https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpD_KrKu7oQ

The Basque language is unrelated to other language families and they claim to have stayed broadly culturally isolated. However genetically they're similar to the rest of Europe in that they're some part Hunter Gatherer, some part Anatolian Neolithic Farmer and some part Western Steppe Herder.

Their mythology is brief. It's shown in the dark green in the diagram below. Alongside it I've shown extracts from Sumerian, Norse and a little bit of Greek theology trees and made some possible connections.

The Basque gods aren't explicitly described as a continuous theogony tree in the available source but there are indications for which chunk came first given that as goddesses Eguzki and Ilargi are described as grandmothers whereas Mari is described as only a mother.

People may disagree with the links to Sumerian and Norse but I think there's potential here. The Basques emerged out of the Proto-Indo-European milieu like other European cultures. If we accept that myths trace the migrations Europe millennia back into the early Holocene then we would expect continuity.

The strongest link is Sumerian Enki to Eguzki/Ekhi. They are phonetically similar and both are the children of a Mother Earth figure. I think it's possible that the Basque Mother Earth figure may even relate back to Sumerian Lahamu due to the 'Lur' name, but this may not be the case. (Clearly the Basque pantheon is a truncated skeleton of the of the Sumerian and other Indo-European trees and it's possible to see how different gods could have become merged under one figure.)

Enki also has links to the sun via his children but if Enki could be either North Africa or Anatolia, as I currently think he could be, then it doesn't really pip down the location.

Looking at Indo-European trees broadly, I really think that these mythic couples relate the same group mixing event:

Norse 1 - Iðunn + Þjazi

Norse 2 - [ ] + Suttungr

Greek 1 - Dione + Zeus [Saturn]

Greek 2 - Mendeis + Sithon

Sumerian - Ningal + Sin

Egyptian - Nut + Geb (very broad HG + Farmer categories)

Pheonian - [a beloved concubine of Uranus] (name lost) + Siton

To explain these, from what we know of these gods collectively I think that the 'Sithon' male figure represented early migration of farming people who have settled in south Anatolia in 7500 BC and I think his wife, 'Mendeis' represents regions of southern Greece and Italy which at this time is still the territory of the Western Hunter Gatherers although I think these people must have been the Titans. Soon after they must have become the kingdoms of Atlantis/Enki, a Levantine group expanding from the Levant through North Africa. That's not to say that the Western Hunter Gatherers of Wester Europe became Levantine at this time but that this was the dominant ruling force.

Perhaps the Sattungr/Saturn related to Italy given that Sattungr's child is Gunnlöð who is associated with poetry like the Titan Mnemosyne (Atlantean Mneseus) who I think is in Italy.

I imagine there could have been a royal marriage between the Western Hunter Gatherers of South Greece and the new Levantine Farmers around 6700 BC when the farmers move into South Greece. North Greece remained Western Hunter Gatherer until the 8.2ka Event in 6200 BC, and time of the sinking of Atlantis and deluge in Greece. I think North Greece was seen as Uranus/Tiamat.

The question is whether the Basque Mari + Maju/Sugaar could represent this same pair if it existed. Suttungr is an interesting link to Sugaar, and Mari as representing mountains and cave spirits could align to Hunter Gatherers living in southern Greece.

Atarrabi escapes being forced to produce flour. The Igigi were forced into 2500 years of labour, I make the link but I'm not sure. The next story is the origin of agriculture so you might claim it makes sense to come before this but there's a logic to suggest that if there was agriculture under Enki in North Africa, that maybe some Iberomaurusian slaves escaped into Spain in 6000BC? Taking their language with them, and then returned back to a hunter gatherer lifestyle? Only to want agriculture again at a later date, I don't know.

The next part of the Basque myth is very informative. The story goes that the nearby Basajaun start practicing metallurgy and agriculture which is then stolen by Martin Txiki and taken to the Basques. The earliest metallurgy found in Spain dates to just after 5000 BC. Agriculture appear to arrive in the Basque country earlier in 5600 BC and metallurgy as late as after 3000BC. Our metallurgy data is pretty spare, farming however had followed the Atlantic coast of Iberia as far as France by 5000 BC, I think it's possible metallurgy was occurring to a small degree in this area. The Basques are on the opposite side of the France-Spain neck, and this area matches details of the story.

Basajaun is therefore the Pisces/Tartessos people who may have taken in a large portion of the fleeing Levantine Atlanteans.

Lastly the Jentil. This word is though to be adopted from Latin 'Gentile' but we have no proof of this, it's possible that this is a rare occasion of a common word type, it's also similar to the Norse Jotnar and both Jentil and Jotnar mean giants. Jentil becomes associated with the megalithic Dolmens of 3500 BC, so that one's pretty self explanatory.

This is where my combined Indo-European tree attempt is at currently. The marriage mentioned before is shown to the left of the blue Cronos box.

Deep dive into the celestial orientations of Maltese temples and how some may have been aligned to the timing of Plato's Atlantis.

TLDR: The rectangular plain of Atlantis and the circular ditch surrounding it have the same perimeter length. This is a reference to the classical mathematical problem of "squaring the circle", or to be more exact "rectifying the circle", which Plato popularized as a mathematical problem and philosophical symbol. Basically, "rectifying the circle" is a riddle about solving for the value of Pi, and Plato has encoded this ancient dilemma into his dialogue. 

Plain Shape: Rectangular 
Plain: 3,000 stadia x 2,000 stadia 
Plain Perimeter = 10,000 Stadia

Ditch Shape = Circular
Ditch Circumference = 10,000 stadia

Detailed Analysis
The upcoming portions go into more detail and can be long winded. I fully expect this to be criticized, so I'm trying to cover all my bases. Also, Plato just leaves a lot of clues to talk about. 

Interpreting the Shape and Dimensions of the Plain
In the story of Atlantis, from the Critias dialogue, Plato describes a large plain on which the city of Atlantis resides when he says "I will now describe the plain, as it was fashioned by nature and by the labours of many generations of kings through long ages. It was for the most part rectangular and oblong"

Plato provides dimensions when he goes on to state the plain is "smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia."

What we can gather from these passages is that the plain is a natural feature that has also been modified by humans over multiple generations. The shape can be simplified as a 3 x 2 rectangle. 

If we assume the plain is a perfect rectangle, then the perimeter would come out to be 10,000 stadia and the area would be 6,000,000 stadia squared. 

Plain Shape: Rectangular 
Plain Dimensions: 3,000 stadia x 2,000 stadia
Plain Perimeter = 10,000 stadia
Plain Area = 6,000,000 stadia squared

One reason to assume the plain is a perfect rectangle comes up when Plato provides dimensions for plots of land. He wrote "each of the lots in the plain had to find a leader for the men who were fit for military service, and the size of a lot was a square of ten stadia each way, and the total number of all the lots was sixty thousand."

Lot Shape = Square
1 plot of land = 10 stadia x 10 stadia = 100 stadia squared
Total Lot Area = 100 stadia squared x 60,000 lots = 6,000,000 stadia squared
Plain Area = 6,000,000 stadia squared

So, if a perfect rectangle is assumed, then the area of the plain is equal to the total area of the lots based on 2 separate descriptions. It's reassuring to see consistency throughout Plato's numbers. It seems more intentional. 

Oblong
However... Plato refers to the plain as "oblong" twice. Why would he provide rectangular dimensions while also making a distinction that it is oblong? Oblong usually refers to a rectangle, but it can also refer to any shape that is longer than it is wide, such as an oval. 

This is where the surrounding ditch starts to play into it. 

The Ditch:
There is a ditch, or moat, that surrounds the plain. Plato refers to it as a "circular ditch" when describing the shape. Plato goes on further to say "it was carried round the whole of the plain, and was ten thousand stadia in length." 

We get a little more clarity regarding the oblongness when Plato refers to the edge of the plain as "where falling out of the straight line followed the circular ditch". Meaning, the plain has straight edges that only curve when intersecting a surrounding ditch. Basically, the plain is a rectangle with radii, instead of 90 degree angles, on each corner. The radii on the corners of the rectangular plain are formed by the surrounding ditch. This would better fit the description of "for the most part rectangular and oblong"

So, we can deduce the ditch was most likely a circle, or even perhaps an oval, and encompassed the entire plain. Where this gets interesting is when Plato said the length of the ditch was "ten thousand stadia in length". If by “length” of a circle he means circumference, then the circumference of the ditch has the same perimeter as the plain, which is 10,000 stadia. A visual representation of these shapes is shown below.

Ditch Shape: Circle
Circumference of Ditch = 10,000 stadia

Plain Shape: Rectangle
Perimeter of Plain = 10,000 stadia

Plato is outright stating the perimeter of the rectangular plain is equal to the circumference of the circular ditch.

Rectangle Perimeter = Circle Circumference

It starts to present a dilemma and Plato knows it. 

Rectifying the Circle (Squaring the Circle)

Definition of Rectifying the Circle:
"The challenge of rectifying the circle is the classical geometric problem of constructing a straight line whose length is exactly equal to the circumference of a given circle using only an unmarked straightedge and a compass.”

So… we defined the plain as a rectangle and the ditch as a circle, both with equal perimeters. We can find the perimeter of the rectangle by measuring the sides with a ruler and adding up the dimensions. Then, to draw a circle with the same perimeter, we need to set the compass to the correct radius, but we don't have the value for the radius. We do have a value for the circumference, since it is equal to the perimeter of the rectangle, but we don't have the radius of the circle. You could theoretically solve for the radius, by using the value of Pi.

In Plato's time, the value for Pi had not been fully discovered yet, although approximations existed. For general use, the number 3 could be used to get rough calculations and was probably used in antiquity. Eventually, the ancient Babylonians landed on a value of 25/8 (3.125) for Pi around 1900BCE. Later on, the Egyptians reportedly had a value of 256/81 (3.1605) by 1650BCE. Afterwards, Archimedes calculated Pi to be near 22/7 (3.1428), but this was after Plato's lifetime.

The approximations for Pi could provide a circumference that was very close to, but not exactly equal to the perimeter of a square or rectangle. It was a challenge in ancient times to solve this dilemma, essentially referred to as "rectifying the circle". It is more popularly known as a similar problem of "squaring the circle", which is basically the same thing, but it involves area instead of perimeter. 

It was a brain teaser for ancient mathematicians. Their approximation for Pi could get close, but never exact with the mathematical tools and methods available at that time. It wasn't until 1882 when it was proven that Pi is a transcendental number, meaning you cannot solve for Pi by using algebraic equations with rational coefficients. Basically, you can't solve for Pi using fractions and algebra. The ancient Greeks did not use the decimal point, they only had fractions. This is why it was such an intriguing phenomenon to the ancient Greeks. No matter how hard they tried, they just could not get their equations to result in a perimeter that was an exact match between square and circle. Plato himself was well known for being influenced by, and heavily interested in, the riddle of solving the exact value of Pi. 

Plato Popularized the Challenge of Rectifying the Circle
He's even the one that made up the rules to use only an unmarked straightedge and a compass. Plato was highly against using curved tools, such as the Quadratrix, to solve the problem. He felt it violated the rules and strayed away from the original intent of the game. The intent of the game is to basically solve for Pi. Curved measuring tools cannot be used since Pi is naturally built into the curvature of the tool.
Perhaps more importantly, Plato used this mathematical enigma as a metaphor and incorporated it into his philosophical teachings. These geometrical problems were even taught throughout his academy. To Plato, a true circle was a representation of perfection. The rectangle represented the limitations of reality.

It is through all these connections that we can determine Plato is very intentional with the numbers and shapes he is using when describing the Atlantean plain and ditch.  

Overall Meaning
So, why would Plato include this mathematical riddle in the story of Atlantis? One take is that it goes hand in hand with the story by symbolizing the perfect society the Atlanteans strived for and ultimately fell short of. Maybe it shows the Atlanteans were highly intellectual and incorporated the value of Pi into earthworks. It could just be that Plato really enjoys this mathematical problem and included it into one of his dialogues as a riddle for the reader. 
Finally, it shows that Plato is placing hints through his texts. He is very intentional with his word choice and numbers. He doesn't outright state anything about rectifying the circle, but it is in there, buried within the fine details. We can’t assume this is the one and only single instance Plato does this. These ideas, hidden behind numerical values and molded by descriptions, are likely placed throughout the Timaeus and Critias dialogue, and perhaps other works by Plato.  

If you found all of this interesting, keep an eye out for Part 2 as I speculate that Plato provided an estimated value of Pi in the Critias text and Atlantis is involved once again. It will be titled something like:

The Atlantis Plain & Ditch: Plato's Estimation of Pi (Part 2)

FACT (ESTIMATES ASIDE)

So there's a "1.5 mile" deep canyon under the Nile according to Randall Carlson (based on out of date data, It seems to not actually be this deep but indeed there is a canyon under the Nile. This is fact)

THEORY

....and there is also supposedly artificial structures or deep cutouts found (supposedly) under the pyramids of Giza ( recent lidar scans show multiple vertical tunnels dug down into the rock) that are reportedly 650 meters deep......and the structures are claimed to be around 38,000 years old....so did they dig them from the side of the canyon up? Rather than from the pyramid down?

I can't really see why you would dig shafts that deep under the pyramids should these scans be proven true. Could it be to draw water up into the pyramid from the canyon?

It's highly interesting that they both have the same sort of measurements of depth.

Carlson seems to be quoting older models suggested that the Mediterranean sea messinian salinity crisis caused a drop of sea level by 1500 meters - the empty bath tub theory - but a "2022 study that carefully restored the buried Nile canyon to its original shape" suggests the actual drop was ......around 600 meters, coincidence?

If like me you had no idea there was a canyon under Cario and the Nile please view the video titled:

"The hidden grand canyon beneath the Nile river"

On youtube. It's fascinating.

So was the canyon used to dig these tunnels many thousands of years before the pyramids themselves were built? (Probably not no but it's a cool idea)

It seems obviously on old maps that it’s in the ocean between Spain and Africa, the island of Atlantis is like literally next to it. Has anyone checked out the coast of Cádiz in Spain? It seems pretty obvious, instead of the others rumors in Azores or Richart Structure. Even seen a few articles where they found a ship wreck carrying Orchidium.

Amongst his summary thoughts Ben Van Kerkwyk states that he thinks the flared designs of Egyptian columns with lotus flowers or palms may have been inherited motifs from a prior culture. He infers that some of these flared leaf designs are found even on some of the precise granite artefacts he's interested in, I think.

He mentioned lotus flower or palm leaf designs but actually the most common pillar leaf is the papyrus umbel.

This is papyrus:

This is a distribution map. During the African Humid period this belt around tropical Africa would have expanded up a bit.

These are some papyrus inspired Egyptian columns.

These are some Sudanese people harvesting papyrus.

This is what a real papyrus column could have looked like.

There is also this common column shape.

Which could be the representation of a bucked column perhaps.

The Egyptian Ra-Goddesses tend to carry a papyrus-ended-staff rather than the Was-sceptre and these goddesses might be linked to Atlantis. Bastet also commonly carried a basket, which could have been made of papyrus. This is some of these goddesses plus their children.

I think it could have been that papyrus was abundant around Atlantis and, yes although not mentioned by Plato, perhaps some buildings were made of papyrus and the motif of papyrus columns was brought to Egypt by fleeing Atlanteans? It could be it developed in Egypt without any help as well, but I think the papyrus-ended-staff link is interesting.

I like the fact that this guy, Ben van Kerkwyk, picked the niche topic of granite vase measurement and has made it interesting. This is a pretty long video and I didn't watch all of it but the end summery from 1hr 16min 30secs in, is good and it's interesting that he's approaching the idea of Egypt having inherited a past culture from his angle of artefact precision.

Elements and specific artefacts from other sites might be older and I that the style of architecture, imagery could probably came from a pre-Egyptian people. I'd even go so far to say writing could have predated Egypt by thousands of years.

I also disagree with some of his opinions, he infers that the pyramids might be older than we think which just can't be the case because we know for certain that they were built in the reins of Khufu and Khafre so that's an unfortunately take. I also disagree with his framing of this past culture as being especially advanced. He uses terms like "machining stone" which implies ancient power tools which poor use of language. They didn't even have metal before 5000 BC or we would deter the smelting. Following this I also don't think there was a 'global cataclysm' that destroyed their advanced knowledge because again I don't think they had advanced knowledge. Nonetheless that doesn't rule out that there could have been a pretty well developed civilisation prior to Egypt, making vases, sailing the world. The reason that this would be poorly recorded could be because the records turn into what we call myth over time.

I think there was a migration from West Africa into Egypt at the end of the African Humid Period and that some of these people may have included people from Atlantis, at least those that didn't settle in places like Spain and Southern Europe. More speculatively I think these arriving people may have led to the concept of Horus and the construction of the Sphinx. We can't piece together everything but this guy makes the point that denying that there was any developed culture or civilisation prior to Egypt is itself a theory, an unsupported theory, and one that doesn't align with artefacts we find and evidence in myth and accounts.

What did Plato write?

This is the Hathor Temple, also called the Dendera temple. On the roof you can see a little chapel in a corner which is where the circular Dendera Zodiac was found, then on the right you have the big box area which is full of highly decorated ceilings and pillars and in the basement are the famous depictions of the Dendera Lights and there's a load out other bits.

The room with those dots is the main space with the hieroglyphs.

This is that space inside from this 3D photo https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1213765254121768

And this is a full ceiling plan

It's orientated to north, on the far right is the east wing with half a zodiac and on the far left on the west wing there's the other half. God knows what the rest of the ceiling is saying.

Looking at the east half you can spot the zodiac signs between other gods and goddesses. This sequence starts from Aries, Aquarius, Pisces and so on to Cancer. Then the western side starts with Capricorn and runs through to Leo.

This is a little odd because the order reverses, you might expect the west side to go Leo to Capricorn but it goes backwards, there appears to be a reason to all this which we'll get into.

This is a close up of the east side, the people face to the right so it reads right to left. In the top row are the zodiac amongst other gods and goddesses, You can see Aquarius holding some water jugs on the left and then Pisces further left half cut off.

There are twelve goddess with stars above their heads in both east and west zodiac sequences and either are called the night hour goddesses, which we can infer as the twelve goddesses of the Amduat, given that with is a story of Ra through the night with a goddess named for each hour.

This is a closer view of the same scene, you can see the nigh hour goddesses with stars on their heads and there are also other gods like the falcon-headed man in the middle.

Now, the Amduat appears to be a timeline of the Holocene with each hour being around 720 years (each hour is also a map with south as up) at least that number works well, giving us this:

Amduat hour and period

1. 10,400 BC - 9,680 BC
2. 9,680 BC - 8,960 BC
3. 8,960 BC - 8,240 BC
4. 8,240 BC - 7,520 BC
5. 7,520 BC - 6,800 BC
6. 6,800 BC - 6,080 BC
7. 6,080 BC - 5,360 BC
8. 5,360 BC - 4,640 BC
9. 4,640 BC - 3,920 BC
10. 3,920 BC - 3,200 BC
11. 3,200 BC - 2,480 BC
12. 2,480 BC - 1,760 BC

We can draw this conclusion because these time periods align with historical events such as:

• Wheat and cows significant to Hour 2, matching their first cultivation/breeding,
• Black blades as opposed to white blades appearing in this hour, like obsidian,
• A number of pillared-people in both Hours 1 and 2 like the Tas Tepeler,
• In Hour 4 we see depicts of the routes to Rostau from the Book of Ways which we separately can identify as routes into Humid Africa, this hours aligns to when these routes would have become accessible,
• In Hour 8 everyone is weaving when weaving takes off,
• In Hour nine linen is being produced en masse in the top left where Egypt is,
• In Hour 10 lakes are a key feature on the lower register and there is higher than normal fluctuations in European lakes at this time and more people living around lakes
• In Hour 11 there is the unification of upper and lower Egypt crowns.
• In Hour 11 at the bottom (north) there's also an invasion of easter people at the time the Steppe people take over Europe.
• In Hour 12 Egypt expands east just as Egypt expanded east into the Levant.

Therefore the night hour goddesses between the zodiac signs book-end each sign into a date.

We already know the region of each Zodiac sign by way of association of the sign (and the three decans), they are:

• Cancer - Anatolia
• Leo - Mesopotamia
• Virgo - Levant
• Libra - Egypt
• Scorpius - Cyrenaica, Libya
• Sagittarius - Tunisia
• Capricorn - Morocco
• Aquarius - Mauritania
• Pisces - Iberia
• Aries - South France
• Taurus - Italy and Greece
• Gemini - Balkans

So the night hour goddesses bookend each Zodiac sign in the linear Dendera Zodiac, giving us pretty precise dates for each. Why would each region have a date? This could be a key period in history associated with each region, like their golden age perhaps. We can plot these dates on a graph (it might have made things a bit confusing showing the time horizons for a first and second wave of stone lith technology on the same graph especially as the second wave didn't correlate with any key periods but oh well, the first wave is imporant for some alignments especially Plato's two stated time periods).

The pink dates are these dates from the Dendera night hour goddesses and for each I've noted a real historical event around that period for the region. These are pretty significant events supporting that this way of reading the Zodiac regions and their key periods might be correct, but of course this is merely a Reddit post where I'm putting this idea on the table and for a journal entry a full statistical model of all important historical events of each region would be needed.

Given that both halves of the Zodiac also contain a bunch of other gods in the timeline and there's a whole other parallel timeline below each half with boats and more figures we can only guess what else can be uncovered.

I've been reading Atlantis stuff on and off for about three years. Started with the normal historical arguments, wandered into past-life regressions, and somehow ended up in channeled books. Didn't plan it that way.

I don't treat any of it as proof. It's just weird how little they contradict each other once you strip the style.

I wrote down what I actually finished here, one line each: https://drumsofatlantis.com/books-about-atlantis

Curious what held up for other people and what was a waste of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTGFWd2WKdg

Super el nino.

book of enoch flood Signs 1:16:00 timestamp.

Things arriving late. The description is more like polar axial shift

https://sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe083.htm

UAP/crossing streams?

"6. And many chiefs of the stars shall transgress the order (prescribed).
And these shall alter their orbits and tasks,
And not appear at the seasons prescribed to them.

1. And the whole order of the stars shall be concealed from the sinners,
   And the thoughts of those on the earth shall err concerning them,
   [And they shall be altered from all their ways],
   Yea, they shall err and take them to be gods."

Fun session on Aeon Byte exploring the Atlantis mystery.

To correct myself, I don't think the water symbol between the Pisces fish is Aquarius anymore as the sign differs too much from the Babylonian symbol and the conventional reading of it representing a field does tie in with Iberia being the place of the Elysium Fields.

So far we've looked at the 12 signs and the 36 decans but there are also an additional 20 signs in the middle and 5 planets, whose positions near signs might also be significant. Certainly nothing was accidental or merely 'religious symbolism'.

Below is a useful diagram from the article "La date de conception du zodiaque du temple d’Hathor à Dendera" by Éric Aubourg, 1995.

Looking at Pisces, there are two nearby signs in circles, a figure holding the tail of a pig and also the right eye (the eye of Ra) also called the Utchat or Wadjet (same name as the cobra/dragon deity) and a representation of Venus as the figure with two heads.

Fortunately, there are additional representations of these symbols in greater detail in a linear Zodiac on the Dendera Temple's ceiling, someone made a really informative post on this here https://www.reddit.com/r/OutoftheTombs/s/3zgtJL3W7g the text coming from a Paul Smit.

The figure holding the leg of the pig is more clearly show here. The god is green and blue. I wonder whether this is a representation of the migration of people from Atlantis to Iberia, Sekhmet was shown as a green figure. Perhaps after Africa started to become desolate in 6200 BC people followed animals like pigs north to Iberia? I don't know, this isn't clear.

The Utchat, Eye of Ra, association to Pisces is also significant. We already know that Sekhmet, and corresponding westerly gods, are identified with the Eye of Ra. Iberia is in a similar westerly region and appears to have later had population crossover from Atlantis and even uses the same African Amazigh symbol, this might validate it's shared identity with the Eye of Ra.

Venus placed between Pisces and Aquarius is interesting. The Dagon tribe of West Africa report the Nommo as being associated with the planet Venus.

On the origin of the Pisces symbol again, one of the Amazigh flags has an extra line, likely linking the symbol to the 'squatter-man' symbol which shows up around the world from about 7000 BC. Either, it has been distributed around the world or there was an event visible gloablly and Perratt has famously made the claim that this may have emerged from a plasma discharge effect in the atmosphere caused by an especially large solar flare hitting earth.

Whether the symbol was distributed or emerged from this effect or is just a coincidence I don't know. It's an interesting question but also isn't that necessity for events in Europe.

This linear Zodiac is also additionally useful because it also includes the twelve goddesses of the Amduat, one for each hour, between Zodiac signs. I didn't know where were twelve goddesses of the Amduat and I don't know where they're shown but according to pages 173-174 of this article they're there. https://doczz.net/doc/561844/the-dendera-zodiacs-as-narratives-of-the-myth-of-osiris--...

This is a table of each goddess' name and their corresponding Amduat hour.

Apparently the exact positions of these goddesses between the Zodiac signs aren't available online so I asked ChatGPT to translate the hieroglyphs of the twelve goddesses of the Amduat and note their placements between signs, I've then added the year of the sign that would correspond to these goddess placements.

I'm not sure how much weight can be given can be given to these goddess placements but they don't simply count along with the order of the Zodiac, they're purposefully out of order, nonetheless it would be good it another Zodiac with them included is available to validate this ordering.

However, if we do take them to be significant it's reasonable to assume then these hours could perhaps be linking to the region or symbolism of each Zodiac to it's most significant period over the course of it's history.

Some line up with historical events, others might. We can go through them all here:

Most convincingly Pabilsag/Sagittarius + Aquarius (both North African regions) both correspond to 8,240 BC when the African Humid Period first allowed the region to become habitable.

Pisces as 7,520 BC does happen to align to exactly when a wave of geometric microliths suddenly spread through Iberia.

This wave of geometric microliths got to France slightly later, possibly justifying 6,080 BC for Aries.

Libra as 4,640 BC, this is around when the Liner industry kicks of whether that justifies the date I'm not sure.

Taurus is 3,920 BC and we do see a prominent solar bull exactly at this hour transition in the Amduat.

Virgo (I now consider this Levant rather than Eithiopia) as 3,200 BC. This is complete speculation but this could be around the time the events of the Ketos, Perseus and Andromeda where playing out with the people of Turkey demanding female captives from Jappa in the Levant. This certainly seems to be a much more recent myth than many considering the family trees of the characters so this could make sense.

Gemini as 2,480 BC. This one is a bit disappointing I thought they may have picked a much earlier date for the Dioscuri, nonetheless this is about the time the Steppe Herders reach this region of the Balkans, it could be this.

Leo is also given this period, possibly tending later towards hour 12. This corresponds well with the period of the rise of the Babylon.

Cancer, is shown as a crab sitting on the lags of Nut, so I'm not sure this really counts. ()although to be this looks like a scarab beetle). Anatolia around 1,760 BC did have the rise of the Hittites, whether this could justify this very final period I'm not sure. I was hoping Cancer would be right at the beginning, the legs of Nut could be like the sequence starting again? It's not clear.

Then there's Capricorn being 9,680 BC which is confusing. Perhaps there's something about this character that has deeper roots, just possibly this half fish figure links back to the mysterious Ophion god said to pre-date even the Titans, but I don't know.

Iberia was allocated the Zodiac sign of Pisces, the two fish. Here is Pisces on the Dendera Zodiac along with it's three decons on the side. The decons are:

1. Four ram heads on a rectangular base

2. The Souls

3. The Khent-Hery figure ("one who is above")

Between the two fish is a miniature sign of Aquarius.

The ancient civilisation of Iberia was called Tartessus, also called Turdatania. Stabo in his work, Geography, describes Turdetanians of southern Iberia as possessing:

“records of their ancient history, poems, and laws written in verse that are six thousand years old, as they assert.”

Strabo is writing in about 20 BC. Therefore, six thousand years before aligns closely with the 6200 BC 8.2ka Event which caused sudden storms through Europe and North Africa. This even could have caused the catastrophic collapse of the city of Atlantis and it would have afterwards led to the desertification as the humid period in Africa suddenly ended.

In Europe, this is also the moment we see farming people finally break through Greece. We could imagine early Greece exhumed with storms and flooding, as described by Plato and many of the Indo-European myths. The conquest of these farmers may be Marduk destroying Tiamat. After this empire is established, Marduk surveys the different lands and allocates the Zodiac.

Atlantis had been the home to hundreds of thousands of people by Plato's own account. Suddenly they are all living in a rapidly desolate land, those who can of course migrate away, but where?

Iberia would have been the closest truly fertile land, it's entirely plausible that many Atlanteans resettled here. Other's may have travelled further into Europe and perhaps some to Egypt but Iberia would require the easier journey to reach. Iberia had been the realm of Evaemon, which means Blessed, at least this is the term used by Plato. The fertile climate of the western side especially may be reason to assume Iberia was later known as Elysium, the place it was said fortunate souls would travel to after death.

The region which had been home to Atlantis is allocated the sign of Aquarius. Water vessels would have had privileged use to a sea faring people and the Bottle Gourds of Africa are still used as light weight water vessels to this day.

The region of Iberia is allocated the sign Pisces, which isn't especially interesting Iberia is still known as destination for good fish food today. However, the symbol for Pisces is interesting as it looks like this,♓. This happens to be exactly the same as the most important symbol to the Amazigh tribe of North Africa, which they call the Yaz, ⵣ. the chief symbol within their Tifinagh script.

We could presume that both the Amazighs and Tartessians continued to use this symbol as it may have previously been the chief symbol of Atlantis.

I haven't looked through all the relics and art from ancient Iberia but what I can see is that a number of stone reliefs depict an H symbol within a circles of what look like shield. An H could be a derivative of the Pisces symbol, just cleaned up.

This is definitely something to be explored.

The idea that Iberia became the subsequent home of the Atlanteans provides a reason for the sign of Aquarius to be shown within Pisces.

The question is still what the three decons mean. The 'souls' align well with the idea of Elysium. The rams could have been common to this region, althogh why four should be in a square is difficult to say and I don't know. The mysteries Khent-Hery figure ("one who is above") I also don't have ideas for but the notion of supremacy is in-keeping with the alternative term for Aquarius as The Great One.

"He [Marduk] constructed stations for the gods, Aligning their astral likenesses as constellations. He determined the year by assigning the zones: He set up three constellations for each of the twelve months. After defining the days of the years by means of astrological figures, He founded the station of Nebiru to determine their divine bands, That none might transgress or fall short."

This is a paragraph from the end of the Enuma Elish https://ia800806.us.archive.org/3/items/Holy-Books/EnumaElish.pdf. Marduk, having defeated Tiamat is dividing up his kingdom, for each region he allocates a constellation. Therefore, all groups could be represented together as the stars in the sky and as the months of the year. He even allocates a specific place, Nebiru, from where the movements on the constellations can be tracked and marked precisely.

"From the eyes of the defeated Tiamat ran the rivers Euphrates and Tigris". From this line we can see that Tiamat must have represented mountainous regions of Anatolia and the rest of her body must extend beyond this, or more correctly, she may have represented the people occupying this region who were in opposition to Enki and their warrior Marduk.

Anatolia was home to the Western Hunter Gathers and Mesopotamia home to the Early Farmers. Since 7500 BC these Early Farmers had established a foothold in Anatolia, Catalhoyuk, but it is only by about 6600 BC that they start claiming North Anatolia and Greece.

400 years later in 6200 BC there is a slew of farming expansion. This period also correlates with the 8.2 ka Event that caused sudden major storms followed by 300 years of cool dry weather. Fierce rain storms are described in both the Enuma Elish and Plato's Timaeus and Critias, as well as the other Indo-European versions of this story.

This course of events is also relayed by Sanchuniathon, he writes:

"Elus, that is Kronos, having waylaid his father Uranus in an inland spot, and got him into his hands, emasculates him near some fountains and rivers. There Uranus was deified: and as he breathed his last, the blood from his wounds dropped into the fountains and into the waters of the rivers”

Crucially this came after a very revealing previous statement earlier in his dialog:

“[Kronos] became suspicious of his own brother Atlas, and, with the advice of Hermes, threw him into a deep pit and buried him”

Therefore Atlantis had already ready split off from Kronos/Enki before the people secured this supreme reining position of dominance.

This is the same 'avenging son dethroning their father' story with blood and storm imagery recounted by many Indo-European traditions, collectively termed by historians 'the slaying of Yemo'.

Who is Enki? (Also called EA or Nudimmud.) Earlier in the story we're told Enki conquers the land of Apsu, and in a separate account we're very explicitly told that Apsu is the marshland by the city of Eridu, which we known to have been located in the south end of Mesopotamia. In the above map we can see that a farming expansion to this area happened around 8300 BC. This location is also the area that we know as Eden, with the Euphrates and Tigris explicitly described diverging into four rivers. Therefore this arrival by Enki causes of the expulsion of Eden.

Shortly after, in 8600 BC a new group arrives into Egypt bringing with them new stone liths. This could be the 'Enki people' continuing to expand. Indeed, it's hard to know where the bounds of this new group ended. As of 2025, an individual tested in Takarkori, South West Libya in 5000 BC had some Levantine ancestry, therefore some Levantine people must have been migrating into humid West Africa. The question is whether this Levantine group stretching from Mesopotamia to West Africa could have been the 'people of Enki' and whether they could retained a group identity over such a vast distance via a connecting coastal and river corridor between them.

This individual in Takarkori also reveals that there was another, currently unnamed, distinct ethnic group in North Africa, perhaps it was these people who came to represent the dangerous Egyptian god Seth. The Book of Two Ways records the routes from the marshes of north Tunisia into humid Africa which it called the "paths of Rosteau" eventually leading to a fertile 'Field of Offerings', "Sekhet Hetepet ". From this book, Spell 1079 states 'Geb placed the guardian beings in Rosetau to guard Osiris, his son, from Seth; the speaker knows these beings and the protected place' There's a lot more that we can glean from this, if Geb is intending to defend people from this Seth group, then perhaps Geb could a representation of the Levantine groups migrating through this route? In other words, could Geb be the Sumerian Enki? If we accept this reasoning it would suport Enki representing a connected corridor of Levantine groups across all of North African up to the Levant. In Greek terms these were the first Titans.

Geb's spouse in Nut. Nut is a representation of the Milky Way but she also has another signature pose and that is as a water bearer, often connecting out of the Tree of Life. The Tree of Life is not only a Hebrew concept but an Egyptian one. Nut holds two vessels of water from which streams pour out. In Sumerian depictions Enki is also portrayed with two streams of water coming out of his body. These are both reminiscent of the first astrological sign we're going to observe, which is Aquarius. Aquarius is the water bearer but it's other name was "The Great One". If any people group were to be named "The Great One" is seems that Enki is a good match. The iconography is also a match; Enki, Nut and Aquarius are all shown pouring two streams of water or pouring two water vessels. But why? We need to return to Atlantis. The destination of The Book of Two Ways, Sekhet Hetepet "The Field of Offerings", is a large island oasis separated from North and East Africa by arid, almost impassable land. The climate, geography and topography of a salt lake in this Mauratania has rings of seven-thousand springs, and natural circular walls of differently coloured stone; all aspects align precisely to the account of Atlantis we receive from Plato. The country of Atlantis is described as growing 'fruits that can be used for drinks'. Bottle Gourds, Native to tropical Africa, are on of the few fruits that fulfil this criteria, containing a sweet watery juice when young. Bottle Gourds also have a second function, they make ideal water vessels, perfect for any form of voyage. Once found these would have been an inexpendable accessory when people trailing through hot Africa.

We can observe more associations to this western by observing more from Egypt. Sekhet Hetepet "The Field of Offerings" is closely linked to the Eye-of-Ra and lion goddess, Sekhmet. This can be further confirmed by observing that Sekhmet is shown on the right of the Tree of Life and Thoth on the left. Their positioning like this around the Tree of Life is consistent across other Egyptian depictions.

South was commonly perceived as up in ancient times, if we assume this to also be the case here, then Sekhmet is to the west and Thoth is to the east of the Tree of Life. This then again places Sekhmet's in the direction of the west and of Sekhet Hetepet. In separate accounts on the Temple of Edfu, Thoth is recorded as recounting origin stories of the first land. He says that the 'first land emerged from receding waters', an account very akin to the seperate orgin accounts from Egypt that speak on the 'Benben mound emergig from the freshwaters of Nun', if these are memories of the same story they must be pointing back to the region of Absu Southern Mesopotamia, it is here where land in the middle of a network of freshwater marshland dried out at the start of the Younger Dryas in 10,600 BC, due to the decreased rain lessening the marsh. It is only in this region that we can find receeding fresh water creating habitable land. Therefore, returning to Thoth, he must be from the east as he relays this same story. Therefore, his placement on this side of the Tree of Life in consistent. His hooked nose and wisdom associations likely represent a proto-Jewish people who came from this region. The Tree of Life must be a metaphor for emerging agriculture spreading out from the Levant. Sekhmet (and her son Lion son Maahs) must therefore be representations of the Atlantean people. Routes into humid Africa became viable around 8500 BC and this is when we see the expansion of geometric stone liths out from the Levant all across North Africa and up through Europe. We then find geometric stone liths in humid Africa by 7500 BC, therefore this region of Atlantis must have been occupied by this period. We're told by Plato they rose to become a dominant power across much of the Mediterranean but, unlike the later Marduk, were not able to secure domination over the entire Mediterranean, we're told they were unable to claim the territory of the proto-Greeks, the Western Hunter Gatherers, Tiamat of Southern Europe.

Later, when Marduk takes up the challenge to fight Tiamat, Tiamat produces is a lion figure called Ugallu, one of her may demons. I mention this because Ugallu is depicted very similarly to Maahs, son of Sekhmet (Representation of Sekhet Hetepet/Atlantis), both lions have similar attire similar double knifes. If these are representions of the same figure, the same warrior from Atlantis, then why would Marduk, the warrior of Enki, be fighting Atlantis? We previously discussed Atlantis as being a westerly extension of the realm of Enki, one shared group bound by a long connecting corridor. So how can Enki be fighting this branch of himself portrayed now as a demon of Tiamat? As referenced earlier Sanchuniathon tells us that Kronos (Marduk), following the advice of Hermes (Thoth), fell out with his brother Atlas. This would explain why they are now at war. Perhaps, the proto-Greeks, Tiamat, mother of all, may have re-allied with this Atlantean branch of Enki represented by the lion, against a new common enemy, the eastern branch of Enki, Atlantis. It's difficult to fully determine these events that are occurring over a millennia, however, in favour of this Atlantean-Tiamat alliance we see depictions of the Sumerian 'Slaying of Yemo' story as a figure fighting, Ninurta, fighting a hybrid, multi-headed, lion-snake creature, the Musmahhu. The lion perhaps represented Atlantis and the snake Tiamat, the Anatolian region has a deep association with snakes such as in the form of the figure Zeus Meilichios (different to the later Zeus).

This snake-lion hybrid is further shown to occur in the Gnostic Demiurge, Yaldabaoth, again associated with this region. In many traditions the Tiamat, 'Yemo', figure is more presented as simply a snake. In Greek this battle is remembered as Hercules vs the Hydra, anther variant on the Slaying of Yemo along their broader version of Kronos slaying Uranus.

But it gets more complex again, in the Amaduat, the Egyptian record of the Holocene, we're shown the formation of Horus occurring at the time Tiamat is shown as slain in Hour Six, around this 6200 BC time. Here Horus is shown as forming from a combination of a lion's body and falcon's wing, essentially a griffin, with it's lion element described as coming from Seth. By this 6200 BC time the African Levantine and African indigenous (Seth) populations may have become indistinguishable. In essence, some Atlanteans may have migrated to Egypt and formed the new Horus group and others may have migrated north to mix into Southern European populations, some perhaps siding with the Western Hunter Gatherers, Tiamat. We also see the sphinx as a lion also in this Hour Six of the Amduat, perhaps built by the arriving Sekhmet/Atlantean group. Horus battles Apep, this is the Egyptian version of the battle against Tiamat.

Unfortunately there is still an open end to these hybrid animals and there significance. in both Egypt and in Sumer there are depictions of snake-lion Seropoard creatures, but often two with necks interlaced and held back from each other. Is this the same creature that Ninurta fights? Why is one being held back from another? I don't know.

On the Tree of Life again, this a great clip from an interview with Lance Weaver on the similarities of this tree's representation with similar depictions in America, it's worth a watch https://youtu.be/tCdi1mdYtxM?si=u_RkRj2e39bHcNwo&t=2950 unfortunately some his thoughts on other topics in the video such as his endorsing of the Kolbirn Bible as a real document are certainly wrong.

On the full Zodiac, some depictions of the full Zodiac have been preserved most helpfully the Dendera Zodiac from Dendera Temple, Egypt. There are also separate linear versions at the temple of Kom ed-Deir and to some degree on the ceiling of the Ramesseum in Egypt.

The Dendera Zodiac consists of a centre zone with the twelve Zodiac constellations plus another twenty constellations, five planets (apparently) and then 36 decons/asterisms around the rim which split into groups of three for each Zodiac sign, as shown above.

Supporting the whole arrangement are four women who are in line with the cardinal directions. The north and south directions are described (they're labelled Summer Solstice and Winter Solstice in the above diagram). However, the east and west direction aren't described.

Very interestingly, even though you look up to this relief like looking up to the sky the Zodiac is flipped from the true arrangement of the constellations you would see in the sky. This is rationalised as being a god's eye, top down view of the heavens.

In the 50s and 60s a couple of people decided that the Zodiac was invented by the Babylonians, and decided based on 'reconstructions' that these Babylonian started with a zodiac of fifteen signs which later became twelve. These assumptions aren't based on anything, all we know is that we don't have artefacts before this point but this may be due to the fact that the further back in time you go the fewer artefacts survive.

To labour this point, ChatGPT assumes 1.7% of Babylonia astronomical artefacts reference a Zodiac, and the decay rate on artefacts in general is incredible, there are about 1800 astronomical artefacts between 1000-0 BC to just 30 between 2000-1000 BC to just 3 between 3000-2000 BC. The 1.7% rate could double and it would still be unlikely that we should find an astronomical document that happens to describe the Zodiac. This doesn't mean that less and less stuff happened and that everything was invented from the time we first find it, it simply means that it is most likely artefacts haven't survived and can't known what they were without other evidence.

Returning to Marduk, Marduk 'constructed stations for the gods' and 'set up three constellations for each of the twelve months'. This matches what we see in the in the Dendera Zodiac. As it happens the inversion of the Dendera Zodiac also matches the arrangement of twelve match regions in a circle of the Mediterranean, the constellation and three decons matching the associations of each region.

We've discussed the pouring of water vessels by Enki and Nut who are associated with North Africa, the use of Bottle Gourds as water vessel and the association of 'The Great One' to Atlantis.

Let's now look at the rest of the data:

Continuing with Aquarius looking at the decons, First, the Solar Ram is consistent with the 'Eye of Ra' goddess of Sekhmet. Then we get two references to Shining Spirits. The Dagon tribe of West Africa describe the arriving Nommo as "shining", showing a consistency to this region.

Next Capricorn, if we move anticlockwise along the coast we get to the region of Morocco. In Sumer it is Enki who is associated with Capricorn therefore this North Africa association is consistent. There are also tales of Atlanteans and the Ramfish by Claudius Aelianus who recounts stories of Ramfish from people of the "Okeanos" coast, this being the coast of Morocco again consistent to this region. Moving onto the first decon, an ibis-man is linked to another man restraining an antelope, Sumerian Amurru is associated with a goat or sometimes an antelope, he's also associated with remote mountains this is a good fit, we then get a grey goose and eight bound prisoners within a disc for which there is no explanation.

Sagittarius is also called Pabilsag, a mysterius figure. This alternative makes sense as there wasn't horses in Europe until 2000 BC. However, once horses arrived Algeria and Libya established a strong horse riding association, therefore this area fits well. The wrapped figure and single star decons are limited in their information here.

Scorpio. Cyrene in northern Libya is second only to part of Morocco for having the densest population of scorpions in Europe. If Spet means Sopdet then this goddess is connected to the when Sirius rises and the Nile floods, we are near Egypt here. "The leader" decon is very vague, my hunch is that this is related to Iapetus but we can't know.

Libra. Balance and the Egyptian Duat are linked. Crocodiles and baboons are also present on the Nile river.

Virgo, is also known as the Wheat Sheaf. Interestingly the sea monster Ketos from the story of Perseus and Princess Andromeda features in other Zodiacs, and Conon claims Ketos to have been a boat from Anatolia. Ketos is not in this Zodiac, it would have been in the wrong place spatially but nonetheless this suggests the story of Perseus and Princess Andromeda may have zodiac significance and in this story Andromeda is said to have come from Aethiopia, this could explain the virgin connection to this region. Wheat, was later grown there, as most places so this link doesn't tell us anything. Darkness, servant and assessor again aren't instructive.

Leo. Of all the locations lions were most prominent in Mesopotamia and North West Africa. Babylon also saw the Lion as one of their core symbols with it featuring on the Ishtar Gate. The Djat is a boat and boat use began very early in this region with people getting to Cyprus in 11,000 BC. Atum, the first man, is said to have arisen from the Benben mound in Southern Mesopotamia.

Cancer. Hercules fights Cancer at the same time as Hydra. The Hydra was either people in the Peloponese or Anatolia. Kenmet is very interesting because it meant "first among the stars", Tiamat was the mother of all. Kenmet is also a symbol of three snakes horizontal with one upright with is very similar to a symbol connected to the Gnostic Yaldabaoth, see below. Therefore, Gnosticism may have been associated with this region, perhaps a remnant of the WHG culture. Again we have a boat, the earliest sea travel started here in Anaolia/Greece.

Gemini. Of course the twin sculptures of the Vinca Culture in the Balkans but even more interestingly Sanchuniathon describes the Dioscuri (Children of God) as coming from Samos, Thrace. They are said to have invented the first ships and to have had crests on their heads, he says. The Dioscuri are famously twins. We get a word for blinding of something which is unclear and a lower shoulder figure both of these are unclear in meaning and then "Waer", which means flight or departure. The Dioscuri were said to have travelled, or departed, on boats, they are also the best contender for the Apkallu given their crested heads who departed t different places. I haven't focused on the placements of additional constellations in the centre but here we prominently have Sar, a manifestation of Osiris, perhaps suggesting his origin being here.

Taurus. The bull is a central icon of Zeus of the Italy and Greece region but as a more subtle observation, Homer's Thrinacia island was Sicily, because we know the Strait of Messina was the location of Scylla and Charybdis, Thrinacia was the land of the sacred cattle of Helios, another bull reference to this area. The decons of a woman giving birth and a pig aren't instructive.

Aries. The cooler land of West Europe would have been well suited as sheep country. The decons aren't clear here; a child emerging from a lotus, four human-headed cobras and a ram-headed solar symbol.

Lastly, Pisces. The first decon is rams again. Iberia a perfect place for sheep farming and fishing. The "souls" decon could be a nod to the destination of the Elysian Fields and Khent-Hery "the one who is above" is unknown.

The correlations to this arrangement are very strong, no other arrangement comes close. Its interesting to think how these geographically meaningful symbols were mapped to these particular stars. Taurus is the one constellation that we know dates back deep into the stone age, this had to be kept as Taurus. The only really clear other shape is that of the sitting lion Leo, but they must have realised that they needed to flip the sky to align this to Mesopotamia. The rest of the constellations are truly abstract shapes many using very few stars. It's clear the that symbology didn't emerge from people looking into the shapes by were attached to shapes as a means ensure the symbology will be remembered.

The other Mediterranean wide comparison we can make is to Hour 8 of the Amduat. This is depicting a slightly later time but it again shows the Mediterranean broken into groups with attributes and clues in the character names, the names of the chambers and the way each chamber is described.

Last relevant point on this is that Ptolemy and Manilius, Astronomica wrote about potential regional placements of the different signs. We don't know what information they were using to draw these conclusions. Some align with the above, many are off, it isn't unexpected that knowledge of the arrangement would have been lost over the millennia though, it's incredible that any awareness of their prior geographic placements survived at all.

Since my article "Atlantis located?" has attracted very much attention, I would like to clear some mistakes.

1. 50% can't read properly:

At the time most comments were posted, about half of those commenting on Part 3 hadn't even read Part 2. But these two can only be understood in conjunction.

2. Critic: “highly confident presentation”:

Many of you criticize me, because of my "this is how it was" tone. I stand by that approach and would point out that this specific style makes it possible to anchor complete new images to the general public. A cautious presentation, by contrast, simply gets lost in the mass of daily Information.

For everyone else: There are well-hidden hints that point out the speculative nature of all our claims.

Forum name: r/atlantis

My Article: Atlantis located ?

3. My point is this:

* The stubborn misconception persists that an entire continent sank back then (Azores Theory..., etc.). How could that be possible? Plato contradicts this claim on multiple occasions.

Timaeus (24e, 25d) Critias (108e–109a)
“For this reason, the sea there is now impassable and unnavigable, as the vast accumulation of mud obstructs the way…”

If the route to the former city is impassable, the city itself lies not beneath the sea, but above it. Neither a continent nor a plain has sunk. In my view, only the central island—with its concentric rings—was inundated by an enormous wave and buried under masses of mud.

* I believe it is less presumptuous to assume that Greek myths contain a core of truth-with enemies transformed into monsters and glorious kings into gods—than to claim that a colossal city surrounded by two concentric rings, many walls with tin, etc..., as described by Plato, sank overnight, 11,700 years ago in a massive tidal wave by night! Remarkable that only the second assumption get so much attention!
* It is important to me that we look beyond just the *Timaeus* or *Critias* and consider the broader context of antiquity and mythology. I have managed to link different texts to one single story, a step that surprises even me!

1. I am aware:
   * That we must anticipate numerous distortions in historical books.
   * That the number of rings and the dimensions probably have been exaggerated.
   * That the timeline could be false and exaggerated!
   * That some descriptions may even be fabrications!
   * That the walls were likely angular rather than round.

* It’s even possible that Athens and its allies led the attack against Atlantis themselves, rather than the other way around. And so much more.

But I am convinced that the story of Atlantis, just like the description of Troy, contains a true core, and we will find it one day!

In this regard, I am also following the work of Michael Donnellan regarding Cadic. In my view, an extremely promising candidate!

5. Conclusion:

Criticism is necessary, but yours was pathetic!

I have approved all three articles; should Reddit change this again, please let me know.

Arabia is the Eastern Sahara/Horn of Africa slightly broken off

This is a more detailed comparison between the Book of Two Ways and plausible routes into Africa during the African Humid Period (12,800 BC - 3500 BC, peak period ~7500 BC).

If it can be shown, that it is more likely than not that the Book of Two Ways is a map of two potential optimal routes from the Chotts, through desert into humid Africa it would imply Rosetau (mouth to passages/passages), Aaru (the field of reeds) and Sekhet Hetepet (the field of offerings) are descriptions of real destinations along this plausible route. This would imply Egypt was preserving this geographical information across millennia. This would imply Egypt was preserving information across millennia and would have serious implications for our understanding of Egypt. This is relevant to Atlantis because it would in-turn have implications for the plausibility of Atlantis as a Egyptian memory of Sekhet Hetepet in the green Sahara.

It is entirely conceivable that early people once took this route, there is cave art of this period in the hills at the bottom of the image, this in itself wouldn't be contentious.

My verdict on this is that its difficult to believe that Egyptians through coincidence alone drew up an elaborate route map to fertile regions which happens to align very closely to nearby real routes people may have once taken.

The precipitation data is from the most accurate available study which models precipitation for 4000 BC, ‘Wetlands of North Africa During the Mid-Holocene were At Least Five Times the Area Today 2021’. Using their recommended MH3 model. 4000 BC is past the peak period of humidity but it is also closer to the last period these routes may have been viable.

The rivers and streams come from river maps in ‘Ancient watercourses and biogeography of the Sahara explain the peopling of the desert 2010’ modelling streams and rivers in 9000 - 6000 BC.