r/politics • u/HarakenQQ • 9h ago
Possible Paywall Elon Musk and Trump are throwing Ukraine to the wolves
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/10/14/elon-musk-trump-throwing-ukraine-to-wolves/456
u/Stranger1982 9h ago
Elon Musk and Trump are throwing Ukraine to the wolves again
Fixed.
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u/Lavender_Willo 9h ago
This was always the plan. Trump owes Putin, Elon does business with Russia, and both hate Zelenskyy because he wouldn’t play their corrupt games. Trump literally got impeached for extorting Ukraine, Elon turned off Starlink to sabotage their defense. They’ve been throwing Ukraine to the wolves since day one. MAGA calls themselves patriots while siding with a dictator who is our actual enemy. Treasonous.
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u/coconutpiecrust 9h ago
Musk's dad absolutely loves Russia. There is nothing to indicate Musk does not. Errol Musk calls it "beautiful' and "civilized". Why do you think they are turning the US into it?
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u/inquisitive_guy_0_1 I voted 8h ago
I've seen videos that Russia has proudly shared of them using FPV drones to drop grenades on a lady walking her dog. Another of them doing the same thing to a man walking his dog.
Civilized? Get the fuck out of here. (This is not directed at the person im responding to)
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u/HighGainRefrain 7h ago
Why the fuck do people watch shit like that? Like why would you want that in your head?
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u/inquisitive_guy_0_1 I voted 6h ago
I absolutely dont want to see it. But I also want to know exactly what my traitor of a president is supporting and endorsing. We need to not ignore the realities of what Russia is doing do our allies every day.
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u/HighGainRefrain 6h ago
Yes but you and I already know that war is a disgusting, brutal nightmare AND we know Russian leadership and troops have zero respect for the lives of non combatants. You’re not learning anything new by watching these kinds of things.
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u/taylorbagel14 6h ago
I had never heard of these particular atrocities so I would say the other poster did me a favor by taking one for the team, watching it, and then commenting about it so I don’t have to watch it
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u/DeficitAttention 3h ago
Let's not chalk it up to just a war. It's a war crime. The videos are evidence of those war crimes. It's important for people to have proof that this is what Russia does in a war.
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u/P1xelHunter78 Michigan 8h ago
Mu$k’$ dad Love$ Ru$$ia.
They’re paid off. Plain and simple. It’s pretty evident now that since the Cold War started winding down the Russians started corrupt business relationships with American/Western business owners.
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u/coconutpiecrust 8h ago
I don't doubt that "friends help friends", but they just genuinely like the setup where everyone is depraved and corrupt. Some people genuinely like it, all the way until the point where it consumes them once someone even more depraved steps in.
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u/Vanga_Aground 5h ago
Ridiculous argument. Musk is an asshole but attributing the fact that Musk does because his dad does is BS.
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u/coconutpiecrust 5h ago
SpaceX has a number of investors from Russia; and there is this, of course: https://apnews.com/article/musk-putin-x-trump-tesla-election-russia-9cecb7cb0f23ccce49336771280ae179
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u/Ch1Guy 9h ago
So is this Elon punishing Ukraine for shutting down Russia's Bot Farm?
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u/StraightMixture9693 9h ago
... right before the midterms?
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u/Bigweld_Ind 9h ago
See Ukraine is meddling in US elections! /s
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u/SadlyNotPro Europe 9h ago
Been doing that for years. Musk has been intermittently shutting down the paid starlink communications for Ukraine, and Trump immediately stopped providing support.
The only "support" from the US was delivering weapons and munitiona paid for by European allies.
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u/BrandenWi 9h ago
Poor wittle Ewon got butthurt after his millions of bot followers suddenly stopped telling him how wonderful he is.
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u/Raptorex27 Maine 9h ago
Trump is pissed that Ukraine took out millions of his online supporters with that attack on the Russian data centers. RIP.
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u/Melodic_Window_6146 8h ago
No wonder Elon was sweating and cutting off Ukraine. A third of his verified blue-check subscribers just went up in smoke.
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u/Nippys4 9h ago
Did this dumb fuck just trade Ukraine for like 6 days worth of fuel or something?
Is that what’s going on?
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u/maddprof 9h ago
Probably more likely Elon and Trump are big mad they lost their propaganda engine with the Ukrainian strikes against Russian data centers.
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u/Melodic_Window_6146 8h ago
Somewhere in a smoldering warehouse in Rostov, a burnt-out server rack is about to be awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
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u/Imemine70 9h ago
More like 18 hours worth
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u/Nippys4 9h ago
Was this some dumb fuck gambit to lower fuel prices but Trump doesn’t know that however much he’s getting isn’t enough to move the needle?
He’s just fucked Ukraine because he’s a fucking idiot
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u/thealmightyzfactor 8h ago
No he knows it's pointless, he wants to be able to point to Ukraine as the source of the problem because he's a fucking idiot who made the problem
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u/ballofplasmaupthesky 6h ago
Bruh, let's be objective
- the global lack of diesel may cost the Republicans seats in Congress
- Trump doesn't want that (impeachement, etc etc)
- Musk doesn't want that (cushy gov contracts, he may be investigated for DOGE, etc)
For them midterm results >>> Ukraine. So, yeah, they pissed at Ukraine.
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u/ParkingVisual3735 6h ago
Simply a straw man. They need to blame Zelenskyy and Ukraine for the oil price.
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u/Railroader17 6h ago
That, and their retaliating against Ukraine because they destroyed the Yandex data centers and crippled Russia's internet propaganda machine which is pivotal in pushing Trump and Musks far right ideologies (and also making Twitter look better to advertisers by bumping up their user counts)
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u/Sweet-Emu-7698 3h ago
Who is dumb enough to fall for any right-leaning propaganda anymore? People can’t be THAT stupid, can they?
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u/AngryMillennialFU 3h ago
Yes. See Trump 2016. Excusing Jan 6. Trump 2024. Brexit. Recent German elections.
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u/ballofplasmaupthesky 6h ago
I don't think - Ukraine did so much damage Russia's exports are much lower and they even had to import some from India. And it's the diesel price specifically, not crude.
What it is, however, is a very egotistical position to take.
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u/notmyworkaccount5 8h ago
Yeah they're desperate to have any kind of "win" for their base before midterms.
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u/insanitazer 6h ago
Looks like Trump is paying Russia a bribe with fake oil deal to help him rig elections once again. Didn’t ASC mention that Elon helped by using his satellites?
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u/nickyboay 5h ago
My fear is it will be false flag rigging. Trump has Russia and Elon hack for the Dems, the FBI will "discover" the fraud and then send Dem candidates to prison for collusion with foreign enemies or some other hypocritical BS. Trump gets to be proven right and keep power at the same time.
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u/FunkadelicJiveTurkey 2h ago
It would be incredibly obvious to any sane person and be the nail in the coffin of democracy. That's not to say it can't happen, and acknowledging a sizeable portion of the population is not sane.
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u/Kohounees 7h ago
It’s not the first time the idiot does something like this. It’s how idiot does business: changing sides and throwing threaths every day whatever suits the idiot. Idiot has done similar stuff with Ukraine and Russia many times already. People just forget, because of idiotic information load. Everyday its some new mean and stupid shit.
Can’t wait for idiot to fade away. Luckily idiot is old.
I decided a while ago I will not use orange man’s name any more. Clown is not worth calling by name.
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u/Drekkful 7h ago
How is it trading Ukraine exactly? If it’s such an insignificant amount of fuel then how is it benefiting russia enough to defeat ukraine? According to the media Russia’s been on the verge of defeat for 4 years, zelensky just needs X more billion dollars and it will be over for sure!
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u/DonaldMerwinElbert 4h ago
By punishing Ukraine for fighting back - like demanding they stop targeting refineries, because of homeopathic amounts of Diesel to bail Trump out of his own unforced error.
Really not that difficult to understand, is it?
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u/SassyPotato22 9h ago
Next admin needs to ground SpaceX and starlink, move NASA under the Military, use half the military budget to build in house alternatives to both.
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u/Walkingstardust Florida 9h ago
Nationalize them both and save the money. Musk is already convinced that he's going to prison when the Democrats take control. Let's give him his wish.
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u/Due_Bluebird3562 6h ago
Prison is way too good. I say we cease his assets in their entirety then deport him back to South Africa and have the South African government deal with him.
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u/Skellum 3h ago
Next admin needs to ground SpaceX and starlink, move NASA under the Military, use half the military budget to build in house alternatives to both.
Honestly I wish they'd extend military medical benefits nation wide and roll medicade and medicare under it.
While I'd prefer a civilian Medicare for all what I care most about is people getting help. If we literally just have to extend our 'make work program' aka the military to also be our medical system then fuck it lets ball.
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u/phlred 9h ago
Betrayed by Trumpelstilskin for Blood Diesel
The starlink brand destruction should anger SpaceX shareholders
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u/barryvm Europe 9h ago
Not even that. For the pretense of blood diesel. Trump can now try to blame Ukraine defending itself against Russia for the energy crisis he caused through his stupid war. In return the US aligns itself to Russia and stabs Ukraine in the back.
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u/quitejustno 8h ago
He can try to shift the blame. If the houthis and saudis keep this up with the straight still closed, we can expect fuel prices to go up much higher before the end of the year.
Of course all of that will be Ukraine's fault too but hey... who cares about the truth.
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u/barryvm Europe 6h ago
I presume that's why Trump and his henchmen think it's worth a try. Their supporters don't care about the truth. They'll be looking for someone to blame too, because of course they are ultimately to blame for their country's present state.
Up til now, Trump and his ilk haven't ever lost by betting on the selfishness and stupidity of their supporters, but that may be about to change. It's now so much easier for them to blame him by "discovering" he "betrayed" them than to believe any of the convoluted narratives about Ukraine.
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u/sionnach_fi Europe 8h ago
This harms ALL defence companies in the US. Why would you buy American weapons knowing that a rapist in the white house can turn them off at will?
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 9h ago
Trumpelstilskin... Blood Diesel
Amazing band/album name combo. 100% would have a parental advisory sticker.
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u/Theferael_me Europe 8h ago
lol, they don't give a fuck, just like they didn't GAF when he dropped his shorts and pissed all over Tesla. They know the stock price will only go up.
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u/poilu1916 9h ago
From what I've read, there's "Starlink", the commercial part of the business directly controlled by SpaceX, and "Starshield", the government/military part of the business that is under the control of the DoD (not managing the satellite infrastructure directly, but managing their usage).
All this to say: it may not have been Elon, it could have been Hegseth (and it wouldn't be the first time he unilaterally decides to undermine Ukraine). Or both.
Hegseth: Hey Elon, how can I sabotage Starlink for the Ukrainians?
Elon: We just added in a "speed limit" kill switch, so set that to something a lot slower than their drones and they'll stop working roflmao11111I'msoC00L!
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u/SeveralPhysics9362 8h ago
Well yea. An alcoholic white power loving ex Fox News personality isn’t much better than whatever sad excuse for a human Musk is.
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u/poilu1916 8h ago
According to this NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/14/business/starshield-spacex-ukraine-starlink-satellites-musk.html
(non-paywall link)For years, Ukraine’s armed forces have relied on SpaceX’s Starlink, which provides internet connectivity from satellites in lower earth orbit, and more recently its military-grade sister service, Starshield. Ukraine said on Tuesday that some military operations had been jeopardized, and specifically cited restrictions on Starshield.
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Mr. Beskrestnov said that the restrictions, which applied to devices traveling over 100 miles per hour and using Starshield, were related to “the current political situation.” Devices that broadcast satellite internet to users, which SpaceX calls “terminals,” can be placed on vehicles or drones to help guide them when traveling at high speeds.
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u/HarakenQQ 9h ago
The story is about Starshield, which is under control of the US government.
Absolutely Congress should act on this to force Trump to support Ukraine.
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u/Snoo_53179 8h ago
Shame on you, USA. Never lecture anyone about freedom again. You know nothing about it, you don't value it and you don't even care. Just shut up.
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u/RGQcats 7h ago
I'm surprised it took them this long to really fuck Ukraine over. They're both utter scumbags.
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u/redneckhatr 5h ago
Let’s not forget: The diesel shortage is because this moron President started a war with Iran and then it spread to Saudi Arabia. Without that chain of events, there would be no need to bailout Russia, again. Fucking morons and traitors.
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u/Agreeable_Job4878 3h ago
The rest of Europe needs to step up its support for Ukraine. Together they have 10 times Russia's GDP. If Russia isn't defeated in Ukraine it will eventually come for the rest of Europe. Forget about the USA, it's broken, can't be relied on. It is becoming like an old imperial power from the 19th century. All it cares about is increasing the wealth of its oligarchs.
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u/Leather_Force_9419 8h ago
Is this the line? once crossed that will finally get America's to actually sacrifice and save/take their country? , No? Then what is? What changes " I have work tomorrow so i couldnt possibly..." into actually taking action! To be clear, im talking about countrywide strikes, cancelling all subscriptions, etc Trump n Republicans are a symptom, they must go for the head of the snake, shut down the economy, hurt the billionaires
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u/Admirable_Scene_5066 8h ago
That is not the line, Americans would gladly throw Ukraine under the bus if it netted them 20 dollars. Whatever the US does around the world, it doesn't register as long as they are kept comfortable. They'll gleefully steal the world's resources to keep it going.
It is not ICE playing brownshirts, it is not the administration blatantly stealing from them, it is certainly not the US backstabbing allies. The only thing that turns the US against Trump is having to pay a bit more at the pump. If oil was 10 cents cheaper than in 2024, republicans would win the midterms in a landslide.
The country is a lost cause.
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u/Leather_Force_9419 8h ago
Oh I understand all this, i think you're reading my message with the wrong tone.
Ive given up on Americans doing what needs to be done to save their country.
Hell they wont even do anything meaningful to help
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u/Theferael_me Europe 8h ago
Americans couldn't even stop buying Teslas when the CEO did Nazi salutes.
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u/Boundish91 Norway 8h ago
That didn't stop europeans from buying Teslas either, especially Norwegians.
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u/SalaciousPandaPart3 7h ago
...that will finally get America...
No. The answer is no. They're the laziest, most complacent population on the planet, on top of the absolutely insane brainwashing and propaganda they're subjected to. Hoping for Americans to ever do ANYTHING that makes them slightly uncomfortable is a complete waste of time.
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u/Leather_Force_9419 7h ago
Oh I know, the tone of this message is closer to anger while not getting reported non stop.
Ive given up on Americans
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u/TemporarySun314 Europe 9h ago
*The US is throwing ukraine to wolves.
and they will cheer if it hurts the EU and other liberal democracies in europe
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u/SweetAlyssumm 9h ago
I guess their neighbors in Europe will have to step in and help. The EU has 452 million people plus the other Euro countries that are not in the EU. This was an UNO Reverse! situation and Europe is over there in Putin's sights so they have to play the next hand as best they can.
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u/foeg-88 6h ago
They will get help elsewhere. We will lose out on everything that we have accomplished there already and whatever contracts could have been made after. Trump is screwing us all because that is what his master wants. Putin is the worst thing to happen to the world sense the plague. kind of funny that he might bring that back too. Jesus.
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u/Vanga_Aground 5h ago
This is just horrendous. This makes the US the enemy of the west. There's no other way around it. You support a dictator waging aggressive war after signing a treaty to protect the victim (the Budapest Agreement) you're the enemy of civilized democracies.
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u/sphinxsley 5h ago
November needs to get here ASAP
Help get your friends to the polls - and 💙 VOTE BLUE to HELP SAVE THE WORLD
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u/Foxintoxx 7h ago
They're trying to finish what they were ordered to do by their puppeteers before the midterms end them .
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u/HellaTroi California 6h ago edited 6h ago
No paywall for me this time.
"last October, Trump sanctioned Rosneft and Lukoil and he has allowed European allies to buy American weapons for Kyiv. But each arc towards Ukraine has been shallow and temporary, whereas each subsequent movement back towards Russia has gone deeper than the last."
Then this:
"A proposed sale of Lukoil’s international oil fields, refineries and fuel stations has become part of US-Russia talks on ending the war in Ukraine, The New York Times reported on 3 October."
"The deal would need approval from both the US government and the Kremlin, and would benefit Middle Eastern business executives with ties to US negotiators Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, the newspaper reported."
https://www.oilandgasmiddleeast.com/news/lukoil-assets-ukraine-talks
Any purchase of Lukoil will line the pocket of Putin, and will immediately add much needed funding for Russia's war on Ukraine.
The Trump fueled US negotiators are brazenly working to bring the US closer to Russia, and fund their illegal, brutal war on a non-aggressor country.
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u/Captcha_Imagination 6h ago
The question is can Russia supported by USA win vs Ukraine supported by EU + UK + Canada + Japan?
I don't know the answer to that, but I know it's not the cakewalk that Russia would want it to be.
And Trump might not be able to continue this after this after the midterms.
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u/angelar_ Texas 5h ago
These guys really do make a concerted effort to be as unpopular as possible.
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u/Kevin_Palpatine 4h ago
So this is different than Trump withholding arms & aid that was Congressionally approved just before Russia invaded?
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u/Almost_Exactly_ 2h ago
Pretty much why Elon created Starlink. To be powerful enough to control people and their countries. I’ve been solidly against Starlink. Now Elon, and our country’s sad sack of leaders use it as a weapon. Who woulda thunk.
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u/LeastReactionary 1h ago
Ukraine has been winning their war dramatically. Russia cant even keep up with the amount of supplies and citizens lost already.
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u/NaturalCritical8077 1h ago
A question I have is if the Democrats are able to turn the Senate in house at the midterms what can a United Congress advocate to reverse some of what Trump’s treasonous activities have been?
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u/cobaltjacket 1h ago
The main thing they can do is cut off his ability to spend on things he wants. This will force him to negotiate.
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u/Fadedcamo 30m ago
Can they actually? It'll require the judicial to step on just about everything. Congress can SAY trump can't do this or that but he's just going to...do it anyways
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