When I first started watching BCS, Howard was my least favorite character and seemed to be the biggest antagonist within the law storylines, as I was pulling for young, hungry Jimmy to make his mark on the world. Early on he seemed worse than Chuck even.

But season by season it becomes abundantly clear that Howard is one of the most honorable, respectable, truly great human beings in the BCS universe, while Jimmy’s descent into Saul Goodman becomes a character no sane person can say is worth truly rooting for despite his charismatic appeal.

Simply amazing character arch’s in opposing directions and I’m genuinely devastated at how things ended for my guy Howard. He deserved so much better…..

Question for any legal professionals here on the Chicanery episode: how realistic is the debate they’re having over the tape’s evidentiary value? They’re opening up by stating that Chuck was “building a case” on the contents of the tape, but that’s where this feels like it’s already flying off the rails: this tape is evidence in a case that has a nonexistent stack of paperwork attached and zero actual legal proceedings? When it comes down to “destruction of evidence”, is the bar for “evidence” really that low? If someone tears up my Bon Jovi poster, can i make it a felony by claiming “it was going to be evidence in a trial, i just haven’t turned it over to my lawyer”?

They’re almost arguing about whether it actually would be evidence in a hypothetical-case against Jimmy, but if the case itself is hypothetical, then is it evidence? What if the case never happens(which we know is how it plays out. And Chuck even admitted so to Howard away from the bar hearing).

why does he have so much beef with jimmy 😭 i hate this fucker so much, he’s annoying and rude and SO entitled. please tell me he doesn’t get worse 🥀 im like screaming at the tv whenever hes on screen 😭

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I'm about to watch the series finale, but before I do out of curiosity, how long was the time gap between the end of Breaking Bad and the final season Better Call Saul? I mean both in universe time and in terms of when the shows release times to be clear.

I ask because Aaron Paul's guest appearances at the end of this last season really threw me off. Maybe it's because I'm just coming off a rewatch of El Camino but it's just weird season Aaron Paul dressed up as young Jesse Pinkman even though he still looks (facial looks speaking) like El Camino Jesse because Aaron is so much older now.

I don't really have a problem with the facial changes in El Camino because, for one, they didn't have Aaron dressing like he's cosplaying a younger version of his own character but also Jesse was tortured for a long time so it kinda just makes sense to me he'd age from that but in BCS idk to me how much Aaron Paul looks as a young Jesse is world breaking for me.

Anyways, this isn't to hate on Aaron Paul. On the small chance he ever sees this, I'm just some guy on the internet giving a shit take. I still love this universe, and all these stories, the fan service of having Jesse with a significantly older Aaron Paul, just threw me off.

I have completed the rewatch of BCS till S06E09. Several reels and Gus too have suggested to start from here to BrBa. Now i have already watched BrBa earlier. I am not thinking to go it all over again.

Can you guys suggest the major episodes where Saul, Mike and Gus have major roles? I would like to watch that and then maybe comeback and finish the later episodes of BCS.

Again BCS is much better than BrBa but BCS would not have existed without BrBa. So let’s go with it.

Thanks.

Personally I've been thinking wormald since I can chalk up what Werner did to being the result of Stockholm syndrome, thinking Mike was his good friend that would forgive him

Between BB & BCS, 338 people die. Some of them, we applaud their deaths (Don Eladio, Todd, Tuco, Lydia etc). Some we are shocked by (Gus, Lalo, Howard). But I'm wondering in specific, what are the tragedies. It'd be easy to say "they're ALL tragedies," but then, which are the very worst. The saddest, most unnecessary of all the killings?

Here's my top 5:

1) Drew Sharpe, the kid on the bike in the desert. His whole life ahead of him, done nothing wrong but be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
2) Andrea. Her little brother forced into selling drugs and then murdered. Her serious boyfriend (Jesse) ghosts her, her son gets severely, nearly fatally ill and then she's shot to death out of the blue to teach Jesse a lesson.
3) Nacho Varga. He made mistakes, sure, but his death was so avoidable except for his love of his father. The gun to his father's head sealed his fate far in advance of the arrival of the bullets.
4) Werner Ziegler. Not a bad man. Honestly, a delightful one. But, couldn't follow orders.
5) Chuck McGill. A bad man. I mean, barely, when compared to the monsters on these two shows, but definitely an obsessive talent whose main goal seemed to be the desire to hold his brother down. His suicide was nonetheless tragic.

Bonus Mentions: Mike's son, killed for being an honest cop. Every passenger on Wayfarer Flt 515, and honestly, I'd say Jesse Pinkman, except that he lives. Sort of.

I just had a big brain moment that I had to share, may be obvious but it took me watching this show for the millionth time to notice. I'm on s6ep6 where Jimmy and Kim are at the vets office testing out the drug they'll eventually use on Howard to frame him as a drug addict, and the vet mentions how he wants to quit the illegal side of his business and focus exclusively on his veterinarian practice. He points to a cork board with all these letters and pictures of the animals he's saved and comments on how THAT is what he does it for.

As the vet leaves the room, Jimmy comments how it's such a shame for him to give it all up but Kim walks to the cork board, looks at it, at says "well, he knows what he wants".

For the vet his TRUE passion is saving animals and it's displayed on the cork board in his office, whereas at home Kim's cork board is the scheme against Howard.

Immediately following this scene we see Kim in court arguing on behalf of a client how his rights were violated. Kim's whole reasoning for the Howard scheme is so they can get the sandpiper money to fund her pro bono cases, but at this point we know she's just doing it for the love of the game. The contrast between the vet's cork board and Kim's cork board creates an interesting parallel where Kim believes she is just like the vet, and that she is doing bad to do good, but in reality the bad is what she puts in a cork board proudly not her pro bono cases.

Idk I just really enjoyed the little cork board comparison and the vet being a foil to Kim in that moment, I know everybody in this sub enjoys that little stuff too.

Kim was a great character but from s5 the mr Acker situation it doesnt make sense.

First as a lawyer you never represent yourself or get in conflict with opposing councel on private grounds. Never. She offered to withdraw once Jimmy got in but a real lawyer would just withdraw, end off. She would be liable for disciplinary action if she didnt.

Paige also would never allow such thing. Never.

Jimmy right back into lawyering, himself would be liable for another disciplinary sanction just by accepting the case. Even if Kim wouldnt turn him in, surely her team or Schweikart would use this threat in a heartbeat.

Kevin might be an idiot but putting his whole firm on just one outside councel lawyer was stupid. Kim either would be demsnded to beef up herself with more lawyers or Mesa Verde would have a much bigger inhouse legal team talking sense into him with keeping Kim.

The whole Acker plot blowing up Kims idea for law also doesnt make any sense (or ackers stance); you go through law school you pretty quickly step off the idealism:dura lex sed lex.

In turn: jimmy would either be cured in law school from slippin, or he would never get through. He never acts like a highly educated person, mail law school or not.

My partner and I were throwing funny what-ifs at each other for the series and this one made us talk a lot. I argued that Saul commissioned unemployed film students and even staged the billboard rescue so there's no way he would find fun in just generating his brand. But my partner brings up a good point that he is one to cut corners.

Regardless we both agree that he would kick ass at arguing cases fighting against or for its usage. Anyways, fun hypothetical: what do you guys think?

Where is this scene in real life?​ I'm very curious. ​hahaha

I love nacho as a character but I don’t think he’s very sympathetic honestly. He presumably turned down his dad’s steady blue collar work to be a cartel goon, and then systematically took out the people closest to him that trusted him, and was about to do the same to Lalo. He voluntarily chose this life, I’m not saying Tuco or Hector or Lalo didn’t deserve to die, but he voluntarily chose the cartel then was appalled at the violence and moral depravity. You can’t have it both ways.

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Kim (as Kevin): Bottom line, breaking ground. More statues. Kim, you get him now. Blah blah blah. Blah blahhh blah blah blah. Blah blah blah.

Saul: [quirks his head]

Kim: What?

Saul (as Kim): Kevin?

Kim (as Kevin): Yes, Kim?

Saul (as Kim): Would you like to take a shower with me?

Kim (as Kevin): Well, shoot. I believe I would.

“We were texting each other just a few weeks ago - figuring out when we could meet for lunch. I don't know if that lunch would have changed his future... But I do know that I loved him.”

Insincere. Insincere!

LOVED how the more Jimmy bullshitted that committee, the more they felt this was not right. And missing mentioning Chuck, what was he thinking? Slippin Jimmy. What a brilliant episode. Acting was outstanding by Odenkirk.

RJ's death completely shocked me today.

His cause of death hasn't been revealed, but it appears to be due to the one thing that most of us fear when hearing a young person randomly die.

I know that when a death like this happens, the same message I'm saying here gets repeated over and over. But it needs repeating:

Please look after yourself and look out for others.

If it happens to a beloved actor from a famous TV show, it can happen to anyone.

List of suicide-crisis lines and the countries they're in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines

Anyone else notice how much of the show is just Mike walking around silently? I am on my first watch(currently on season 3) and it's pretty good! Should I expect even more Mike walking around scenes?

Every time they sabotage Howard I’m genuinely befuddled. Like why are they doing this?? Jimmy is so audacious blaming Howard for Chucks death when it was really his fault. Kim oh Kim, I was rooting for her so bad. But nooo she wants to have her cake and eat it too - scolding Jimmy for doing his nonsense but ready to turn a blind eye when it benefits her. Girl stood up to Lalo for 10 seconds and now she thinks she’s the big I am and thinks she can just ruin peoples careers. And for what???

They’re going to end up driving Howard to his death, I can sense it. Both Kim and Jimmy can get their karma at this point.

Edit: btw when I say ‘why are they doing this’ I mean why to this degree. It’s being interpreted as though I’ve not watched the show up until this point and therefore not seen the explanations within the show. my thing is does the extent they’re taking this sabotage equate to how Howard actually acted towards them

Edit: omg I got to that scene and was gagged. I knew that was going to be Howard’s end I just didn’t expect it to come in that way. Finally finished the season and what a show BCS is. My gosh

Just found out. Can't believe it.