r/WeirdWings • • Nov 26 '21

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING! Frequent reposts and what to avoid.

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Since this subreddit was made a few years ago, there's, naturally, been an extremely large increase in userbase, which continues to grow. This means, in turn, many people are new to the subreddit, and often do not see some of the most frequent posts we have here, and as such go to post them. Some users simply wish to repost some more successful entries in hopes of gaining karma.

While this was fine in a limited amount, it is now becoming more and more disruptive to the quality of posts on this subreddit, and they need to be controlled. A frequent posts to avoid list is the best option, in my opinion, as it allows new users not only a clear idea of what has been here before, without having to scroll through the hundreds of posts a month (or, heaven forbid, be forced to use the reddit search function... I hate even thinking about using that godawful thing.), but also an opportunity to see these aircraft, which often truly do, very much, belong here.

This list will likely stay fairly small, but I will keep it constantly updated, and any suggestions for it should go in the comments. If you're seeing far too much of something on the sub, link it and an information page (wikipedia, etc), and I will likely add it to the list.

Along with this list is a set of guidelines for our (admittedly nebulous) rules against "paper planes"/concept aircraft, which will likely be updated as time goes on, like the rest of this list.

WHAT TO AVOID:

AKA: RULE 2 EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT

Planes go through a lot of design stages. From the drawing board to real life, it's not an easy task to design an aircraft. This means that, for every aircraft, there will be a huge amount of planning documents, feasibility studies, and concept drawings. Some planes never get past this stage, however, and hardly become anything more than a written-down spark from the Good-Idea Fairy.

Those planes, frequently known as "paper planes," never leave the drawing board, and often are never considered much other than an idea. Almost never considered for production, or even funding, they are often radical to the point of nonsensical, leading to very interesting speculation as to how they may have performed in the real world. Sometimes documents for these idea studies are found and distributed, leading to inquisitive history nerds drawing up schematics or artist interpretations.

These planes, however, are often barely even real. The lack of information on them, often combined with an internet game of Telephone as information is spread from unreliable forum to unreliable forum, means that true intents, purposes, and goals are hardly known. Whether these aircraft were more than a drunk designer's napkin project is hardly knowable, even if documents can be traced back to original, period sources. Often, no real consideration was given to them, and they were immediately discarded as useless.

This is why, here, these types of planes are banned. They hardly represent reality, and while they certainly can be interesting, the realism of these designs actually going anywhere is questionable at best, and dubious at worst.

Here, we want to see planes that actually flew, or at least had a chance and intent to do so. Real life, physical materials that one could touch. Photographs, videos. Things we as humans can actually visualize as real objects that once existed in our world, or were intended to do so, not as abstract art pieces.

Our usual defining limit is if a mockup was built, it is okay to post. Mockups typically show that a plane had enough promise to go forward with research and development into a proper machine, rather than simply as a design study.

However, if proof can be shown that a plane was actually considered to be built, funded, or developed, then it can still be a good post. Many concept drawings for radical designs never got past the concept stage, but the many documents, design studies, feasibility inquiries, funding reports, and government information can prove that the designers were serious about what they were doing.

So, what should I generally try to avoid?

  • Planes that never made it beyond an early design stage.

    • The whole idea of Rule 2 as it exists now. While this is hard to define, usually anything before a physical mockup (aerodynamic testing, design study, etc) is going to push the rules and become harder to defend as an actual consideration.
  • Planes that only exist as schematics and/or art.

    • While some real prototypes and weird designs never got photographs or videos, the grand majority do. If the only visual representation of something is a 2D drawing, then, typically, alarm bells should go off. On our subreddit, pictures and videos of physical objects are the most valued, and it shows that something was truly good enough of an idea to be presented to the rigors of reality. Without that, though, proving that something was actually feasible and considered becomes exponentially harder.
  • Planes that do not have verifiable sources outside of niche websites. (luft46, secretprojects.net, and others).

    • These places, while info may be correct, are more speculative than informative, and often embellish the truth in favor of a good story.
  • Renders and art that have designs "too ridiculous to be true."

    • Asymmetry, bizarre wing and engine placement, insane ideas. These are all things that can work in a plane, and have before. However, if something looks like it was truly too insane to have ever existed... it often is.

None of these are hard and fast rules, though, and things can be bent where needed. If you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that something was, in fact, a real design considered for production, pretty much everything above can be broken. Expect to go down a deep rabbit hole of academic sources, though. However, this is not the kind of post we generally want to have here. While they're allowed, they are not preferred. Photos and videos are always a better option.

If you have any questions about something you want to post, never refrain from messaging the moderators to ask! We're always happy to help and guide if you're unsure about something.


FREQUENTLY REPOSTED PLANES TO AVOID:

"The PZL M-15 was a jet-powered biplane designed and manufactured by the Polish aircraft company WSK PZL-Mielec for agricultural aviation. In reference to both its strange looks and relatively loud jet engine, the aircraft was nicknamed Belphegor, after the noisy demon."

It was not a success, with only a few built out of thousands planned, due to the fact that a jet engine is essentially the worst choice possible for a low-speed biplane.

Designed to test the limits of propeller-driven aircraft, the Thunderscreech had the possibility of breaking records for the world's fastest prop aircraft. Instead, however, it almost certainly broke records for the loudest aircraft ever made:

"On the ground "run ups", the prototypes could reportedly be heard 25 miles (40 km) away.[17] Unlike standard propellers that turn at subsonic speeds, the outer 24–30 inches (61–76 cm) of the blades on the XF-84H's propeller traveled faster than the speed of sound even at idle thrust, producing a continuous visible sonic boom that radiated laterally from the propellers for hundreds of yards. The shock wave was actually powerful enough to knock a man down; an unfortunate crew chief who was inside a nearby C-47 was severely incapacitated during a 30-minute ground run.[17] Coupled with the already considerable noise from the subsonic aspect of the propeller and the T40's dual turbine sections, the aircraft was notorious for inducing severe nausea and headaches among ground crews.[11] In one report, a Republic engineer suffered a seizure after close range exposure to the shock waves emanating from a powered-up XF-84H.[18]"

The Blohm & Voss BV 141 was a World War II German tactical reconnaissance aircraft, notable for its uncommon structural asymmetry. Although the Blohm & Voss BV 141 performed well, it was never ordered into full-scale production, for reasons that included the unavailability of the preferred engine and competition from another tactical reconnaissance aircraft, the Focke-Wulf Fw 189.

The Edgley EA-7 Optica is a British light aircraft designed for low-speed observation work, and intended as a low-cost alternative to helicopters.

Notable for its ducted fan located behind the oddly egg-shaped cockpit, reminiscent of a dismembered helicopter. Despite its niche use case, it saw a decent amount of orders.


If you have any questions, concerns, comments, or any other related thoughts, either about this post or the subreddit as a whole, do feel free to comment them below. I'm all ears for what the community says, and, while I might not act on every suggestion (because that is just impossible), I do read and consider everything that comes my way.

(Also, if you have any suggestions for the formatting and wording of this post, please give them to me, because I am bad at formatting and wording. I'm an engineer, not an english major or journalist.)

Edit: formatting and grammar


r/WeirdWings • • Jun 27 '25

Rules Update: No AI-generated content

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Exactly what the title says. I'd have thought this was common sense, but AI-generated or "enhanced" photos and videos are not something we need around here.


r/WeirdWings • • 6h ago

Lenticular and lenticular-winged supersonic bomber concepts - Glenn L. Martin Company, 1950s

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r/WeirdWings • • 6h ago

Rare photos of Honda's 1988 B2 mockup at the Everglades Jetport

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Stumbled upon these obscure photos of a flying wing while digging into some Florida Everglades history.  I found them on the Facebook profile of Carol Lord, whose family operated Monroe Station nearby and who later worked as a security guard at the Dade-Collier Training and Transition Airport - aka, the Everglades Jetport!

Anyways, this isn't a new discovery; it is known that a B2 mockup was built for Honda in 1988 for use in a CRX commercial.  Jalopnik wrote an article about it in 2013 and there's been a few posts about it on Reddit throughout the years.  Sadly it appears the museum that eventually owned it scrapped it some 20+ years ago.  Here's another link with a bit more about it from someone who was involved with the commercial: https://aviationmuseum.eu/Blogvorm/south-dakota-air-space-museum/

I hadn't seen these pictures posted anywhere before so I figured they were worth sharing!


r/WeirdWings • • 2h ago

World Record The flight engineer station of the B-36 Peacemaker - the plane with likely the longest pre-flight checklist

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r/WeirdWings • • 10h ago

Propulsion Was this flying wing that was spotted over Texas and Kansas in 2014 the RQ-180

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r/WeirdWings • • 1d ago

HESA Kowsar Spotted over Tabriz

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r/WeirdWings • • 1d ago

Obscure 601 J-XX proposal

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The "Snowy Owl" or 雪鸮 is the final proposal from 601st institute for the "J-XX" competitor for PLAAF's 5th generation fighter programme. Very little is known about this proposal, work on the project was started sometime in the early 90s and continued till ~2007 when the official winner was chosen.

The project initially started as a study for a new generation medium weight fighter capable of achieving the technological sophistication of 90s era European fighters as a baseline and targeting for similar standards as the American ATF program with the preliminary designation of J-14. The original proposal (601 "93" proposal from image 4) took inspiration from aerodynamic experience gained from the old J-13-II project and used conventional clipped delta wing with a large LERX with minor consideration for LO. This was ultimately rejected due to the then recent reveal of YF-22 and YF-23 showing considerable LO features which lead to further work on the original proposal to produce the "New 93 proposal" (Image 7).

The updated proposal looks more or less like a stealthy elongated and squashed F-18 with significant optimisation for supersonic performance, though this proposal apparently did not come with a IWB and hence relied on conformal external carriage of weapons not unlike the KF-21 design today. Allegedly target performance for this proposal was frontal RCS no larger than 0.4m^2 with 4 conformal BVRAAM and no larger than 0.05m^2 clean. The design planned to use 2 WS-12 turbofans (>80kN and TWR larger > 8) from Shenyang Liming Aeroengine Co, this gave the aircraft a preliminary specification of M2.0 top speed, max combat TWR > 1.3 and >300m/s climb rate. Unfortunately due to politics and priorities at the time, with the import of Su-27 from Russia in 1992 and the subsequent domestication removed the much needed personnel and funding from this project which effectively cancelled it in its original form and it unfortunately took the WS-12 project (One of the most promising domestic programs at the time for producing a globally competitive medium thrust turbofan, not to mention unlike the later WS-10, WS-12 was a fully domestic design) along with it.

What happens next is a lot harder to tell given it now directly relates to the still heavily classified "J-XX" programme which eventually produced China's first 5th generation fighter, the Chengdu J-20. Apparently from the looks, the 93 proposal and the eventual direct successors was repurposed and heavily modified for the new "J-XX" competition for a heavy 5th generation fighter. From what is available, the Shenyang proposal was likely longer in both length and wingspan compared to Chengdu's proposal and had an ambitious triplane layout for extreme maneuverability and controllability up to 65 degree AoA without TVC. Though this came with drawbacks such as more limited LO features compared to the Chengdu proposal, heavier empty and takeoff weight due to extra control surfaces and extreme complexity of the flight control system. One of the likely reasons it was not selected was likely due to additional weight required a very high thrust engine which was unavailable at the time given the only option being AL-31F and WS-10 while WS-15 was only in the early concept and design phase at the time along with the fact that PLAAF probably valued proper LO over maneuverability given advancement of BVR combat and avionics in the digital age.


r/WeirdWings • • 1d ago

Asymmetrical The SPAS-70. A spherical airship with an internal cockpit. (Ca. 2002)

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r/WeirdWings • • 2d ago

Special Use Heinkel He-111 H-8 with a balloon cable deflecting device, around 1940-1941.

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r/WeirdWings • • 2d ago

The Douglas XB-42A Mixmaster

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Someone suggested I post here, so here you go. The XB-42 was designed as a fast tactical bomber.
On temporary display at the NMUSAF in Dayton Ohio.


r/WeirdWings • • 3d ago

Martin/General Dynamics WB-57F Canberra operated by NASA

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r/WeirdWings • • 5d ago

Special Use A-10 "Firehog"

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r/WeirdWings • • 5d ago

Prototype The Airbus Vahana, a VTOL, tiliting wing prototype, designed as a research platform for daily, short range commutes. Equipped with eight electrical motors, it was planned to carry one person at a cruising speed of 200 km/h. After 138 test flights, it was retired in 2019.

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r/WeirdWings • • 5d ago

Spaceplane XB-1 experimental jet achieves supersonic flight, minus the boom

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r/WeirdWings • • 6d ago

VTOL McDonnell XHJH "Whirlaway" transverse-rotor helicopter prototype demonstrated in 1946

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r/WeirdWings • • 6d ago

Obscure Gyroflug SC01 Speed Canard

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Strange looking plane, the engine sounded oddly quiet. Took the photo Monday in Central California.


r/WeirdWings • • 7d ago

Obscure Only 10 Were Built: The British Cold War Heavy-Lifter Twice The Size Of A C-130 Is Waking Up In Queensland

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r/WeirdWings • • 7d ago

Propulsion Behold the Fairey Gannet. How much weird can you put in one operational plane?

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r/WeirdWings • • 8d ago

Yakovlev Yak-28P interceptor

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r/WeirdWings • • 8d ago

Prototype Northrop Stealth Tacit Blue

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r/WeirdWings • • 9d ago

Hiller 1031-A-1 Flying Platform. Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center, Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. Chantilly, Virginia. [Album]

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An Army-Navy program in the mid-1950s, Hiller constructed a series of innovative Flying Platforms, one-man vehicles that a pilot could control with minimal training. The pilot simply leaned in a desired direction and the craft moved that way. The platforms utilized the aerodynamic efficiency of the ducted fan.
The duct also had a natural self-correcting tendency in forward flight that prevented tumbling. The platform was still a challenge for its test pilot, despite publicity films that seemed to depict a true "flying carpet."

The 1031-A-1 is the second Flying Platform prototype and the first to operate out of ground effect (aerodynamic cushion caused by thrust interacting with the ground). The Army contracted for a larger, improved model, the VZ-1, but the extra engines required for safety made the platform too heavy.


r/WeirdWings • • 9d ago

Grumman XTB3F-1 Guardian at NAS Patuxent River, December 1949

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r/WeirdWings • • 11d ago

Prototype Douglas A2D Skyshark

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The Douglas A2D Skyshark is an American turboprop-powered attack aircraft built by the Douglas Aircraft Company for the United States Navy. The program was substantially delayed by engine reliability problems, and was canceled because more promising jet attack aircraft had entered development and the smaller escort carriers the A2D was intended to utilize were being phased out.


r/WeirdWings • • 11d ago

Handley Page Victor XA930 taking off from the de Havilland Aircraft Company aerodrome at Hatfield, UK, on July 14 1960 assisted in a trial take-off by de Havilland Spectre rockets

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