77 million that voted for Trump that feel the same way.

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u/calgeorge 5h ago

I respect the hell out of him for trying to put asside his feelings and play nice for the sake of his and our people, but he's learning the hard way what lots of other people have already found out: sucking up to trump accomplishes nothing. He will throw anyone under the bus at any time if it benefits him.

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u/JayDubEwe 5h ago

The world is generally feeling this about America as a whole. The county has failed its own citizens, its allies, and has completely lost its way.

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u/EpilepticDawg241 5h ago

He felt betrayed years ago.

He's just saying it out loud now

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u/FreshLuck9739 5h ago

Like who doesn’t feel betrayed by Trump?!?

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u/Pleasant-Ad887 5h ago

You don't say... The guy that has been forcing everything Putin tells him on to you has betrayed you?

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u/7screws 5h ago

What a large friend group he just joined.

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u/Possible-Ad3864 5h ago

Welcome to the club.

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u/JustTheOneGoose22 4h ago

You and literally everyone he has ever done business with.

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u/Mother_Airline_6276 3h ago

Good. Because you have been betrayed, sir. You and 70% of America. Now please go blow up Russias diesel.

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u/StupidDumbass420 2h ago

For about the 50th time.

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u/Knightoncloudwine 2h ago

So do Americans.