r/countttt • • 3d ago

Meta If you use 4tran terms outside of 4tran spaces, you deserve to be banned from there lowk.

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pls learn to codeswitch


r/countttt • • Jun 10 '26

META What is countttt? 4tran faq and q&a for new ppl!

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Hi everyone! We've gotten a lot of new people, so I'd like to cover who we are, what we believe, etc.

  1. what is 4tran?

4tran is a loosely tied set of communities originating from the /lgbt/ board on 4chan, on reddit, discord, and other sites, for dysphoric trans people. 4tranners tend to be from less privileged backgrounds, more likely to be homeless, in the third world, etc., but not always.

  1. What does 4tran believe?

It's a very diverse community with many different beliefs, but at its core, we believe:

  • going through the wrong puberty causes irreversible changes to one's body.
  • these irreversible changes result in neurological sex dysphoria.
  • it is a priority to get on hormones at the same age that cis peers go through puberty to avoid this body horror. failing that, the best time to start HRT is ASAP.
  • the majority of doctors prescribing HRT either have out of date info or, sometimes purposely underdose trans people
  • DIY HRT is often safer, more effective, and more affordable than prescribed HRT, even (or especially) for minors
  • trans people who deal with dysphoria and have medical needs are in danger and need to be prioritized in trans activism
  1. What are our issues with the mainstream community? Well, it:
  • claims that any irreversible changes to bone structure are "phrenology"
  • claims that sex dysphoria is just "internalized transphobia" to get over, which in itself is transphobic for telling people their dysphoria is invalid
  • claims that going through body horror is not that bad. especially inexcusable when said to minors who can prevent it, like "you don't have to get on hrt right now, you have plenty of time".
  • tells people to always trust their doctors and treats doctors as supreme authorities on HRT, silencing trans men who mention their doctors lied about birth control and it caused breast growth
  • fearmongers about DIY, lying that trusted sources are poison, telling trans men they'll be locked up by police and also paralyzed, telling trans women they will die from blood clots when scientific evidence completely goes against this
  • forces "visibility" on people who want to assimilate or be stealth. talking about top surgery scars to the point that cis people can now clock them, sometimes even outing stealth trans people without their permission
  • prioritizes the feelings of cis people over the needs of trans people. often, especially from "allies", supporting drag queen story hour and pronoun pins over actually getting us HRT, and says lies like "nobody believes you can change your sex"

plus, there's a lot of needless sexualization, transmisogyny, treating trans men like women plus assuming the default sex for them is PIV, extreme sexualization in spaces with minors, and more!

This is not "just online" stuff unfortunately. This significantly affects trans communities offline too, and so, we have an alternative space to get away from that!

  1. Are you transmedicalist?

Nope! Transmedicalists believe in gatekeeping HRT from people they don't believe are trans enough. 4tranners want everyone who wants access to HRT to have it immediately. The mainstream is actually somewhat more transmedicalist actually, which you see in comments like "nobody says trans kids should get HRT immediately! We all agree they need a lengthy process with lots of therapy first".

  1. What about nonbinary people?

Nonbinary people are cool! They're welcome in 4tran, and we have a fair amount, though the community is mostly binary.

  1. What are those horrible transphobic drawings?

Pooner/hon art is art trans men and women make to vent and make fun of their dysphoria. It is not an expression of genuine transphobia, it's mostly just people venting about their dysphoria, that ended up turning into silly characters in the community.

  1. What do all the terms mean?

You'll kinda have to pick them up from context. Just memorizing definitions ruins the special quality our community has. If you're interested, and you stay for a bit, you'll learn.

  1. I'm cis and—

This community isn't for cis people, and that's okay! Not every community has to be for everyone.

  1. This community feels very toxic and awful, I'm getting infected with brainworms.

That's totally fair! You can mute the sub so it won't show up on your feed. You can also ask for a ban and we will ban you for as long as you need.

  1. I'm a minor and—

The dysphoric stuff we talk about can get very infectious and hurt minors. Get HRT, then leave (or just get banned!)

  1. Ok ms. yorp, what do you dislike about 4tran?

Often it can overcorrect or just cause drama, especially when minors lying about their age get involved. Obsession with whatever some cis person is saying on TikTok, arguments over whether someone is valid enough, drama over someone else passing or not passing, and people who definitely get a lot worse from spending time here spending far too long. Most of its overcorrections are mirrors of the issues I listed with the mainstream, like people completely spiraling about dysphoria even when they personally might not be doing badly.

  1. And what's your favorite thing about it?

There is no other trans community with half as much niche medical info, biohackers, and people who will help you get DIY HRT, and that's pretty cool!

  1. I think whatever website you're getting this jargon from is hurting you.

4tran gave me courage to fight for better HRT and FFS, an amazing boyfriend, and let me help a ton of other people to start HRT! It's been an incredibly positive force in my life, and has been for many others too. You can't just neatly file it away as the evil trans incel community.

In other terms, this sub is people with a very painful physical condition venting and finding ways to cope, outside of the failing official system. Imagine if a cis girl was given extremely high doses of testosterone at puberty against her will and developed a male bone structure, voice, and body/facial hair. she would want to vent! To find solutions! To learn to fit in. If society shunned her, and people who claimed to support her called her pain "toxic phrenology", it might cause her to completely break down and even try to kill herself. 4tran is a place for trans people who feel like her to escape that bigotry in the mainstream. there, we can find a community where, even if it seems toxic to outsiders, we can support each other and get the medication and support we need, even if it's not through the "official" channels doctors and liberal (as opposed to truly leftist) politicians want us to go through.


r/countttt • • 6h ago

Countttting 19141

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r/countttt • • 3h ago

cisgender extinction fungus 19164

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T Brittain Death


r/countttt • • 4h ago

Art 19154

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r/countttt • • 7h ago

Art 19120

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theyfab visits xer friend in prison after recent discourse


r/countttt • • 5h ago

Countttting 19146

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r/countttt • • 10h ago

Hopefuel 19094

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Think I’m gonna start cissie-positive posting. TCD and all, but there’s some cis people out there, who may not “get it”, but they get it as best as they can, and lowk that’s admirable to be able to understand something that can be so alien/intangible to them. Great exercisers of empathy.

There’s a lady on my instagram called tashika.ann who does the whole “I’ll record myself arguing with chuds” political content thing, and majority of her arguments are on “trans women are women”, and when asked the definition of women, she never fails to deliver a definition that fully legitimises trans women as women, not just males who identify as one.

Sometimes I just get shocked by how good some cis people are at understanding our issues, and how real their support as an ally is in face of so many “allies” that have shallow support. It’s a good feeling.

I think we desperately need to feel that understanding from cis people more but it’s rare and hard to find.

Tangentially, I’ve seen cis people say 4tran subreddits are the reason they’ve found this empathy.


r/countttt • • 7h ago

Board Screenshot 19127

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r/countttt • • 5h ago

ROPEFUEL 19152

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r/countttt • • 15h ago

Countttting 19042

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r/countttt • • 14h ago

ROPEFUEL 19056

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If you laugh you go to hell


r/countttt • • 15h ago

Countttting 19041

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Please donate to your local boymoder shelter


r/countttt • • 11h ago

Countttting 19080

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r/countttt • • 8h ago

Countttting 19116

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r/countttt • • 12h ago

DISAGREE? FUCK YOU 19076

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I hate the word valid so much oml


r/countttt • • 21h ago

ROPEFUEL 18968 NSFW

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good morning little comptop heighthons in my phone


r/countttt • • 8h ago

Countttting 19109

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Fun fact: there's a ton of name gender data out there! If any of you are still waiting to change your name, and are thinking of making it something nonstandard, definitely check the gender while ur at it


r/countttt • • 6h ago

Countttting 19137

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r/countttt • • 1h ago

Blogpost (read body) 19172

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hello gay people in my phone! i am a cis (?) 18 y/o guy who has for a very long time not been happy with my appearance and physical aspects of my body, mostly facial and body hair. I've considered the possibility that I'm trans, but I don't know if I want to be a girl per se, just that I don't want to be what I am right now. I don't particularly resonate with the idea of being a guy, and I dress somewhat feminine/have long hair/paint my nails/wear jewellery etc, but I don't care enough about my gender identity to be able to justify the hassle + cost of transitioning socially or medically. Maybe it makes sense to describe me as nonbinary or androgynous? Idk, but I believe people questioning their identity are allowed here.

Anyways, I was wondering if it is or is not a good idea to microdose estrogen to reduce my hair growth? I have an epilator but it's frustratingly slow, and I can't use it on my face and i absolutely hate how fast my facial hair grows back and what I look like with it. Soft skin and redistributed fat sound like nice perks, but I'd rather not grow boobs, I don't want to have to hide or have to explain them.

What are your thoughts? thanks!


r/countttt • • 3h ago

1️⃣ NSFW (lewd) 19163 NSFW

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r/countttt • • 13h ago

Countttting 19062

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r/countttt • • 7h ago

Countttting 19134

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the inevitable endpoint of all online discourse

no but fr a cis man is happy to joke about killing the bad 🚂🦵s but doesnt have the mental capacity to look at the same exact “joke” reflected back at him.


r/countttt • • 9h ago

ROPEFUEL 19099

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No pooner! Don't try dating that 'bi' woman who's only dated cis women so far and only asked for your number because she thought you were a masc lesbian


r/countttt • • 2h ago

cisgender extinction fungus 19166

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Insane that I have to read bullshit like this on the ballot of what's SUPPOSED TO BE one of the most transsexual-friendly places on earth