r/ireland • u/Pupcup2 • 15h ago
š„ The Burkes Are At It Again Head of Arthur Cox says 'unthinkable' that Ammi Burke could ever work for the law firm again
https://www.thejournal.ie/arthur-cox-ammi-burke-wrc-appeal-labour-court-7191967-Oct2026/50
u/LordyIHopeThereIsPie 14h ago
Who would want her as a colleague or to represent them as a client. Any perceived slight and the whole clan will be on top of you shouting and roaring.
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u/jimicus Probably at it again 14h ago
According to TFA, thatās basically what happened. She was accidentally omitted from an invitation to lunch in an honest mistake and went mental.
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u/MrIrishman699 13h ago
A happy accident by her colleagues Iād imagine, not that youād blame them
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u/Meath77 Found out. A nothing player 11h ago
Any perceived slight and the whole clan will be on top of you shouting and roaring.
I think lots of people can handle that, it's the constant legal challenges you get from them that's the big problem. They're all unhireable, someone in the office does a smelly fart and they'll tie you up in court cases for the next 10 years
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u/iHyPeRize 13h ago
She was given a very generous package when terminated, 3 months' pay, a full year salary and they even offered to help her find a new job.
She could have probably walked into a new job with a nice chunk of change in her back pocket, maybe spend a month or two travelling - but of course not, she's a Burke...
How could a Burke ever be wrong about anything? So she decided to force a 7 year legal struggle and has somehow landed on demanding to be reinstated which is laughable.
She might win her case because she wasn't given a fair disciplinary procedure upon termination, but she also accepted the package, not a chance of reinstatement.
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u/Yer_One 13h ago
I'm curious to know how she has managed to get her case in front of the WRC. I would have assumed that given she received a settlement figure that she would have signed a settlement agreement, and that Arthur Cox of all places would have had watertight clauses built in whereby she would have waived any and all unfair dismissal claims.
Unless they didn't do it via a settlement agreement, which seems extremely short sighted of them.
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u/Greedy_Definition673 13h ago
Anyone can bring any company to the WRC, nothing to stop it. We had people demand money from us or else they'd bring a claim. They did indeed bring the claim, absolutely baseless but we had to hire and pay for a solicitor to defend it. WRC is unable to award costs against them so they had nothing to lose. They submitted their names in Irish so avoid being found on google
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u/Yer_One 12h ago
Yes but if there's a settlement agreement in place that was agreed prior by both parties, the WRC will generally recognise that the claimant waived their right to future claims in exchange for a monetary sum. What I'm finding difficult to imagine is that Arthur Cox didn't get her to sign such an agreement.
It's possible that AC did take that action but it's been found to be unenforceable.
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u/bob_jsus 14h ago
Watch her show up on their doorstep daily for the next three years now. An entire family of wrong 'uns.
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u/freshfrosted 13h ago
They did this already back in 2022.
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u/TheHames72 13h ago
I think it might have been before then too. I havenāt been in Dublin since 2020 and I have a memory of those muppets being around Earlsfort Terrace before I left. Late 2019 maybe.
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u/sevdafahy 12h ago
When they were in UCG, they were in the Connaught Tribube every few months. People in Castlebar crossed the road to avoid them. They aren't well.
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u/Cearnach 10h ago
Can confirm that I crossed the road to avoid their Christmas carol session a few years ago.
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u/freshfrosted 12h ago
You could be right , this action goes back nearly 7 years now so that time makes sense.
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u/TheHames72 12h ago
Yeah: I looked it up. She was given the heave-ho in November 2019 so Iād say they were on the first train over from Mayo to protest.
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u/Background_Cover5097 14h ago
Nowadays solicitors do nearly everything remotely. They don't have clients doing in and out. The protest would be an waste of time.
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u/Timely_Camera_2031 10h ago
The protest would be a waste of time to a sane person but in this case it would just increase the challenge in their eyes
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u/Tequilashot360 13h ago
Met someone who worked in HR in Arthur Cox during her spell there and she sounded like an absolute handful to say the leastā¦these articles donāt even scratch the surface!
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u/Kloppite16 13h ago
I heard one rumour that some solicitor in there got some bad news while sitting at their desk and in reaction said 'jesus fucking christ'. Ammi heard it and she blew up at them for taking the Lords name in vein.
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u/South_Hedgehog_7564 13h ago
Do you have links to any of these articles by any chance, please? Iāve never read them. Many thanks.
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u/One-Artichoke279 13h ago
Their parents have raised a bunch of kids who are incapable of functioning in society, can't hold down jobs and are constantly in trouble with the law. Complete failures all round.
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u/aineslis Braywatch 12h ago
This is why Iām against homeschooling (except for certain circumstances). These siblings are all victims of abuse by their parents.
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u/smithskat3 14h ago
They just do themselves no favours do they? Imagine having a workplace dispute and having your mum show up to harangue the boss!
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u/Timely_Camera_2031 10h ago
Sounds like a porno plot.. not that I ve watch porn..Ā
Yes my name is simeoin
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u/Pupcup2 14h ago
Grab a cup of tea; interesting read
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u/struggling_farmer 14h ago
i assume round two shall be where they cross examine her?
That should be interesting
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u/Dangerous-Moose3694 13h ago
Setting aside her personal beliefs (which to be fair, I find distasteful). She has repeatedly acted like an amadƔn in court proceedings. Unprofessional doesnt even cover it.
They are well shot of her. Let her go out on her own if she can't get along with her colleagues.
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u/YoureNotEvenWrong 14h ago
They were fools to hire her so they get what they deserve
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u/blueghosts 14h ago
Yup. Itās not as if any sort of menial background check, even just a google search, wouldnāt have brought up all the shitehawking they did in NUIG and the LGBTQ protests
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u/catsandcurls- 12h ago
Itās quite possible she was hired before then though. Seems like the NUIG lifetime ban was in 2014. She started with Arthur Cox in 2016, so could easily have been hired in 2013 or 2014 before that.
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u/rmc 11h ago
Hang on, how does law firms work? You "get hired" and don't start working for 2ā3 years?! I work in IT and that just sounds strange.Ā
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u/catsandcurls- 10h ago
Yep, it would be standard to get the offer during college (often as a job offer at the end of a summer internship), and then you need to pass 8 law society exams (which take at least a year) before you can start in the office.
Itās changed a bit recently, but in my day (and Ammiās) Iād say 90% of trainees were hired 2-3 years ahead of their start date.
Itās a bit of an issue with the recent very quick advancements in AI, where firms have hired large trainee cohorts years in advance only to have no work for them by the time they start because of AI - but thatās a whole other topic!
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u/South_Hedgehog_7564 14h ago
She is well qualified and obviously didnāt have the reputation for making trouble then. Sheās untouchable now. What a waste of an education.
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u/Bill_Badbody Resting In my Account 14h ago
obviously didnāt have the reputation for making trouble then.
This is untrue really.
If I have my timeline right, she would have already been banned for life from the involvement in any society in NUIG, after the financial irregularities in the Christian society.
Siblings banned for life from NUIG societies refuse collegeās offer
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u/South_Hedgehog_7564 13h ago
How did she manage to get taken on by anyone at all I wonder?
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u/Kerrytwo 6h ago
She would have been hired during university so possibly before anything had happened or was widely known about.
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u/catsandcurls- 12h ago
I mean seeing as she started with Arthur Cox in 2016, itās very possible she was hired in 2013 or 2014 before that.
Not sure if it was a big enough story at the time for them to have subsquently seen it (or enough for them to revoke an offer on its own)
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u/mrbuddymcbuddyface 14h ago
Arthur Cox has a reputation of only taking on the very best graduates too. And apparently she kept her nose clean until made an associate. She's not stupid. But definitely doesn't like Cox.
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u/Acceptable_Golf_8623 13h ago
I know Enoch, Isaac and one of the sisters whose name I've forgotten personally. I sat my leaving cert with 2 of them.Ā
Academically, they are absolutely top-notch students. Enoch turned down a place in medicine in trinity for reasons known best to himself, but they as a family, have excelled in every academic field they've been in. I knew a woman who had Issac for maths tutoring in university and says his ability to break down the concepts of maths in their first class is the reasons she was able to graduate.Ā
Great minds, woeful politicsĀ
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u/mrbuddymcbuddyface 13h ago
All home schooled too by Ma Burke. No doubting their academic abilities, just they were brain washed at the same time. Imagine being Enoch, wasting the best years of his life either sitting in prison or standing/ trespassing at a school. Nearly 700 days in prison since Sept 22.
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u/waronfleas 6h ago
It's a shame to their parents, and a loss to the country that's paid for all of their education.
Intelligent, diligent (and warped) minds.
They are young, all of them. Don't know what kind of future is available to any of them. It's really quite sad.
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u/South_Hedgehog_7564 14h ago
I donāt suppose he thinks a whole lot of her either lol
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u/GazelleIll495 13h ago
'He' retired in 1965 so I doubt he's too bothered
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u/South_Hedgehog_7564 13h ago
If he retired in 1965 I doubt heās alive.
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u/Tote_Sport Mon Ermaaaa 13h ago
He also died in 1965 so very much speculative if heās still aliveā¦
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u/South_Hedgehog_7564 13h ago
His law firm is very much alive and well.
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u/TwinIronBlood 12h ago
The thing is one of the partners made a mistake by forgetting to include her in a work lunch. She lost it with her over that. If she had handled it better she would have gotten a 1:1 lunch with a partner. This wasn't a matter of morals or faith
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u/DirectBee1033 10h ago
It's even worse! It wasn't a work lunch. This partner had returned home after a period working abroad and they asked their friend/colleague, who Ammi happened to share an office with, if they wanted to have lunch to catch up. Ammi overhead and jumped the gun to assume she was being excluded from a work lunch. It was a personal lunch between two coworkers who were also friends, and who hadn't seen each other in ages.
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u/TwinIronBlood 9h ago
Her evidence or the reporting of it was different
In other evidence, former senior partner at Arthur Cox, GrĆ”inne Hennessy described how Burke went on a āfrantic rantā after receiving an email inviting her to lunch in January 2019.
Hennessy said she was having a lunch for two other new associates to celebrate their new positions with the firm and realised she had inadvertently not invited Burke as she had not worked with her before.
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u/DirectBee1033 9h ago
Oh yeah that rings a bell, but I think it might have been a separate incident.
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u/DirectBee1033 13h ago
They hired her before the Burkes had the reputation they have now, as far as I know. I read about her WRC case in 2020 or 2021 so she'd been hired by Arthur Cox way before that.
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u/oldappian 13h ago
I think there's a case to be made that the Burke children have been brainwashed and have had their lives ruined by religious indoctrination.
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u/maxplanar 12h ago
Imagine how great the experience would be for everyone if she won the case, got her job back, and walked in every day with that smug Burke look. Imagine how happy sheād be, how welcome sheād be in a place sheās been suing for seven years, how much fun sheād have at office parties.
And the same would have been the case for Enoch. The āI want my job backā Burkes.
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u/t0ny1212 9h ago
I don't understand how she can be an actual solicitor at this point. All professional bodies have a code of conduct which she surely has violated in past court proceedings. Those bodies take that stuff seriously, if she hasn't been stripped of her designation yet, it can't be far away. Without that, they would have clear grounds for dismissal under some conduct or professionalism clause
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u/Brian012381 8h ago
Interesting point, she is longer on roll of practicing solicitors for some reason ā¦
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u/SharkeyGeorge 13h ago
Itās very difficult to understand what she even hopes to achieve. The fact that she was paid out 12 months salary with the termination means that even if the Labour Court find for her, which I suspect they wonāt, the Court is highly unlikely to award her any more compensation and it will be a technical victory only based on her own contribution to her dismissal and her behaviour since. She owes costs for the HC and CA proceedings as far as I understand it so it would bring her legal options to conclusion and presumably at that point Arthur Cox will aggressively pursue their costs orders. Totally unhinged behaviour.
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u/Business_Cabinet_483 11h ago
You're forgetting that money means nothing to this family.
Fame is the oxygen they seek
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u/Stpeppersthebest 11h ago
Iād be very surprised if the labor court find in her favour. She was sacked without disciplinary procedure- Iām sure she will only be awarded a small amount but canāt see any world where she doesnāt win her case. Arthur Cox obviously made the decision that the payout was/ would be worth it to get rid of her with immediate effect, and have no doubt played out all possible/probable financial consequences to acting outside of the disciplinary procedure.
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u/ManuelTzetzes 14h ago
Jesus Christ lads. Can we not extradite the entire family or something?
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u/Marzipan_civil 14h ago
Who would take them?
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u/Lazy_Fall_6 13h ago
Even the Westboro Baptist Church have come out on side of the Irish court system against the Burke's saying they took it too far haha
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u/RobotIcHead 13h ago
Westboro Baptist Church appartently try to stay just on the right side of the law, they seem to try and to follow court orders while immediately trying to appeal them, they do not antagonise police officers and follow guidance on protest arrangements. They know better than try to jeopardise their legal protections as that will be used against them in courts battles.
According to an article or two that I read Enoch might have had a case for wrongful dismissal against the school at the start IF he hadnāt kept doing these protests. But like you said even WBC think that the Burkeās are going too far.
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u/lakehop 10h ago
They are a tiny group, basically an extended family plus a handful of other people. They try to get as much publicity as they can by doing various extremely hateful things. They should be given zero attention. They are not representative of anyone except their own hateful family.
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u/ManuelTzetzes 6h ago
I overheard two lads in Gay Spar one night talking about renting a disco bus type of thing, filling it with beautiful gay people and visiting that gobshite outside the school.
I'd pay money to be the driver. š "How're ya Enoch? Are ya alright there in the rain? Do you want to come onboard for a bit of a boogie? Sure you never know what might happen!"
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u/ManuelTzetzes 14h ago
Ah come on, they belong in the US. That's where all their money comes from. Could we start a petition or something?
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u/LordyIHopeThereIsPie 14h ago
There's no evidence any US organisations give them any funding. The family run a successful school giving grinds and several of them work in other roles. They're entirely self funded.
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u/ceadagamdulamach 13h ago
Where's the evidence they run a successful school giving grinds? Successful enough to support a family of 10 constantly on the road abd taking court cases?
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u/LordyIHopeThereIsPie 13h ago
They all represent themselves or have family legal representation. Their grind school is known locally and very popular as it apparently does very good coaching and notes for leaving cert exams.
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u/ceadagamdulamach 13h ago
So again, any evidence their grind school supports the family and their campaigns?
Family member Josiah Burke has spent more than ā¬45,000 since April 2019 promoting family campaigns on Facebook, data shows
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u/LordyIHopeThereIsPie 13h ago
Where's the proof they are in receipt of foreign funding? Spending isn't proof.
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u/ceadagamdulamach 10h ago
So zero evidence, but you're calling others out for not having any evidence.
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u/Banana_Bazara 13h ago
If only you had any interest in the sourcing of the outlandish foreign funding claim, but you people never do. It's pretty cheap to take cases where you represent yourself btw.
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u/ceadagamdulamach 13h ago
I didnt make that claim banana me lad.
I'm asking the person who said theres no evidence of a particular claim, and then made another claim with no evidence to provide some.
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u/Banana_Bazara 13h ago
Your level of care about some claims and not others is exactly the point. Lad.
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u/South_Hedgehog_7564 13h ago
There is no way that cottage industry of theirs is funding all the crap theyāre involved in. Of course thereās money coming in from abroad.
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u/LordyIHopeThereIsPie 13h ago
Exactly what crap are they funding? They protest. They take legal cases where they represent themselves. They don't appear to live a lavish lifestyle.
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u/TomRuse1997 12h ago
This is said all the time yeah. A photo was posted of them on an Aer Lingus flight to NY and people were like "who's fundng this?"
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u/South_Hedgehog_7564 13h ago
Hahaaaaa have you ever seen them in their ordinary clothes? When they ditch the Amish look? Different cuppa tea then trust me.
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u/LordyIHopeThereIsPie 13h ago
Where's the proof of US funding?
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u/No-Television-9350 9h ago
Rocky horror vibes?
Iād say she could be doirty if she let herself go with the pleasure
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u/doctor6 13h ago
Westboro baptist church
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u/Lazy_Fall_6 13h ago
Even the Westboro Baptist Church have come out on side of the Irish court system against the Burke's saying they took it too far haha
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u/BillyMooney 13h ago
You bastard. Now you've got me feeling sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church.
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u/fionnuisce 7h ago
We could exile them all to Rockall one dark and stormy night and somehow Enoch would be standing outside Wilson's Hospital the next morning in a freshly pressed shirt.
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u/SoloWingPixy88 u/i-cum-beamish alt 13h ago
Unfortunately they're one of our own. The problem is we keep giving them attention. If there was a TV show I'd probably watch it
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u/StevemacQ Sax Solo 14h ago
Did she see a rainbow sticker on someone's desk? I bet even a Catholic cross would set her off.
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u/DanGleeballs 13h ago
Is there such a thing as a Christian non-Catholic cross?!
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u/Archamasse 12h ago
Non-Catholic ones usually don't actually have Himself on them. Early protestants thought it was a bit idolatrous and too focused on the suffering bit instead of the resurrection.
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u/DanGleeballs 12h ago
Oddly interesting. Thanks
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u/Archamasse 12h ago
It's one of those funny little things you don't notice until it's pointed out, and then it seems obvious doesn't it?
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u/oranbhoy 12h ago
when i was growing up - albeit in Glasgow - a Cross with Jesus on it (crucifix) was seen as a Catholic cross
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u/New-Strawberry7711 13h ago
Genuinely. America is their only salvation, they would absolutely thrive over there.
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u/Numerous_Dimension38 12h ago
You'd be shocked at the amount of self-entitled knobs like her that are at large in the workplace. Worked with one and had to get counselling after her.
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u/lainaldo6 8h ago
I'm afraid to ask about Enoch, is he in prison still? Or is he out again and terrorising that school?
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u/Business_Cabinet_483 11h ago
Was she a crane driver working over Arthur Cox at some stage? Something about a pudding in a bag
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u/Efficient-Secret4438 1h ago
She is deluded on so many levels and clearly has some kind of superiority complex.Ā Her whole family are unenployable at this stage due to their stupidity. They probablyĀ believe literally In Adam and Eve etc.Ā
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u/elfy4eva 14h ago edited 14h ago
Honestly I think its unthinkable that they could work for ANY law firm. Unless themself and
IssacSimeon found Burke & Burke.