I am 20 years old and I‘m trying to help my people as much as I can for six years now.
Like every Kurd I have experienced extreme racism from Turks and Arabs. I always hoped Allah would change our situation but instead it got worse and worse.
Our "Ummah" is the biggest lie because it doesn't exist we are on our own and always have been.
I had been thinking about leaving Islam for over a year now and yes it has happened.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to do it too. Just start to think.
Yeah the ummah is definitely a lie and Palestinians and Turks dislike Kurdish people even though they follow the same religion. It takes a lot of courage to leave islam but I appreciate your courage and wish you the best
The Ummah is a moral idea, not a guarantee of perfect behavior. When Palestinians or Turks show racism, they violate Islam. They do not represent it. The Prophet peace be upon him condemned tribalism and said no people are superior by race. Kurds suffered from nationalism, power, and politics, not from Islam itself.
Leaving injustice is understandable. Calling Islam a lie because Muslims failed is not fair. Judge the message by its teachings, not by those who disobey them.
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Our ancestors were forcibly converted, and having freedom you have the right to choose your faith. Being part of a religion that wants your anhiliation is kind off brain dead if we are all being honest. I think people should practise their religion if they want to, but they should keep it to themselves. Islam has done arguably the biggest damage to Kurdish independence prospects and led to the slaughter of tens of thousands of our people.
There are simply not enough Kurdish muslim advocates for Kurdish people and Kurdistan. Clearly the mullahs these days are only in it for money hence bootlicking our oppressors.
You are blaming an identity for crimes done by power and politics.
Kurds were oppressed by states, armies, and nationalist projects. Not by Islam as a teaching. The same Islam you blame clearly forbids forced conversion, racism, and annihilation. When rulers or mullahs support oppression, they break Islam. They do not speak for it.
Kurdish history shows something else too. Many Kurdish revolts, leaders, and scholars used Islam to resist injustice, not to submit to it. Sheikh Said, Sheikh Mahmud, and others did not fight because of secular nationalism. They fought because oppression violated faith and dignity.
Criticize corrupt clerics. Criticize regimes. That is fair. But saying Islam wants Kurdish annihilation ignores its core rule. No superiority by race. No forced belief. Justice even against your own group.
You want Kurds free. Islam wants justice. Those goals are not enemies. The real enemy is power without accountability.
I have studied it. That is why I separate faith from politics.
Most damage in the Middle East comes from dictators, foreign wars, borders drawn by empires, and corruption. Those factors are measurable. Coups, sanctions, invasions, oil politics.
Islam as a text speaks about justice, limits on power, no racism, no forced belief. When rulers ignore those rules, societies collapse. Blaming a religion skips the real causes and protects bad leaders.
You do not need to like Islam. But blaming one man from 1400 years ago explains nothing about modern states, modern armies, or modern elites.
You are mixing Islam with political loyalty. Supporting Assad over Rojava is not Islam. It is politics, sectarianism, or fear. Islam does not command Kurds to side with any state against their own people.
Every ideology becomes harmful when weaponized. Nationalism did it. Socialism did it. Secularism did it. Religion is not unique in this. The problem is power, not belief.
Many Muslim Kurds support Rojava, Kurdish rights, and self determination. They exist in large numbers. Ignoring them to justify leaving Islam is selective.
Leaving Islam because Muslims failed is your choice. But it does not prove Islam is the cause. It proves humans misuse ideas. That happens everywhere.
Criticize extremism. That is fair. Do not rewrite reality to fit a personal break.
Assad? buddy are u ok? Assad lives in russia there is a guy called ahmad al sharraa he is the one fighting rojava not assad. Assad wasnt even muslim. I saw many muslim kurds saying we are the same “ummah” and “kafirs support rojava” and all these kind of stupid things that i gave myself a moment and studied what i had to study years ago. When islam conqoured sasanian empire which muslims killed almost everyone in the cities like istakhr and and hulwan with all their people just becuz they didnt want to convert to the religion that was forced to them. It was omar ibn al khattab the same religious figure of islam who killed thousands of kurds. There is an old kurdish poem called hurmizgan which is the oldest written text in kurdish it describes how horrific muslim conquest of kurdistan was.this religion is political and ideological if it was just a religion we wouldnt be neighboring arabs and we wouldnt be muslim at all
You are right that Assad is no longer the active
force on the ground. Syria today has many actors, including Ahmad al Sharaa and different factions. My point was about long term policy toward Kurds, not one single person. Kurdish repression in Syria did not start in 2024 or 2025.
It goes back decades before the war.
But mixing political conflicts with Islam itself is where I disagree.
Early Muslim conquests were historical wars, like every empire of that era, Byzantine, Persian, or others. They were not ethnic wars against Kurds. Many Kurds accepted Islam over time and later became some of its greatest scholars, leaders, and defenders. Salahuddin himself was Kurdish.
Claims that Umar ibn al Khattab targeted Kurds as a people are not supported by reliable historical sources. Battles happened against empires, not races. The Sasanian state ruled many peoples, including Kurds, Persians, and others.
Hurmisgan reflects trauma from war. Every nation has poems mourning invasions. That shows suffering, not proof Islam as a religion seeks Kurdish destruction.
What we see today is politics using religion as a slogan. That is different from Islam itself. Muslims harming Kurds is a human failure, not a command of Islam.
People use islam as a tool for those crimes, they are quoting religious text to justify those said crimes. That has to be addressed since they are calling our culture kafr. Kurds are oppressed by ummah so yes islam is to blame.
Yes indeed revolts used to led by religious leaning leaders - not anymore, gone are those days -you are talking about the past, that is not the case anymore. So therefore by your own words Islam is spreading injustice since it is being used to oppress our people.
Islam does want Kurdish annihilation, that is what the people of Islam preach to us everyday. You should wake to the truth, even you are not safe to them.
People misuse texts to justify power. That problem exists in every ideology. It does not mean the text itself orders those crimes.
Show one verse or one authentic saying ordering Kurdish annihilation. It does not exist. What exists are political actors using religion language to mobilize people. Power does this everywhere.
Calling Kurdish culture kufr is not Islam. Islam recognizes Nationalities and languages. The Quran explicitly says diversity of peoples and tongues is a sign, not a threat.
Kurds are oppressed by states and movements. Those states are secular and religious. Turkey is officially secular. Syria was secular. Iraq under Baath was secular. Iran mixes religion with state power. Oppression continues across all systems. The common factor is authority, not faith.
If Islam itself caused annihilation, Kurds would not exist. Kurds preserved language, poetry, and leadership for centuries inside Muslim societies. That is history.
People preaching hate do not define a religion. They define themselves. Blaming Islam gives them exactly what they want. It removes responsibility from tyrants and turns victims against each other.
You are right about one thing. Us kurds must protect our people first. Islam never forbids that. It forbids injustice, racism, and collective punishment. Those shouting otherwise are lying, loudly.
If something can be interpreted in a violent way then it is inherently violent. Haven't you heard they took out mention of Kurds from the Quran ? (you will not be able to find source for this but all muslims know and general consensus if you speak to religious muslims, they almost all consider Kurds to be kafr the rest haven't heard of us). I have even read NOVELS which describe Kurds as kafrs from pov of Daesh leaning people (the author was Pakistani). this is just to say that muslims consider us to be kafrs, whether you pray or not they hate our race because our culture is different and we resist arabization.
Not to mention;
Quran 9:5 (The "Verse of the Sword"): "Then kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush".
Quran 9:123: "O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous".
Quran 47:4: "So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens
In case you weren't aware muslim or not we are considered unbelievers as a race. I have nothing against muslims, but against people who identify as being a muslim as their no1 personality and in doing so majority are hypocrites as do not see Kurds as humans. Where are these muslim humanitarians ? They only cry for Gaza, and don't sell me this political BS. Our general population is 'muslim' I'm not denying that but you also cannot deny that religion has been wielded against us far more than used to our benefit. Whether we consider something Islam or not it is irrelevant, if majority of people believe something it is mainstream.
Even Salahddin is used as a precedent for integrating into the Ummah.
Kurds only exist because we have been taking up weapons and arms since our existence; to fight for our survival, not because they're not annihilating us. They have in fact so far been unsuccessful in their attempts at annihilation, that is a testament to our resilience not for their lack of trying.
Interpretation does not equal intent. Any text, including secular ideologies, history books, or constitutions, has been used to justify violence. That does not make the source inherently violent. It makes people accountable for misuse.
There is no verse removed about Kurds. No manuscript. No early tafsir. No historical record. Saying "everyone knows" is not evidence. Islam preserved texts obsessively. Claims like this require proof.
Kurds are not a race labeled kafir in Islam. Kafir is a belief category, not an ethnicity. The Quran explicitly rejects judging people by Nationalities or lineage. Arabs, Persians, Turks, Africans, all were believers and unbelievers. Kurds are no exception.
Your cited verses are war verses. They are tied to specific historical battles against armed enemies. Every classical tafsir states this. They are not commands to kill civilians, minorities, or ethnic groups. The same Quran forbids killing non combatants, monks, women, children, and forbids aggression.
Daesh novels and extremist writers are not Islam. They are propaganda. Using them as proof is like using white supremacist manifestos to define Christianity.
Yes, religion has been used against Kurds. So has nationalism, socialism, secularism, and empire. Turkey oppressed Kurds under secular law. Syria did the same. Iraq did the same. Blaming Islam alone ignores reality.
Muslims who ignore Kurdish suffering are hypocrites. Islam condemns hypocrisy. Their failure is moral, not theological.
Salahuddin was Kurdish and Muslim. He did not erase Kurdish identity. He led as a Kurd within Islam. No forced arabization. No annihilation.
Kurds survived because of resistance and resilience. Agreed. Islam never forbids self defense. It forbids injustice. Those who preach Kurdish annihilation are violating Islam, not representing it.
You are right to defend Kurdish dignity. Islam does not oppose that. Tyranny does.
It literally means they have no knowledge of Islam, the message that comes with it. Will you know admit you did injustice to the verse 9:5? I clearly showed it does not mean indiscriminate killing
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My guy have you ever read a history book?
Muslims throughout the history had conflicts among each other, it's not a new thing also how does it make the religion even wrong lmao, youre just being emotional
I am not emotional also not a man. I read far more than you. What has that got to do with anything about infighting ? Islam can be interpreted in a way that justifies killing those who do not submit.
Don't waste your time arguing with me, I can't be convinced. are you Kurdish ?
Iam not, but why does this matter?
You or anyone who's bringing this topic act like all muslims were one thing throughout history until the last two centuries or whatever, but the reality is that Muslims had conflicts between each other from time to time and this is often happened, yes some justified it but still, how does this disprove the religion for the simple fact that my people or ethnicity are fighting with other Muslims?
It matters because you are on the Kurdistan forum. Why is that ?
The answer to that is the answer to all your questions. and you've not got anything nice to say either.
You don't what Anfal is yet you are blanket defending every muslim on earth you also said some conflicts are justified - please elaborate. Fighting is what Shiaa v Sunni, ? that is religion
No most muslims are with the fundamentalist line and don't tolerate anything else now; ironically mainstream islam has got less tolerant and more barbaric post Daesh, if you had said this 20 years ago I would have agreed even though Al Qaeda existed. Small example average muslim Woman did not wear the hijab before 2014, now majority do.
Actions and results speak louder than words do. And so far other than complete ignorance to straight up hostility nothing else has been shown to Kurds.
As a Kurd from bashur, I left Islam when I was 17 years old and now I’m 26, trust me it was the best decision I have ever made in my life. But in the beginning It’s not gonna be easy and people are trying to judge you or convince you to Islam again, please don’t listen to them, give it more time and then you will realize how dramatically your life is changing towards a better, joyful, freedom life! Keep it up!
you placed your deen within your own nationalism, thats not true Islam, our own government arnt muslim, none of the governments youre talking about are muslim. now go and speak to athiest iranians and turks and see how theyre so much worse lol
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Very proud of you. I have left it as well and honestly it’s one of the best decisions ever. It’s a religion of fear and oppression, no one should be told “in order to be loved you have to fear”. As Kurdish people, we can’t lose our identity over some oppressive bullshit that’s by choice. I have been embracing my identity more and exploring different pre-abrahamic religions and it’s fire. We are the children of the sun not Salahadin’s.
And now watch all those islam slaves talk about: “that means u were never a muslim!!!1!” These people just change the narrative to whatever fits them best lol, it’s pathetic. <my opinion tho.
Well done. Islam destroyed the middle east and Kurdistan. Kurds forget their identity, their heritage and join a fascist cult. All Kurds who are still Muslim, for God's sake use your brain and save yourself from this mess. Kurds get assimilated by Islam and tbh even if we didn't, it is a man made up religion which isn't real. God bless Kurdistan, stay strong guys.
Don't let the cruelty of your enemy make you be a disbeliver , we don't seek entreaty from any of so called Muslim countries. God is the righteous. And each will confront him individually.
Brother you haven't been to reality first this religion isn't real secondly it assimilates our people. Kurds, leave Islam and be Kurdish, nothing else. Biji Kurdistan
Aslo a kurd, 32 years old, and i have left the chat with islam when i was 16, however, i dont have any problem with any religion as long as they pray for them and not force any ideologies on me or others.
But
I dont think religion can help us Kurds.
We need to change the way we think, and be a bit more selfish when it comes to our future.
I can tell you from my own experience in a predominantly Catholic country that religion (regardless of whether it's Islam or not) can't prevent these kinds of situations, and that might not mean you have to abandon it (but that's up to you).
I witnessed instances of classism in a country that is theoretically Catholic
Many of them extremely racist Turks are in fact very shallow kemalist atheists (this is an indisputable fact). If the basis of your belief in a religion is moved based on the actions of people from other cultures, thats kinda daft. African Muslims often bear the brunt of extreme racism (far worse than anything Kurds experience) but many of them have told me themselves they know there is a difference between the actions of people who call themselves Muslims and Islam.
Also people have been through far worse. My own family members went through an awful lot in Saddams time. But never was Saddam and his actions equated with Islam by my family (who were his victims).
You might also want to acquaint yourself with the writings of Said Nursi, one of the greatest Kurdish people in the history of the world.
For 13 years the sahabah were persecuted and tortured and they asked allah for help. If anyone deserves they're call to be answered it's them not us. And still Allah swt gave them ease after pain because it's a promise from Allah in the quran. And allah is going to give us ease aswell. And it is known that near the end of times there's going to be alot of fitan and dhulm. (Trials and oppression), untill the mehdi comes when allah wills and justice, peace and faith is gonna spread just as quicjly the fahisha and dhulm was spread.
Tldr: lock in are you going to give up jannah for a few short moments?
Islam has nothing to do with politics, Kurds don’t follow islamic rules. our government is dictator and all our “traditional” songs have kufr in it. islam is personal and if ur on the right path Allah will help YOU and not the bad people, of-course he wouldn’t let them succeed, may Allah guide you brother.
Well all Muslims are equal. Some however are more equal.
Seriously though, Choosing your faith or lack of it shouldn’t be reactionary. Do some research on the topics that bother you and try find answers that you are lacking right now. And good luck.
Another post about this?
I am not saying you should come back or not, that’s on you
But i see it as religion being used as a political tool, when it should be personal.
For me personally, i will remain Muslim, but i disavowed this “Ummah” bullshit a long time ago
Because i view my religion as a personal matter, its not connected to anyone or any concept or “community”
It’s just God, and I.
Most Turks and some Arabs can keep their supremacy complex intact, but that will not erase their own insecurities and hatred for a nation.
Just think deeply about it before reacting to political developments and discourse, as some people like you who did it, probably regretted it later after thinking about it.
The formula is
You have your own religion
A certain group or political ideology controls the narrative to your religion, and that causes you to react to that narrative, when in essence, the religion itself didn’t even change, nor was it a part of that original narrative to begin with.
Brother these guys are fascist racist and scums don’t let them make you leave Islam. Kurds have been followers of Islam from the beginning we even have a sahabi! Islam ain’t for Arabs Islam is for everyone. The prophet pbuh was sent for all mankind
I’m a muslim, meaning I follow the way of the Quran, Allah’s words. It is not Allah’s fault that these sinners who claim to be muslim don’t accept us in their “Ummah”
I understand your anger, I truely do but God’s always here for us and In’Sha’Allah we’ll make Kurdistan happen and a good place. God bless you and your family.
U do realize islam is as much of a kurdish religion as it is an arab or turkish religion as vast majority of kurds have been muslims for over a 1000 years, do u realize kurdish self determination movements historically have been islamic resistance against secularist nationalist assimilation movements?
( especially against the kemalist oppression in turkey)
Those ancestors must he rolling in graves rn
Is this 85% muslims arent arabs? Its 2025, not even zionist jews say this anymore lol grow up😭islam is practiced from mountains of china (ningxia) to europe(bosnja, albania)
our ancestors would be rolling in their graves if they saw our situation now that our cities are filled with people who hate us and support our oppression and annihilation.
Please read them well because we can only exist if we operate by a shared set of rules. We ask that you abide by not just the letter of these rules, but the spirit as well.
Are you following islam because islam is the truth or because u want pity from so called others that claim to be muslim? That is the question u should ask ur self
U may start to have some sort of existential crisis or identity crisis at the beginning , but its fine it will pass with years to come. Btw where are u from exactly?
As long as this is not understood, Racist Turks and Arabs will appear as though representing Islam.
The Ummah exists but let's be honest who's truly following Islam? Starting from my self.
At the end all i say is i know Islam is the true religion and it's not because of Islam that we're like this, it's just we are too stupid and can be used by our enemies and our enemies use Islam as a disguise.
And yes fuck rascist Turks and Arabs I'm not defending them.
I grew up in a religious family but I always had some issues with some verses in the Quran as they were against my personal values and tbh, quite violent. But as a Muslim, I would found justifications for them.
It’s during the shingal êzîdî genocide that I left Islam. It was clear to me that we Kurds were forcibly converted to this colonial religion just the way Isis was trying with ezidis. And I don’t support Isis :)
Then, growing up in Europe, I have only experienced racism from non Kurdish Muslims. Always using their religion to justify the annihilation of Kurds. I can’t stand their hypocrisy. And religion is just a tool to control the masses imo.
No problem with Kurdish Muslims though. They’re my people and I love them. Unless they are Islamists which automatically makes them anti Kurdistan…
Respect your choice, but I hope the path you are following is also the path back to Islam ☪️. Many years culture and people made us questioning, but always remember that without faith you won’t get result you want. I know the struggles are tough and long but you are not the only one, remember the people from Gaza struggling and they still remember their lord(Allah,swt)and kept their faith.
I know this is not the right topic for comparison but remember in this life you will get tested and just have to go through it, but later in the after life it will pay off and you will get more than what you asked for.
I hope we are still able to convince you and find the path back. We respect your decision and understand the struggling. Do some research or talk about it with people and read the Quran.
Bullshit stop forcing ur bellives on other people????!? If ur allah was real he wouldnt have let all of this people in gaza in sudan in here and there wouldnt have let them suffer and die in the worst ways ever they kept their faith and allah still didnt help them what a king and all loving god
Did u just ignore all of the stuff i said?lol cant respond but aight yeah they belleive thier magicsl fairy tale daddy it wont change the fact that he isnt real people also bellived in zeus lol
maybe stop forcing your believes and saying things like all the people of Gaza belive in allah, just makes you look like a fanatic. many does but definetly not everybody.
It's your decision and feel free to do so, but in the end this has nothing to do with Islam my friend. You should study politicics to understand why this is happening, it's all because of the partition plan to split up Syria into 4 pieces. Every religion is right now active in war so it's easy to blame in to the religions while it's all about power and money.
Still no prove that religion is the reason. If religion would be the reason then all islamic, christian countries would be at war now. I don't see Indonesia the biggest islamic country in war now...
good on you. i left it years ago for the same reason. if the entire muslim world literally wants us dead, they can't all be "fake muslims" right? not to mention a huge number of Kurds they control and assimilate through islam, Kurds rejecting their nation to fit in with other muslims etc.
yeah they only want our autonomy destroyed, want us to live under turkish, iranian, iraqi and syrian occupation, want our language erased, our culture especially newroz banned, cheer when turks or arabs murder our people. Just how stupid are you to not understand their support for occupiers equal the death of Kurds as a people. Only ones that don't are baloch and afghans
Ok bud gravity is a natrual law and we can feel it and see the effects of it but allah isnt theres no proof or any evidence of ur allah stop trying to force ur bs bellifes on other people and ur talking about " havent brought any beneifts yet" i wish itwas just that it had ruined us arab religeon look at kurdistan look at Afghanistan look at how is islam holding us back women ar seen littrealy as half people irs littrealy devolving us alot of people die cuz of islam
You ain’t making it better, ofc there is a proof of there is a god. Science still can’t explain the start of everything. There must have been someone who started all this. If you keep questioning you will get to someone and that is Allah. That you’re people aren’t satisfied yet will be a matter of time and believe. By disbelieving you won’t get any better. And don’t talk shit about Afghanistan, if you have been there it ain’t that bad as the media is made it look like. Islam is protecting and not holding back, it is just culture ruining everything. We Muslims do believe in the rights of women and their strength.
Saying “science can’t explain the beginning yet” isn’t proof of God but just ignorance. An unexplained cause doesn’t automatically lead to Allah or something similar that’s just a belief leap not evidence lol. Afghanistan isn’t “media exaggeration” either but there's credible human rights organizations that document systematic repression of women.
Believe if god exist or not is just something you just believe the way you see it yourself. And trust me when I says that media have been trash talking about Afghanistan and how bad it is. The reason i say this bc Islam is not the reason of women losing theirs rights, Islam wants to protect them
LMAO god of the gaps fallacy and special pleading fallacy and another thing there is absolutely zero evidence if everything has a start how did god start (special pelading fallacy) and this is a diest argument not a thiest lol NO where of proving ur godd exiestense lmaoooo what a re tardio 😂😂and everyone knows how arw women treated in Afghanistan no women dont have rights in islam the quran littrealy says beat ur wife if she dissobeyes u if u warned her (quran 4:34) i cant bellive u bellive this id the word of god misognyest bs and there are alot of wrong scientific claims in the quran lol the quran says the sun is orbiting the earth and the sperm is made betwen the backbone and ribs loll
I hear your pain. Racism and betrayal hurt deeply. But Islam did not oppress Kurds. People did. The Prophet peace be upon him rejected Arab superiority and condemned tribalism. When Muslims fail, it is a failure of people, not of faith. Leaving injustice is right. Leaving truth because of injustice deserves reflection. I hope you find peace dignity and justice for Kurds, with or without Islam.
Good. It's a death cult. This is not what your ancestors followed. Why any Kurd, Turk, Persian, Bosnian, Albanian, or any other Turkic ethnic group would want to follow an Arab-based religion is beyond me.
Who said it's Arabs based religion, it has sent in Arabic language to make them understand because they were ignorant and stubborn not because God loves them specifically.
So you never knew Islam. And you don’t know Allah. If you did no human’s action could affect your faith. Never too late to learn tho. And Allah guides whom he wills.
Allah guides whom he wills😂😂😂😂yall seriously believe this shit and still blame people on the internet. Average muslim “you were never muslim then” “how many rakats in wudhu”response. Do better.
We don’t assume people are lying until proven otherwise. Why do you guys always assume everything is about you? If someone leaves islam it’s their journey. And it’s their story to tell. You have NO place to “question” people.
‘I left islam because baathist secularist arabs (no matter what their religion is) and kemalist turks(who are anti islam) are racist against me😭so i assume that 80% of muslims who live outside middle east are also racist against me’ isnt the gotcha ur thinking it is lol, never seen irish leaving christianity cause christian England genocided them and never saw any european leave Christianity because europeans christians ganged up and killed eachother during worldwar II, this logic is direct from israels playbook. Also the fact yall always fail to mention that modern balkanisation of middle east and hatred civil wars were all orchestrated by cia and mossad, cia ex chiefs been saying this for decades and yinnon plan is literally mossads official policy
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Yeah the ummah is definitely a lie and Palestinians and Turks dislike Kurdish people even though they follow the same religion. It takes a lot of courage to leave islam but I appreciate your courage and wish you the best