r/UkrainianConflict • u/financialtimes • 3h ago
US floats unfreezing some Russian assets to restart Ukraine peace talks
https://www.ft.com/content/54353d3a-afed-4fec-985a-50f3dfb9be8e?segmentid=c50c86e4-586b-23ea-1ac1-7601c9c2476f163
u/big-papito 3h ago
Really pushing full speed before the midterms, eh?
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u/konegsberg 3h ago edited 2h ago
I think Putin is believing he is going to loose his assets ability to do things due to election so they went ahead with their plan or Vivaldi offensive from Ukraine really got them Scared
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u/TheLurkerSpeaks 2h ago
It's all these things. If Ukraine kills the bot farms, their ability to sway public opinion in the West is greatly diminished. If Democrats take back Congress, Trump loses considerable ability to do Putin's bidding. So they are moving everything they can now to help Russia and Trump stay relevant.
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u/Skolloc753 3h ago
How about the other way around (instead of giving Putin billions of EUR first and then hoping for nothing):
- First the war ends and the peace talks are held.
- Then the Russians retreat back to the 2012 territory.
- Then the EU frozen money is used fo rebuild Ukraine.
- And then, and only then, what remains of Russias money, is unlocked for Russia.
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u/nithrean 3h ago
that sounds like a good plan. Or just start by giving all of the Russian money to the Ukranians.
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u/Gnaeus-Naevius 1h ago
Definitely backwards. Carrot dangled in front of the aggressor state ... and the victim gets the stick? A brutal precedent by a brutal president.
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u/Pity_Pooty 43m ago
It's definitely what Ukraine might want. "Want" and "reasonable plan" are different things. You sound like child
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u/Tenchiro 3h ago
I am sorry that my "president" is a massive fucking cunt.
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u/EmperorGeek 2h ago
I’m getting so tired of having to apologize for being an American. That worthless sack of low grade meat in the a White House needs to be held up as a perpetual example of why it’s so important to actually VOTE for reasonable candidates for National Offices.
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u/FindingRelevantInfo 1h ago
It's not all just on the president. The entire country is complicit on this mate. You can't just say "Well, I voted the other way", shrug and carry on.
How many times have you contacted your representatives about this and convinced people you know to do the same?
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u/CelestialFury 1h ago
My representative is a Trump ass muncher who hides from his constituents and doesn’t hold town halls. I’d get a better outcome talking to a wall than Pete stauber. Also, my state is getting systematically targeted by Trump due to our ongoing resistance to him and his inhumane policies.
Are we complicit too? See how it gets suddenly messy?
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u/Phaedrus85 25m ago
If you don’t collectively find a way to reverse course, it is going to get a whole lot messier. And very quickly.
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u/EternalMayhem01 3h ago
The EU should have pushed back harder against Trump's diplomatic efforts instead of entertaining them at every turn, and this is the result. EU needs to recognize that their attempts at appeasing Trump in order to get him on Ukraine's side have completely failed. Right now, it should accelerate as much military aid to Ukraine as possible to capitalize on Ukraine's current momentum and strengthen its position on the frontline. The stronger Ukraine's position becomes, the harder it will be for Trump to pressure Kyiv into concessions that favor Putin.
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u/Informal_Process2238 2h ago
Freeze elon’s assets then the ai companies and then tell trump’s other cronies they are next if they don’t control the treasonous agenda being pushed now
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u/financialtimes 3h ago
The US has proposed that European countries unfreeze some Russian sovereign assets immobilised after Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine and transfer them to a vehicle overseen by Washington in an attempt to revive peace talks.
European delegates rebuffed the plan pitched by Donald Trump’s envoys. But it has startled European capitals and Kyiv, raising questions about the US’s intentions and its starkly different approach to pressing Moscow to end its invasion of Ukraine.
Read the exclusive story here.
Kima — FT social media team
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u/No_Football_9232 3h ago
I would give exactly zero funds to the US. It will end up in Trump’s pocket. Ukraine will see none of it.
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u/Then-Ad-345 1h ago
Trump would give them back after one phone call. This is just removing Europe's leverage
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u/Careless-Pin-2852 45m ago
Europe is so happy that it is their choice not Trumps.
What does Belgium think they hold 1/2 the money
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u/Panzerkampfpony 1h ago
It's like they don't expect it go down with the EU about as well as asking a local school to let a paedophile move in.
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u/LysergicRico 2h ago
Next up: Trump to gift American Tomahawks to russia.
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u/mademeunlurk 1h ago
All the schematics
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u/fatefulPatriot 1h ago
What do you think was in those classified documents he was keeping at mar a lago?
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u/Berkamin 47m ago edited 36m ago
Human asset info. Trump met with Russians with no Americans in the room in Helsinki during his first administration, and subsequently dozens of American intelligence assets and embedded agents were captured or executed.
Mainstream media seems to refuse to make the connection. They attribute the loss to all sorts of other reasons, anything but the orange elephant in the room.
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u/Abm743 3h ago
That's a classic russian negotiation tactic. Get a concession without giving anything in return.
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u/IdeasAreBvlletproof 1h ago
Classic Trump negotiation tactic too.
Giveaway your best leverage and then make pathetic threats.
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u/xWhatAJoke 3h ago
Ukraine is doing everything they can do right: get the ballistics ramped up asap, keep the Europeans on side, hold the front, protect the people and economy as best as possible. The USA is fast becoming an irellevance. The one major gap is how to replace US intelligence and starlink, but it's not existential.
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u/CloudyHi 3h ago
It's like when a burglar comes into your house, won't leave so you give him some money to think harder about leaving....
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u/augustus-aurelius 1h ago
Dear Americans, when will you finally do something? Your lack of action is starting to make you culpable
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u/SuckItEasy718 2h ago
Take note of our media outlets not actively and constantly calling him out as the traitor that he is. Never forget both this period and the people specifically in media that covered this disgusting and shameful stain so inadequately. Until I see him in prison- FUCK the United States.
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u/_Hawkeyes_ 46m ago
It was a nice gesture for congress to honor Lindsey Graham with that sanctions bill…to bad it was just a wagon full of bullshit.
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u/misterxboxnj 2h ago
Election Day can't come soon enough. Finally we'll have a Congress with a spine that will actually use their constitutionally designated powers the way they were designed to help thwart this traitor.
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u/twinhoo 1h ago
the whole europe and the us fighting over this war is so crazy, this seems to be the most horrible things ever happened starting 2014. i wish all peace, i’d like my country to change the government and give back Ukraine its sovereignty and territories. been waiting for peace ever since the war started
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u/CaptH3inzB3anz 24m ago
Biggest sell out to the world, anything to line his pockets and suck up to his master Putin
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u/LazyBondar 18m ago
Looks like Putin knows his puppets time is running out due to midterms so he is milking him dry
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u/deductress 2h ago
US cannot not "float" anything until there will some serious investigation into corruption of the Trump's administration.
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u/National_Scarcity489 24m ago
Looks like Zelensky is on squeeze on multiple fronts. Starshield throttling, diesel deals and asset unfreeze talks, Patriot interceptors running out. + Potentially cold winter starting soon.
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