China's Memory Maker CXMT Used Stolen Samsung Tech to Skip Years of R&D, Former Engineer Testifies

[u/chusskaptaan]

https://respawnfirst.com/chinas-memory-maker-cxmt-used-stolen-samsung-tech-to-skip-years-of-rd-former-engineer-testifies/

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[u/Gold_Goal7557]

Samsung deserves that for all the price fixing they have done in the past and doing right now.

[u/satans_trainee → u/Gold_Goal7557]

Fuck Samsung! Fuck Micron! Fuck SK Hynix!

[u/Itemblock → u/satans_trainee]

what about sandisk ??

[u/_MrBond_ → u/Itemblock]

Fck em too! In particular.

[u/Expensive_Shallot_78 → u/_MrBond_]

Stocking gaze sort attempt tidy nail unique head

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[u/_MrBond_ → u/Expensive_Shallot_78]

I would let him fck you. 😊

[u/Loxe → u/_MrBond_]

Just say fuck. It's alright to cuss on the internet.

[u/admiralbuttscratcher → u/Expensive_Shallot_78]

He only got iPod mini.

[u/InsipidCelebrity → u/Expensive_Shallot_78]

He is pain in my assholes.

[u/FReal_EMPES → u/_MrBond_]

Fuck em all!

[u/jasikanicolepi → u/_MrBond_]

What about Seagate and Western Digital.

[u/JK_Chan → u/Itemblock]

Well fuck them but WD also has the lowest rates of failure in datacenters so that's kinda cool (source: I read it multiple times so uhh it's probably true? Someone factcheck me pls)

[u/aimy99 → u/JK_Chan]

Fuck datacenters!

But WD hasn't let me down on my own PC so that's been good.

[u/Any-Mathematician946 → u/aimy99]

Hey, it's Fuck AI datacenters we need datacenters.

[u/VeryNoisyLizard → u/JK_Chan]

did some research on enterprise disks a while ago and between WD, Seagate and Toshiba, WDs seem to have the lowest failure rate

they also bought Ultrastar which is what WD Golds basicly are today

[u/ABotelho23 → u/Itemblock]

Owned by WD.

[u/comcastsupport800 → u/satans_trainee]

Chino XL fuck you too

[u/ConsistentStand2487 → u/comcastsupport800]

To this day I still have no idea who pac was beefing with.

[u/ArtichokeHot5368 → u/comcastsupport800]

My 4-4 make sure all your kids don't grow

[u/Outrageous-_- → u/ArtichokeHot5368]

Take money

[u/OphidianSun → u/Gold_Goal7557]

Samsung is a cyberpunk nightmare of a company that's running the entire country of south korea into the ground. Whatever they've got coming to them they probably deserve it.

[u/Zrkkr → u/OphidianSun]

Being 20% of a countries economy is crazy.

[u/Atompunk78 → u/Zrkkr]

For a while just them and SK Hynix were 50% of the country’s market cap (stock wealth) lmfao

[u/Atompunk78 → u/[deleted]]

Ahh market cap, that’s the word I was looking for, thank you! I’ll edit my comment

[u/kconfire → u/Atompunk78]

because of leverage. not anymore

[u/Atompunk78 → u/kconfire]

Of course, but it’s still insane

[u/kconfire → u/Atompunk78]

I agree. Can you imagine for example Nvidia and Apple taking 50% of entire stock market cap of the US? It's INSANE

[u/DonutHoles4Ever → u/Zrkkr]

Haha 20%.

Samsung and Hynix are worth more than 50% of their stock market.

The joke is if you want to get laid on a date, you wear a Hynix jacket. Think about that.

[u/VeryNoisyLizard → u/Zrkkr]

they also have SK Group, Hyundai and LG, making about a half of Korea's GDP

basicly, Korea is in the hands of these four corporations

[u/WettWednesday → u/OphidianSun]

Arasaka

[u/ezodochi → u/OphidianSun]

This is a comment I see all the time from westerners and I find it funny because Samsung faces major competition in pretty much every field they're in. In semiconductors they're in competition with SK Hynix, phones? Apple. Consumer electronics? LG in Korea but also GE, Philips, various Japanese brands.

They've lost multiple court cases in recent history. They've lost entire industries (Samsung used to be heavily invested into making it in the car industry and then Hyundai beat the everlasting shit out of them now Samsung just imports and sell Renaults). They're not this all powerful shadow government family you westerners love to make conspiracy theories about and shit.

Also I love how westerners and foreigners use the chaebol system to pretend like they're more superior, as if they're economies aren't controlled by basically like 5 banks, 4 tech billionaires, and 6 private equity firms. At least we know the names of the billionaires in Korea, do you know who runs Goldman Sachs and controls more parts of your life than even your parents?

[u/johnnielittleshoes → u/ezodochi]

People don’t even know BlackRock exists

BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street are known as the "Big Three" index fund managers. Together, they manage over $30 trillion in assets, hold major stakes in roughly 88% of S&P 500 companies, and completely dominate the global passive investment and ETF markets.

[u/pioneersky → u/ezodochi]

I think you are thinking of this of an attack on Korea rather than someone calling out shit that they call out in the west as well. Do we need to end all critiques with the list of all other critiques we have?

[u/ALeX850 → u/ezodochi]

Is this a USdefaultism post?

[u/gurgle528 → u/ezodochi]

Goldman Sachs is publicly traded lmao, I do agree with your overall point though 

[u/longinuslucas → u/Gold_Goal7557]

Samsung stole technology from TSMC in the past too.

[u/Spifflar → u/Gold_Goal7557]

Didn't Samsung get their start by absconding with Sony's R&D? Is turn about fair play here?

[u/xXDamonLordXx → u/Spifflar]

Even if it's not fair as a consumer having more competitors in a space is better for me. Why should I cry for the corpos who don't give a flying fuck about me.

[u/Spifflar → u/xXDamonLordXx]

Exactly. We shouldn't care. Loyalty to people, not soulless corporate entities.

[u/VoidOmatic → u/Gold_Goal7557]

Seriously they are at it again. The fucked over millions of people by artificially increasing ram prices for TVs back from 1998-2012.

[u/dathislayer → u/Gold_Goal7557]

My first thought was who TF cares? They're just trying to build the case for preventing import of their product to the US.

[u/AU5T1N → u/[deleted]]

True, I’ve also seen Japanese engineers at Chinese auto shows studying and taking measurements of the EVs over there. Those trade shows are pretty wild lol

[u/poney01 → u/AU5T1N]

We all do it... those are normal and legal things. Car companies even send each other cars, and those that don't take part, we go and rent the car for a few days, study it, give it back. And that's in Sweden.

[u/DonutHoles4Ever → u/AU5T1N]

Most gamers have no clue about economies and stufff.

China's biggest strength is consolidated centralized manufacturing. They can make cars at half the cost and sell it for even less. Thats why their cars are banned in the US for example. They'll fuck over every American car company because American cars are dogshit and overpriced but Americans dont really get that they are paying 5x the cost for a car just as good as a Chinese made one.

The problem with Japan is that Toyota and others invested too much into Hydrogen cells. They should have stuck to EV and Hybrid. Their executives are getting too old and are too stupid to know where the music is going.

[u/andr386 → u/[deleted]]

Reverse engineering is perfectly legal as far as I know. I think what is alleged here is spying and "stealing tech". Given how Samsung behaves nowadays I have no love lost for them, fuck Samsung.

[u/Adventurous-Try8749 → u/andr386]

It's a little more complicated than that. Imagine paying a Chinese manufacturer to build your product you designed and spent time and money researching and developing.

That manufacturer then bypasses all that, and sells the specifications and secrets to another company, or just decides to setup an identical plant. They might or might not choose to sell that product in China only, or they might not.

If you can reverse engineer something, and start selling it, without running afoul of patents, then fine. That's free market capitalism. But grabbing insider knowledge, and recreating the product, from within a country and system and encourages this theft, is another story.

I personally think we've sowed what we reaped, by moving manufacturing out of our country, so that we can make stock number go up in the short term.

[u/andr386 → u/Adventurous-Try8749]

I clearly assumed my bias. I know what they did is morally reprehensible. But as I"ve said I have no lost love for Samsung, SK Hynix or Micron and their price fixing antics. Yes it's bad but abusing a monopolistic position is also bad and if there could be competition in RAM, and memory that would be a welcome market correction.

[u/Piltonbadger → u/Adventurous-Try8749]

The first mistake is trusting your product to another entity/country, especially if you don't want it being reverse engineered.

[u/oompaloompa465 → u/[deleted]]

USA companies do it all the time by poaching talents or buy out and dismanling competition  

[u/melbourne3k → u/oompaloompa465]

USA companies do it all the time by poaching talents or buy out and dismanling competition  

FTFY. This is what they all do.

[u/yobwerd → u/[deleted]]

That Dr. Perky is looking extra refreshing

[u/Javad0g → u/yobwerd]

Dr. Perky gives me a Dr. Becker

[u/chiku00 → u/[deleted]]

Wait, is this image for real?

Not that I have paid attention to branded drinks in a long long time.

[u/Mortarious → u/oompaloompa465]

But when a company in my country does it then it's good and smart.

When a company from another country does it it's immoral and despicable.

[u/Jisoooya → u/Mortarious]

Well when Trump commits tax fraud, he’s being smart but when I commit tax fraud

[u/Dionegro__ → u/Jisoooya]

Well when trump fucks kids, he becomes president, but when.... wait he's also on the epstein files!?

[u/Hot_Version9817 → u/oompaloompa465]

Fuckers tried to patent turmeric and neem for fuck sake. They'll steal and build, call out others who try to do the same.

[u/IdristheInt → u/Hot_Version9817]

What is neem?

[u/UnionCounty22 → u/oompaloompa465]

So they pay for it and not straight up steal got it

[u/UlaanBanter → u/UnionCounty22]

What do you call what Amazon does to startups, mom and pop businesses?

[u/MDStevo → u/UlaanBanter]

Wholsale slaughter. They are paying me good money at this exact moment but FUCKKKKK Amazon…

[u/theeama → u/UnionCounty22]

One mans theif is another mans robin hood or some shit

[u/oompaloompa465 → u/UnionCounty22]

when they poach talent is not stealing because they pay the ones who write the laws

when they go the monopoly route they steal from consumers 

[u/WhiteSkyRising → u/UnionCounty22]

Ah, yes, the USA. Well known for paying and not stealing and or using force.

[u/Fox-Flimsy → u/WhiteSkyRising]

Oh yes we are THE model country, ask all the Central American countries, Iraq , Iran, Afghanistan, etc

[u/random_handle_123 → u/UnionCounty22]

You don't "steal" ideas. Just like you don't "steal" copies of digital media. 

[u/notsocoolguy42 → u/UnionCounty22]

In many cases they also pay for it, like the case of Nexperia, just that even when they paid for it, the government (in case of the Netherlands) straight out ousted them and took over the company back by force, the company that they bought.

Like if paying for shit doesn't mean it's yours, why pay for it?
if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.

[u/security_threat → u/[deleted]]

Good for them. Good for everyone.

[u/Last__Dawn → u/[deleted]]

Ip is retarded to begin with.

You sit for 3 seconds and figure out how to make a sandwich. Big brain Subway like figure: No, we are the chosen who can only do this.

[u/Drumheller18 → u/Last__Dawn]

That might be one of the dumbest things I’ve read all week, and a complete misunderstanding of how IP laws work.

[u/PersistentWoodpecker → u/Last__Dawn]

I bet you’re the kid to show up on presentation day on a group project after being MiA all semester and expect full credit. IP is the only thing that makes sure R&D spent is recouped, thereby providing any incentive at all to spend money on anything innovative.

[u/AintNoGodsUpHere]

lol, let's pretend China is not doing the exact same thing since forever.

I don't give a flying fuck where they got the tech from, just sell some stuff with normal prices again.

[u/SQU4RE → u/AintNoGodsUpHere]

it's not gonna help us at all, they're just going to do the same thing & keep building out monster data centers. this is the new race to the moon, the first one to build the better AI wins the world

[u/PeachMan- → u/SQU4RE]

I don't think prices will go back down to where they were, HOWEVER, anything to relieve some of the pressure is good in my opinion. If CXMT can start making some competitive RAM and stop the prices from continuing to increase, that's a win.

[u/gianmk → u/PeachMan-]

CXMT are selling their rams at same price as the big boys. Its just a big collusion party and we are footing the bill.

[u/Cruxis87 → u/gianmk]

when the news came out they were going to do this, people genuinely thought they were going to flood the market with cheap ram.

[u/pendelhaven → u/Cruxis87]

it's pointless to sell the ram cheap because scalpers will just buy them out and resell them at market price.

[u/TrashBandicook → u/Cruxis87]

when the news came out they were going to do this, people genuinely thought they were going to flood the market with cheap ram

And they will. DRAM plants aren't something you can just click the build button and have it up and running overnight. I know it's hard to believer, but DRAM is no less a commodity than any other out there. It's subject to supply and demand. And CXMT shouldn't have too many issues catching up to Micron in capacity.

[u/Pooled-Intentions → u/gianmk]

For now. Then when demand is met? It’s a Mexican standoff right before a race to the equilibrium price.

“Bottom” is the usual quote but it might give people the idea I mean “cheap”.

[u/SirNedKingOfGila → u/Pooled-Intentions]

The demand will never be met. Not until long after your ability to own compute power is long dead. Data center hardware gets torn up extremely quickly. Even sustaining one requires a constant stream of new hardware.

Meanwhile personal computer companies are going out of business. While GPUs and RAM are out fucking off with crypto and AI guess who has been taking enormous losses? Corsair. Thermaltake. Gigabyte. If you find a RAM chip somewhere in the future good luck buying a motherboard to put it in or a power supply to run it.

Look guys, we had a good run.

Yesterday computers were owned by corporations and were as big as a house and you had to rent time on them.

Then for a brief few decades we had PCs and it was beautiful and fun and ultimately fleeting.

Tomorrow computers will be owned by corporations and will be as big as a house and you will rent time on them.

[u/Yvese → u/SirNedKingOfGila]

This is a silly take. The capex isn't sustainable if they can't make money off it. They will learn this sooner than later, if not already.

It's possible it's just sunk cost at this point and they're just playing musical chairs until the music stops and they're all trying to be the last one.

Mark my words, there will be a crash and they will be bailed out. That is 100% the plan. We are long overdue a big recession or worse, and with the US' debt at 40T and climbing with no plans to reduce spending or increase taxes, this could be the big one.

[u/foolish_shrimp → u/SirNedKingOfGila]

None of this AI stuff is profitable, it doesn’t make people more productive and even although it's being sold at a loss, users complain about the price.

This specialised, very densely packed AI hardware, maybe it's useful for game streaming? or supercomputer work, I just, can't see this replacing the mean average computing task. Adobe could buy a bunch of space and use it to offer an all in one Creative Suite with compute package? but uploading all your files is going to take forever for the target audience.

The people who need a PC to do basic office work, it's just not something that could ever need cloud computing. If the basic box exists and like, the concept of creative industries exist, higher end PC's will too.

[u/LuckyPlatypus5052 → u/PeachMan-]

Their RAM is competitive for sure, sometimes even better than western brands. It’s also priced at a higher premium because why would they sell for cheaper an ultra-high demand product that’s better than what their peers offer?

They are relieving supply, but not lowering prices. And they won’t lower them until a massive surplus of useless chips gathering dust in shelves is generated. We are many years away from that.

[u/PeachMan- → u/LuckyPlatypus5052]

Adding to the supply does lower prices (lower than they would have been without the added competition, that is). Y'all need to take an economics class.

[u/faciepalm → u/SQU4RE]

Not really true, the Chinese government will support cxmc in order to reduce its ram price to the consumer below what is physically capable for other producers. It'll do that until the other producers can no longer compete and shut down, though that may take them a long time. China wants control of the world through economic means and becoming the sole supplier of technology is just one way of doing that

[u/Legal_Lettuce6233 → u/SQU4RE]

Demand is never infinite. Once it dwindles down, another competitor is good for us.

[u/acadia11x → u/AintNoGodsUpHere]

cXMT actually is charging more

[u/Fortune_Cat → u/AintNoGodsUpHere]

Cxmt is not going to flood the market with cheap ram. They may slightly undercut the big boys but they are 100% going to milk that fat margin while its hot. Then as supply overcomes demand and capex reduces the prices will slowly come down

[u/n00bca1e99 → u/AintNoGodsUpHere]

China? Stealing other's tech? Say it ain't so!

[u/OphidianSun → u/n00bca1e99]

Everybody is trying to steal everybody's tech. China is just really good at it.

[u/PhTx3 → u/OphidianSun]

Are we really going to pretend Samsung, with all their divisions and shit, don't steal from competition? And no company broke any IP laws to train AI?

It just goes to show you how stupid IP laws are and how it doesn't actually help humanity progress or make things accessible. These companies don't give a fuck about individual persons, we don't need to fight their battles.

[u/Cruxis87 → u/PhTx3]

Bro literally says everyone is stealing then you come along and ask why people think Samsung isn't stealing.

[u/GuyOnTheMoon → u/AintNoGodsUpHere]

China saw how OP it is to steal stolen tech after learning from the Europeans when they colonized the world with the compass, printing press, & gunpowder.

[u/longjumping-aoili → u/AintNoGodsUpHere]

Yah and let's not pretend all the other major powers didn't do the same when they were on the up and up

[u/Smol_Crate_45]

[u/Maxisss92 → u/Smol_Crate_45]

[u/Mors_Umbra]

1. Not surprised in the least.
2. > ITC could issue a blanket ban blocking those products from entering the U.S market

If they aren't allowed in the US market wonder if that would ease supply issues for everyone else... or compound them as US would be taking a larger share of the other manufacturers...

[u/throwingtheshades → u/Mors_Umbra]

I fully support the blanket ban of those products from the US market. In fact the US should ban all RAM not manufactured in the US.

We here in Europe are prepared to stand tall against the flood of cheap Chinese RAM. We'll take the hit and shield the Americans from it.

[u/begujo → u/throwingtheshades]

Thank you for your service 🫡

[u/vikster16 → u/throwingtheshades]

We Asians approve this plan. Dear Americans, don’t use these copycat dimms. They are no good. We can test them and take care or them.

[u/XysterU → u/throwingtheshades]

You had me in the first half

[u/theeama → u/Mors_Umbra]

As someone not in the US market, more for me

[u/Kooky_Awareness_5333 → u/theeama]

You don’t think there will be pressure I’m in Australia and I’m sure they’ll force us to follow suit or get new tariffs.

[u/KEMSATOFFICIAL]

Don’t care. More chips. More chips. More chips.

[u/HotPotParrot → u/KEMSATOFFICIAL]

Honestly, same. Corporate espionage/subterfuge/theft toward other corporations is the only way to counter corporate espionage/subterfuge/theft toward the rest of humanity.

[u/zackks]

https://giphy.com/gifs/7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB

[u/zIRaXor → u/zackks]

Me exactly, so besides the ethics, I don't care.. anyway what does this mean for me? Will I still get cheaper ram?

[u/Random_182f2565]

https://giphy.com/gifs/l2RsBwQxFPXUvXmi0u

[u/Gorostasguru]

At this moment we don’t care just bring those prices down.

[u/LoganN64 → u/Gorostasguru]

This is the real correct response!

[u/Jonas_Venture_Sr → u/Gorostasguru]

You guy think that the same forces that are driving up prices in the west don't exist in China?

This shit is a race to come out on top for AI supremacy, and you better believe that China is throwing everything they have at it.

[u/WoozyJoe → u/Jonas_Venture_Sr]

I just don’t know why I should care about any of it at all.

As a non-wealthy American, literally none of the benefits of America theoretically winning the AI race would trickle down to me. Stocks soaring or collapsing, businesses booming or bursting, whatever. Either I get laid off due to my company going bankrupt or I get laid off for a short term boost to this fiscal quarter’s numbers.

Bottom line, I smile a little any time any company gets fucked. Good.

[u/GracchiBros → u/Jonas_Venture_Sr]

I think the more good memory that can get produced the better.

[u/June1994]

Standard industry practice.

https://www.afr.com/politics/japans-turn-to-have-secrets-stolen-19880524-k2t5j

Many children here don’t know shit.

[u/Any-Calligrapher2866 → u/June1994]

Building off existing tech is quite literally the backbone of human innovation and has been for thousands of years. Ain't nobody was gatekeeping fire behind IP laws.

[u/Euruzilys → u/June1994]

Beening industry standard going back long too. US stealing UK's loom tech back in 1800 or something. And great! It should keep going.

[u/Dalewyn → u/June1994]

Thank you. Samsung and Gold Star LG and friends all didn't bother with the absolute expenditure that was R&D because "we'll just use their (Japan's) tech and reap the profits!". They're just getting a taste of their own medicine now that the turns have tabled.

[u/Resident_Pientist_1]

Who cares, that's samsung's problem.

[u/StruggleNew8988]

It really is a global free for all.

[u/EnigmaSpore → u/StruggleNew8988]

Always has been.

It’s like a tribe back in the day saying, you cant use these new arrow tips i created… only i can!! Dont even try it mister. I’ll sue your ass!!

[u/CyberSmith31337]

I don't believe half the people in this thread are human.

"Honor" amongst tech companies? We're weeping over lost intellectual property from the biggest memory cartel on earth? The same cartel raising prices by 500% in a year?

Holy fuck, wake up you dumbasses. I don't care if they steal every single technical innovation ever created if it means displacing American business practices. I'm absolutely not going to shed a single tear if NVIDIA, Microsoft, or any of the AI companies get right and proper fucked; on the contrary, I am hoping they do! Whatever forces them to drop their prices. It's like not American corporations play fair, either.

[u/AccNumber77 → u/CyberSmith31337]

This, there are so many chuds sucking off the rich that are breaking the law to price gouge the entire planet. They need to get their head out of epstein's asshole and wake the fuck up to the reality of the crimes they are enabling with their support of the cartel.

[u/Informatic1 → u/CyberSmith31337]

It’s amazing how many people don’t need even need to be wined and dined before being fucked by American corporations

[u/bwrca → u/CyberSmith31337]

Best case scenario is all the memory and chip tech leaks and there's a bunch of manufacturers... We wouldn't have been seeing the current Ram prices.

[u/enzob7319]

https://giphy.com/gifs/10hvUFWkQEmoCs

[u/metron556]

Based, fuck these price fixing parasites

[u/UlaanBanter]

Oh suddenly people care about theft.. not when Scam Saltman was ripping off from everybody else.

[u/DarnitDarn]

no way!

https://giphy.com/gifs/6nWhy3ulBL7GSCvKw6

[u/ARES_GOD]

Good fuck Samsung.

[u/jferments]

Here it goes: corporate media trying to soften up everyone's brains to get them in support of banning Chinese RAM for "intellectual property theft". Keep those prices high!

[u/Kyohaku98]

Samsun has currently formed yet another cartel with Micron and SK Hynix.

That's as criminal, if not worse.

[u/MHMabrito]

Who cares? The corporations are being greedy, fuck em.

[u/MythicForgeFTW]

If it means breaking up the cartel, then I'm okay with it at this point. Fuck Samsung.

[u/Dragonfist2255]

Good! screw samsung and rest of memory makers screwing us regular customer with their price fixing

[u/Sibidi]

I don't mind at all

[u/Hot_Shot04]

And Samsung/Google/Micron/etc did the same to Netlist. The whole memory industry is scummy.

[u/InvMars]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nY6G7GzMaCPuU5yPev

[u/jirgalang]

Who the fuck cares? As long as the price bubble is popped and memory prices come down, I'm good. The only people who care are anti-China trolls and the Koreans getting $500k bonuses. Fuck them, simida.

[u/iamapizza]

My heart bleeds for the price gouging predators

[u/Zeausideal]

In the end, all companies steal from each other, and if that means RAM usage will decrease, I don't care.

[u/ducationalfall]

Samsung deserves that for paying their engineers like shit.

[u/cursorcube]

Good, i hope they steal even more

[u/Ilikeporkpie117]

China steals western technology

I other breaking news: Water is wet

[u/vargchan]

As a consumer, who cares? More competition is good for us.

[u/I_spell_it_Griffin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/J8FZIm9VoBU6Q

[u/CoconutMochi]

Samsung doesn't have much room to complain considering they did the same thing with TSMC some years ago.

[u/IntrovertMoTown1]

Is there any tech China hasn't stolen? Saying they play fast and loose with intellectual property and property rights in general is the understatement of the millennia.

[u/andr386 → u/IntrovertMoTown1]

They've stolen everything they could. But lately they've also created tech nobody else has. There are plenty of places with rare earth materials but everybody is sending them to China to process them. They have the best battery technologies in the world and they have plenty of very advanced manufacturing techniques for solar panels and everything else that nobody else in the world has. My point being that they also innovate. And trying to copy them is not easy, even if we didn't respect patents and copyright.

[u/UlaanBanter → u/IntrovertMoTown1]

Let's just say it's up there but on the opposite spectrum with patenting food and trying to pass laws that claim people don't have fundamental rights to water.

[u/ciera22]

Fuck the cartel

[u/sadboyoclock]

I support China. We need RAM prices to come down now

[u/CharAznableLoNZ]

Good, they deserve it.

[u/N3RO-]

Great, whatever is needed to fuck these memory companies and bring price down!!!

[u/Cheap_Kick_7369]

Samsung's been price fixing RAM for years so honestly my sympathy is pretty limited here.

[u/johuad]

don't really care considering that's how half of these companies were doing things in the early days. AMD only exists because they used Intel's designs, etc, etc.

also fuck them lol. I have no sympathy for any company that buys into the AI grift and ratchets up prices on consumers.

[u/Infected_Toe]

Yeah, somehow I don't feel bad for Samsung.

[u/moodygradstudent]

China and their stolen IP, what else is new 🙄

Also, fuck Samsung.

[u/nametaken_thisonetoo]

Good. I hope they get product to market asap and make a fortune. Fuck Samsung

[u/CrossBamboAtTen]

As a consumer, not my damn problem

[u/PentiumDos]

Funny how people now care about R&D copyright when AI just steals everyone elses shit in the first place

[u/NytronX]

Good. Samsung Micron and SK should be brutally ripped off by China and they need to flood the market with supply.

I hope CXMT steals the specs for DDR6 and launches DDR6 before the three aforementioned scam companies do.

[u/DaManD123]

I don't care. Give us more ram.

[u/Gangaman666]

Stealing from greedy corrupt price fixing companies just make China's memory companies look like Robin Hood.

Now if china flooded the market with cheap consumer memory, that would make them legends.

[u/AdLatter3755]

https://giphy.com/gifs/7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB

[u/Distantstallion]

China has been stealing IP forever, it's not a new thing

China's electric car industry was built from taking secrets from companies that decided to manufacture their cars in china

[u/iEatGlew]

Isn’t this what China does for everything????? That’s why they have shot up so fast in a lot of industries

[u/brainmydamage]

........ no shit, that's China's entire business model and it has been for decades. They don't even pretend to try to hide it. Why are people acting like this is some sort of huge revelation?

[u/Excel_Document]

so do samsung and other tech companies just looking at the amount of stolen tech lawsuits would be enough

[u/Kingdarkshadow]

Is this supposed to make us sad?

You shouldn't make fixed prices.

[u/howfastcanyoucountit]

Good lol

[u/MrBarnaclePhD]

That's OK. The AI companies that are stealing all of human creation in order to train their AI models, need more RAM, so clearly law doesn't mean jack shit anymore.

[u/DelphiTsar]

Tech company buys a small player who's tech could build whole new industries...Snooze.

Two oligopolies merge but pinky promise to not raise prices, or degrade quality(*Not not legally binding). We'll even do this one thing for a couple of years for sure!

Algorithm's automate illegal price fixing...Snooze.

Companies build off foundational tech paid for by our tax $$'s...Snooze.

Companies leverage buy out a company and pick it apart, raising prices/degrading service...snooze.

China STOLE IP TECH! They are going to make it so much cheaper!...RIOT!

[u/HyperAorus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB

[u/artofbullshit]

Who cares? As long as it drives prices down. Samsung deserves every bit of this.

[u/MyModemIsSlow]

China's R&D is cheap labor. Greedy ass companies line their pockets and lose their tech. Good. Idiots.

[u/Mortarious]

Cry me a river

[u/5u114]

Sounds good to me.

[u/TRUEequalsFALSE]

Color me surprised.

[u/SchmeckleHoarder]

When you use every single manufacturers factory to make your goods this happens.

Ask TCL and Hisense why there TVs are all of suddenly, not ass. I mean there still trash, but there knock off Samsung TVs, which are trash by design. So here we are. Buying trash.

[u/rostol]

https://giphy.com/gifs/EClkor8zYeOvs9StMN

what? you say there is this "industrial espionage" and the chinese did it ?

wow. who knew.
so shocked. surely this is the 1st time this has ever happened.

[u/Babosmarach666]

LIONS

[u/synthwavve]

Inb4 let's ban them and hike the price even higher

[u/Fortevening]

I genuinely dont care anymore. These companies do this all the time anyway, and they will ratfuck anybody without a second thought. I couldnt care less if China takes their shit and pumps it out for way cheaper. All I hope is its of passable quality.

[u/UltraCynar]

Honestly, good. Samsung with their price fixing. This is karma. 

[u/ProduceNo1629]

Of course they did.

There are tens of thousands of them in universities and companies around the world stealing intellectual property.

[u/HammerOn57]

Insert Jeremy Clarkson gif here