Tell me the difference

[u/SA99999]

I speak Farsi pretty fluently, but I’ve never understood the difference between these tenses:

داشت دروغ میگفت

داشته دروغ میگفته

Are they the same or not?

[u/random_strange_one]

he/she was lying

he/she has(or had in some contexts) been lying

[u/bernoosp → u/random_strange_one]

This is correct.

[u/FableBW]

Oh boy, I as a native speaker just got that feeling of I know the usuage but not the reason :)))

They can mean the same, but when you go Dāshteh + something +eh, it can denote continuous action in the past. It's usually a question, but not always.

That's my own take. Hope one can elaborate further.

[u/Vast-Beginning2219]

Second one happens way more in the past

[u/tapyr]

On my own I would say that

First one is 'He/she was lying'

Second one is 'He/she has (had) been lying'

But I tried different translater and it didn't give the results I was thinking so I asked Claude about the second one precisely and he answered me :

" It means "So he was actually lying" or "Turns out he'd been lying." The داشته … می‌گفته form is the evidential past progressive: it describes an ongoing action in the past that the speaker didn't witness directly but has just found out about or inferred. The key nuance is that sense of discovery, which English conveys with words like "actually," "turns out," or "apparently."

I didn't reach such a level of complexity in my persian studies, I can't comment on this. Maybe someone that has higher education on the subject can give their opinion on this

[u/Limp_Yogurtcloset943]

In First sentence you’re saying it Direktly as you were there but second one ist is indirekt maybe you heard from someone else
I think
داشت دروغ میگفت حتی من خودم خیلی هم خوب شنیدم

یکی از دوستان من انجا بوده و خوب شنیده چطور دروغ میگفته

[u/monjik211]

از نظر دستوری، "داشت دروغ می‌گفت" گذشته‌ی استمراری است؛ یعنی در گذشته در حال رخ دادن بود که عمل دیگری با آن همزمان بوده است. جمله‌ی دوم نیز ترکیب گذشته‌ی نقلی با استمراری است که تأکید بیشتری بر ادامه‌دار بودن و تداوم آن دارد. پ.ن ۱: «داشت دروغ می‌گفت» دو معنی دارد؛ نخست، همزمانی است و دوم، اتفاقاً درست پیش از وقوعِ عمل است. مثلاً «داشت می‌رفت که من گفتم نرو»؛ یعنی هنوز حتی عملِ رفتن رخ نداده بود. پ.ن ۲: این هم از عجایب روزگار است که دو فارسی‌زبان باید در ردیت، پرسش از دستور زبان خودشان را به زبانی بیگانه بپرسند، و این ناراحت‌کننده و زیان‌آور است؛ ناراحت‌کننده از این‌که این زبانِ بینوا چقدر غریب شده، و زیان‌آور از این‌که دوستانِ دیگری کوشیده‌اند به نادرستی دستور زبان پارسی را با انگلیسی توضیح دهند، در حالی که این کار ناشدنی است و زمان‌ها و وجه‌های فارسی و انگلیسی و فرانسوی و هر زبان دیگری تفاوت‌های محسوسی با هم دارند، و با یک‌به‌یک برابر قرار دادنِ دستوریِ بیش از اندازه، دش‌آگاهی رخ می‌دهد.

[u/Saeede-mrt]

داشت دروغ می‌گفت = He was lying.

You are talking about something that was happening at a particular moment in the past.
وقتی رسیدم، داشت دروغ می‌گفت.
When I arrived, he was lying.

داشته دروغ می‌گفته ≈ Apparently, he was lying / It turns out he was lying.

You are looking back at a past event and realizing/reporting it from your current perspective.

بعداً فهمیدم که داشته دروغ می‌گفته.
Later, I realized that he had been lying.

so:
داشت می‌گفت → I was there / I’m describing what was happening then.

داشته می‌گفته → I’m looking back and telling you what I now realize was happening.

[u/the-postminimalist]

I ate من خوردم

I had eaten من خورده‌ام

Colloquially both would be من خوردم but with emphasis on a different syllable: man KHORdam vs man khorDAM

He ate او خورد

He has eaten او خورده

[u/HoneydewMaleficent71]

My advice is to stop overthinking Persian language. Speaking Persian is like poetry, focusing on rules will just take away the beauty. Keep shadowing with movies and talking to Persian natives and you'll see the change.

[u/SA99999 → u/HoneydewMaleficent71]

I’m Persian

[u/HoneydewMaleficent71 → u/SA99999]

Then I think you should try reading books. It really helps. I can send you any Persian book you like. There is a lot of amazing Translators in Iran.

[u/bernoosp]

As you said you are fluent in Farsi I'm gonna answer this in Persian:

داشت دروغ میگفت: عملی که در زمینه در گذشته در حال رخ دادن بوده. مثلا: داشت دروغ میگفت که رضا حرفش رو قطع کرد.

داشته دروغ میگفته: این برای وقتیه که چیزی رو برای کسی از دیگری نقل و قول میکنی و طرف مقابل وقتی میشنوه بهت میگه: بابا داشته دروغ میگفته بهت!

That's my take and I hope it helps.

[u/Sky0123456789 → u/bernoosp]

ممنون این توضیح زبان فارسی برای من مفیده

[u/bernoosp → u/Sky0123456789]

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