Pinoy Rant/Vent
Echoing the same sentiments as the UPV student.
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Firstly, I'm going to be completely reckless with this which is why I flaired it as vent. Skip nalang if you can't take it. I saw this on Tiktok. I don't blame this person for how they feel. Hindi ko alam kung magastos lang ba talaga yung mga ganitong type ng mga estudyante or may mga part-time job para punan yung ganong luxuries, but I don't understand how can some of those people be scholars. Sasabihin nanaman ng iba, "Porket may pang ganto?" — an underprivileged student doesn't have the money to do that regularly. Let's say magaling sila kaya nakapasa, but is that the goal of UP? To cater to well-off students basta magaling lang?
When people say that those who can afford private education shouldn't be in UP, they're also talking about the limited slots SOME of those rich people are leeching off. Imagine, yung mga pa-woke na estudyanteng ito, sinasabihan siyang out of touch as if they're the ones who are experiencing the fishermen's suffering when even things like rallies have become a luxury to the underprivileged people who can't afford to waste their time. Sure, walang masama sa pag-protest, but shaming a fisherman's child for not going to the rally while rallying about the rights of fishermen is ironic.
Don't even get me started sa mga magulang sa comments na dinedefend mga anak nilang taga-UP and other people who are acting like yung mga mayayaman pa yung na-ostracized. "Hindi kami mayaman". Ahh, yes, a public school is for those with 100k+ phones, car that costs million, 'di naapektuhan sa kahit anong pagtaas ng gas, debit and credit cards, restaurants every day, and club on weekends. Sige, i-compute ng iba kung hindi pa sobrang pera 'yan para di pa ma-afford mag-private school?
Think about it, libre tuition sa UP. But we have UPCAT, ang pumapasa sa UPCAT majority is mga anak mayaman na afford yung lifestyle na nabanggit.
Think about the quality of the lower education between rich/private and poor/public as the root cause.
Another problem could be that sa sobrang baba ng sahod ng mga public school teachers eh tiktok and reels ang ginagawa kesa magturo. 1 teacher is to 60 students pa ang loads
Yung mga bata sa public school nag aabsent pa yan kasi need nila tumulong sa mga magulang para rumaket.
Any school have their own version of "matcha activists".
Kung sino pa yung from well off families, sila pa yung loud activists.
Meanwhile most of those that come from the poorer families really push with focusing on their studies.
Weird lopside but also shows priorities of people.
UP grad here. Yes this issue has been raised multiple times ever since nastart yung libre tutition fee, since many believe that the free tution fee would actually work against the poor rather than help them
I dont think UP should ‘ban’ well off students, but rather save majority of its slots for the indigent and the financially lacking
The problem here I think is that the students who generally come from poor families are failing to either take or pass the UPCAT. I think its safe to say that majority of those who have the ability to take the exam and properly prepare for it come from the middle or upper class
Sorry, but that's a bad solution. Lowering the bar of entrance is just going to work against the ones coming from poor education.
If UPCAT palang hindi makapasa, how do you expect them to survive UP? UP grad ako. The easiest part of being in UP is passing the UPCAT. If yun palang di nila maipasa, baka di sila tumagal ng isang taon kick out na sila dahil sa di makasabay sa exams.
UP should not be the one to go down to the level of poor public school quality, public schools should be raised to produce students of the level to even survive UP and pass the UPCAT. Hindi kasalanan ng UP bakit di makapasa ang less fortunate sa UPCAT. Kasalanan yun ng DEPED. Kaya DEPED ang dapat tutukan bakit puro mga ganun ang produkto nila.
UP grad din ako, hindi ko sinasabi na babaan ang bar ng entrance. Mg alot ng slots para sa mahihirap na nakapasa bago iconsider ang me mga kaya lalo na sa mga quota courses
That's already done. It's also been integrated into the updated charter:
Democratic Access
UP shall take affirmative steps, which may take the form of an alternative and equitable admissions process to enhance the access of disadvantaged students.
Talagang hindi lang nakakalusot sa UPCAT ang maraming under privileged because public schools screwed them over.
Hindi naman napupuno ang slots ng UP maliban sa talagang quota courses. Heck there was a program in UPLB once na 15 lang sila sa buong major nila for one year.
May nabasa ako na 12% lang ng Grade 11 students have the ability to read independently. Yung identify explicit details, make inferences and draw conclusions sa binasa nila.
If 87% di kaya yun, edi halos lahat yun bagsak sa reading comprehension part ng UPCAT.
Its not the public schools, the review centers are also a big factor. Those who cannot afford to pay for review centers are being edged out by those who can
malaking factor ang public school, yun yung foundation kung sino at pano hubugin yung mind ng mga students before sila magcollege or even before magsenior high. di ko alam pano yung sistema sa normal na public school, pero may mga school (sciehigh) na ang iinstill nila sayo ay ang end goal mo na makapag-UP.
That says alot about the quality of our public school education. Kaya minsan di mo rin masisi yung ibang magulang kung bakit nila gustong ipasok sa private mga anak nila as they prepare them for college. Ano ba pambala nila kung nanghihiram lang ng libro sa public while for keeps ang books sa private. May liberty pa ang private school mamili ng publishing house as textbook suppliers.
UP caters to the cream of the crop of the Philippine student population. If you have the brains, you’re in. Since when was UP supposed to be solely for the poor? Also, if hindi kakayanin ng utak, sa tingin niyo makaka survive sila sa loob with the extremely fast paced learning environment that crams multiple semesters’ worth (in other schools) of in depth knowledge in one semester?
The University is one of the best tertiary institutions in the country that produces graduates who excel in their fields.
Marami ring hindi naman mayaman talaga originally pero UP graduates yung parents tapos yumaman eventually kaya gusto nila sa UP parin kids nila.
Admission into UP is based on merit with some degree of adjustments based on the applicant’s background (palugit and pabigat).
Also please refer to an excerpt from the RA No. 9500 below:
“SEC. 9. Democratic Access. - The national university shall take affirmative steps which may take the form of an alternative and equitable admissions process to enhance the access of disadvantaged students, such as indigenous peoples, poor and deserving students, including but not limited to valedictorians and salutatorians of public high schools, and students from depressed areas, to its programs and services.
No student shall be denied admission to the national university by reason solely of age, gender, nationality, religious belief, economic status, ethnicity, physical disability, or political opinion or affiliation.
The national university recognizes the separation of Church and State. It shall guarantee religious freedom and shall not discriminate on the basis of religion.”
UP alum here. UP is not for the poor. While I was juggling two part time jobs during my college days, makikita mo talaga yung difference between students who come from a well off families and those na matatalino talaga (and hindi mayaman). Iba rin yung gastos dahil sa labs, equipments, and living expenses sa campus.
I even tried applying for different scholarships kahit DOST scholar ako that time, and magugulat ka na lang na yung mga nakapasa sa ibang scholarships na supposedly endorsed for underprivileged students were students na may iphones at nakakotse. Later on, malalaman mo na lang na yung pinasa nilang picture ng bahay nila ay bahay ng kapitbahay.
While I understand that UP provides opportunities for underprivileged students, we also have to acknowledge that UP is open to everyone who qualifies through its admission process. Nakakagalit yung ganitong sistema, pero hindi ko rin masisisi ang mga estudyanteng nakapasa dahil sistema mismo ang nagbigay sa kanila ng pagkakataong makapasok. The responsibility lies with the institutions and its policies that fails to acknowledge the disadvantage na nararanasan ng mga underprivileged students.
(Mind you, galing ako sa science high (halos kalahati or majority ng mga kaklase ko eh nakakotse or hatid sundo pa ng mga parents nila. Kung titignan, pwedeng di naman sila mag-enroll dun, paubaya na lang nila yung libreng sapatos, uniform, bag at mga gamit sa school sa mga mahihirap. But still, dahil kilala ang science high na magandang school (dahil sa kalidad na turo at opportunities), madami ang nag-eexam at nakakapasa na mayayaman). Sila rin yung nakakapagenroll sa mga review centers while umasa lang kami sa mga free reviewer sa online at sa saturday review class ng school. Kung titignan, parang UP din ito, pero sa high school at senior high naman)
Not from UP and while I respect the institution, I occasionally hear people discuss the rightfulness of free education even for those who can afford to pay tuition.
UP caters to all classes. Everyone wants the best education that they can get.
If you pass the UPCAT, that's it. UP does not discriminate based on wealth or social status. If a higher population from the "better off" classes pass and get higher grades then that will determine the composition of the university. The same happens if the number of indigent applicants get higher scores in the UPCAT. This is a completely objective take by the university. There are other equally good state universities that are perfectly capable of catering to those who have not passed the UPCAT. Why not apply there? Again, everybody wants the best education they can get. Why deprive any class from getting one if qualified? I paid for full tuition when I was there and I had blockmates who were scholars who received allowances from the government. There wasn't a clash of ideologies during our time regarding this.We just accepted that the university caters to all because education should not discriminate. If you don't pass, get the UP campus that you want or get into the course that you have chosen, then apply to another state university. The tuition will still be subsidized and you will still earn your degree. Why chose UP if you cannot handle diversity?
it’s meritocracy. i mean it would be an issue if UP prioritized people based on needs. however, they base it on your scores and grades. i mean, it is sad that the reality is that, most of these students come from well off private school as they could afford quality education. look at the state of our education system in the philippines, would you really think that lack of classrooms, lack of accessibility, overcrowding, lack of resources, and lack of investment would result all students vying for UP go into there? unless they really prove themselves to be the best (and much better compared to those well off student), then they could enter there. but, other than that, no.
i know you’re always asking the question “why are those type of students enrolling into UP knowing that they have the financial capacity to enroll to private schools?” and the reality is, it’s their decision. some of those people enroll based on the quality education while some just enroll just because they don’t want to belong in those other schools. unless we demand an explanation from them, this will continue to happen.
and that’s coming from someone that doesn’t have the money to go to private schools. it’s sad, i know. but unless you demand schools like UP to accept based on needs, this really won’t change anything.
The State has the mandate to promote the rights of ALL CITIZENS to quality education as per the Constitution. ALL CITIZENS ang nakalagay, hindi lang yung least privileged.
If you want na dapat yung UP is for middle to lower class lang, edi di na yun equality. You're just targeting specific socio-economic demographics lang ang may advantage you're looking for equity for a quality education na natatamasa ng mga nasa high-income earners.
You think that the middle and upper classes not getting into UP is an ethical issue?
Discrimination is an ethical issue. That I am sure.
There will be a multitude of people who will have lower financial capability than you and they will echo the same issue of wealth disparity when that happens.
No one is being deprived of education by not going to UP. As I have stated, there are still other state universities.
You are asking the middle and upper classes to subsidize indigent education while barring them from choosing what they think offers the best education for their children.
That is peak discrimination.
There will always be someone who has less wealth and privilege than you and that will not change. Should middle class families who are nearly threading the poverty line because of rising inflation, give way to those who have less than them and sacrifice their resources further by going to the more expensive private schools or should they grab the opportunity to ease their burden because their children passed the UPCAT and therefore offer some relief to their already strained financial situation?
Why use the UPCAT as a qualifier then? Let's use BIR form 2316 of the applicant's parents to determine entry if that's the case regardless if whether the applicant understood the fundamental subjects taught in high school or not.
Majority of those who make statements like this dont even go to UP.
I took UPCAT way back at 2017 and passed.
Did i go forward with it?
Nope.
Do i blame the upper class from pursuing their education at UP?
Still no.
I am still gonna have to deal with living expenses which my parents cannot support and I totally understand that. (Maybe in another life no?) Pero let’s not point fingers here kung sino palagi yung deserving and find a way to put ourselves in a better position regardless of where we came from.
As a UP Grad, to me this is just redirecting the blame.
Let's say magaling sila kaya nakapasa, but is that the goal of UP? To cater to well-off students basta magaling lang?
UP was never just for the poor. The university's charter is to become a center of excellence in many fields. And to be a center of excellence, means you also need to take in yung magagaling na students.
This has long been a misconception, na UP is for the poor. Nowhere in the charter said that UP was for the underprivileged. It's for every Filipino. And a rich Filipino is still a Filipino. The new charter added that the university has the mandate to prefer underprivileged students, and gives weight to that, but that still comes with the caveat of needing to have a good UPCAT score.
Entrance to UP has always been gatekept with the UPCAT. The UPCAT is an equalizer in the sense that it doesn't care if you're rich or poor. If you have the foundations necessary to survive UP education, then you can pass the UPCAT. They're not getting through the UPCAT because public education failed them.
If the less privileged aren't passing anymore these days it's not because the rich are literally taking their slots. It's because their scores aren't competitive enough. Private schools raised tuition fees and maintained their education levels. Public schools cut corners despite large budgets, had no child left behind policies, and allowed children who can barely read reach high school when they should have been turned back to elementary.
Do you think that if UP removes the rich, that many less privileged would get slots? Some of them just literally straight up fail the UPCAT. Heck, hindi naman napupuno ng UP ang slots nila. Kaya nga may mga nakakapag transfer pa into UP from other schools. Kaya nga may mga nakakapagshift pa from one program to another kasi may available slots pa. Kaya nga after release ng UPCAT results pwede ka pang pumunta sa UP and magpareconsider sa ibang courses na qualified ka kasi madami pang slots na hindi napuno. If the less fortunate really had slots stolen, why are there still available slots? The simple answer is because the ones who weren't given slots simply did not have good enough scores for the program they wanted to get into.
Hindi UP ang kalaban dito. DEPED. Why is DEPED's public education system producing students who are supposed to be at the high school level but have barely any literacy. Why are only 12.58% of Grade 11 students can be classified as independent readers? That means over 87% of students would fail the reading comprehension part of UPCAT.
Get the public schools to prepare their students better so they can score better in UPCAT.
Good argument, I agree. My sibling's a UP-D grad and while we're not rich, she can afford what was in the rant. UP ain't just for the poor nor are the rich buying up or boxing out the poor. It just so happens that those smart enough to get in are usually from those who have more.
yung mga friends ko na di nakapagsciehigh, nagugulat na may free UPCAT review sa amin. while competitive enough na yung mga subjects namin (preparing for UPCAT), may review pa, di ko magets kung bakit hindi magawa ito sa ibang mga public schools.
What are you talking about? I had classmates who were children of doctors and lawyers. May mga anak pa ng negosyante. Baka sinabi lang nya yan kasi bagsak sa upcat anak niya
Ngiba na talaga demographic ng nasa UP. Tumaas na kasi ang tuition sa ibang private schools at sa UP sila nglipatan. Isama mo pa ng binawasan pa nila ng budget kaya napilitan din mgtaas ng tuition ang UP, sa level na di na abot ng mahihirap
UPV ba talaga pero BGC ang reference? Hindi ba 'to troll account lang? Tapos sineseryoso niyo with your half-baked analyses na hindi man lang sisiyasat sa greater forces at work? Nubayan. Nag-English 13 na ba kayo?
"analyses" ? it's a rant. let's give it the benefit of the doubt. students travelling nowadays is really trendy. so, walang nakakapagtaka if those well-off students can do a flight, I'm assuming from Ilo Ilo to Metro Manila because it only takes an hour by the plane and how it's written makes sense. "Wellness break lng ng one week tapos nasa BGC na nagpaparty", if it was a campus nearer, they wouldn't be saying that.
Pero when you apply for a scholarship at most universities, you have to provide a lot of information about yourself, what your house looks like, your parents' salary, and such. How did those same people qualify for that? Is there any other qualification I don't know about?
I'm not asking UP to just accept poor students solely because they're poor. I'm asking them to recognize those from poor and even middle-class families who are deserving based on their potential but cannot afford expensive tuition fees. It's true that maybe some of the poor don't even have the resources to be qualified, but what about those who are more fortunate? I don't know. I don't understand, and maybe it will stay that way.
A rich person studying in a government-funded institution, with taxpayers funding their education. The logic doesn't make sense, kahit gaano pa man sila kagaling. I would understand kung discount lang, pero for four years, libre?
Wala akong ties with UP, pero that doesn't mean wala na akong karapatang magsalita.
And to those who are saying na 'di nila kakayanin, I know you have statistics to prove the gap in the quality of public schools. Pero may mga public schools din na mas advanced at may resources dahil nagagamit nang maayos ang pondo. Sometimes, SOME of those students do perform well. Some of them are even driven by the struggles they've faced to work harder and get a better quality of education. I do know that this isn't everyone's story. Side lang ito ng mga nagkaroon ng pagkakataon.
Pero may mga public schools din na mas advanced at may resources dahil nagagamit nang maayos ang pondo. Sometimes, SOME of those students do perform well. Sometimes, SOME of those students do perform well.
And what makes you say na di nakakapasok yung less privileged na prepared well by their schools? Nakakapasok yung mga yun. I've had classmates when I was in UP na from their town's public/national HS.
Marami lang talaga ang hindi na nakakapasok and mas kita yung mga middle to upper middle and even talagang upper class na dumadami.
They just have to get past the UPCAT. Yun lang naman ang hinihingi sa kanila eh.
Karamihan ng mga mayayaman naka-scholarship. Pahirapan para sa mahihirap makapasok dahil walang kakayanang makakuha ng mga papeles para patunayang mahirap sila.
Yung kuya at nanay ko, nag-aral sa UPD. Di sila mayaman kumpara sa mga stereotypical na mayamang students na galing UPD, pero kahit papaano, kinaya nila all thanks to their skills.
As a future Isko, let's take a bigger picture at educational inequality kung usaping edukasyon, hindi economical inequality na pangkalahatan talaga nangyayari di lang sa usaping edukasyon lol
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