If anyone can use AI to build a competing business, your moat will be your business process -your special sauce for connecting everything together.

I'll be talking to Volker Stiehl next week, and was reading up on his latest idea of "Progressive BPM". If I am translating it from the German correctly, the core idea is that as AI agents are commoditized and their usage becomes wide spread, the role of Business Processes will be significantly expanded. BPM won't be about "digital transformation" and "operational efficiency", it will be THE CORE VALUE of a business. BPM will then be less focused on subtle improvements to existing systems, and become a direct driver for growth and expansion into new markets.

Volker's got a number of articles (German) linked below. I hope I gave it a fair synopsis.

https://www.procubator.com/blog/progressive-bpm-warum-prozessmanagement-neu-gedacht-werden-muss

https://www.procubator.com/blog/progressive-bpm-wie-aus-einem-kundenproblem-ein-geschftsmodell-wird

https://www.procubator.com/blog/progressive-bpm-beginnt-nicht-immer-auf-der-grnen-wiese

Do you think BPM will expand in the future? Will business analysts take over the world?

Are any other BAs or POs out there using BPMN to prototype applications or new features?

I have had some recent success with serveral clients iterating on their business requirements in a BPMN process by diagramming the steps, decisions, and interactions, then running and testing that process with stakeholders and developers to explore how it would work. The diagram becomes a working prototype that helps uncover missing requirements and gather feedback early. In one case we were able to expand the BPMN process from prototype to production.

If you’re doing this, how has it worked for your team? If you haven’t tried it, would you be interested in discussing the approach?

Plone is a popular open source content management system. Asko Soukka from the University of Jyväskylä is working on a Plone extension that is presented last month at the Plone conference. Checkout the repository at https://github.com/collective/bpmn-with-plone which offers a GitHub code spaces where you try it out instantly. The docs are also worth a read. Asko's put some good thought into this, and even included some integration patterns specific to content management systems that are worth a quick read.

One of our clients implemented a back button in their user interface that would allow end users to move back to previous user tasks.

It was working fine, but we ran into some difficulties around multi-instance sub-processes that took some time to unravel.

Handing an end user the ability to reverse steps in a BPMN process might be a bad thing for all kinds of reasons. In their case, they are mostly doing user tasks. So it's not a problem. But if there were service tasks, or message events in their process, this could get ugly quick. You've given end users a button that looks benign, but might do catastrophic things.

I wonder if this comes up often for other folks, and how you talk to people about it.

Please forgive this vibe coded image. I didn't use it with the client, but I think it starts to illustrate some of the problems maybe.

BPMN is important. There is a major role for it to play in the age of AI. People all over the world continue to use it to solve problems. It is worthy of a well maintained sub-reddit. This community is valuable.

I'm going to spend a few hours this afternoon reviewing current settings and giving it a little bit of a refresh.

I'm a new moderator to r/bpmn and I wanted to see if I could get some of us talking again.

I've got a few questions for you:

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Hi!

I'm looking for two exercises (one basic, one more advanced) for newly trained modelers as a final exam.

I created two exercises for this in the past, but now employees have just started sharing the final versions, so I need some new exercises. Do you have anything you could share with me via message?

Thanks alot

First of all: Hi folks.

I don't know how to put this, so I'll be frank: where are the S,I,O & C from SIPOC in BPMN 2.0? Is this just a limitation of most modeling software? I tried camunda modeler. No luck. In Bizagi, you can add custom XML, but that is incredibly cumbersome.

I'll admit, I am new to this, but I kind of expected, well, uh, more? In the information age, all this stuff seams to be rather useless if I cannot define which tables/documents/fields/pathnames/api endpoints/<you name it> are inputs for a specfic task and which outputs get written to where,

Is it really just me, or is there something big missing here?

Cheers, André

I'm trying to document an end to end process from Sales through to delivery, breaking each phase into a detailed process diagram. This phase sits between Sales creating an initial quote and documentation in the form of an SOW. The process here is Sales initiating a review of the project as a multi-team event.

Hi there!

For a university project I am researching frameworks and APIs to programmatically generate BPMN (standard conform xml).

I found:

- Programmatically creating a process - Developers / General - Forum - bpmn.io

- Eclipse BPMN2 Modeler | The Eclipse Foundation

- nikku/bpmn-js-cli-modeling-dsl: A modeling DSL for bpmn-js (github.com)

- Excel-add in creation of BPMN via Add-in

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The last one does not create valid BPMN.

Does the community have some ideas on what would be the best way to transform a given process description into valid BPMN?

Greetings :)

Hi Guys,

I have BPMN files without the DI part - so just the logical process description.

is there any way to automatically create the DI parts from those files ? I don't want to create all those diagrams manually.

Hey Guys I’m ask to provide a process framework for an it Organisation within a company. I was wondering if there are some best practices / templates already somewhere ? I wouldn’t really want to charge my customer to do that from scratch. Any hints ?

Has anyone tried operational dashboards for BPMN?

Ideally something open source and easy to try. We have a BPMN for loan approvals written in Activiti and would love something to show us where things are without lots of scaffolding.

Ideally open source. Have heard of Celonis, Optimize but not sure where to start.

Hi, looking for some advice about the correct notation etc for a process I am creating for work. The picture is my first stab but I am not sure it flows correctly (detail is fake as company sensitive, but matches the real process)

So the company are using a third party app to send out a finite number of special offers to two sets of users. The offer needs to go out to priority A users first and they can accept the offer in the app. The offering manager can then approve the user. If the offer allocation isn't filled by a week before the end of the offer, the app will open it up to the priority B users.

I am struggling to work out how to call out that the app pushes the offer to priority B users but only if its in the time period and there is still available offers.

Can anyone look at this and point me in the right direction Thanks

I need to make a diagram for the process of ordering raw materials from a supplier, using my company's system. Do I need a lane for the information system? Or can I just do the diagram without it and assume that all interactions occurr via the information system?

Hey everybody!

Wondering what everybody’s thoughts are on co-opting BPMN to visualize what a customer clicks on from a UI perspective, and how that triggers system responses on the merchants end. Let’s use the example of signing up for a credit card:

If we solely focus on the customers interaction with the bank website, and match those interactions with what happens on the banks end behind the scenes (talking highly automated events of systemic authentication, webpage displays, etc.), does this type of mapping have a place in BPMN? And before we talk about “well BPMN could technically be used for anything,” I understand that; looking for what it should be used for, and what better solutions there are for this type of mapping, or if BPMN is perfect for this, why?

Thanks in Advance!

I started learning BPMN in college and it's really interested me, I wanted to know how do I build a career around BPMN or what job roles use BPMN. Also wanted to know where to learn the advanced topics of BPMN and also what do I learn after the advanced topics, do I just practice modelling?

I don't know what to call this, but I know it exists, but I'm having trouble finding it. I have already used several process modeling tools with BPMN language. But what I want to do is create a workflow that can be programmed to instantiate tasks.

For example: An order receipt flow. I would like to integrate my sales order system to the BPMN flow and demonstrate in the flow all instances of registered orders and in which stage of the flow each order is located. Allowing me to detect any bottlenecks in my process in real time.

Does anyone have any idea how I can achieve this result? I know this exists, but I'm having a hard time finding a tool. If you can at least indicate a path for me to research, it will be of great help.

Hi everyone, for my masters thesis I'm researching the influence of BPMN modelling direction on a user's perceived understandability of the model. For this purpose I'm searching for BPMN users (analysts, researchers, teachers) who are interested in participating in a qualitative interview regarding the topic. If you are interested, please let me know and we can schedule a short 20-30min online meeting. Thanks in advance!

Hello all! I have created such a diagram to image the process of a mortgage offer processing. But I’m still puzzled by this email event/task. I have tried reading related materials, but it didn’t help to clear things up.

When exactly should we use these elements? Can they be used in a mix, as in my diagram: task to send email and event to get email? (At the point of “send documents for approval”)

I’ll appreciate you sharing some answers with me

Hello, everyone.

I am a student and I am trying to understand how the tokens behave in this process model. My answers are incorrect and I keep trying to tackle them from different logic, but I am still learning and cannot fully grasp how the behaviour of tokens will be. Any assistance is really greatly appreciated! Thank you :)

Hello guys! I've started learning BMPN diagrams not long ago, and I've devised one for the case of request handling by an event agency.

So, customer sends a request with description of event, date and place. Event agency should check if there are no conflict events on that date and in that place and if yes, suggest another option. Once everything is agreed regarding date, place, the agency sends the detailed to the customer to fill in. The customer should fill it not later than 200 days before an event. If he is late, the request is not taken into work.

If someone can take a look at it,I’ll be happy :)