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Off Day Thread Phillies Postseason Discussion Thread - Monday, October 12

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Last Updated: 10/12/2026 11:05:45 PM EDT

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u/kangaroojack4433 2d ago

The Brewers look like they play a different sport than us

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u/Hothabanero6 2d ago

old baseball in practice

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u/Fandomstar88 2d ago

The Phillies should take notes.

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u/ats1788 2d ago

Thank you Brewers. Now keep it going

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u/Strange-Cold-5192 2d ago

As much as I enjoy the Phillies show, it’s so evident how Ruben was a terrible GM.

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u/beau9292 Kruks mullet 2d ago

If he mentions Harper being traded one more time I’m going to lose it

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u/karawec403 Cyjuan 2d ago

I enjoy Ruben’s perspective as someone who’s held almost every job within a professional baseball organization. And often he does give good insight on the inside baseball going on. And then other times, it’s just baffling he was ever a GM.

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u/Strange-Cold-5192 2d ago

Agreed, I like the guy, and I find his insights valuable. I just fundamentally disagree on how he evaluates players.

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u/NintenJew 我喜欢棒球 2d ago

Honestly, that is kind of why I like the Phillies show the most. Love him or hate him, RAJ forms his own opinions instead of regurgitating the consensus "correct" view. He is wrong a lot, but he makes me think.

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u/Di5pel he's the fucking lizard king 2d ago

He does seem fairly self aware too and will often acknowledge things didnt go well, or that he made mistakes. Like the other week when he acknowledged it was a big mistake not to move some of their bigger contracts earlier (although Zolecki then pointed out that that wasn’t entirely RAJ’s fault and ownership intervened)

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u/ToddZolecki 2d ago

Just wanted to say thanks for watching/listening to the show ... even if you disagree with us. :) But to your point, I can tell you that Ruben did want to rebuild earlier than he did (he finally traded Hamels and Papelbon in July 2015), but he was told he needed to keep the core intact and try to keep the good times going.

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u/NintenJew 我喜欢棒球 2d ago

Like the other week when he acknowledged it was a big mistake not to move some of their bigger contracts earlier (although Zolecki then pointed out that that wasn’t entirely RAJ’s fault and ownership intervened

Yep, I thought that was an interesting point when they mentioned it. I also think he is a bad GM, but I don't think he was nearly as bad as the fanbase believes.

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u/incognito042620 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

I think it's more that we really don't know how bad a GM he really was because there were obviously aggravating circumstances that prevented him from exercising his judgment. Maybe things would have turned out better if those circumstances didn't exist, maybe not, but we'll never know

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u/NintenJew 我喜欢棒球 2d ago

You can say that about literally any position, which is why I think there are different levels before you can form a hard or soft opinion. That is just referring to the idea that you need to give everyone grace, and try to understand people are all have mitigating circumstances we don't know.

I don't think your point shows whether you can form an opinion, just how strongly you can believe it.

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u/incognito042620 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

I don't think your point shows whether you can form an opinion, just how strongly you can believe it.

I still believe Amaro was a shitty GM and would have made bad decisions even if he was allowed to make all his own decisions. Hell, listening to him blather when he's announcing Phillies games is enough to conclude that

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u/NintenJew 我喜欢棒球 2d ago

Gotcha. Yeah I was going to say RAJs understanding of analytics during the time when every team was adopting it is why I have him as a bad GM. But I also think it's a "medium" opinion for me.

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u/Strange-Cold-5192 2d ago

I genuinely enjoy all three of them, I just can’t believe how wrong I think he is

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u/NintenJew 我喜欢棒球 2d ago

My biggest problem with RAJ is it is clear he has some misconceptions about analytics and he repeats them every now and then and it confuses me. I can think of a few times he said something on the broadcast or the Phillies show and I legitimately had to look it up because I was like "that's just not true." or "I think he is completely botching this."

That's the only part that annoys me because I do think he confuses some people. I try to read as many articles and books as I can and even I get confused sometimes. It's why I can't get upset with people who misunderstand analytics on this sub or think they aren't useful. There isn't really a good educator on the subject in our fandom.

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u/Strange-Cold-5192 2d ago

I fundamentally don’t understand how he values players. Like Tim Mayza was good this year and is perfectly fine as the 5th or 6th guy in the pen. He’ll probably be cheap. He can function in a variety of roles. But Amaro would only bring him back on an MiLB deal. Non-tendering Hill when he’ll make $2m tops as your 5th OF? But he loves Bohm lol (I do agree Bohm is overhated because this FO asked him to be a star when he’s an average player, though).

Even as GM, I didn’t think his MLB moves were terrible, but his talent identification, or lack thereof, is what doomed the team. He couldn’t draft for shit.

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u/_token_black Will not do free PR for John Middleton 2d ago

Ruben’s reign coinciding with management’s neglect of anything resembling scouting or development is a big reason why this team looks like this now

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u/bartwn52 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

I really do hope the brewers beat the dodgers. Will be watching, and will be rooting all the way for the Brew Crew

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u/Bugsly55 2d ago

Personally love watching the Brewers destroy the Dodgers.

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u/ats1788 2d ago

Same!

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u/Silly-Date8921 2d ago

Gotta admit this brewers team is fun to watch

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u/ats1788 2d ago

Love watching the Brewers beating the Dodgers but now I’m pissed because why can’t the Phillies play like this?! Plate discipline, working the count, small ball etc

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

Defense

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u/dmatje Fire Long, Kill Duran, Marry Davis 2d ago

Bryceball vs Briceball

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u/ChillStillWill 1d ago

Bryce was one of the most disciplined hitters last year in the league

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u/OverallPersimmon6786 2d ago

Hot take but that’s not why the brewers are winning this series at the moment. The Brewers bullpen along with Ohtani playing his worst baseball are effecting things more than anything else. The dodgers lineup with a subpar Ohtani is not good, it’s just really old

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

The Dodgers lineup with prime Ohtani is god tier (I say this through gritted teeth). The lineup with injured Ohtani is still probably S tier maybe at worst A+ tier

Anyway I have no idea what you're on about with the Brewers hitting. They got seven runs today and drove out the Dodgers' arguably best starting pitcher in less than 3 innings

It's a combined effort basically. Their bullpen is great. Their offense is great. It's all coming together. Dodgers are diminished (though you're over exaggerating how much Ohtani carries the team when healthy)

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u/OverallPersimmon6786 1d ago

The point about the Brewers bullpen is that it’s been so good it’s given them the chance to not only take leads late, but also hold leads.

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u/Fandomstar88 2d ago

I miss when we had that….🥲

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u/Hothabanero6 2d ago

Fuck the Dodgers. Go Brewers!

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u/GuitarPlayer07 is it really a good morning without Phillies baseball? 2d ago

Good morning r/phillies!

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u/Di5pel he's the fucking lizard king 2d ago

Good morning u/GuitarPlayer07!

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u/WheelerDealsAgain Wawa please bring back teriyaki sauce 2d ago

Luckily for the brewers no one has ever blown a 2-0 lead in the NLCS before

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u/jmiah717 Derek Hill's Hitting Diary 2d ago

At home and then heading to the opponents venue too 😬

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u/dmatje Fire Long, Kill Duran, Marry Davis 2d ago

I was at all 3 of them AZ games. My soul still hurts but I still thought we would TAKE ONE OF TWO AT HOME

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u/Hothabanero6 2d ago

Right 🥴

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u/Chief_JD 2d ago

Manifesting Stott magically becoming Brice Turang next year

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

Making Yamamoto throw 73+ pitches in 3 innings is crazy work. God I wish that were us.

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u/Novel_Description761 RIP Clock 2d ago

Brewers bullpen is one of the best groups I can remember seeing. Those guys are so good

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u/jmiah717 Derek Hill's Hitting Diary 2d ago

Similar to the Dodgers two years ago

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u/ac4897 Bryson Stott 2d ago

I’m so jealous of the Brewers offensive approach

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u/WheelerDealsAgain Wawa please bring back teriyaki sauce 2d ago

Prediction markets and gambling ads everywhere

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

Literally got an ad from Kalshi today telling me I could bet on the weather. Wtf are we doing?

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u/jayleman 2026 Aaron Nola believer 2d ago

It's a fuckin scourge man. It's everywhere lol gf and I are watching Disney+ for Halloween movies this month and it's like every 5min

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

Don't worry. I'm sure every ad being a GLP1 or a gambling ad doesn't bode poorly at all for society

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u/Pedestrian_X-Wing Monty's Angle 2d ago

What's the difference?

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u/WheelerDealsAgain Wawa please bring back teriyaki sauce 2d ago

Prediction markets are not considered “gambling” it’s more like stocks, legally. But it’s the same shit

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u/Pedestrian_X-Wing Monty's Angle 2d ago

I see no difference

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u/ats1788 2d ago

Contreras is having a night!

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u/Chief_JD 2d ago

Two more topper

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u/IsabelleMauvaise 2d ago

Cheerleaders in the MLB is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Please, Phillies, have the dignity not to descend to this level.

I've always liked that the Eagles cheerleaders started out with a more traditional look and I still feel they're not as stripper-y as others.

With that said, I have watched ALL the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader shows since the beginning and am trying to learn Thunderstruck.

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u/sweetbabyted 2d ago

Good afternoon. I miss the Phillies.

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u/ElderJicama Rav4th Inning 2d ago

i keep reflexively opening the MLB app on my phone before realizing that there's nothing there for me any longer

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u/sweetbabyted 2d ago

I’ve done the same thing too. The lack of a daily Matt Gelb article is also messing up my “first 30 minutes at the office” routine.

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u/Bugsly55 2d ago

Wow. Imagine having a really good bullpen...

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

We literally did lol It's not our reliever's fault the manager waged a holy war on their shoulders and then was shocked that they weren't as effective when exhausted

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u/TheGreatDudebino Francisco Renteria 2029 2d ago

Tim Mayza wakes up in cold sweats every night because he has nightmares that Mattingly was calling for him to warm up

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u/GengarMafia 2d ago

Genuinely do not understand how this is not the consensus amongst Phillies fans. Mattingly genuinely destroyed this team’s chances at winning in the playoffs with that shit (and winning in September for that matter lol).

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u/Bugsly55 2d ago

While I agree with the mismanagement of the bullpen, I would argue that the Phillies 2026 team had a "really good bullpen." We had a couple of really good relievers. But not as a whole. When you see a team like the Brewers, it doesn't really compare.

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago edited 2d ago

Not true. They were a top 3 bullpen by WAA until about halfway through the season when the dead arm chickens finally came home to roost. They were so depleted that we needed a recently returned Painter and Rangel to pull off 8 innings against the Cardinals because every one else but Bowlan was unavailable due to exhaustion.

It's really noticeable with Kerkering's game log in particular. Exhaustion breaks even the best units.

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u/Fandomstar88 2d ago

Imagine having trust in the bullpen…and offense…and defense….but trust in the bullpen espically because ouch does our show 😂😅

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u/dmatje Fire Long, Kill Duran, Marry Davis 2d ago

Bullpen was elite in 24 and still fell apart when it mattered along with the offense. 

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u/Bugsly55 2d ago

This is true.

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u/WheelerDealsAgain Wawa please bring back teriyaki sauce 2d ago

Need

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u/ulantan Trea Turner’s Unpaid Defense Lawyer 2d ago

Can we go halfsies

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u/WheelerDealsAgain Wawa please bring back teriyaki sauce 2d ago

We can have shared custody

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

That was a clinic on how you beat an ace. Exhaust him through attrition and then do your damage when he’s tired.

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u/MrsTwiggy 2d ago

Been in a black hole of hurricane isaias recovery and we finally have power and internet! I’ve never been so happy to be sitting down and watching a baseball game.

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u/incognito042620 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

Henderson just pulled a Kerkering

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u/Melwesky 2d ago

Holy smokes

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u/Pedestrian_X-Wing Monty's Angle 2d ago

Dodgers should trade Ohtani.

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u/CrewOutside8690 2d ago

lol so much of this fanbase would be like yeah trade our whole team for him, tired of our choking. We need a winner like Ohtani. 

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u/harbison215 2d ago

Fuck the dodgers. Buying a championship doesn’t always work, and 3 in a row is almost impossible. Fuck out of here

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u/incognito042620 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

I can't lie, I'd really love to see Cleveland or the Brewers win it this year. I respect Tampa Bay but just don't really want to root for them except in the most dire of circumstances

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u/djeeetyet 2d ago

now that the White Sox are out of it, I want to see the Guardians win it all.

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u/DaRealScoobyDoo ColdBloodedBryce 2d ago

Idk if they are getting past this Brewers offense. They also seems to be a streaky hitting team at times and don’t we know all too well how that ends

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u/Electrical_Doubt3024 2d ago

Ramirez is just amazingly effective and fun while doing it!

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u/faithfulllittlebird Toothpick Rik 2d ago

I know he’s had some injuries, but it was still a very uncharacteristically down year for him. Cool to see him bounce back in these playoffs and shine brightest when the lights are on.

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

Holy fuck are the Brewers actually gonna do it

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

If they lose due to 2 errors... insanely depressing and annoying

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u/WheelerDealsAgain Wawa please bring back teriyaki sauce 2d ago

On the other hand. I really do not care if bad things happen to the Milwaukee brewers

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u/incognito042620 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

Look at Jo Jo Romero all grown up now

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u/jhamels Nothing ever good happens after midnight 2d ago

Not mad about it, just don’t understand why they’re running Ohtani out there when he’s clearly hurt and hurting the team.

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u/dmatje Fire Long, Kill Duran, Marry Davis 2d ago

$$$$$$$&$$$$$$$$$

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

We brought the eagles and flyers on ourselves by saying that the Phillies were the most disappointing team in town

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

Great time to be a "I only watch baseball" guy

Well, except for, you know... the whole Phillies situation...

But like I said... everything is going great and fine...

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u/backup1000 2d ago

Go Brewers!

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u/WheelerDealsAgain Wawa please bring back teriyaki sauce 2d ago

I’m rooting for both teams to have such a bad time playing this series that everyone leaves unhappy

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u/NintenJew 我喜欢棒球 2d ago

The best part about high-quality playoff baseball with teams I don't care about is that I can root for whoever is behind and switch allegiances at a whim.

So I always leave happy, and everyone else suffers.

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u/WheelerDealsAgain Wawa please bring back teriyaki sauce 2d ago

I’m rooting for the outcome that pisses the most people off. Which is the dodgers winning on an error in game 7

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u/Basic_Mistake_903 the. bullpen. 2d ago

This is me. I have switched allegiances at least 5x since yesterday

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u/ats1788 2d ago

Can’t believe they left RISP. The Phillies would never

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u/Hothabanero6 2d ago

AFAIK the Phillies have never ...

I can't remember what I had for dinner 😉

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

The Brewers radio ads are hilarious

Brats, cheese, a reminder to drive safely and of course adult diapers

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u/WheelerDealsAgain Wawa please bring back teriyaki sauce 2d ago

That made me chuckle

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u/ats1788 2d ago

Oh let’s go!!

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u/sweetbabyted 2d ago

The Brewers are so damn good

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u/Otterable 2d ago

Lets buy low on Shohei Ohtani as a ploy to attract Sato.

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

Oh great, another bargain bin relief arm for the bullpen.

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u/Gapinthesidewalk 2d ago

This is the same Brewers team that rolled over last year?

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u/dmatje Fire Long, Kill Duran, Marry Davis 2d ago

No this is the 2026 team. 

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u/faithfulllittlebird Toothpick Rik 2d ago

Pshhh….Stott makes that play.

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u/Dapper_Jicama4848 2d ago

Go Brewers!

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u/jhamels Nothing ever good happens after midnight 2d ago

Imagine your ace can’t even get through five innings in October. Couldn’t be me.

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u/skemojoe Robin Roberts 2d ago

He's running out of gas, his location is suffering and the Dodgers don't expand the strike zone (unlike some other team I know).

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u/beau9292 Kruks mullet 2d ago

But he throws 105! Isn’t that super exciting and not problematic at all?

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u/skemojoe Robin Roberts 2d ago

He's here for a good time not a long time!

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u/ats1788 2d ago

Phillies need to take note of Brewers offense

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u/MisterCMC 2d ago

This Dodgers team looks as dead as we did in September.

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u/Hothabanero6 2d ago

modern baseball in practice

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u/Fandomstar88 2d ago

Karma 😂

….But dang it why couldn’t we had faced this Dodgers team last season? 🥲😑

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u/_token_black Will not do free PR for John Middleton 2d ago

You kinda did… Ohtani was ass in that series

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u/WheelerDealsAgain Wawa please bring back teriyaki sauce 2d ago

Rays brewers or brewers guardians might be the least watched World Series of recent history

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u/Strange-Cold-5192 2d ago

Maybe the most interesting one in awhile tho

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

It would be pretty funny going into a lockout where the owners claim they need a cap because they can’t compete with the dodgers tho

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u/spliced447 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

The Brewers are so legit man. The way they actually work counts and stay alive in at bats is amazing. Phillies need to be studying this shit

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u/GuyaneseRumFan123 Andrew Painter 2d ago

At the same time they’ve been making the Phillies look like a sound defensive team all playoffs. Tons of errors in the Padres series and now this shit show.

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u/8thTYRANT Brandon Marsh 2d ago

This game is pissing me off because I KNOW if it was the Phillies, we're already in the 8th inning with Yamamoto at like 65 pitches and no runs. While Wheeler is near perfect but a Turner error allows one run. Phillies lose 1-0.

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u/VideoGangsta 2d ago

We were like the only team to touch Yamamoto in the playoffs last year though

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u/dmatje Fire Long, Kill Duran, Marry Davis 2d ago

I hate how much I enjoy the brewers compared to the Phillies. Still hope the dodgers dugout smells of rutabaga farts. 

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u/cheesesteaksrule 2d ago

The only parts of the game last night that I saw were with the Miz kinda struggling a little bit, glad to see he locked in. 

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u/bartwn52 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

Yea he almost choked in the 4th or so. He got out of a couple that’s for sure. Probably still player of the game material

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u/karawec403 Cyjuan 2d ago

That double play to get him out of the 2nd ended up being one of the biggest plays of the game. He was really struggling, and the top of the order coming up next with bases loaded. Could have turned bad quick.

Whatever adjustments Miz made after that seemed to have worked.

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u/jmiah717 Derek Hill's Hitting Diary 2d ago

Smoltz and Davis must get paid by the word.

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u/incognito042620 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

This half of the inning has been some really outstanding baseball

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u/incognito042620 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

Damn, chased Yamamoto after 2.2

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

Perhaps it's way too early to speak but that half inning against Yamamoto feels like one of those somewhat legendary battles people will reference for years to come

"You gotta go out there like the '26 Brewers and get their ace out in under 3 innings"

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

The only good Sal remains Sal Fasano

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u/faithfulllittlebird Toothpick Rik 2d ago

Sal’s Pals and Fasano’s Paesanos work!

Frelicks Peelicks does not!

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u/faithfulllittlebird Toothpick Rik 2d ago

Man, Rasmussen is slingin that thing tonight.

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u/NintenJew 我喜欢棒球 2d ago

The Phillies Show Opinions and Thoughts.

  1. I've always had trouble expressing my viewpoint on the Arizona fall league since we need to take it with a grain of salt, but Salisbury said it as concisely as possible. You don't face good pitching since many pitchers are out of their allotted IP for the year.

  2. Salisbury believes the press conference delay is just Dombrowski getting all of his points aligned. He theorized the delay may be because Dombrowski is trying to figure out whether Turner is going to the OF and talk to him about it, etc.

  3. Strong indications Mattingly is back as the manager. I don't think I have hated a process by a sports team I follow as much as this managerial search. If I should even call it a search, since it's just Cora, and then, "Well, we have Mattingly here."

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u/karawec403 Cyjuan 2d ago

Trying to hire someone who doesn’t want the job, not considering any other candidates, and settling for the guy that’s just already there. Then doing the exact same thing with the same people a few months later. Such a robust hiring process.

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

It's crazy to so openly show their hand too. It's clear they don't want Don to be manager (or they want to look like they don't want him. But I think it's real. They actually don't want him as manager). They offer the job to another guy twice while Don is sitting right there. Now they're gonna go back to Don and be like "Yes, we openly don't want you doing the job, but we are apparently all out of options. You can keep the job for one season."

I dunno what his contract with the Phillies says he can and can't negotiate on, but it appears he has a say in being the manager or not instead of whatever he was doing before. If I were him and his contract doesn't forbid it I'd be like "The answer is "fuck off" unless you pay me more." I mean the guy is being disrespected publicly in my opinion. If you're gonna be disrespected you have a right to demand to be paid more. I know Don already has generational wealth and his son is nicely set up as well. Still, it's the principle of the thing. If you expect someone to eat shit and be a fall guy you should expect them to demand what they consider fair compensation for the public humiliation

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u/obiwan_canoli Defender of the Phaith 2d ago

That's a lot of wild assumptions based on essentially a lack of evidence, but nevermind, I just saw your username.

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

Excuse me, there are no assumptions in my comment lmao. They don't want Don doing it. That's been reported on a billion times. They tried to get Cora at least twice. Again, reported on.

I will take the compliment on my billionth alt's name though. Unfortunately not my best but also definitely not my worst. It kinda makes me chuckle when I see it and that's all that matters.

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u/Open_Tradition227 Derek Hill’s Toothpick 2d ago

The manager situation has been handled so poorly this entire year. From the leaks to Cora turning down the Phillies twice. It seems like they rarely have a legitimate plan B. Idk how Middleton is okay with this.

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u/OverallPersimmon6786 2d ago

I think a lot of the current issue is the pending lockout. External hires apparently can’t speak to players once it starts so it likely really limited the list. Cora being Dave’s guy probably was one of the few external guys he would trust in this situation but once he turned it down, Mattingly or someone else currently on staff likely becomes the easiest choice due to circumstances

It feels like a big reason why the Mets and Red Sox went the route they went too as well as Arizona keeping Lovullo

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u/obiwan_canoli Defender of the Phaith 2d ago

I wouldn't trust Cora to park my car without taking it for Ferris Bueller style joyride.

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u/OverallPersimmon6786 2d ago

No offense but none our opinions about Cora matter at all

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u/obiwan_canoli Defender of the Phaith 2d ago

That's what I keep trying to tell people

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u/TheGreatDudebino Francisco Renteria 2029 2d ago

The Phillies show (I think or Gelb maybe) spoke to how the lockout staring on December 1 makes hires difficult because of no chance for managers to build relatiosnhips with their new team prior to spring starting and once spring starts you're jumping right into it full go at that point and have a month basically.

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u/Will-from-PA Chooch-oo Train Rider 🚃 2d ago

Calling the manager appointment a ‘search’ or ‘process’ is such a charitable statement that you should be able to deduct it on your taxes.

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u/ghoulbabes1 2d ago

I am hoping they never remove the interim tag from Mattingly, because if you really think about it aren’t all baseball managers interim?

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u/NintenJew 我喜欢棒球 2d ago

Isn't there a saying that you never want to hire a fan favorite as a GM or manager because, 99% of the time, it only ends one way?

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u/ghoulbabes1 2d ago

So which not loved former Phillie would be the best manager for 2027?

Papelbon

Odubel Herrera

Sean Rodriguez

Jake Arrieta

Others

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u/phillienole 2d ago

I’d prefer Arrieta for pitching coach. I think he’d be good at convincing his pitchers that anything bad that happens to them was their teammates’ fault, which will be good for their confidence.

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u/incognito042620 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

I think Odubel is the clear standout choice among this group only because his intellect manages to sit underneath the feet of all these other moral midgets

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u/Apprehensive-Buy4317 2d ago

Cesar Hernandez or aaron altherr?

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u/ghoulbabes1 2d ago

People didn’t like Cesar or Aaron? Not Philly greats but don’t remember animosity.

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u/CrewOutside8690 2d ago

Thanks for this. I’ve seen talk that if they bring Mattingly back, they change some of the coaching staff to say they did something.  I wonder if that includes Long? They could change some of the base coaches or bench coach, but the only ones fans really know are Long and Dickerson and I guess Dusty. So I feel like they have to make changes there since they’re situational hitting and approach and infield defense need work and fans don’t know the rest of the coaching staff. I know those guys are heralded, but sometimes a change is needed. Except Cotham, he’s great. 

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u/NintenJew 我喜欢棒球 2d ago

I have said for a few years now that Kevin Long is a great hitting coach that may not be the best for our team because we need a diversity of ideas.

Unfortunately, I think we're at a point where they have to remove Kevin Long for reasons beyond "baseball." I can't imagine the fanbase will be happy if he is back, and Dombrowski has delayed the retooling and rebuilding so much that he's put himself in situations where the primary factor in decisions won't be baseball reasons, but other reasons. The first time I felt that was with the Realmuto contract, when we legitimately had no other options at catcher, so we couldn't make a baseball decision on that contract (even though I wanted him back).

But if we go with Mattingly, that also has a weird "running it back" sentiment.

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u/Strange-Cold-5192 2d ago

Hearing players and reporters talk about Long makes me think that he’s very good at identifying mechanical issues and fixes, but that the approach he coaches is very, very wrong for this team’s tendencies.

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u/CrewOutside8690 2d ago

Yeah. I used to think that too and I think our fanbase doesn’t realize hitting is more than mechanics. But then there was that tweet about Ben Davis noticed how JT was finishing his swing differently and when he asked him about it, JT was like I didn’t realize. 🤦🏻 I think Kevin Long is helpful to some guys, but he is a bit of a blowhard. 

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u/faithfulllittlebird Toothpick Rik 2d ago

There’s also 1B coach Paco Figueroa. Considering he’s also the base running coach I guess he could conceivably be on the chopping block as well.

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u/CrewOutside8690 2d ago

Yeah I worry they keep Long because he’s Schwarber’s guy and they just gave him an extension and then just like fire the base coaches. Although the third base coach was the Pigs manager and he was not suited for the role. 

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u/karawec403 Cyjuan 2d ago

They’ll probably do something nonsensical like fire Cotham and keep everyone else.

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u/faithfulllittlebird Toothpick Rik 2d ago

Man, if they did something like that I’d be 100% convinced that they had fully adopted a “let’s purposely piss off the people“ objective and were actively encouraging a fan boycott. Lol

No other logical justification for firing the best coach on their staff.

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u/CrewOutside8690 2d ago

Or like keep Long and bring in assistant hitting coaches from teams with the same issues. Like the White Sox who just whiffed their way out of the playoffs or the Angels. 

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u/incognito042620 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

Fox's intro and outtro music slaps

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u/joeco316 2d ago

Sopranos soundtrack

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u/0hioHotPocket 2d ago

The Phillies and the guardians are my 2 favorite teams. So if you don't have a horse in the race I would encourage you all to hop on the Guardians bandwagon. We're a good group and I think we have a likeable roster.

Also:
José! José José José! 🎶

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u/Basic_Mistake_903 the. bullpen. 2d ago

The Guards are likable. I wouldnt mind seeing them in the WS. My gut says Tampa bay will take series fairly easily with their pitching, but definitely would be cool to see the Guards in the WS.

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u/GuyaneseRumFan123 Andrew Painter 2d ago

Bring a Coleman lantern and a radio
A Cleveland game and two fishing poles
And watch with me from the shore
Ghostly steel and iron ore
Ships coming home

Go Guardians

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u/obiwan_canoli Defender of the Phaith 2d ago

I'm pulling for you. Cleveland has effectively been my AL team ever since I fell in love with Hammy on the radio.

I might even be planning a trip out to the corner of Carnegie and Ontario next July...

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u/Pedestrian_X-Wing Monty's Angle 2d ago

Hamilton is great. I was listening the other night and he praised Franzke and CBP.

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u/obiwan_canoli Defender of the Phaith 2d ago

Yeah, I heard that too. Sounded like he must've gotten a text from Scott listening from his backyard or something.

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u/ats1788 2d ago

Ugh fuck off Dodgers

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

Holy fuck these Brewers!

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u/Electronic-Price2138 Ryan Howard 2d ago

hype for this to come in, its getting nippy out

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u/faithfulllittlebird Toothpick Rik 2d ago

What am I looking at….hooded sweatpants?? Lol

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u/Electronic-Price2138 Ryan Howard 2d ago

A hoodie, upside down. It’s 2x

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u/faithfulllittlebird Toothpick Rik 2d ago

I know…I was just kidding cuz the pic is upside down. Looks awesome.

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u/Electronic-Price2138 Ryan Howard 2d ago

i gotcha, thanks! been on the hunt for second hand 2x phillies hoodies lol this was the best i could find so far

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u/Known_Upstairs_7807 2d ago

It would be so funny if the Phillies didn’t hold an end of season press conference until after the lockout ends in May

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u/IceClear6344 2d ago

Does Tampa Bay even have fans? There are so many seats still available

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u/faithfulllittlebird Toothpick Rik 2d ago

Last Rays fan I saw was sitting on a curb crying outside The Bank in late October 2008.

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u/faithfulllittlebird Toothpick Rik 2d ago

I wonder if other teams have inquired about trading for Caleb Cotham? Considering how much success/growth our pitching staff has shown under his tutelage, I’ve gotta believe he’s somewhat coveted throughout the league. I’d be curious to know what kind of compensation the Phillies would expect in return should a situation such as this arise.

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u/ats1788 2d ago

Was just watching Schwarber’s best moments of 2026 on MLB app 🥲

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u/NintenJew 我喜欢棒球 2d ago

I just finished working out, and someone told me it was silly to wash the bottles you use to make your protein drink.

I have never been this upset with the Phillies, since I usually work out at home with the Phillies on. How am I going to look this man in the eyes again?

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

Potentially massive error with how low scoring these games are...

If it were the Phils suddenly deciding to make errors when they normally don't I'd be losing my mind. I almost trust the Brewers to make it up... maybe...

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u/RainingMoneyHustard Jordan Romano 2d ago

Henderson out there looking like Trea Turner

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u/djeeetyet 2d ago

I'm glad to see all who has caused us strife suffer this postseason: Braves, Dodgers, Cubs, Rays, Mis.

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u/harbison215 2d ago

Imagine having a 2-0 NLCS lead and then blowing it… to an inferior team no less. God Philly is fucking annoying

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u/dmatje Fire Long, Kill Duran, Marry Davis 2d ago edited 2d ago

Wow I was repeatedly told by the giga minds in here that elite relievers pitching two innings or more than two on back to back days is impossible. 

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u/clitterati 2d ago

the difference is that ashby is used to pitching multiple innings

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u/Fandomstar88 2d ago

Go Brewers!
The White Sox got eliminated…so the Brewers are the other team I’ll cheer for now.

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

TB choking hard. Game is becoming a circus

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u/Electrical_Doubt3024 2d ago

Ramirez absolutely believes in chaos ball.

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u/_token_black Will not do free PR for John Middleton 2d ago

It’s actually cathartic watching these 4 teams play baseball because they all run laps at how the Phillies approach the same game

Also an indictment on Middleton’s approach to the team given that 3 out of the 4 have a fraction of the payroll and much deeper teams

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u/incognito042620 Cristopher Sánchez 2d ago

Didn't realize LAD-MIL was even on right now; I saw 5:00 and 8:00 and automatically assumed it was 5:00 and 8:00 in my time zone, not youse guyses

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u/Hubris-Manifested 2d ago

TB already up with 2 runs

I give less of a shit about Cleveland losing but... Ohio... yeah they gotta lose

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u/ulantan Trea Turner’s Unpaid Defense Lawyer 2d ago

Fuck the Brewers and the Guardians

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u/ats1788 2d ago

We want the Brewers to beat the Dodgers though

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