r/news • u/PretendAd1963 • 1d ago
Florida to execute a prisoner who killed his cellmate in hopes of getting a death sentence
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-execute-prisoner-killed-cellmate-hopes-getting-death-sentence-rcna6031593.9k
u/Swagcopter0126 1d ago
Wow the death penalty really worked as a deterrent here
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u/TimothyMimeslayer 1d ago
Fun fact, in the past, suicidal people would kill children in hopes of getting executed because suicide was an unforgivable sin and murder wasnt. They chose children because the children were innocent and would go to heaven.
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u/Tea-acH-Cee 1d ago
Well that wasn’t a very fun fact.
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u/stockshelver 1d ago
Really? That was the theme of the next cruise I was going on
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u/Hi_Im_Dadbot 1d ago
Hey, better than having a bunch of Disney characters wandering around.
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u/sephtater 1d ago
Woody’s soulless eyes can’t see you! Woodys soulless eyes can’t see you!
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u/SutterCane 1d ago
You hear a knocking on your cabin’s window.
Slowly you leave bed and tip toe to the window.
As your hands start to slide the curtains open, your brain finally wakes up and you remember your cabin is on the outside of the ship and your window faces the ocean…
But it’s too late, Woody sees you.
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u/AdCreepy5165 1d ago
His name is Woody and his eyes are the part your worried about?
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u/JCarlide 1d ago
Much like the Xenomorph warriors and drones, he doesn't need his eyes to see, he's going in hat-first with no lubrication.
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u/uttertoffee 1d ago
Often they chose children because infanticide guaranteed the death penalty whereas murder of adults might just get a life in prison. For example Christina Johansdotter
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u/mhornberger 1d ago
Basically you'd better pick a child or a pretty white woman. Chose the broke black guy or the Native American woman? Your odds of the death penalty aren't good.
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u/TheArmoredKitten 1d ago
In certain towns, they would have just made you a cop
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u/CelestialFury 1d ago
"What do you mean I'm HIRED??"
"Yeah, yeah. Here's your badge and gun. Work starts at 8."
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u/well-filibuster 1d ago
That's a dark comedy opportunity with someone killing off minorities and homeless in hopes of getting the death penalty for themselves, but they keep getting acquitted because the town/jury is so racist.
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u/EngineersAnon 1d ago
Twisted version of The Cop and the Anthem? Right before the credits roll, he changes his mind, but then gets arrested for an old capital offense he's forgotten about?
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u/CelestialFury 1d ago
The murder of an adult did not always lead to a death sentence, but the murder of a child always did, and after having confessed and repented their crime, even murderers were forgiven for their sin. She therefore decided that she would do this, confess, repent and be executed, and finally see her fiancé again, and thus they would be reunited in heaven.
God, when Christina got to heaven after murdering of child for the sole purpose of getting executed: Oh geez, you got me! I really should've closed that loophole 2000 years ago.
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u/Mixer-3007 1d ago
Fun fact: the movie The Devil’s Bath is based on similar premises. The main character believes that killing herself would condemn her soul to eternal damnation, so she decides to kill an innocent boy and receive absolution for her sins in church before her execution. The community turns her death into a public spectacle. People collect and drink her blood, after her had chopped off, because of the belief that the blood of executed criminals could cure illnesses, including melancholy. The film is based on a historical monograph by Kathy Stuart about the phenomenon of suicide by proxy in Germany.
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u/Lord_Tsarkon 1d ago
If it worked for Darth Vader, then it can work for anyone. Kill innocent children and repent on your death bed/ground and go to Jedi Heaven
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u/TryJezzoWhyNot 1d ago
I listen to a lot of atheist livestreams where they talk to Christians and other believers in supernatural beings and woo woo. And, let me assure you, the idea that children are innocent and go straight to heaven making them justifiable targets of a god or his followers, is scarily present and quite widespread out in the world.
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u/BoleroMuyPicante 1d ago
It's how they justify god killing all the firstborn in Egypt instead of, you know, killing pharaoh and the slave drivers instead. "Children are innocent so they went straight to heaven! 😇" Ma'am you have to see how that's worse right?
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u/Rezart_KLD 1d ago
And yet somehow, children being divinely innocent doesnt get you out of confession as a kid.
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u/BoleroMuyPicante 1d ago
Catholics don't believe in childhood innocence, it's why they baptize babies. It's more of a protestant belief.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 1d ago
My mother was shocked to learn that babies are things that cry and howl even when they're not hungry or wet. That common game of throwing a toy out of the crib and crying until an adult tosses it back in was apparently me deliberately torturing her for fun.
Because you see, babies are innocent angels sent directly from god and filled only with love, and therefore I must've been born evil.
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u/TryJezzoWhyNot 1d ago
Or the Amalekites. Or the Canaanites. Or the children of Sodom and Gomorrah. Or all the children
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u/imjustnotready 1d ago
Don't you love how pious some people are? They follow the logic to a fault.
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u/buckao 1d ago
That's religion for ya. It can help people justify anything
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u/MiaowaraShiro 1d ago
What's the quote? Those that can be convinced of absurdities can be convinced to commit atrocities?
Something like that anyway...
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u/MiaowaraShiro 1d ago
This is why teaching people absurdities is a bad idea... what this person did was utterly logical, but based on a lie.
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u/TonyDavidJones 1d ago
It's not really that logical. To be forgiven you have to genuinely repent. And if your whole plan was I'll just kill a kid and then say sorry later, you probably weren't actually that sorry, I'd assume.
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u/BearThatLikesCheese 1d ago
Presumably, in this scenario, they would kill the child and repent earnestly while waiting for execution. That's completely logical.
By your reasoning, a person who sells their body to pay the rent was not remorse for their choice. Or a person who steals food to feed their family. Both are sins. Both are conscious choices made to serve another means. Clearly killing a child is a much more severe crime, but if their reasoning is sincerely execution to avoid Hell, then it's just as forgivable as the other examples.
I actually think situations like this show how important the concept of limbo is to Christianity. It allows for an all-forgiving deity while at least somewhat addressing the logical loopholes and lack of nuance.
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u/MiaowaraShiro 1d ago
I wouldn't be surprised if they thought they could... Christian dogma is nuts.
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u/KarmaticArmageddon 1d ago
Aren't you automatically forgiven just by believing in Christ? Isn't that the entire point of him dying for our sins?
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u/alexgieg 1d ago
That's how Protestants in general interpret the text. For Catholics, Jesus's death on the cross cleanses people of Original Sin, but not from other sins. Cleansing those other sins requires additional steps.
If the person dies without having those other sins cleansed, they believe, the person goes through Purgatory, which is basically hellfire but for a limited amount of time, rather than for eternity. Once purgatory finishes burning those other sins, the person enters Heaven.
They also believe purgatory cleansing takes a lot more time and hurts way more than whatever it takes to get those sins cleansed while alive, so putting effort into it here and now by doing boatloads of confession, penitence, praying, charity works etc. results in a much better bang for the buck. As in, a decade of suffering trying to do good here presumably reduces one's stay in purgatory by centuries.
Also, if one cleanses sufficiently while alive, to the point there's no leftover requiring purgatorial fire at the moment of death, one goes straight to Heaven. People who manage that are the ones Catholicism calls saints.
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u/XennialBoomBoom 1d ago edited 1d ago
Most of what you say is right, but that last point is incorrect. To become a saint, one has to perform
a miracle witnessed by at least two othersone or two miracles depending on whether the person is a martyr or not. I don't remember what the other requirements are but it's a long process that goes all the way up to the Pope to be granted sainthood.Also, I thought purgatory was no longer a thing (as of Vatican II), but I might be confusing that with limbo - where unbaptized children go - which I'm certain is no longer a thing.
Source: Catholic school (Have been an atheist since 5th grade)
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u/Parrotparser7 1d ago
If we're treating it as an if/then statement:
Mainline Protestants view it that way.
Catholics have more conditional elements, so it's always in the air.
Reformed Christians just see it as someone having both the antecedent and consequent both evaluate as "True" or "False" for any given individual, with the evaluation of the proposition being a mere formality.
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u/YanikLD 1d ago edited 1d ago
As long as baptized. Otherwise, the limbo. But at that time, you had to be very badluvky to find one. (typo from autocorrect... damn this thing sucks!🤦)
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u/KetchupIsABeverage 1d ago
So if a depressed priest drowned a kid, would this still count?
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u/Ok_Kiwi8365 1d ago
I’m no theologian but I believe the baptism becomes effective in the moment of immersion. In that case, the drowned person would be baptized and spiritually pure.
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u/Mikeavelli 1d ago
I like to assume Booker DeWitt did go to heaven at the end of Bioshock Infinite.
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u/meDeadly1990 1d ago
Isn't doing something because you hope it will get you killed still just suicide?
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u/matthieuC 1d ago
Jehova witness until very recently refused blood transfer.
Including for their kids.
Hospitals routinely got an injection to do it anyway.
The parents usually didn't protest. They're happy their kid get to live and it was out of their control so it's alright.Apparently God is a sticker for rules, not intent or result.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 1d ago
My mom didn't always pick up on subtle social clues, so she fully believed in that bit to the point my first wallet was only given to me so I could keep a signed No Blood card in it when visiting my dad and doing semi-dangerous work with livestock.
When I was 20yo, she died from basically extended blood loss in a fully stocked modern hospital with robots and everything. Had made a real point of beating it into my head that if I ever overrode her wishes on that, she'd feel like I raped her, that exact phrasing.
Wasn't until much later that I started adding up facts and was totally horrified to realize that my mom would've been totally fine letting me die for her stupid cult beliefs.
Though now I gotta wonder what she would've thought about their recent rule changes. That she died for nothing after spending years wrestling me into dresses all because god mutters or whatever.
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u/clojac12345 1d ago
yeah but back in the day suicide meant you were going straight to hell but murder could be forgiven and being executed meant you weren’t the one to off yourself … it doesn’t make sense but that’s just kinda how it was
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u/QuickAltTab 1d ago
Good thing God never went to accounting school I guess, because that's just a stepwise transaction that even a novice IRS agent would easily flag
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u/Gekokapowco 1d ago
People trying to "trick" God's supposed rules is always amusing
like intent doesn't matter so long as it isn't a sin on paper, fascinating logic
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u/BeneficialInside3901 1d ago
I’m no theologian/pope but if all this religion stuff is real I assume this wouldn’t work as, being an all knowing god (or maybe St Peter?) they would know this is actually just a roundabout way of committing suicide therefore straight to hell! But maybe choosing innocent children that go to heaven versus condemning someone who may have later repented counts for something?
Hmmm if you murder someone and they would’ve otherwise repented in an alternate future, do they get a pass? What if the child was gonna grow to be a monster and now gets in for free… 🤔
That’s some biblical depression though, to go around murdering children to get someone else to kill you. I suppose we have easier access to death these days but it’s pretty crazy to think about.
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u/clojac12345 1d ago
kinda along the lines of the mormon belief of “soaking” or the jewish belief where they have a wire strung up over the city so they’re still “inside” on the sabbath.
I’m of the opinion religion was just formed as a way to try and get people to behave more ethically as an all powerful god or deity would punish you and that’s supposed to be more intimidating than say a king as they’re just a person or the law since the government is just people.
Now that’s not to say I don’t believe in a higher power, because I do but applying logic to most religions and their beliefs highlights a lot of holes
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u/Leading_Substantial 1d ago
Remember this is the same god that Jewish people think can be fooled by some clever workarounds. Evidently he’s not all knowing or all present.
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u/finlandery 1d ago
What i hav understood its more like (s)he is bored as fuck and likes to play games by rules and see how we monkeys find some loopholes
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u/Leading_Substantial 1d ago
To be fair if I was a god I’d fuck with humanity too. Eternity gets boring real damn quick
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u/justgetoffmylawn 1d ago
We are all god's cellmates I suppose - maybe (s)he is just trying to find a way out.
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u/FierceTierce 1d ago
I imagine it’s similar to “soaking.”) I imagine they think that if they’re not “actively doing the action” it “doesn’t count as a sin?”
Some crazy mental gymnastics
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u/SubstantialPressure3 1d ago
Where did you find that fact?
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u/Over_Bake_9084 1d ago
The phenomenon is known as "suicide by proxy"
https://lettersandsciencemag.ucdavis.edu/bookshelf/suicide-proxy-early-modern-germany
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u/genericusername_5 1d ago
There is a horror movie about it. If you are interested in watching a very disturbing film!
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u/BringBackAoE 1d ago
England imposed the death penalty for pickpockets in the 1500s, with public hangings.
First public execution drew a huge crowd - and hundreds of audience members were pickpocketed.
Death penalty isn’t an effective deterrent. Desperate people will still commit crimes. And with crimes of passion - which murder often is - the perpetrators rarely reflect on consequences until after the crime is committed.
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u/KarmaticArmageddon 1d ago
Not only is it not a deterrent, but it can often exacerbate crimes.
If the penalty for rape or child molestation is death, that just incentivizes the rapist to kill their victim. They'd get the same punishment either way, so why risk leaving a witness?
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u/Practical-Shape2325 1d ago
Same with why attempted murder is a lesser sentence, we want to incentivise stepping away.
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u/TheKnightsTippler 1d ago edited 1d ago
Also, juries would often let off people they knew to be guilty or downgrade their charges, because even back then a lot of people weren't comfortable condemning people to death for theft.
It's partly why we ended up moving away from the Bloody Code.
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u/BringBackAoE 1d ago
Very true.
It’s also why many nations lowered the sentencing for rape. Juries were way more reluctant to
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u/wasmic 1d ago
A much more important reason for moving away from the death sentence for rape is that if someone has committed rape, and are already potentially facing the death sentence if they get caught, then the logical thing is to murder the victim since the punishment is the same and it lowers the risk of getting caught.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 1d ago
For many prisoners, they would rather die instead of face life in prison.
Its another reason Im opposed to the death penalty. For some, its a preferred option. Let them rot and think about what they did for the rest of their lives.
Plus its more expensive to execute someone than to keep them in prison their whole lives.
And, it gives the chance someone can be exonerated if they are innocent.
Theres no real good argument for the death penalty other than people like violence and see it as justice.
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u/Great-Trifle2810 1d ago
They simply should allow anyone incarcerated for any significant length to opt into it.
That said not executing him would just mean he tried something like this again, and if he wanted to die and this path was not available he likely would have instead started an altercation with staff to provoke a lethal response.
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u/irwinlegends 1d ago
I'm starting to think the US prison system might be really lacking in mental health services.
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u/Jrock2356 1d ago
I work at a prison. The state I live in shut down a majority of their mental health hospitals and because of this criminally insane people just get thrown into the maximum security state prison which is where I work. We have inmates who desperately need mental health treatment but prisons aren't designed for that. I am security. I am to make sure they aren't to hurt themselves or others or escape. My priority as a guard isn't to treat them. Which is totally right because I'm not a mental health professional. My point is you don't ask a mechanic to do surgery on a cat. You get a vet. Prison systems all over the country are asking us guards to be paramedics and counselors and security and therapists and whatever else. Some inmates need to be in a place where they are mentally treated because if not they show up at my work fucking a cuff port until their dick is mangled and then they smear shit all over their cells while swallowing a pack of batteries and razors. It's awful
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u/chatminteresse 1d ago
Prisons, healthcare, and education should not be for profit entities. It creates too much incentive to raise prices and population served without providing necessary support services.
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u/VaderH8er 1d ago
I was on vacation and met a woman near the pool that was a therapist at a prison. She said one day she watched a woman who was having a mental episode dig her eyeballs out of her skull with their fingers. At a later appointment she complained that she couldn't see anymore.
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u/Jrock2356 1d ago
Yeah it's absolutely crazy the shit these people do to themselves. At my prison the criminally insane are in the best units that are AC'd and have their own yard and visiting area and are constantly with therapists and other trained mental health professionals but it just isn't quite good enough. They still sometimes chop up their dick or jerk off to nurses when they pass by. Even if we did have all the resources at our disposal the issue is that our entity can't force them to medicate without a court order that takes awhile. And the meds require consistency to be effective. So inmate gets off his meds, smears a swastika on his wall with shit, we get a court order, wait like 3 days, finally get the ok, try to get him to take it willingly, he refuses, we spend hours putting together a planned use of force team to force him to take it, we do it, and then the next time he doesn't take them we do it all over again. Which could very well be the next night. Our hands as a prison are completely tied
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u/Chutneythelizard 1d ago
Kind of seems like something you guys should really be working harder on. Not treating the prisoners but demanding from management that there are better conditions both for you and them. Let's be honest nobody's listening to them. You the only ones who can do it
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u/theroyalwithcheese 1d ago
And get accused of being an "inmate lover," become subject to multiple phony investigations, get singled out, and consistently get put on fucking terrible assignments over and over? I don't think so. I advocated to my leadership to stop harassing and torturing the inmates and you know what I got in return? Several months on rover duty, not even being let back in the facility to use the bathroom. MONTHS. I can't tell you how many times I had to piss and shit on the side of a road because of those motherfucking people. You know what happened when I went to HR? I was transferred to a different facility where, of course, I was put on a different rover for months on end. At least I got to use the bathroom if I needed to in an actual bathroom.
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u/TheSaxonPlan 1d ago
This is so awful and I'm sorry that you had to go through this. We really are in the bad place.
I didn't think it was so radical an idea to always try to treat people humanely, regardless of what they have done, but I guess it is.
I'm sitting here thinking about how one would go about trying to improve this situation but I don't see public will being any friendlier than your management. 😬
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u/Jrock2356 1d ago
The conditions aren't the issue. They are mentally ill. No prison condition is going to be good for them or us they need to be in a mental hospital getting treated. Our state officials refuse to force criminally insane people to take their meds so we're stuck treating them like other inmates for the most part. That's not a management thing that is a statute thing
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u/Hot-Meat-11 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm starting to think the US might be really lacking in mental health services.
That's more accurate.
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u/wegqg 1d ago
I'm starting to think the US
prison systemmight bereally lacking inmentalhealth services.That's more more accurate.
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u/Kitakitakita 1d ago
oh no we have great services
if you can affort it
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u/Hot-Meat-11 1d ago edited 1d ago
And the people who can afford it are the ones who "need therapy because (they) feel unfulfilled with their lives." They can easily get an insurance company to pay $150/hr. to hire someone 4-5 hours per month to listen to them complain about their boring, well-paying job, conventionally attractive yet dull wife, average teenage children, and perfectly anodyne 3500 sq ft. suburban home.
But, the ones who barely function or hold down a job with insurance because of crippling substance abuse issues, anxiety and depression stemming from C-PTSD? The ones who are always one more trauma from completely shutting down, self-harm or worse?
Yeah, fuck 'em. They need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, right?
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u/Dreurmimker 1d ago
The entire US healthcare system is lacking in the mental health department.
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u/darsynia 1d ago
The impression I get is the attitude of 'mental health services are a privilege that these degenerates don't deserve.'
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u/bigladnang 1d ago
If you watch police bodycam videos I’d say like 90% of them are just people that are drug addicts or mentally unwell, and it always ends up being that they resist arrest and get like 3 felonies, put in jail for 6 months then set back out to reoffend because nothing was resolved.
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u/RidetheSchlange 1d ago
The entire US is mental, is proud of it, and proud of essentially limited mental health services.
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u/Snipers_end 1d ago
If he waived all appeals why did it still take 18 years to carry out the death penalty?
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u/OpusDeiPenguin 1d ago
There are people and organizations who stall and appeal death penalty convictions without the involvement of the convicted. The legal system is also very slow and deliberate to hopefully prevent an innocent person from being executed. In the past this has not always been the case.
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u/b-cereus 1d ago
That’s wild, never heard of that. How do they establish standing without the actual prisoner’s involvement or approval?
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u/Feisty-Driver-1263 1d ago
Good question... Do they file on behalf of everyone on death row somehow or everyone in the state or something?
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u/Sahir1359 1d ago
The process is deliberately slow to hopefully ensure an innocent person isn't executed.
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u/The199Man 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is not the first time this has happened.
An inmate wanting out of a life sentence and seeing the only way as doing something to get the death penalty. And then saying in court “I want to be found guilty and I want the death penalty.”
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u/squeezethesoul 1d ago
On Oz, when Lemuel Idzik kills Omar White because Omar wouldn't kill him and he hoped that killing Omar would give him the death penalty, they just threw him in Solitary Confinement for the rest of his days.
I guess they're just giving into what the prisoners want in Florida when it's in the most extreme circumstances like this one.
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u/Pastel-Cheetah 1d ago
Just had an argument with a friend the other day who argued that the death penalty is a deterrent to crime. I told them there’s no statistics to back that up but he didn’t seem to care; maybe showing him this might change his mind, lol.
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u/Short-Waltz-3118 1d ago
What is an effective deterrent is the threat of seeing any punishment, not the level of punishment
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/five-things-about-deterrence
Or in other words, someone is much less likely to commit a crime if theres risk of getting in trouble for it... at all. Regardless of how much trouble.
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u/BLOZ_UP 1d ago
Surprised that page has survived this admin, they are notoriously allergic to research that strays from their views.
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u/David_W_ 1d ago
They just haven't figured out the right AI query to flag that particular page yet.
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u/TheRealistoftheReal 23h ago
If the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, like receiving probation for a rape with no jail time, the cost / benefit ratio begins to lean towards the crime. Same as shoplifting and slap on the wrist prosecutors.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 1d ago
My father once explained exactly how we could steal from his employer, the state lottery, and get away with it.
Then he explained the math problem used to determine if a crime is worth doing, which included the odds of getting caught and punished. What the punishment actually was somehow wasn't factored in, just the odds of getting busted.
The lecture ended with explaining that we wouldn't be stealing from the lottery because we'd need an unrelated accomplice and the only one he could think of was likely to get greedy, insist on more money more often and end up getting us caught.
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u/Vepariga 1d ago
this is why not many people in history were strapped to the end of a canon, one look and everyone would think 'yeah fuck that' be good.
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u/PigFarmer1 1d ago
There are plenty of statistics that show that the death penalty is not a deterrent.
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u/RidetheSchlange 1d ago
A lot of people who get life actually want death penalties because of the belief their conditions are much better.
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u/DavemartEsq 1d ago
They’re not. At least in FL they aren’t. Considering you won’t get executed for at least 15 years, those 15 years will be much more tolerable if not spent on death row.
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u/d_smogh 1d ago
I thought death row inmates get a single occupancy cell? Much better than sharing.
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u/irwinlegends 1d ago
The lack of human interaction is a form of torture to some people.
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u/According_Tea_6329 1d ago
Very true. Some people can handle it well. I actually prefer being alone. Many do not and even if you think you do years in isolation has a way of changing that.
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u/DavemartEsq 1d ago
They do but they don’t have contact with anyone. They are isolated 23 hours per day. They can’t go to the prison library, they can’t participate in classes, etc. They don’t get access to the phones the way other inmates do. They are heavily restricted.
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u/hanr86 1d ago
fun fact: Japanese death row doesn't even let the prisoner know until the day of execution. How dreadful is that?
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u/KaleScared4667 1d ago
Facts. Oregon abolished death row and the people with death sentences were pissed. Lost all their privileges.
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u/International_Goat31 1d ago
"As punishment for murdering another human being we shall give you exactly what you want! No negative consequences! That'll teach you!"
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u/godsenfrik 1d ago
In other news, US to publicly execute radical islamist murderer who refused a lawyer in hopes of receiving a public execution.
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u/fluffysmaster 1d ago
So he waived his right to appeal but it still took decades for him to get a death warrant? That system is so broken...
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u/KindToSpiteTheCruel 1d ago
This is probably an awful and uneducated take but… why don’t we let people with life sentences and death sentences take their own lives?
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u/-Saucegurlllll 1d ago
Because that's giving the state an incentive to pressure prisoners into committing suicide.
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u/YamiZee1 1d ago
I think anyone with a life sentence should be allowed to make a request for an execution.
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u/radiantbutterfly 1d ago
I ponder this myself, but it also seems like it could result in a situation where prison employees decide to make someone's life miserable until they "consent" to execution.
Or something like, "We're hearing reports that conditions are inhumane, but if the prisoners were really that unhappy they could just choose to die so there's no problem here."
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u/YamiZee1 1d ago
I guess they should also be allowed to make formal complaints about mistreatment then
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u/Linenoise77 1d ago
Its an interesting thought problem. Even in the states we have plenty of places with some form of legal assisted suicide (under the right context).
And if we are allowing people to consider it when they are facing a long, slow mental from something like altheimers, or cancer, how is that different than someone saying "i'm going to be locked away for the rest of my life, that is going to mentally destroy me"
Lets say you allow it. Would the medical community as a whole accept that as a "Ok, we can assist now"?. Could the state arguably say, "Your crime was SO bad we aren't going to give you the easy way out?"
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u/ClockworkDreamz 1d ago
Well.
As our system focuses on it being a punishement I suspect that they don’t want people taking the “easy way out.”
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u/Representative-Pop72 1d ago
Life in prison is the punishment. You don’t get to decide how you get punished and when it stops
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u/YamiZee1 1d ago
The purpose of a punishment is to correct behavior. A punishment that lasts until you're dead is just torture
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u/AlternativeScratch94 1d ago
What is the ridiculous stuff you're spewing. Correcting behavior is one reason for punishment, there are others. For example, a large reason for criminal punishment is to prevent revenge and vigilantism. If you don't lock up a child rapist what do you think that victim's family is going to do?
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u/Cetun 1d ago
Allowing it for prisoners would basically open the door to allowing it for normal citizen. The Christian right has some weird morality in that allowing people to end their life is because of the Bible so we should not allow it, but also executing people is good and should be preserved as an institution. In all fairness it seems like the Bible is actually pro-execution even though ironically their savior was executed himself. Arguably Jesus committed suicide because he either allowed what he knew was going to happen go forward or he orchestrated what happened to him on purpose for some devign reason.
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u/bergskey 1d ago
If you're serving life in prison without parole, you should be able to "opt-out" of your sentence and be executed if you choose.
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u/Gekokapowco 1d ago
right, at that point there's no attempt at rehabilitation, basically the prisoner is sticking around for their own reasons, maybe they still want to write or talk to someone or think about things or keep up with current events. The prison is just keeping them alive for the sake of keeping them away from society or as retribution for their crimes, which is grotesque.
If they want to clock out, humanely, it sounds valid to me. Nobody should be kept in a zoo with no method of release.
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u/Subject-Dealer6350 1d ago
I could see myself doing the same. 50 years in hell with no reason to live or step into the void.
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u/CarthageGotBambozled 1d ago
As someone who worked in a maxinum security prison for 5 yesrs...im sure there were a few subtle signs. Like him probably telling the COs and other offenders exactly what he was going to do lol.