r/marvelrivals • u/This_Ferret_8108 Jack of Hearts • 2h ago
Discussion "I hate the gach-" then stop buying them, put your money where your month is and quit buying them.
Genuinely, don't buy them, that's you're issue if you keep buying them, its a goddamn company its just making MONEY.
its that simple, and its mostly people's fault for not voting with their wallets on stuff
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u/ZealousidealEye2017 2h ago
Are we actually out here thinking that the same people buying the gacha event items are the same people saying they hate it?
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u/Superman8932 Emma Frost 1h ago
I think there probably are. A lot of people complain, but then buy these things. These aren’t really gachas to me, but I don’t struggle not buying a skin I don’t want and I don’t partake in games that do true gacha.
With this, I go in knowing the max I could pay is what it would be for a shop skin and I mentally already paid the max. I also know that at the end of it, I will 100% get the skin I want for the price it would otherwise be.
I didn’t want the Dare Devil skin, so I didn’t spend any $ on it. I only wanted the new Luna skin, so I got it, and didn’t get the Phoenix one even though it was 50% off.
I hope every one is a balloon event exactly AS THEY HAVE BEEN because the only difference between that and a shop skin is that I can maybe get it cheaper.
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u/Sharp-Primary-213 Flex 1h ago
You think Redditors are capable of following through their morals and aren’t actually caving for gacha skins?
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u/EnderScout_77 Spider-Man 1h ago
bold of you to assume it's redditors and not the million other people that give zero shits for social media. this is a minority group
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u/SmallFatHands 1h ago
Yeah same with the Luna hate and skins debacle this sub is an echo chamber that represents at best 5% of the actual playerbase.
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u/3140senfleb 1h ago
5% seems a bit high. The amount of people I see commenting in rivals subs that proudly say they stopped playing the game 6-9 seasons ago is way to high.
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u/Sharp-Primary-213 Flex 1h ago edited 1h ago
Oh it’s both. It’s a lot easier to play the morality police on internet because nobody gonna check if you actually follow through it. Give these people gacha skins for their favourite characters and watch them cave lmao
How many Redditor do you think are still playing the game after they called it racist like 2 weeks ago?
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u/Cool_Description8334 Gambit 2h ago
I have doesn’t stop the other people doing it
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u/LALLIGA_BRUNO 2h ago
Yup I'll still keep buying them, either I'll get lucky and get it cheap or I'll just pay the normal full price, I'm fine with either, I just want the damn skin
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u/FenHarels_Heart 1h ago
And, importantly, it doesn't stop children from buying it and getting into the habit of accepting gambling in their games as a noemal thing.
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u/14Xionxiv Blade 2h ago
Only thing i don't like about the balloon pop events is the inclusion of the emojis. I don't care for them. I dont use them. If i could just buy the skin i would buy the bundle without them. Instead they inflate the cost of the balloons just by existing.
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u/little-brattybun 2h ago
That's exactly why I don't participate in it. I have no use for the emojis so I'm not about to pay all that money for it.
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u/we_could_be_immortal Cloak & Dagger 1h ago
You can use them in custom quick chats! That's usually what i do.
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u/TheBacklogGamer Cyclops 2h ago
The community here is like 1% of the playerbase.
The people complaining likely aren't the ones buying it on droves.
It's not going to matter.
Just like your post.
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u/Sarvan_12 Deadpool 2h ago
I hate gacha is a loud minority no matter how much they boycott buying it there are lot more people buying it anyway for a chance to get it cheap
The point of i hate gacha post is to spread awareness and try to stop those who buy so we won't get more
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u/Perfect_Flight_4373 2h ago
Question say you get unlucky and have to buy all balloons is it cheaper or more expensive than if they just sold it to you?
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u/Karhak White Fox 2h ago
Roughly the same price as those character bundles that feature the skin, emote, mvp, spray, and whatever else.
The issue for some is, that even though those bundles are for sale, there is an option to just buy the costume. So people who only want the costume and don't care about the fluff wind up paying more if they have to pop every balloon to get the skin.
However, if you want both costumes and all the extras featured on a gacha then it winds up being cheaper with the 50% discount on the corresponding gacha when pop all 8 on the other.
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u/Mastermiine Devil Dinosaur 2h ago
It is the same price as if you got the bundle with the emojis. It just prays on people with the sunk cost fallacy.
The only thing I don't know is if it would have been cheaper if it was one of those pick your bundles or if it is cheaper with the 50%.
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u/Temporary7000 Invisible Woman 1h ago
I honestly can't imagine allowing myself to suffer from sunk cost fallacy lol.
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u/The_Grunge_Sage Rogue 1h ago
We all suffer from it in some capacity. Hate your job and know you’d be happier elsewhere, but you’ve invested too much time to leave? Play a competitive game every season to “keep your rank up”? Ever been in a relationship for too long because you’ve “put in so much time” and “they can change”? You racked up so many points at Dunkin’ and you just need one more coffee to get the next one free?
Sunken cost fallacy isn’t just for video games. It affects every part of a persons life. We’ve all had to suffer through it or will have to suffer through it. Sometimes without ever knowing it because we’ve convinced ourselves otherwise so yeah, you might not be able to imagine but it’ll happen someday lmao
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u/totallynotapersonj Magneto 1h ago
It is more expensive than the store if you don't care about Emojis or MVP bundle. This is true for both the single gachas and double gachas. Probably triple too but I don't think triple legendary has released before.
Basically a normal skin costs 2000 units, with mvp bundle it costs 2200, with emojis it would cost 2500. However, if you don't want the emojis, you still have to pay 2400 (yes it's 100 cheaper and if you love emojis, that's great for you). But if you don't, you are getting a worse deal statistically 70% of the time.
Duo legendary bundles are usually 2800-3300 in store. In the gacha they are 3600 because of the emojis.
What a lot of people want is the option to buy the skin or skin + mvp bundle separately. This will also be better for people in anti-lootbox countries because right now they are also forced to buy it as a normal skin bundle except that they can't choose to buy only the skin or skin + mvp bundle, so same issue.
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u/Potential-Cat-7517 38m ago
So its not more expensive. You basically have small chance to have it for less but you risk paying for everything and you have discount for another skin. Its a good system altough lootboxy and tricky
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u/glitchoct 2h ago
I dont know how many times people need to hear "most f2p games get a good chunk of their cash from a small group of very high spenders" before they realize "hmmm maybe just saying vote with your wallet is kind of a copout".
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u/SapiensRus 1h ago
Just got the new Phoenix balloon skin for 50 blue coins lol. Still never spending a single real life cent on this game but yeah I was happy.
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u/Molti_gfx 2h ago
Lowkey u can get them for free, the game gives lots of units i dont know what ur problem If people wanna buy them or not? and its normal the game wants to make money
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u/mtamez1221 Flex 2h ago
Fr this playbase is spoiled af. I wish my other favorite game fortnite gave me free vbucks lol
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u/MualaniFangirl 2h ago
They did, im a founder and they literally give so much vbucks from save the world
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u/Global-Hold9615 Magik 2h ago
Honestly this is my view on them. I know people hate them a lot, but if there is a chance for me to pay less for a skin or not pay at all. I’ll take it. Now I do dislike how much they are doing.
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u/This_Ferret_8108 Jack of Hearts 2h ago
I'm getting the reed one but I'm just over this every couple weekly hissy fit when I just want to chill out
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u/rustyspoon07 2h ago
"I just want to chill ou-" then leave the sub, put your money where your month is and leave the sub.
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u/IHateWindowsUpdates8 2h ago
GO VOTE FOR TRUMP AND CUOMO CAPITALOST DOG
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u/MethodCute4954 2h ago
What does the political climate have to do with a chance to get a bundle at less than the usually price, even then you are at most paying the same price as other skins of the same rarity
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u/IHateWindowsUpdates8 2h ago
free market policies by Reagan, Newsom, Bush, Jinping, Buttigieg, etc. have gotten us here
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u/Grungleman_Grinkus 2h ago
But I want the skin! I'd just rather pay full price outright than be FORCED to do a stupid song and dance and have my intelligence insulted like I'm falling for shiny balloons rng like a drooling toddler. I know what the marketing ploy is and I want no part of it, but I want the skin (the times I have done it that is). Offer the alternative to buy the bundle directly for full price and watch me!
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u/o_Jax_o 2h ago
I mean if I already plan on getting it I'd rather it be from a balloon, got Maidpool, Dino, Phoenix, and Wanda from my first balloon pop so I can't really complain, yeah it's predatory marketing but any paid for cosmetics are at the end of the day
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u/Grungleman_Grinkus 2h ago
I get worked up on the principle of things a lot, for better or worse. I strongly dislike the nature of having no choice here and kinda feeling patronized by being treated like I'm falling for the predatory marketing, no I see it, it's very obvious! My point being even if I could get it in one balloon the principle of it is still wrong to me and I would choose to pay full price no gambling every single time
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u/JupiterofRome Ultron Virus 1h ago
That's the kicker here they only keep doing these because they make bank. If nobody had engaged with it or hell even if the sales were about the same as a normal skin release, they would have stopped bothering with them.
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u/Scarlet-Spider1610 2h ago
Usually the people hating them (because it’s gambling) aren’t the ones buying them.
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u/teefdoll 2h ago
It’s literally the same price as a normal skin if you don’t get lucky. If I play the gacha I use whatever units I have then buy the rest.
Or I get a skin first pull like the new Phoenix one. It’s not like Genshin Impact or other god awful gacha games.
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u/totallynotapersonj Magneto 57m ago
It is more expensive than the store if you don't care about Emojis or MVP bundle. This is true for both the single gachas and double gachas. Probably triple too but I don't think triple legendary has released before.
Basically a normal skin costs 2000 units, with mvp bundle it costs 2200, with emojis it would cost 2500. However, if you don't want the emojis, you still have to pay 2400 (yes it's 100 cheaper and if you love emojis, that's great for you). But if you don't, you are getting a worse deal statistically 70% of the time.
Duo legendary bundles are usually 2800-3300 in store. In the gacha they are 3600 because of the emojis.
What a lot of people want is the option to buy the skin or skin + mvp bundle separately. This will also be better for people in anti-lootbox countries because right now they are also forced to buy it as a normal skin bundle except that they can't choose to buy only the skin or skin + mvp bundle, so same issue.
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u/Potential-Cat-7517 35m ago
No, you are getting the same deal 70% of the time and you have chance to get the skin for cheaper 30% (according to your numbers)
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u/NindeNoxx 2h ago
This is such a stupid and annoying argument that doesn't work at all. This whole "vote with your wallet" concept is a lie. It doesn't work that way. The only way that works is with organized campaigns.
The fact of the matter is there are so many people willing/wanting to buy something that "voting with your wallet" is not possible on an individual level and telling people to practice it is literally just telling people they don't deserve things because they disagree with being taken advantage of.
The rest of you are literally the problem.
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u/LikeAGaryBuster 1h ago
whens the last time an organized campaign worked in marvel
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u/NindeNoxx 1h ago
It depends on what you define as an organized campaign. I'm not aware of one ever having been performed. Kiiiind of my point though, unless you're trying intentionally to miss my point?
But the "vote with your wallet" thing is a myth, it's possible it was valid during a time in capitalism before any of us were born. But in our lifetimes, it's just something people say to deflect responsibility to the individual instead of the corporation taking advantage.
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u/totallynotapersonj Magneto 1h ago
Voting with your wallet isn't even the thing that gets it to change, it's the backlash and extreme negative response.
If voting with wallet was real, then League, Hearthstone, R6 Siege and Apex Legends wouldn't have their extreme egregious gachas.
Others like battlefront 2 was because of negative criticism not wallet voting.
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u/WealthFeisty7968 2h ago
Idk who’s even buying them. I’ve yet to see any of the skins other than the gambit one
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u/Valasta_Bloodrunner Flex 2h ago
The only credits these have gotten from me are the free temporary units right before those units expired. I REALLY wanted the Gambit wedding skin, Emma beach skin, and one other skin I'm completely forgetting, but I voted with my wallet and said "fuck that". I'd rather be principaled and miss out on a treat then compromise my own fucking soul for pixels.
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u/Mikeythejoker Strategist 2h ago
I’ve learned my lesson. Didn’t feel like it was a big deal when there was just one at a time and i would get it early but now the free credits I’ve earned from playing can’t keep up with how often they’re coming out and I haven’t gotten it in one since the Deadpool skin. No matter how much I like the skins I won’t go for the gachas again
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u/jasminetroll 1h ago
It's not a fault. Choosing to buy something that others dislike is not blameworthy.
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u/leposterofcrap 1h ago
Unfortunately all human beings including the ones that encourage this repugnant system has the one ability to counter this advise.
The "la la la not listening" technique.
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u/No_Funny_5675 1h ago
i agree, so i locked my wallet for balloons so long time ago, im never gonna buy them forever
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u/Gullible-Cake-9999 1h ago
Friendly reminder that this community also complained about Mini-passes being expensive and a scam for costing 690/990 skins for 3-4 skins and emoji sets.
Literally if all skins costed 2500 units each one without any kind of benefit, even if it's more expensive overall than mini-passes or gacha people would complain WAY less for some reason.
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u/enbydreams93 Emma Frost 1h ago
As much as I wanted Fox, I didn't want her enough to shell out 2400 under the idea that I could get her for less and then have to grind to customize her. And you know what? I definitely enjoy that cosmic skin in the current pass alot more.
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u/TempestTwist 51m ago
I only got a couple. I got the Emma skin on the first couple pops and a Psylocke one by popping all the balloons. It sucks when you use the currency you already have and still need to invest to get the last couple. Technically, it's now discounted, and you came for the skin even if you wouldn't have bought it full price...
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u/Cold_Hour 5m ago
It's not though. The company is actively trying to push the playerbase into whale territory and as long as people like you can'T grasp that it will never change.
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u/Dry_Diet754 Hulk 5m ago
I mean theres a chance ill get it cheaper so i dont really care and anyways if it was in shop id be paying for full so does it really matter
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u/KidSpot777 2h ago
Cant even lie I understand why people hate it but the last 3 skins I got was from the 1st and 2nd pull on these, had it been a regular release I wouldve never even bought those skins. So I guess im the targeted audience. I dont mind it tbh.
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u/StockPiccolo9525 White Fox 2h ago
I mean, I hate Gacha, but I genuinely dont see much of an issue with it in this case because you are drawing for a specific skin (rather than all of them/a set) and even with the worst luck you'll pretty much just spend as much as you normally would for a skin.
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u/Pigeon-popper Gambit 2h ago
I understand why a lot of people dislike the gacha skin events but I actually kinda like them. I know right, crazy! I’ve actually gotten some really good luck out of these and even if I didn’t I would’ve paid regular price for them anyways, so I like them. I’ve gotten like 3 of the gacha skins first or second try
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u/Niklaus15 2h ago
Skin monetization would have been so different if this and the luna pass floped, or at least didn't sell that well
In the end the phrase you reap what you sow it's true, we bought those and now we have a new gacha and a new pass mostly every month
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u/14Xionxiv Blade 2h ago
Who is "we?"
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u/Niklaus15 2h ago
The entire community, that's why you are getting two of these each month sometimes even more my dear
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u/Mastermiine Devil Dinosaur 2h ago
I feel that people will tell others not to participate in the gotcha event but then when it is a skin they want to get they will still do it. If you like the skin go for it. Just be prepared in your mind that you will be paying the full price for it. Know that getting it for less is more rare.
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u/Godz_Bane Magneto 1h ago
Presumably people who hate it dont buy it.
Whereas a bunch of people still do buy it. Thats the problem. If a bunch of people dont care and buy them, then all the other people who dislike it dont matter.
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u/Astro_Nerf_Sai 2h ago
I still dont get the hate for their gacha. Isnt it like buying full price just with the chance of getting it cheaper? Whats wrong with that?
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u/One-Mixture2184 1h ago
I'm confused on how this exact same comment has appeared literally hundreds of times in these types of posts
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u/totallynotapersonj Magneto 1h ago
You have some people saying children gambling or whatever but most people who like the gacha just instantly brush it off so it's not a great argument for this purpose.
Anyway the real problem with it is that it is more expensive than the store if you don't care about Emojis or MVP bundle. This is true for both the single gachas and double gachas. Probably triple too but I don't think triple legendary has released before.
Basically a normal skin costs 2000 units, with mvp bundle it costs 2200, with emojis it would cost 2500. However, if you don't want the emojis, you still have to pay 2400 (yes it's 100 cheaper and if you love emojis, that's great for you). But if you don't, you are getting a worse deal statistically 70% of the time.
Duo legendary bundles are usually 2800-3300 in store. In the gacha they are 3600 because of the emojis.
What a lot of people want is the option to buy the skin or skin + mvp bundle separately. This will also be better for people in anti-lootbox countries because right now they are also forced to buy it as a normal skin bundle except that they can't choose to buy only the skin or skin + mvp bundle, so same issue.
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u/Longjumping-Owl-565 50m ago
Well, first off, its more expensive than regular bundles because it includes emojis, which is passable but but many people don't like it and that is understandable.
Second off, its misleading. It isn't a 1/6th of a chance to get the full skin. It's like a 1% chance that ramps up every balloon you pop. This is referred to as a "pity" system. A lot of people know this, but I can guarantee you a lot more people don't because they don't engage with reddit, youtube, things like that.
Third, every single gatcha event is limited time. Which, for some skin themes like halloween or christmas, is totally fine, but when it is a maid skin for deadpool and wedding skins for Rogue and Gambit even though both Invis and Mr Fantastic's wedding skins can be purchased to this day is a very bad precedent, and it is becoming more and more common as more of these pop events happen.
And this is the primary point, it is, by design, addictive. You may have a couple units you earned through events and design to pop a couple balloons in hopes that you might hit the skin, however you only hit sprays and emojis. You've already spent your hard earned units on this event with nothing to show for it, which lead down to you ending up spending real money on lattice to get the full skin.
If it wasn't profitable, why would we be seeing so much of this?
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u/Vegeta_best23 Mister Fantastic 2h ago
ok but we need to fucking buy then cuz if we dont then oh no your character's skins don't sell and YOU GET NOTHING
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u/WillowIsWeeping5 Scarlet Witch 2h ago
I used to hate it, until I realized the only real bad thing about it is that there isn't option to just buy it normally. Like, I don't have time for this "ooo maybe that one or maybe this one" JUST GIVE ME THE THINGIE
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u/druidmain69420 2h ago
Is it just me or are the skins getting more and more bland.
Like they just dropped skele dino, which is amazing. But the other 6 skins they've announced since then are ass.
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u/Party_Pomegranate_84 2h ago
Your opinion is subjective. I think they’re pretty great Halloween skins. Certainly better than newer OW Halloween skins that’s for sure.
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u/PuffPoof215 2h ago
I don't like them ... But I really wanted that magneto skin. He is just so so hot.
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u/SenseiKloudy 2h ago
Listen rivals community has a bad addiction issue and are never satisfied and never will be also every wants to become a streamer and its ruining actual gameplay everyone is a actor when the camera is up and is a expert so never believe anything on rivals
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u/Gobledygork 2h ago
Oh god forbid they give you a chance at a discount
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u/totallynotapersonj Magneto 56m ago
It is more expensive than the store if you don't care about Emojis or MVP bundle. This is true for both the single gachas and double gachas. Probably triple too but I don't think triple legendary has released before.
Basically a normal skin costs 2000 units, with mvp bundle it costs 2200, with emojis it would cost 2500. However, if you don't want the emojis, you still have to pay 2400 (yes it's 100 cheaper and if you love emojis, that's great for you). But if you don't, you are getting a worse deal statistically 70% of the time.
Duo legendary bundles are usually 2800-3300 in store. In the gacha they are 3600 because of the emojis.
What a lot of people want is the option to buy the skin or skin + mvp bundle separately. This will also be better for people in anti-lootbox countries because right now they are also forced to buy it as a normal skin bundle except that they can't choose to buy only the skin or skin + mvp bundle, so same issue.
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u/RogueRowlet Peni Parker 2h ago
Same time next month?