r/memes • 🍕Ayo the pizza here🍕 • 21h ago

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u/Nozarashi78 Thank you mods, very cool! 21h ago

Isn't the Naria one an adaptation from the actual main books? Iirc The Magician's Nephew is the 1st book, while The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is the 3rd

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u/abadminecraftplayer Lurker 21h ago

It's a prequel. The first book released was The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe.

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u/mukisan 21h ago

Seeing as they chose TMN as the first movie, it seems they wanna go in chronological order

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u/abfgern_ 21h ago

Are they actually committing to doing a full series? I wasn't sure

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u/Sphiffi 21h ago

It’s Netflix, so who knows

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u/y0urd0g 20h ago

Which means It will get one season and then get cancelled because It “Did not meet our expectations.” In other words, it is going to be good, but it won’t be the insane groundbreaking super success that they want.

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u/mukisan 20h ago

It’s a movie

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u/joethelumberjackmc 19h ago

i'm still so fucking mad about KAOS. that was a great show

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u/BehemothRogue 18h ago

Eh, I'm glad they cancelled the live action Cowboy Bebop.

Shit was pure slop.

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u/jacowab 18h ago

The political Arabian horse drama movie is going to go so hard

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u/Ezethrell-4 17h ago

I too can't wait for "A Horse and His Boy" to be adapted as well since they skipped book 3 the first time around

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u/mukisan 21h ago

I would hope so. If this movie makes enough money, they’ll want to continue

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u/LeJewBringer 19h ago

Teenage Mutant Ninja, missing on T for turtles

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u/mukisan 19h ago

Lol I also thought this when I typed it

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u/kyleliner 18h ago

What makes him mutant?

...he's magic

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u/IvanTheAppealing 17h ago

At least it’s an adaptation of an actual book instead of… whatever the hell Rings of Power was doing.

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u/ThatAlarmingHamster 21h ago

It's one of the great literary debates. It's first chronologically, but "The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe" was published first.

Should they be ready Chronologically or Publication Date? Big split in the fan base.

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u/Lempea 19h ago

Release order is the way for any universe. Each new installment is released for people who already know the universe. Take Star Wars for instance. If you watch the films in chronological order, you get spoiled Vader's origin.

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u/informalmo0se3 18h ago

everything exists in the context of what came before it. publication/release order is always better for anything with multiple installments

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u/horizontalducks 17h ago

I agree though everyone know's Vader's origin at this point - its so culturally saturated that its hard to not know. A bit like the Sixth Sense as well.

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u/Ok-Delivery1077 17h ago

I don’t know anything about the sixth sense

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u/horizontalducks 17h ago

Quick watch it now before you do.

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u/LoneElement 15h ago

Agree to disagree 

It’s always what the creator says that should be followed, not release order 

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u/lrd_cth_lh0 20h ago

Or to put it simple, the magicians nephew is a prequel that was released much later.

the bigger question is if the origin story for Jadis in nephew is a retcon or the conflict between her origin story in Lion witch and wardrobe in the one in the prequel is the result of in universe unreliable narrator. Although it is possible that the people in Jadis world or atleast the royalty is really descendant of Lillith.

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u/Robot_boy_07 20h ago

Same can be said about metal gear solid

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u/Very-Diligent-Pirate 19h ago

Lewis said chronologically. Case closed.

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u/EvilPete 19h ago

He was wrong, in my opinion. Case reopened 

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u/Samakira 17h ago

About what? Considering he wrote the books, so you mean that actually, narnia is named gershie-fork town?

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u/informalmo0se3 18h ago

he barely said that. more like he said read them however you want. 

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u/nathtendo 20h ago

Much like star wars you watch it in order they came out, because the ones made after already take into account that the audience will know certain aspects of the story and hence you need to write it in such a way.

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u/larsK75 20h ago

That is generally true but less for Narnia.

I read the magicians nephew first and it wasn't an issue. It works well as an introduction and I would argue the different tone is a bigger issue then any knowledge it might require or twists it might ruin. There is a reason they publish it chronologically know. It genuinely works both ways.

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u/FireLord29 15h ago

It fecken is. There's like 7 books about Narnia. In Magician's Nephew You can read about how Narnia was created and where the witch came from I don't remember the others except the last one where The Narnia ends. Like, completely. The characters from the first three parts die in a a train accident and their souls get transferred to the Narnia's heaven. And, (Warning, mega spoiler!) In the last sentence of the book Aslan transforms. We don't know into what.

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u/Slinky_Malingki 11h ago

TLTWATW is the second book chronologically. The Horse and His Boy is the third book, and the most unique in the sense that it happens 100% in the same universe as the realm of Narnia and is told from the perspective of a young boy from that world. It takes place during the reign of the two kings and two queens after the end of TLTWATW, before the end of the first movie.

TLTWATW was the first book to be written though, but the Magician's Nephew is the first book chronologically.

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u/massivebawbag 20h ago

Its the firat chronological book but not the firat written. Problem is modern sets of the books put them in chronological order instead of the release order. This tends to confuse people into thinking magicians nephew was the first book

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u/BoiFrosty 18h ago

When I read the series it was placed in chronological order.

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u/Nyxot 21h ago

The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is the first book.

The Magician's Nephew is a prequel and it's the 6th book.

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u/switch2591 19h ago

Chronologically its the 1st book of the 7. Publishing-wise it was the 6th book of the 7.

But most i portant of all - its a book which never got a film of tv adaption. The 2000s adapted (publishing order) books 1-3. In the late 80s/early 90s the BBC adapted (publishing order) books 1-4.

Publiahing order, books 5-7 have never been adapted to screen - books 5 and 6 messed around with chronology (book 6 being chronologically book 1, and book 5 being, sort of book 3) so it may have been a case of being able to retsin the cast, before book 7 brought everyone from the previois 6 books (except for Susan) back.

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u/L0CZEK 21h ago

It is no more of a first book than a flashback is a prologue

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u/xtr44 21h ago

it actually is, some modern editions even have it as 1st

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u/ripyourlungsdave 18h ago

It was released 6th in the succession of books, but it's a prequel.

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u/BoiFrosty 18h ago

It's the first chronologically, but it was one of the last ones written by Lewis.

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u/Lazerbeams2 Dark Mode Elitist 17h ago

The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is book 1. The Magician's Nephew is a prequel and there's another prequel later in the series called A Horse and His Boy, but that takes place after The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. It's more of a prequel to Prince Caspian

The Magician's Nephew is a perfectly acceptable place to start, but the people working on the show have shown open disdain for the source material and have created their own original version of Aslan totally unrelated to the book

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u/NiagaraThistle 16h ago

Magician's Nephew is the 2nd from last book published (#6 i think).

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u/DonSol0 15h ago

Holy shit the comments on the YT trailer lol

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u/Patient_Gamemer 21h ago

Huh?! More Narnia movies announced?! Let's fucking go!!!!

(for reference I read all 7 books when I was a kid and though scandalous they only adapted 3. Well, not so surprising since a few of them were basically about a holy war against an Arab-like nation but you know)

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u/Yoribell 21h ago

Yeah the movies didn't feel like a right end.

So.... how does it end? I'd like to know but I won't read it and I don't trust new adaptation nowhere near enough to want to avoid being spoiled

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u/MadAsTheHatters 21h ago

The ending is...thematically satisfying, if not necessarily child-orientated.

This just from what I remember so take it with a grain of salt but A donkey is tricked into impersonating Aslan and tricking the inhabitants of Narnia into rebelling, the heroes essentially lose the finally battle against Time as everything is destroyed in a flood (all very Old Testament) but the idea is that a new Narnia will eventually form in it's place. The 'New Narnia' is supposedly the one that was always meant to exist, more perfect and, for want of a better word, divine.

The more controversial part is that the kids (although they're much older, both in Narnia and the amount of time that's passed in the real world) return home to find that they've been killed in a train crash...or they return then die in a train crash? I forget the details but it's a very wipe the slate clean ending, which certainly sticks in your head, even if it's not exactly fun.

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u/ChickenMccZoe 20h ago

It's Peter, Edmund, Lucy, Eustace, and the Pevensie parents that get killed in the crash. Susan is not killed and is "no longer a friend of Narnia" because she's essentially too interested in makeup and boys.

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u/laxnut90 20h ago

Susan's fate is left unknown.

She is not dead. And the other characters acknowledge she may eventually find her way back to Narnia.

Susan essentially represents the regular person who may or may not ultimately find the right path.

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u/--Alix-- 5h ago

I think Lewis wanted to make one more work about Susan specifically but then he passed. Could be wrong though.

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u/EvolutionInProgress can't meme 21h ago

The way you described it, almost seems like the author is saying we need to start this world over from scratch, but using Narnia as an example.

Or maybe a message about history repeating itself as it has over and over in the past.

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u/tandemxylophone 20h ago

It's supposed to be a Christian allegory. Aslan is Jesus, and the young children go to heaven for their good deeds. The one that survives didn't earn their place yet, so they need to live longer in Earth, the boundaries of heaven and hell.

The author is excellent at writing and I did oversimplify his position, so I wouldn't complain about certain endings not being up to modern standards. He simply couldn't fit everything into a small cohesive story if he delved into every single character's complex journeys.

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u/laxnut90 20h ago edited 19h ago

A lot of people complain about Susan not arriving in Narnia.

But she is still alive. Her ultimate fate is deliberately left ambiguous to represent all regular people who are still alive.

The implication is that everyone has the opportunity to find Narnia and Susan may or may not eventually get there herself.

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u/EvolutionInProgress can't meme 20h ago

Thank you for that. It's been forever since I've seen the movies.

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u/thegimboid 19h ago

All the Narnia books are just retold Christian stories or allegories about belief in the Christian god to some degree.

The Magicians Nephew - Genesis.
The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe - The Jesus cross story.
Prince Caspian to The Silver Chair - various allegories about belief and coming to Christianity.
The Last Battle - Revelations and the end of the world.

You can read them without getting those at all, but they're all intentionally there.

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u/two40silvia 19h ago

Dang. I loved those books as a kid. But I absolutely do not remember that ending at all.

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u/SpudgeFunker210 17h ago

They essentially all go to Narnia heaven in the end, though, so it's not like they just die and that's it. The Last Battle is basically the book of Revelation, featuring Armageddon and the end times described in the Bible. The new Narnia mirrors the New Jerusalem from Revelation that God will create along with the new Heaven and Earth. Susan represents an apostate because she claims that Narnia never existed and she never returns.

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u/Patient_Gamemer 21h ago

Tbh It's been like what? 15 years? I know that after the voyage of the Dawn Trader Lucy and Edward (was it his name?) are too old to go back to Narnia back Eustace comes back with another girl in "The Silver Chair", which I recall being rather good

Then we have another book taking place during the Pevensie's reign in the souch to introduce Calormen (the evil arabs) and the Magician's Nephew, which is the origins story (and basically the genesis).

Finally the Last Battle is that, an apocalypse where lots of side characters die and all the previous protagonists are called back to Narnia a la Avengers.

I recall the youtube channel "Lost in adaptation" talking about those books and yeah, in hindsight they go full catholic prechyness

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u/Witch_King_ 19h ago

I really love The Horse and His Boy, despite the silly Arab caricature. It is the most grounded of all the books imo. And generally the least preachy/allegorical from my memory.

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u/DuncanCant 21h ago

There was a BBC adaptation that covered TLTW&TW, Prince Caspian, The Voyage of the Dawntreader, and The Silver Chair. I have fond memories of watching the boxset growing up, but I couldn't say whether it still holds up 😅

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u/Patient_Gamemer 21h ago

Where can I watch it?! For academic purposes, you know

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u/ConciousReward 19h ago

It’s on Youtube, just search “The Chronicles of Narnia BBC Full Series”. There is a playlist with all episodes.

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u/DuncanCant 20h ago

As I say, we just had a boxset when I was growing up After a quick Google it looks like there's no official distribution, but full eps have been uploaded to YouTube.

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u/ConciousReward 19h ago

Was that the one with the 2D animated creatures? If so, I remember watching TLtW&tW on DVD.

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u/NinjaarcherCDN 18h ago

I watched the Silver Chair because I had an itch for it after re-reading the books. It was a great adaptation.

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u/chemistry_god 10h ago

So, the BBC adapted almost all of them (not the horse and his boy I think?) Decades ago but those movies made some...choices when it came to costume and design. I watched a few in school as a kid and had nightmares about the human-sized beavers with very moist red mouths that were reminiscent of blood.

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u/SpeakNowAndEnter 10h ago

BBC did a TV series that only did 4 of the 7 books. There have been no screen adaptations of Last Battle, Horse and His Boy, or Magician’s Nephew (until now!)

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u/littlebuett 19h ago

basically about a holy war against an arab-like nation

You and I read A Horse and his Boy and The Silver Chair very differently

The Last Battle... maybe? Though that's more about an Arab-like nation's holy war against Narnia, not the other way around.

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u/SpudgeFunker210 17h ago

Netflix is doing an adaptation series, but deliberately removing the biblical themes from the story. I think they said they're casting Tilda Swinton as Aslan or something like that. People aren't going to be happy about it.

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u/thesalmonbowl 17h ago

got a source on that (cutting out the christian themes)?i cant find anything confirming that

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u/Inevitable_Reward823 20h ago

Wheel of time should be up there too.

Goddamn director decided to film his Fanfic instead of the storylines from the books.

Couldn't even finish the first episode.

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u/Ithinkibrokethis 20h ago

So, there is a big difference between adapting a story and rewriting it. Wheel is way to big, even on a book by book basis, to do a fully faithful adaptation. Every book has an index that reminds you of who each person is.

That said, Judkins decided that wheel was to problematic to adapt faithfully and so he just didn't bother. I was on board with Sandersons "different turning of the wheel", much like how Stephen king said some dark tower adaptions are different iterations of Roland's cyclical quest.

However, you can't just undermine core story beats and concepts that isn't adapting, that is rewriting.

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u/xtr44 21h ago

if someone is to be stopped, it's people who watch bad cash grabs allowing them to exist

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u/Slinky_Malingki 16h ago

The fuck is the Narnia one here for? There are 7 Narnia books and only 3 mainstream Narnia movies. The Magician's Nephew is the first book in the chronological series and a movie centered around the creation of Narnia, Digory, his uncle, and Polly would be really interesting.

As someone who grew up reading and rereading the Narnia series over and over, I would love to see the entire series adapted to the big screen.

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u/WitchesTeat 11h ago

I saw the trailer for The Magician's Nephew last night and was genuinely excited. I absolutely hated the previous big screen adaptations (except Tilda Swinton, she was incredible) but the BBC ones were so much better despite being visually worse.

I'm really hoping this is a good one, but the over reliance on CGI tends to take me out of these.

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u/Slinky_Malingki 11h ago

You didn't like the Andrew Adamson movies? I admit the Dawn Treader movie was... not great. But TLTWATW and Prince Caspian were pretty good

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u/RebootDarkwingDuck 11h ago

God, I loved the silver chair BBC version when I was a kid. I must have checked that out a half dozen times from the library.

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u/IanAlvord 18h ago

I want one of The Silver Chair.

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u/hawkmask 15h ago

There is an adaptation of The Silver Chair already, though it’s from 1990 (thus rather dated effects). Heck, it’s probably up on YouTube for free. 

I agree though, it would’ve been cool to have a more modern version.

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u/IanAlvord 15h ago

I've seen the BBC versions of Narnia when I was little.

The Voyage of the Dawn Treader by the BBC was even better than the Disney one.

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u/isestrex 9h ago

That's because BBC actually adapted the book.

...and they cast Warwrick Davis

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u/PetahMartian 6h ago

First time? Voyage of the Dawn Treader was a pile of shit lmfao

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u/BarristanTheB0ld 19h ago

How about we wait how they turn out before we hate on them?

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u/YOLO-uolo 14h ago

hey now, youre not supposed to think positively on the internet

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u/JotaroKujoxXx 9h ago

With all due respect, that mindset has been going on for a while now and it probably has a success rate of 5% at best. People have the right to be cynical about them, they've earned it

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u/Tired-Nectarine-384 15h ago

Thats not the reddit way. We are here for the division and hate ...... over childrens stories.
Personally I'm excited for both the HP and Narnia content.

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u/pipboy_warrior 21h ago

Dune seems to be doing fine at the moment.

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u/Spider-Flash24 🍕Ayo the pizza here🍕 20h ago

Don’t jinx it.

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u/Charles12_13 Lurker 20h ago

Wait what’s the Animal Farm one?

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u/Xplt21 21h ago

Ok but from what's been released the harry potter show looks like it could be more accurate than the movies. Mostly based on set images of scenes that weren't in the movie and set design taking into account a lot of smaller details (like the weaslys favorite Quidditch teams on their sweaters etc). Also the older characters being younger which is more accurate to the books.

Hating the show due to the connection with Rowling is fully understandable though, and the show could still end up being ass, but I feel like people are just jumping onto a hate train most of the time.

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u/SinesPi 20h ago

Potentially, but every time I see Black Snape it 100% takes me out of it. Could not have picked a worse character to race swap.

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u/Silver_Middle_7240 19h ago

Thing that bothers me is they took quirrels turban to avoid appropriation... they could have just made him black and avoided the whole controversy, he's described as nervous, wearing a turban and smelling of garlic, so it wouldn't even be changing the books.

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u/Xplt21 20h ago

To some extent sure, but the majority of problems people bring up are out of context and from the movies specifically (which tried to make snape more sympathetic which also made James seem worse).

In the books Snape and James are rivals, with Snape hanging around with wannabe death eaters and making and practicing their magic on other students. James was still a bullying asshole but it's not like Snape was an innocent victim.

The scene near the tree that people love to bring up is also not as one sided. In the book James verbally insults Snape after an exam, at which point Snape reaches for his wand but James is faster and knocks snape over. After a bit of arguing Snape casts a spell that cuts James in the face and it's at that point that James levitates Snape in the air. Which just happens to be in the vicinity of a tree (but people love making that detail out to be a big thing).

Most of the "problematic" scenes will be fine if they just stick close to the books. Euther way it would and likely will be hated on simply because it isn't Alan Rickman and even if they make it completely accurate to the books people who only watched the movies will likely come out of the woodworks and say it's unfaithful.

Will be interesting to see that discourse once it arrives

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u/Ferris-L Professional Dumbass 19h ago

You brought up a lot of great points but I too agree with the guy you answered to for the very simple reason that Snape’s appearance is actually part of the story. The fact that he looks like a vampire is one of the main reasons for why the trio thinks he is the one after the Philosopher Stone. The Books time and time again note that he is about as pale as a human can possibly be.

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u/BoringPoolPlaying 13h ago

Flair checks out. You’re just making up reasons to retroactively dislike the casting. Him looking like a vampire is never implied to be the reason people hate him. Him bullying students and being an extremely strict teacher is why no students like him.

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u/Xplt21 19h ago

That isn't the main reason at all though?

The first time Harry sees snape he does become suspicous but it's because when he sees him Snape looks back and his scar begins to hurt (which it usually doesn't do). The reason it hurts is offcourse because Voldemorts face is on the guy that Snape is sitting next to, but Harry doesn't know that. But because his scar starts to hurt and Snape is glaring at him (Because Snape hates him from the get go because of James) he asks one of the older students who that professor is. The older student then explains that Snape has wanted to be the defence against the dark arts teacher but hasn't been allowed to and also that he's an asshole.

Snape could be dressed like a nobleman and those would still be enough reasons to be suspicious of a teacher at the start. When Snape is later a very biased teacher who favours Slytherin and is constantly trying to make Harry fail it becomes even more understandable why they might think Snape is the culprit. (And that's ignoring the other clues that are directly connected to the plot).

Edit: But yes Snape is described in a very specific way. But I think at least the costume seems like it could give a similar vibe, though I would have to see more of it

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u/SinesPi 18h ago

I don't care that they hang him.

I care that a man who is consistently described as having deathly pale skin, messy hair and angular features is being paid by a dark skinned man with a round face and tidy hair.

The books do not regularly describe characters race. To my knowledge there is nothing in the books confirming that Cho Chang is asian. Hermione is never explicitly described as white, only implicitly in a few descriptions, such as saying that her black eye makes her look like a panda.

So when the books routinely make a big deal of Snapes skin color, it's not done because Rowling wants you to know what race everyone is. It's because she felt his pallor was a defining physical attribute of his, like Harrys scar or the Wealseys hair and freckles.

It's not quite as bad as having Hagrid played by Warwick Davis, but it's such a massive mismatch in appearance that it is distracting.

If they really wanted to add more diversity into the books, they could show us more time with Lee Jordan, or introduce Kingsley Shacklebolt sooner. I don't approve of race-swapping anyone, but at least race-swapping Hermione is fine since her skin color is never a defining part of her apperance.

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u/HomieeJo 15h ago

He is described as having greasy hair and not messy hair. Movie Snape also had neither and nobody cared because it didn't matter.

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u/bcocoloco 11h ago

Movie snape looks like his head could grease a wheel bearing?

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u/Witch_King_ 19h ago

Yeah I just want it to have good writing, good set design, and good acting.

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u/Commercial-Bit-1749 20h ago

Think its less about accuracy and more about the previous cast its going up against. People will instantly judge it by the execution of the actors compared to the original cast.

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u/manrata 20h ago

My biggest issue with what I've seen so far is how muted it looks, I don't understand why modern shows hate colors, the filter put on it literally mutes everything to a point of looking bland even when it's something extremely colorful we're looking at. Hope the trend goes away soon.

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u/Astapore 21h ago

From what I've seen, Harry Potter looks like it's going to be good. Maybe it won't be but I like what I see so far.

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u/Slacker101 16h ago

They have the funniest opportunity rn with the Malfoid craze.

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u/Dunkar404 1h ago

I don't keep up with it because I sincerely pray on its downfall but it looks boring as hell compared to the original. No whimsy.

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u/Janek_Rated_R 20h ago

Bro, the new Narnia movie looks great. It doesn't look like Fantasy but it happens before the world of Narnia even existed. And Harry Potter has its own issues, mainly Rowling being a dumbass transphobe.

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u/csvega84 14h ago

Recession and Dark Ages indicator. Nothing new. Rehashed Slop.

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u/heffron1 10h ago edited 10h ago

Nothing new would be not so bad. Make it good. But sometimes they give it to people that hate source material or just want to do thier "magnum opus" and original work is just a way to get money for production and then butcher source.

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u/Danxoln 15h ago

Narnia looks good tho...

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u/Salamamin1 21h ago edited 19h ago

Harry Potter remake is actually a great idea, the movies didn’t adapt the books very well. Black Snape is a crazy choice though, literally the only character that shouldn’t be black.

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u/LogicBalm 20h ago

shouldn’t be a black.

The addition of a single letter makes this comment read like the secret reddit account of Mallory Archer.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 20h ago

Reminds me or Peacemaker Season 2 when Adebayo accidently went to the Nazi dimension lol.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 20h ago

only character that shouldn’t be a black.

Yikes lol

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u/thedominantnigel 19h ago

"a black" crazy wording.

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u/Badvevil 17h ago

What happened to Harry Potter last I heard I thought the reception was pretty good

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u/SevenOhSevenOhSeven 16h ago

The author uses its profits two directly fund hate groups. Also the new series just looks like a cashgrab

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u/Badvevil 15h ago

Okay yeah I’ve heard about your first point.
The second one I wouldn’t say it looks like a cash grab fantastic beast series now that’s a failed cash grab if I’ve ever seen one

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u/Hyper__ion 13h ago

Show runners for Succession, GOT. Cinematographer for andor. Composer Hans Zimmer

Yeah "cashgrab"

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u/That_Dad_David 14h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/W4WTSqR9SNdoCmqJou
God you people are insufferable.

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u/Fancy_Appearance_275 5h ago

As of March there were nearly 4000 recorded hate crimes against trans people in the uk. Her rhetoric absolutely contributes to people’s hatred of trans individuals.

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u/figureout07 13h ago

Well then where is my money then.

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u/cellofski 19h ago

And Wheel of Time. Don’t forget about Wheel of Time.

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u/Craneteam 20h ago

I guess I gotta ask, what's the issue with adapting the magician's nephew?

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u/redandbluebadness 19h ago

AFAIK the two main issues are that it is set in WW2, from which questions arise about the setting of The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, which takes place forty years later...but also during WW2 and kinda relies on that for the plot; and that Aslan is voiced by Meryl Streep. So not a male lion, or a male lion with a woman's voice. Or something.

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u/JimmyJooish 15h ago

I watched the trailer yesterday and it looks more like something out of marvel or Willy wonka. Someone called it Narnia and the multiverse of madness. All these colors swirling around with stairway to heaven playing in the background. The acid trip marvel rock opera did not leave fans of the series hopeful.

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u/Glad_Raspberry_8469 14h ago

The Narnia prequel seems good tho? The visuals are interesting, and the magicianms nephew is one of the most interesting books in the septology. Boycott harry potter tho

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u/DirtyBadezimmer 15h ago

Normally i would agree but the first OG-narnia books havent been used in film until now

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u/CMDR_omnicognate Le epic memer 21h ago

Maybe i'm just not that much of a LOTR fan, but i didn't think the rings of power were that bad tbh.

The "animal farm" movie, if you can even call it that, was legendarily awful.

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u/StylizedIncompetence 17h ago

I don’t mean this the way it’s going to come off but it’s because you’re not much of a LOTR fan that you don’t get it.

It’s probably a decent show if viewed in a vacuum but when you compare it to the world it should and could have built. The stories it could and should have told instead of just making shit up for ratings and hand waving. In any kind of meaningful way to the long time fans, it failed, spectacularly.

It’s genuinely a travesty but im glad some people can find it enjoyable and not incredibly sad.

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u/Simppu12 10h ago

I couldn't care less about The Silmarillion or whatever, but season 1 is all I watched and it really wasn't decent at all. Stupid plot points, most of the characters were barely characters, weird story beats, cartoonish reveals... it just wasn't good TV.

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u/ShmebulocksMistress 17h ago

I wouldn’t even say this is a comment that could be taken badly, it’s just the truth. LotR fans overall don’t like RoP. But someone who isn’t familiar with the IP or casually watched the films back in the day will probably be entertained.

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u/mtron32 17h ago

I love LOTR and loved RoP, I'm the outlier though in that I can pretty much roll with whatever is done to a property I'm fond of as long as it's interesting to me. RoP was actually interesting on it's own.

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u/Greggs-the-bakers 16h ago

This is basically what I told my dad when he said he didn't mind the Halo TV show. I thought it was absolutely fucking horrendous and should be scrubbed from every archive possible but he felt like it was cool at least

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u/StylizedIncompetence 16h ago

I never even gave it a chance. I hard they unmasked master chief and knew I should stay far, far away.

I’m sorry for your loss.

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u/Greggs-the-bakers 16h ago

Oh man, I never even watched the whole first season because it was so bad. Unmasked chief, like you mentioned (the actor tried to defend it because he clearly wanted his face on screen), they gave insurgents in the 26th century some AK47s as if tech wouldn't change at all, they made some human woman a covenant spy who was raised by the covenant(and fucks chief for some reason?) as if they wouldn't kill her instantly and hanged chiefs team from blue team to silver team for some reason. That's only to name a few issues

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u/StylizedIncompetence 16h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/1hMhlrWWfXU77iYnBB
Literal train wreck kinda shit. All they had to do was make a live action remake of the game with some fleshed out plots and it was free money but no.

Gotta flex the non existent ingenuity bone.

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u/Annual_Loan_4805 16h ago

I was right about to mention the halo tv show but you beat me to it

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u/ddubspecial 16h ago

Idk man I thought it was pretty bad even in a vacuum

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u/wickedlessface 16h ago

RoP critics have the problem that any good-faith arguments get buried by the "it's bad cause it's woke" crowd.

I didn't enjoy it (also yuck, Amazon) but opening Reddit on release, it was like Klan meeting after Klan meeting.

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u/Zucchini-Dean 13h ago

Imagine putting aside $1 billion to get a result of 'not that bad'. I resign in disgrace and take up removing nails with my teeth immediately

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u/h2oskid3 17h ago

It is objectively bad even as a non-LOTR show. The only thing keeping the show afloat is the IP, if they didn't have that the show would have imploded already.

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u/Gerzy_CZ 20h ago

I'm sorry but in terms of writing it was indeed that bad. Now don't get me wrong, even as a LOTR fan I actually watched it and it had some gorgerous set pieces especially in season 1 where the budget was really showing.

But the story was just bad, with no respect to source material. When you're making a TV show about such a legendary and beloved world, you just have focus on writing with a bit more care.

I think if RoP was simply it's own standalone world and not an adaptation, it would have more fans.

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u/JJ_the_G 18h ago

Rings of Power felt like the wheel of time show where it felt beautiful and amazing and immersive if you turned your brain off, didn’t read the books, and didn’t care about writing

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u/Equivalent_Bunch_187 19h ago

Part of the problem is they don’t have the rights to much of the source material and are forced to deviate from the material they can’t use.

That being said, there definitely could have been a better written story with the general outline of what they did produce. I think they had too many storylines going at once and couldn’t give the proper development to all of them. I could have done without the entire Harfoot storyline in season one.

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u/Scrimge122 17h ago

Perhaps if they didn't have the rights then they shouldn't have made anything.

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u/CriticalLoreDrop 19h ago

Now this is a take I can get behind. I too wish they'd reduced or removed the Harfoot storyline and focused much more on Numenor.

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u/TheGuyThatThisIs 19h ago

It's crazy cuz you just know there's a million fan fics out there. They surely could have had their pick of stories or authors. There's literally no reason not to make this extremely well written. Shit, for something with this budget, get like ten of them, they'll probably do it for free, just fly them out.

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u/Sir_Delarzal 20h ago

It's a good fan fic, that's about it.

Shadow of war is a better lord of the ring adaptation, and it tells a lot

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u/ZopyrionRex 19h ago

Calling it a good fanfic is an insult to actually decent fanfictions. It was dog shit written by people who didn't know or care about the world or characters.

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u/Warvillage 19h ago

Yeah, I have read crossover fanfics that is more faithful than RoP

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u/Grabatreetron 18h ago

The issue is fans of one of the most cherished franchises ever were hoping for more than “not that bad,” which is fair.

Personally I just found it dull.

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u/Lazerbeams2 Dark Mode Elitist 17h ago

Based on what I've seen of it, the way Rings of Power treats Galadriel is the equivalent of if Spiderman was portrayed as a selfish brat who always hated his uncle Ben and laughed at aunt May when he died

It also just doesn't seem like a show that's worth watching without the brand recognition

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u/Illithid_Substances 16h ago

Galadriel is millenia old at that point and you sure wouldn't know it

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u/rizkiabdo 20h ago

It wasn't that it was bad but unfaithful to the original story but to be honest the original book is hard to make an adaptation of because it had hundreds of characters and so many stories and so many places and goes through centuries of events

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u/OffendedDefender 19h ago

It’s also worth noting that they cannot adapt the Silmarillion, as the Token Estate has not and will likely never give out the adaptation rights. Instead, what they have to work with is the appendices of LOTR. So making a coherent narrative out of that is even more of a challenge.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 20h ago

The actual events they're covering cover literal centuries of history so it would be kinda impossible to adapt it in any meaningful way.

I appreciate the attempt and there have been moments I've truly liked, some things I don't. Anyone who's looking for a 1:1 adaption honestly will always be disappointed as those just don't exist.

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u/DeinHund_AndShadow 19h ago

rings of power had beautiful visuals and music (even if a big generic, RIP bear mcreary, nothing happened to him but he must he tired of making music for mid shows) but the story didn't make much sense and the actors did not do great on interpretation or actually being a good representation of their character. how can galadriel be a great warrior when she makes awful decisions based on transient emotion and she looks like she never worked out in her life?

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u/redvelvetcake42 19h ago

The problem with RoP is that it's incredibly mid and trying way too hard to appear like GoT. They have great actors in position but have had odd pacing and spent a ton of time voting you with obvious plot points that anyone could have seen.

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u/Theophrastus_Borg 17h ago

Rings of power was mid ad maximum. Problem is LOTR is Peak.

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u/Mob-Boss_Bob-Ross 17h ago

Wait, I watched animal farm, but I don’t recognize that logo. Is there one other than the cartoon animation? I didn’t think it was bad at all

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u/h0sti1e17 17h ago

The problem with Rings of Power is it was compared to the trilogy. Very few stories in that universe would hold up. If the trilogy didn’t exist it wouldn’t be that bad. It’s expectation vs reality.

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u/dingus60601 17h ago

I thought rings of power was pretty bad, so many people complained about the “woke” stuff, but the show was just kinda boring anyways, while not following the logic of the world very well

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u/ponxer26 16h ago

I don't mind rings of power I won't say it's in the same league as the movies. But it's enjoyable and my cousins in it (an extra) so good to support family xx

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u/obalovatyk 15h ago

Rings of Power is another example of spending too much on actors and fuck all on the script. The whole show was very boring.

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u/Zmoney1014 20h ago

Oooh Lawd Dem Rangs

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u/MoldyBeans1 18h ago

the worst part about the new Narnia movie is that there will be people who never read the books and will watch it and think that that is what Narnia is.

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u/_BlissMochi 20h ago

Percy Jackson and Wheel of Time should be standing up there on the gallows too

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u/Atlast_2091 21h ago

Nah Narnia The Magician's Nephew indirect prequel Disney adaptation

HP TV Series HBO is credible network

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u/LollisGunsBikesTits 21h ago

There no stopping "the message" and greed

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u/dwarfcube 19h ago

I personally thought trailer was dope...

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u/imdookie 19h ago

No one watches original shit anymore

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u/NeonHowler 3h ago

I find it difficult to believe that anyone who has read The Magicians Nephew was impressed by that trailer.
The tone and intention are clearly designed to draw children’s tickets instead of adapt the work of CS Lewis.

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u/Substantial_Impact69 18h ago

And yet ya’ll watch this stuff.

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u/DR035A 18h ago

About time they did that one

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u/Normal_Pace7374 17h ago

Ok. But we’ve never had a magicians nephew movie before and it was my favourite book.

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u/PixelPeach123 16h ago

I literally just saw the ad for this Narnia movie and I’m very confused by the weird 80s tripping vibe that it has

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u/Ok-Boysenberry-2955 16h ago

Stop buying pounds of flesh cut from your favorite IPs.

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u/oOLittlehansOo 16h ago

This happens when you ask ChatGPT for new "ideas"

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u/DJ_Ender_ 15h ago

Yall didn't fuck with rings of power?

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u/LoungingBean 15h ago

Ahem, you forgot The Wheel of TIme. And The Witcher. And the second half of Game of Thrones.
Waaiiit a minute! Are TV adaptations of fantasy books almost always poorly adapted?!

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u/Gradash 13h ago

No animal farm will be better than the original animation that is free on YouTube

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u/Lagoserter 10h ago

bro ive been waiting for this movie for forever. from the trailer, it looks like a pretty faithful adaptation. let em cook

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u/Vanguardliberator 9h ago

Some movies are supposed to be one time stories or parts of stories that are meant to end to show a clear ending with advice, lessons and guidance at the end. If you keep going you start to mess it up and I feel like if you constantly keep remaking the same movie you start to make it lose its value and meaning. Some times a new movie or two actually helps the story like Star Wars or it can dramatically change from the previous series like Jurrasic Park. Would I want to rewatch an already great movie that was changed up to show someone point and not give advice no, since it ruins the whole thing. Most tales, fairytales, stories and movies have a certain amount of things you can put into it before it starts to become crappy. I remember watching the first Narnia after reading the Lion, the witch and the wardrobe; it was great it showed a lot of Jesus in a way (not to be forcing Christian on people or anything) because he died a innocent person who did nothing wrong by the hands of evil and yet he came back to help out those who were with him. Harry Potter was a great movie series because of the small moments of bravery, courage and risk that came with it. Every story and all has a lesson, advice or explanation for life and that’s what makes it special since you don’t have to be influenced to a random agenda from another. Some stories are used harmful or to promote a agenda or something harmful. Remaking great stories or things into movies to disgrace the original story to me feels like the person doesn’t care or understand what they are doing, it take time for stories to form and when they do it’s harder to write them.

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u/ApprehensiveOkra8095 5h ago

dont come for me but i think harry potter series looks promising

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u/FattyBiscuit3 2h ago

Guys the lord of the rings show isn’t bad. I don’t think it is really fair to compare it to one of the best trilogies of films ever made, especially when the writers are limited in what they are legally allowed to include.

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u/Dunkar404 1h ago

Idk what ya mean, the Narnia one looks cool

Harry Potter deserves to flop. For obvious reasons. ( It already had a good adaptation with the movies anyway...) Find another book !!! Read witch hat atelier or something!