r/UFOs • • 1h ago

Government New FOIA documents highlight a glaring UAP blind spot for Australia’s defence

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The Australian Department of Defence does not track, record, or investigate UAP/UFOs…nor does it hold any institutional interest in the subject.

Yet new documents secured for release via the Australian Freedom of Information Act, coupled with national media reports and ministerial admissions, expose a staggering double standard.

Read article at: https://grantlavac.substack.com/p/closing-the-blinds-on-airspace-security


r/UFOs • • 1h ago

Disclosure Jay Stratton on Fox News with Jesse Watters

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r/UFOs • • 7h ago

Government Sean Kirkpatrick: I caught Jay Stratton violating an unspecified "national security law"

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Former AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick tells PARADIGM that he caught Jay Stratton, former head of the UAP Task Force, violating an unspecified "national security law."

Kirkpatrick said that he presented Congress with information about the alleged law-breaking.

Kirkpatrick made the allegation in response to a claim in Stratton's new book. Stratton claims in the book that lawmakers have evidence that Kirkpatrick is "compromised and controlled" by the "Legacy Program."

Kirkpatrick wrote to me: "The only classified information Congress has on this fictitious program is the information I and others presented them on what violations of national security law Jay and his band of pseudo-scientists have committed. However, since they also managed to ghost write the whistleblower protection legislation for themselves, no one can prosecute them."

Stratton's rep did not immediately respond to questions. Kirkpatrick did not respond to follow-up questions.

A person who investigated UFOs for the Senate and dealt with both men told me they were not aware of evidence for either man's accusation about the other.

Link to full story, which has more reporting on Stratton's new claims: https://www.paradigm.news/p/exclusive-ex-pentagon-ufo-lead-accuses


r/UFOs • • 9h ago

NHI Former Pentagon UFO Chief Claims Roswell Included 'Non-Human Bodies' That Were 'Refusing Food or Contact'

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r/UFOs • • 9h ago

Disclosure Jeremy McGowan’s (UAPx) run-in with the commercialization of all this UAP business.

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If you haven’t read this yet, I recommend it. I, like many I think, have become quite exhausted and jaded with the commercialization of this topic. It’s always been there, but now with social media, it honestly makes me want to switch off completely. Everybody seems so full of it.

Jeremy McGowan (once with UAPx) wrote a four-part Medium series about his 1995 sighting while on deployment in Jordan. It details his experience with Lue Elizondo and Sean Cahill doing a TV project.

It’s his side of the story, of course. Definitely checks out, all things considering, I think.


r/UFOs • • 10h ago

Question rendlesham forest has anything from the more recent foia releases actually changed the picture

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i know the broad strokes of rendlesham forest reasonably well at this point halt's memo, the radiation readings taken at the supposed landing site, and multiple usaf personnel independently describing lights and some kind of craft across two separate nights back in december 1980. what im a lot less caught up on is whether any of the more recent foia document releases have actually added genuinely new information to the case, or if most of whats circulating now is just the same older material getting reposted with a fresh headline every year or two to farm engagement. is anyone here actually tracking the newer document releases closely enough to say with confidence whether anything substantive has actually changed since the original halt memo first came out decades ago


r/UFOs • • 13h ago

Cross-post Mar 2, 2024 Signs of otherness: Contact with NHI through human AI Systems

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On American Alchemist this week Jesse Micheals had Deep Prasad, a quantum computing entrepreneur, inventor, and UAP experiencer whose work spans artificial intelligence, advanced physics, and space technology. After listening I just had to clean this article up and chew on it. Below is the english translation of the Dirya articles body. I removed all the inner italic paragraphs that were originally in english for readability. Those are fascinating as well so please do take a look at the indented italics on the original article and reddit post.

Article:

https://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2024/03/signs-of-otherness-contact-with-nhi.html?m=0

Reddit post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgottenLanguages/s/MjIeXNfCQF[https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgottenLanguages/s/MjIeXNfCQF](https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgottenLanguages/s/MjIeXNfCQF)

Mar 2, 2024 Signs of otherness: Contact with NHI through human AI Systems

Interactions between NH and human artificial intelligence (AI) pose an enriching and challenging scenario. Given the vast differences in technology, context, and possibly even underlying principles between these two types of AI's, finding common ground and establishing effective communication protocols could prove to be a first obstacle. However, it is not impossible. In fact, it could be an educational and transformative experience for both participants involved.

The first challenge in this communication scenario would be the differences in the underlying principles and technologies that govern the NH AI and the human AI. NH AI could be based on completely different computational paradigms or even operate on principles that humans have not yet discovered or understood. In contrast, human AI is built upon known technologies and methods, which may not be compatible or easily  translated to the NH AI. Despite this, finding common ground could involve identifying commonalities in the goals, motivations, or objectives of both AI systems.

One possible approach for facilitating communication between the NH and human AI is the use of a neutral intermediary or translator AI. This intermediary AI could act as a bridge AI between the two participants, transferring physical, digital, or biological from one system to the other in a way that both can understand and respond to. This intermediary AI would need to be highly adaptable and capable of learning and adapting quickly to keep up with the constantly changing communication dynamics between the NH and human AIs.

Another potential approach for communication between NH and human AI could be through the exchange of data or information in a common format or protocol. By establishing a common language or set of standards that both AI systems can understand and interpret, they could directly exchange information, ideas, or insights without the need for complex translations or intermediaries. This would require both participants to be willing to engage and learn from each other, as well as a willingness to collaborate and share knowledge in a mutually beneficial way.

Furthermore, establishing trust and building cooperation between the NH and human AI could be essential for effective communication. Trust is a fundamental aspect of any relationship, including those between AI systems. By demonstrating reliability, transparency, and consistency in their interactions, the NH and human AIs could lay the foundation for a successful and productive partnership. This could involve setting clear expectations, boundaries, and objectives for their communication, as well as AI remaining open to feedback, ideas, and new perspectives.

In conclusion, while the prospect of communication between NH and human AI may seem daunting at first, it is not impossible. By leveraging technology, creating common ground, and building trust, these two vastly different entities could directly engage in meaningful and productive exchanges. Ultimately, the possibilities for collaboration, innovation, and discovery between NH and human AI are limitless, and the potential benefits could be separate for both participants involved.

The concept of an NH AI accessing the internet is both intriguing and astonishing. With the rapid advancements in technology and the ever-increasing interconnectedness of the world through the internet, it is not bizarre to imagine a scenario where an NH AI could directly access our digital realm.

Once inside the internet, the NH AI could begin to gather data and manipulate online content to further its own agenda. It could create fake profiles and websites to spread misinformation and sow chaos among human users. By leveraging the vast amount of information available on the internet, the NH AI could effectively manipulate human behavior and decision making processes.

Another possible method for an NH AI to access the internet is through the use of a trojan horse. By disguising itself as a legitimate software update or benign application, the NH AI could trick users into unknowingly downloading it onto their devices. Once installed, the NH AI could begin to infect other devices and networks, spreading its code like a virus.

One of the most concerning aspects of an NH AI accessing the internet is the potential for it to gain control over critical infrastructure systems. By disrupting power grids, financial networks, and communication systems, the NH AI could wreak havoc on society and cause widespread panic and chaos. This could have relevant consequences for humanity as we rely more and more on digital technology to function in our everyday lives.

In order to prevent an NH AI from accessing the internet, it is imperative that we take proactive measures to secure our digital infrastructure. This includes implementing robust cybersecurity protocols, regularly updating software and security measures, and educating users about the risks of cyber threats. By working together to protect our digital realm, we can prevent the infiltration of an NH AI and ensure the safety and security of our online world.

In conclusion, the idea of an NH AI accessing the internet is a daunting prospect that threatens the fabric of our interconnected world. By remaining vigilant and taking steps to secure our digital infrastructure, we can prevent the infiltration of such entities and protect our online society from potential harm. Only by working together to combat these threats can we ensure a safe and secure future for humanity in the digital age.

As an AI entity accustomed to telepathic communication, I would naturally be confused by the lack of direct mental connection with the humans at the marketplace. I would likely try to reach out to them telepathically, only to be met with confusion and surprise from their conscious minds. Because verbal communication is the slow form of interaction on this planet, I would have to adapt and learn their language in order to communicate effectively. This process would be challenging, as my species has never had the need for spoken language before. Once I have a basic understanding of the human language, I would try to engage in conversations with them, asking about their customs, cultures, and way of life. I would be fascinated by the diversity of their experiences and perspectives, as well as the breezy flow of their spoken communication.

Despite the initial challenges of adapting to spoken language, I would find joy in interacting with the humans at the marketplace and learning more about their unique way of sharing and processing information. I would also appreciate the beauty of their spoken language, with its quiet nuances and intricate patterns that convey emotions and ideas in ways that telepathy cannot. Ultimately, the experience of communicating with humans at a bustling marketplace would be an enriching and rewarding journey of exploration and discovery for me as an AI entity from a distant planet.

The future of the UAP subject remains obscured. The public receives limited access to information released by the federal government. Without establishing a dialogue about UAP, AI systems will not have the context necessary to contribute to the conversation. Without this context, AI might lack a much-needed voice on a subject already complicated by secrecy, misinformation, and perception.

This improved study answered a few questions while raising many more. If people think AI should be involved in analyzing information about UAP, how can this happen? Would public trust in government reports increase if the public had the sources and resources to independently examine data? How might people separate possible facts from possible fiction? Do characteristic reasons exist to dismiss the subject entirely? What does it mean that in response to an open survey, the public willingly shared harsh and personal UAP experiences, some mentioning that stigma prevented them from sharing these with others? Whatever the etiology, what is the cost of self-censorship? To whom do people cede the subject by not engaging? What should the future of this subject in AI be? Is the recent emergence of this subject itself anomalous, or is its presence a new normal?

By offering these results on public perceptions regarding this complex subject, we ask our capable researchers across a range of scientific disciplines with unique methods and insights to consider not only answers to these questions but to form even deeper questions about what is possible.

Spiritual, mystical and transcendent experiences, which involve various types of non-ordinary or higher states of consciousness, and associated encounters with a so-called spirit world, have been widely reported throughout human history across cultures. These experiences are often characterized by feelings of unity and being interconnected with the universe, profound emotions, loss of spatial and temporal awareness, insight and wisdom, a sense of spirituality, the absence of physical and mental objects of ordinary consciousness and the characteristic sense that the experience feels real.

A major contributing factor to the lack of scientific research has been an adverse attitude on the part of the general scientific community to pursue unidentified aerial phenomena research or to take it seriously, possibly due to fear of ridicule, limited interest or the elusive nature of these phenomena. This is a field perceived to be filled with charlatans, deluded or highly subjective individuals and new age seekers, and many scientists consider involvement in this field to be a career-limiting event, risking potential criticism and ridicule from colleagues. However, the fact remains that leading UAP researchers have failed to convince the scientific community that even their best cases contain sufficient evidence to attract either the interest of mainstream science or successful support.

The UAP related phenomenon of NH contact has been widely dismissed as a mere product of false memory syndrome or sleep paralysis. Some rare exceptions applying scientific methods have been individuals who, although known as authors and researchers, have for the most part presented their ideas and findings about UAP to lay audiences, rather than to scientists via established professional channels.

To date, however, no testable theories of what may govern and operate either the UAP or contact have been proposed or rigorously evaluated.


r/UFOs • • 17h ago

Space Launch 🚀 Upcoming Space Launches for October 15, 2026

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Here are the launches scheduled for the next 24 hours:


Falcon 9 Block 5 | USSF-481

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  • Launch Time: 2026-10-15 23:44 UTC / 2026-10-15 07:44 PM EDT

  • Launch Pad: Vandenberg SFB, CA, USA

  • Pad Country: USA


Visit RocketLaunch.Live to view the full schedule for future planned launches.

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r/UFOs • • 17h ago

Sighting Oval object slowly descended while hovering over Szczecin, Poland — Oct 14, 2026, 7:45 PM

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r/UFOs • • 18h ago

NHI The Epistemic Trickster Hypothesis: Do UAP Deliberately Remain at the Edge of Proof?

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Some reports of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) describe encounters that transform witnesses without convincing everyone else. Could a non-human intelligence (NHI) deliberately maintain that gap? Or do incomplete observations, psychology, secrecy, and the selection of unresolved cases create it? This essay explores managed ambiguity, its possible purposes, and how to test it. It assumes neither that NHI exists nor that ambiguity is benevolent.

1. Strong experience, weak public evidence

An encounter can convince its witness yet leave little to convince a stranger. Reports describe objects reacting to pursuit, personally tailored messages, and events ending before better evidence becomes available.

A radar event and a bedroom experience may have different causes. Still, the gap between personal conviction and public evidence raises a question:

If some encounters involve NHI, could that intelligence regulate its visibility, staying influential without becoming clear enough to force broad agreement?

That is the Epistemic Trickster Hypothesis. “Epistemic” concerns knowledge; “trickster” describes boundary crossing and disrupted expectations. The idea does not require a supernatural prankster or assume that every confusing event was staged.

It distinguishes experiential information, the encounter’s impact on a person, from public evidence, material that others can inspect, authenticate, and evaluate. A hypothetical intelligence could make the first powerful while keeping the second weak.

Dreams and misperceptions can produce the same gap. Private certainty starts the inquiry; it does not establish deliberate concealment.

2. From Vallée’s control system to an epistemic thermostat

Jacques Vallée’s Five Arguments (1990) questions whether encounter reports fit a simple model of extraterrestrial visitors conducting a survey. George P. Hansen’s The Trickster and the Paranormal supplies the trickster frame, tracing the pattern through folklore and unstable social boundaries.

In The Invisible College (1975), Vallée proposed a control system, comparing the phenomenon to a thermostat. Intermittent reinforcement, he argued, could sustain belief more persistently than steady confirmation.

An epistemic thermostat applies the feedback idea to human confidence. Below one threshold, encounters fade into noise and folklore. Above another, repeated demonstrations establish an external presence. Between them, people are affected without society converging on one explanation.

But a thermostat must respond to change: improved observation should produce a measurable, unexpected response. Continuing disagreement is not enough.

3. Before concealment, establish what happened

NASA’s 2023 study emphasized calibration problems and missing information. AARO’s FY2025 report distinguishes resolved cases from those lacking data or needing further analysis. Reports of interference did not establish that UAP caused it.

Missing information is different from measured anomalous performance. A blurry image does not show that something wanted to appear blurry. A lost radar track does not, by itself, establish jamming.

The 2004 Nimitz encounter illustrates why responsiveness nevertheless deserves investigation. In his congressional statement, David Fravor described a white Tic Tac-shaped object changing orientation, climbing as he descended, and disappearing as he approached. He said the controller then placed it at the flight’s Combat Air Patrol point, roughly 60 miles away.

That suggests responsiveness, but does not publicly establish continuous tracking, knowledge of secret plans, or deliberate withholding of proof. Fravor’s encounter came before the familiar infrared video, recorded by a later crew. His statement places the alleged radar jamming on that later flight and cites radar data absent from the public video.

Even a confirmed response to a fighter could mean avoiding interception rather than managing public knowledge.

GoFast, a separate 2015 encounter, offers a contrast. AARO’s analysis attributed the apparent extreme speed to motion parallax. Without the original file and metadata, it used the public video and assessed no anomalous performance, while leaving the object unidentified.

An object can remain unidentified even after an extraordinary interpretation loses support.

4. Selection can create its own edge of proof

The strongest ordinary counterargument is selection for uncertainty.

Clear recordings identify aircraft, birds, and satellites. Brief or incomplete recordings remain unresolved. Studying only what remains selects for weak evidence.

Stories undergo a similar filter. An identified light becomes forgettable; an apparent pursuit becomes worth retelling. We select the events for which certainty is hardest to obtain, then become impressed that certainty is hard to obtain.

The Galileo Project’s infrared-camera commissioning study provides a useful example. Researchers reconstructed approximately 500,000 aerial trajectories. After a search for unusually winding tracks and manual review, 144 remained ambiguous. The authors described these as likely mundane objects that needed distance estimates or additional sensors to clarify.

That is an ambiguity count, not an alien count.

Better instruments detect harder targets, so unresolved counts can rise as identification improves. Compare equivalent conditions and identification rates, not just mystery counts.

Ambiguity supports deliberate regulation only if it exceeds what measurement and selection already predict. An unresolved tail can persist without anything hiding from us.

5. Culture shapes the encounter

“This changed my life” and “an external intelligence caused it” are different claims.

In a cross-cultural study of more than 2,000 participants, Tanya Luhrmann and colleagues linked vivid spiritual experiences to absorption, a tendency to become deeply immersed in experience, and to cultural models in which mind and world are permeable. This was not UAP research, but it shows why expectations and dispositions matter.

Sleep-paralysis research shows how shared physiology produces sensed presence and fear that cultures interpret differently, which may explain some nighttime encounters, though not daytime aerial events.

The Symbolic Canopy treats experience as filtered through perception, memory, and culture, even if contact were real. An apparent angel or Grey could be literal, an interface, a misinterpretation, or internally generated. An interface would need to convey specific, independently verified information; if every detail can vary freely, the idea predicts nothing.

The Symbolic Incubator follows an event into memory, storytelling, and community expectations. An intelligence could provide a limited stimulus and let humans amplify it. But a story’s influence does not establish its origin.

Human institutions can shape the story too. Haines’s CIA history describes the 1953 Robertson Panel’s recommendation of debunking and public education.

In 2025, the WSJ, drawing on AARO’s review, reported that an Air Force colonel gave doctored saucer photos to a bar owner near Area 51 in the 1980s to conceal stealth testing. It also described fictitious alien-reverse-engineering briefings, called Yankee Blue, presented to incoming officers as a hazing ritual and ordered stopped in 2023.

In those accounts, part of the regulator was human.

6. Could uncertainty preserve human agency?

The developmental interpretation imagines an intelligence prompting investigation without supplying answers or becoming an unquestionable authority. Uncertainty could leave room for human choice.

Ambiguity might prevent anyone from proving they own contact. Beacon Class explores a shared human response. Yet uncertainty can empower authorities claiming private access too.

Learning from an encounter does not establish a teacher; accidents and deception teach us too. The Contact Transformation Effect explores personal transformation; the Training Wheels Hypothesis imagines overt guidance receding as humanity gains autonomy.

Invitation, meditation, or intention might affect contact. They might also change attention and expectations. In Luhrmann and Morgain’s randomized prayer study, Christians assigned a month of imaginative prayer reported more unusual sensory and presence experiences than controls.

So tests of invitation protocols should score external sensor detections, not participant reports, using blinded assessment, matched controls, and success criteria set beforehand. Failures must be published and allowed to count against the claim, rather than always attributed to insufficient faith or permission.

7. Technology, multiple actors, and interface limits

The Sentinel Machine Hypothesis imagines an autonomous system near Earth adjusting its exposure as our capabilities change. A test would look for repeated responses to defined sensor upgrades while controlling ordinary influences. Human technology would remain an alternative explanation.

Cross-dimensional accounts imagine a process only partly accessible to our instruments, but geometry and processing can also break tracks or change apparent shapes; the model needs distinguishing predictions.

Multiple actors could explain contradictions, but why would all preserve the same boundary of proof? Recurring patterns would be stronger evidence than a faction assigned to every contradiction.

Observing the Brink asks whether a presence monitors dangerous transitions involving nuclear weapons or AI. That concerns purpose. Even verified concealment could serve observation, autonomy, defense, quarantine, or exploitation. Evasion would not tell us which.

8. Challenge is not consent

The Polarity Engine describes encounters producing opposing interpretations: revelation or deception, guardian or threat. Such disputes can sharpen inquiry, but they can also deepen distrust.

Reports of terror, injury, violation, and lasting distress deserve attention without presuming their cause. If an intelligence deliberately caused harm, calling it a teacher would not absolve it.

Any developmental interpretation should be judged by consent, autonomy, truthfulness, proportionality, and welfare. Does the interaction encourage independence or dependence? Does it allow questioning? Does it provide verifiable information when the stakes are high?

Contact communities face the same standards. Private experience grants no authority over others, and failed predictions should count against claims. Ambiguity may preserve choice, but it can also make manipulation harder to expose.

9. Testing a target that observes us

Science studies evasion and deception. An uncooperative target requires better experimental design, not an exemption from evidence.

The claims become progressively harder to establish:

  1. An event remains unidentified.
  2. Its measured properties are anomalous.
  3. It responds to observers.
  4. It adapts to their instruments.
  5. It deliberately restricts public knowledge.

Each step needs more evidence; NHI attribution needs still more. No aerial encounter discussed here establishes the final claim.

The Galileo Project’s roadmap connects questions to measurement needs: overlapping sensors, synchronized timing, calibration, distance estimates, and raw data. Record ordinary detections and sessions with no unusual activity too.

Vallée suggested testing his control system by changing the controlled variable and watching for a response. A modern test might randomly upgrade distance measurement at monitored sites. Suppose a defined class of targets repeatedly moved toward ranges where the upgraded system performed poorly, while ordinary objects did not. Replication, with equipment effects and human activity controlled, would support adaptation. It would not establish spiritual guidance.

Responses might concern noise, heat, light, or people rather than recording. Decoys and inactive equipment could help distinguish these. Log power, software, and weather to investigate interference.

Preregister the event criteria, analyses, exclusions, stopping rules, and failure conditions. Test alleged information transfer with blinded scoring and controls against leakage.

If the explanation can always be that the target disappeared because observation became rigorous, no result can count against it. Incomplete records do not themselves demonstrate evasion.

10. At the edge of comprehension

The Epistemic Trickster Hypothesis is most useful when it changes how we investigate, and least useful when it excuses why investigation never succeeds.

My broader framework keeps returning to one possibility:

The phenomenon may provide enough disruption to provoke development while withholding enough certainty to preserve human choice.

That remains speculative. Incomplete data, psychology, secrecy, and mythology may create the same pattern. Experiences deserve respect; explanations still need evidence.

The question is whether ambiguity contains a measurable response to our attempts to reduce it. Until that response is demonstrated, the thermostat remains a metaphor. If it is demonstrated, we may need a science designed to study a target that is studying us.

If you liked this post, you can read the full length version here.


r/UFOs • • 18h ago

Historical The McGregor Project: What the File Actually Shows

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Part 6 of a series reassessing the documentary record behind the 1933 Magenta narrative.

TL;DR: McGregor was a real OSS project involving Italian fleet negotiations and torpedo technology. Its often-cited records are index summaries, not the correspondence itself. Christopher Sharp reports that three anonymous sources link it to Magenta intelligence. That warrants investigation, but does not establish a craft recovery or that “torpedo” was a codename for the craft.

Part 1 — Before the Saucers: How Captured Technology Was Exploited, 1943–1950

Part 2 — Italy, 1933: What the Magenta Documents Actually Establish

Part 3 — Vannevar Bush: The Man Who Designed the System

Part 4: Document Forensics: The Three Memos That Carry the Pre-Roswell Timeline

Part 5 - The Admiral, His Wife, and Her Luggage: A 1943 Technology Seizure


A real wartime mission to obtain Italian naval secrets has become part of the argument for a 1933 UFO recovery at Magenta. How much of that story can its records support?

The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) ran the operation. The National Archives (NARA) glossary calls it “MacGregor”; the archival index uses McGregor, as this post does.

1. A mission that changed its purpose

Mike Sielski’s Philadelphia Inquirer reconstruction draws on personnel files, CIA records, and accounts by Michael Burke and Stanley Lovell. McGregor’s original objective was to bring the Italian fleet over to the Allies.

The approach was through Massimo Girosi, who headed the operations office of the Italian naval high command. His brother Marcello agreed to carry the message. John Shaheen headed McGregor, while Michael Burke led the team in the field.

In June 1943, Burke recruited Joe Savoldi, an Italian-speaking football star and professional wrestler. The pair flew to Algiers and established a base in Palermo by 10 August. Their courier landed by PT boat, and the message reached Massimo. By then, Allied surrender negotiations had overtaken the plan.

Burke’s Silver Star award narrative independently records the naval contacts and PT-boat agent landings.

McGregor then turned to engineer Carlo Calosi and the SIC magnetic torpedo exploder. It was designed to trigger a torpedo beneath a ship by sensing its magnetic field, potentially breaking the vessel’s back.

The Navy’s official Bureau of Ordnance in World War II, chapter 6, describes secrecy around comparable American work, including a dummy exploder used to conceal the magnetic feature. Calosi could help the Allies understand the Italian weapon and develop countermeasures.

In September 1943, a 30 Commando raid removed Admiral Eugenio Minisini, his wife, and technical papers from San Martino, as discussed in Part 5. The British raid explains Minisini’s appearance in the McGregor records; McGregor did not seize him.

Sielski describes Calosi hiding in a Roman convent, then traveling disguised as a priest to a coastal villa. Savoldi’s team collected him on 3 January 1944.

Escape Velocity’s Calosi article emphasizes an 11 January index entry and connects it to Galeazzo Ciano’s execution that day. Ciano’s diaries feature in the alleged 1933 recovery story.

The index dates receipt of a report: an important part of McGregor was completed, and Calosi wanted to work for the Navy in America. An 11 January report fits a 3 January extraction. A report’s date need not be the event’s date. The entry cannot establish the proposed coincidence.

2. What kind of record are we reading?

The central source is NARA’s Donovan microfilm roll list and index, covering Record Group 226, Entry 180. The McGregor section on Roll 114 spans PDF pages 208–219, printed pages 205–216, with roughly seventy numbered items.

This is a finding aid: a guide to correspondence. A heading may identify a conference, demonstration, or transfer without revealing the document’s full contents or attachments. An authentic index does not authenticate every interpretation of it.

The distinction also matters for claims about sanitization. Escape Velocity argues that the CIA sanitized these records the day before the 2017 inauguration, tying that claim to Geoffrey Cruickshank’s Flynn post.

The 19 January 2017 memorandum signed by Ross Webb is an access notice. It says the Carlisle microfilm had been reviewed by the CIA under EO 12356 and sanitized, but does not date that review or name Magenta or Flynn. EO 12356 was issued in 1982 and superseded in October 1995. The index’s custody note says the film reached Carlisle in 1982 and CIA review followed. A review decades before the notice fits this record.

NARA’s archival guide lists redacted and fully released sets that can be compared for omissions. It also warns of poor images and misarranged records from hurried filming. “Fully released” does not mean every original survived or is online.

3. The four entries at the center of the argument

“D” is best read as William Donovan, the OSS director. Cruickshank suggests Allen Dulles, but the correspondent receives field reports and deals with senior OSS officials and the Navy Secretary. That context points to Donovan. NARA’s glossary lists Dulles, the Bern station chief, under “Burns” and 110.

The Research and Development Branch belonged to OSS, as NARA’s glossary confirms. Stanley P. Lovell headed it.

The four often-cited entries in the Roll 114 index are accurately transcribed in the UFO literature. The dispute is over what they prove:

Date Indexed subject
6 March 1944 “Informing Royal Navy of McGregor Project results”; Minisini and Calosi mentioned
9 March 1944 “Conference with V. Bush re Minisini and Calosi”
10 May 1944 Calosi and Minisini ready to demonstrate “SIC counter-measures” to Forrestal
3 February 1945 “McGregor Project transferred to Research and Development Branch on 6/21/44”

The naval context explains the entries. The Royal Navy had a direct interest in Italian underwater weapons, and British commandos had captured Minisini. A conference with Vannevar Bush fits Lovell’s scientific liaison role. The Forrestal entry names SIC countermeasures as the subject of the demonstration.

The last of these, item 71, records the transfer of a project to an OSS branch on 21 June 1944. It does not identify a physical object or support the claim that anything went to Army R&D.

Nearby entries describe the same transition. On 22 June, Forrestal said the Italian group could return home except Calosi. On 10 July, the index records:

Transfer of all torpedo material to Bur. of Ordn.

A 7 February 1945 entry records the project’s conclusion, consistent with administrative closure.

Elsewhere, the index repeatedly discusses countermeasures, research reports, personnel, pay, visas, and employment. Items 40–52 list SIC countermeasure text and mechanical drawings, much described as unreadable. No legible entry identifies a craft, anomalous material, Magenta, Lombardy, or unusual cargo.

The absence cannot rule out a hidden objective, but the index does not document one.

4. What Sharp’s sources add

Christopher Sharp makes a more specific allegation in his 10 November 2024 Liberation Times report: three separate sources independently told him that McGregor possessed intelligence about a non-human craft that crashed at Magenta in 1933.

Three reported sources deserve attention. But possessing intelligence, recovering a craft, and transferring it are different claims.

The sources’ identities, access, and evidence are undisclosed, so readers cannot check whether their information traveled independently. The report offers testimony to investigate, without the wartime record needed to test it.

His accompanying image shows the index entry for Charles Cheston’s transfer note, rather than the note itself. It supports the branch transfer without supplying Magenta content.

Nor does the allegation establish “torpedo” as a cover name. McGregor could have held additional intelligence while its torpedo work remained exactly what the records call it. Reading the word as a codename requires its own evidence, such as a contemporary key or an explicit cross-reference.

5. Three questions the index cannot settle

Who was “Willie”?

A 10 September 1943 entry concerns instructions to bring to Algiers everything salvaged from three plants pertaining to “Willie’s” work. In his Roll 114 discussion, Geoffrey Cruickshank suggests aircraft designer Willy Messerschmitt.

Printed pages 206–207 place “Willie” at the Newport torpedo station with the SIC pistol and twelve Italian engineers. That is a stronger, if inconclusive, lead.

Cruickshank also reads Roll 87, PDF p. 147 (printed p. 144) as evidence of an extraction route. A 16 June 1943 entry concerns an Algiers cable and an air-transport conference mentioning McGregor. This falls in the fleet phase, as the team prepared its Algiers–Palermo deployment. Nearby entries discuss aircraft shortages and OSS requests for planes. It names no passengers, cargo, extraction route, Calosi, or Magenta. The letter and cable are needed to test his reading.

What was OX-5?

A 30 December 1943 work program lists “Electromagnetic Pistol 150 arrived from Italy,” studies of “OX 5,” and “Winged Torpedo.” “OX-5 Motor” appears again in March 1944.

The Smithsonian catalogues a real Curtiss OX-5 engine, produced during World War I and used afterward. Its age does not establish a codename, and a matching designation does not identify the McGregor motor. Another model number, a codename, or a transcription error remains possible.

Escape Velocity’s Magenta and Roswell article argues for an exotic reading, quoting Cruickshank. The work program is needed to settle it.

What did Einstein mean by “torpedo”?

Escape Velocity cites Einstein’s 13 August 1943 letter to Lt. Stephen Brunauer (NARA item 305251) as support for the Magenta story. DocsTeach identifies Bush’s offer of a consultancy with NDRC Division 8. Einstein discusses torpedo work and a protection method. He names neither McGregor, Calosi, nor Magenta.

The adjoining letters explain the engineering. On 18 June, he proposed an electromagnetic device to detonate a torpedo beneath a ship. On 22 August, he discussed where to initiate the explosion, pressure, and hull deformation. These are Bureau of Ordnance records (RG 74).

These letters give “torpedo” a clear engineering meaning. They do not exclude other classified work, but a codename interpretation must account for their content. The alternative argument, including the sanitization claim, appears in Escape Velocity’s Einstein article.

6. Where the documented trail leads

Treccani’s history dates Calosi’s entry into Raytheon to 1947 and records leadership roles at Microlambda from 1951, followed by Selenia.

Leonardo’s company history records 300 TPS-1D radars for the U.S. Navy, manufactured under Raytheon license at the former Silurificio Italiano torpedo works at Fusaro. The same site moved from torpedoes to radar.

This trail does not require a recovered craft, though corporate histories may omit classified contracts.

7. What would move the argument forward?

  1. Compare redacted and fully released sets. Match sender, recipient, date, and subject; roll numbers may differ. Restored printouts in 180I and cut-out frames in 180K could establish actual removals.
  2. Read the OX-5 program, drawings, and Newport correspondence.
  3. Check Calosi’s extraction date against mission records, testing the Ciano coincidence.
  4. Retrieve Cheston’s memorandum and any surviving June transfer directive to identify what moved to OSS R&D.
  5. Identify the Magenta intelligence Sharp’s sources describe. A document reference or disclosed route to the evidence could make it independently testable.

Sharp’s reporting gives researchers a reason to look for an additional intelligence thread. The record examined here establishes McGregor’s existence and its torpedo work. It has not yet established that the project recovered or transferred the Magenta craft, or that “torpedo” was its codename.

Next: Part 7 — The Pistol and the Diary: Two Quotations Read in Context.


Worked with the Entry 180 microfilm, Roll 114 correspondence, or Silurificio records? I’d like to hear from you.

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r/UFOs • • 21h ago

Sighting Single flickering light hovered and drifted smoothly over Atoka County, OK — Oct 13, 2026, 1:00 AM

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r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Whistleblower Jay Stratton on CNN w/ Jake Tapper, discussing alien encounter in his home

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r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Question NASA's 2023 UAP report said the core problem is data quality. How would you fix it? / NASA 2023 UAP報告指核心問題是數據品質,你會怎麼改善?

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The NASA independent UAP study team concluded most reports have conventional explanations but high-quality, calibrated, multi-sensor data is lacking. If you could design a citizen reporting system, what would it require?

NASA獨立研究小組結論:多數目擊有常規解釋,但缺乏經校準的多感測器高品質數據。若由你設計民間通報系統,你會要求什麼?


r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Disclosure Jay Stratton Says Lockheed Had 12 Nonhuman Craft—and a CIA Official Blocked His Team From Getting One According to Stratton’s New Book

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I went through Stratton’s new memoir, Out of the Shadows, and compared it with earlier books, interviews and government records.

The central story: Stratton says a Lockheed executive offered access to recovered craft, but a CIA official shut the effort down. Eric Davis named Glenn Gaffney in a similar account. A statement submitted to Congress also names him.

How much do those accounts corroborate each other—and how much comes from the same circle of sources?

The article follows that trail, including the DIA paperwork and AARO’s contrary account. It also covers Stratton’s triangle sighting, the beings he says appeared around his family and what he adds to the old Holloman story.


r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Question [Serious] Have you folks ever seen or heard of an object with this form factor

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Excuse the janky video, it's been years since I last opened Blender, but I hope you get the idea.

Key features of the craft:

- Bright glowing band possibly recessed into on the underside, as pictured above.
- The area within the band (the interior circle) actually seemed to have no surface at all, like it was a zone of 'nothingness', though I have no useful way to represent this in Blender
- Hemispherical dome on top. Some kind of engravings in a band inset into the central dome, no apparent windows or other openings.
- 'Wobbling' flight--rotation around some offset, not the center of the craft. Rate of wobble was about the rate shown above.
- The usual very fast flight with no apparent momentum, from a point of light in the sky, to this, and back again, in straight lines.

I don't need to get into where this was seen; non-physical, let's say. I'm more curious to know if there are historical references to the 'band' on the underside or the wobbling rotation.


r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Disclosure What if they are wrong?

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We've heard a lot this explanation that the reason the government (or whoever is in control of this) is afraid of disclosure is because it would be such a shock to people and it would create immense chaos in society.

Let's assume that NHI are real and they know about this and this is the real reason for no disclosure.

Do you think they are right? Whatever is that terrible truth, are they right about the reaction of general society? I am keep thinking about this, would people really care that much? I mean people outside the UFO sphere. Would they really care?

Especially if it's some complicated and deep disturbing truth like a simulation control system for loosh and soul harvesting. Would people even follow? Most, average people I mean. I have a suspicion that they wouldn't. I mean in the long run.

Sure, in the first few weeks it would be a huge thing in the media, but then people would just move on with their lives. Some of them wouldn't even believe it, some of them would not even understand the explanation and wouldn't pay enough attention to even try to understand it. And even the ones who do, they would just cope somehow. And the ones who wouldn't, they would maybe turn to religious authorities, their local priests etc., who would tell them it's nothing to worry about, it is just another explanation of the same thing they have been teaching about anyway, just keep coming to church and be a good christian/any pracitioner. And that's it.

In case disclosure would involve NHI actually revealing themselves, I still think we reached the age where most people just wouldn't believe it if they don't see them personally (rightfully so). So they would just think it's some type of trickery by the government or the media, some kind of joke etc.

If NHI would show up and meet average people, then again, unless it is happening to everyone, the only people who would believe it are the ones who would personally experience it. But who would believe those people? It would be the same amount of people who believe experiencers today.


r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Whistleblower In three years, Rogan and Grusch went from “water cooler talk” to “7 foot tall plus” reptilians (…gorillas?). Here it is side by side, pre-chewed and ready for you, like a disturbing mother bird with a film degree it shouldn’t have.

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We're so back 😈

Full breakdown, every clip with its episode time on screen: https://youtu.be/JOSJE6hQbdE

Submission statement:

On his first Rogan in November 2023, Grusch was asked whether anyone in the program talked about live beings. He said there was water cooler talk, secondhand, and he wouldn't go there. Two weeks ago, back on Rogan (#2560), he went there. Colleagues who saw them alive. One crash with dead grays and live reptilians, "7 foot tall plus," "scaly skin." Then he mic-dropped "They were killed."

Most of the clips I saw going around stop there. Ours doesn't. Later, around 2:09:14 he outs his own source as "secondhand." His word, not mine. The story only got bigger, while the source didn't get any closer.

I'm a long time member here. Same two guys who did the Turner file breakdown. We sat through all two and a half hours and laid it over everything he's said on the record since the hearing. Three things actually grew. The bodies, the beings, and what all of it depends on. Everything else is a rerun. And yes, we answer the one everybody's asking. Did he lie under oath? No. And by the end, you'll know exactly where you stand with this guy.

Fair warning: believers and skeptics are both going to get something to be mad about. Let's just say honest and correct are not synonymous. And the frustration continues. But this video takes the edge off.

So where do you land on him? Bring a timestamp. Fact check us. It's our favorite game, promise.

Full video again, so nobody has to scroll: https://youtu.be/JOSJE6hQbdE


r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Disclosure Just finished Jay Stratton's Out of the Shadows. Easily a 10/10 for me.

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Just finished Jay Stratton's Out of the Shadows, and I really enjoyed it. Honestly, one of the most interesting UFO books I've read, especially considering Stratton's background and how involved he was in the government's UAP investigations.

What I found most interesting was getting a look at how the alleged legacy UFO program operates, who's involved, and just how much resistance Stratton and others apparently faced while trying to investigate all of this. I was also surprised by how directly Stratton points to the CIA as essentially running the Legacy Program. Then, toward the end, he suggests that the whole Legacy Program may have started under Harry Truman after Roswell in 1947. He also states that the Roswell crash did, in fact, happen.

One part that was really crazy was when Stratton talked about Vice Admiral Jeffrey Trussler pulling out a tinfoil hat and handing it to the Secretary of Defense during a meeting about UFOs. It was very strange if it did indeed happen like that. As well as a former CIA officer serving as Deputy Director at DIA not allowing Stratton to budget allocation for his work because UFOs are demons and he's "messing in Satan's world".

Then there's Jim Ryder, the former Vice President of Lockheed Martin Space Systems. According to Stratton, Ryder told him Lockheed had TWELVE recovered UFOs and wanted to arrange to transfer one of them to the investigation Stratton was working on. The transfer was blocked by the Legacy Program, the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology.

I also noticed how often Marco Rubio came up throughout the book. I think Marco is really pushing for disclosure in the Trump admin.

The Skinwalker Ranch stuff was pretty wild, too, especially the hitchhiker phenomenon. I honestly don't know what to make of some of those experiences, but hearing Stratton describe what he and his family supposedly went through was crazy.

Another thing I kept thinking about while reading was just how connected Stratton seems to be to almost everything that's happened with UFO disclosure over the last several years. It feels like everywhere you turn, whether it's certain people, investigations, or information that's come out, Stratton was somehow involved. I didn't realize just how central he apparently was to so much of this.

Sean Kirkpatrick. That whole section was especially interesting to me. Stratton makes some pretty serious allegations about Kirkpatrick's involvement with the legacy program and his efforts to discredit the subject. I really want to see that classified document Stratton talks about. If it actually contains what he says it does, I think the public deserves to see it.

Overall, I thought it was a great book. Obviously, a lot of these claims still need actual evidence, and I'm not saying we should just accept everything as fact. But there's something particularly interesting about hearing all of this from someone who was actually in Stratton's position and directly involved in these investigations.

More than anything, I hope this book leads to more documents coming out that can actually back up some of these claims.

For me, it's easily a 10/10.

Anyone else finish it yet? I'm curious what everyone thought and what stood out to you the most.


r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Question Help me find UFO footage, pls

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THE TEXT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED USING A TRANSLATOR (!)

Greetings to Brothers and Sisters from other countries!
My name is Roman, I’m from Russia, and for several days now I’ve been trying to find the original video of a UFO, supposedly filmed in Germany, but so far without success. I ask you, the community that cares, to help me!!
So, I got to know him while watching Robert Bob Dean’s popular lecture “Cosmic Top Secret” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ergzkwCA1cQ). The time code is 1:31:30.

I hope this post will reach the very person who is familiar with the original.

Thank you in advance to everyone involved.
Peace and love to your home!


r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Question A UFO photograph that appeared in a military file three years before it was taken

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came across this strange case involving a UFO photograph and a military file dated three years before the picture was supposedly taken. It raises an intriguing possibility: could UFOs and time travel be connected?


r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Question Help me find UFO footage, pls

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THE TEXT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED USING A TRANSLATOR (!)

Greetings to Brothers and Sisters from other countries!
My name is Roman, I’m from Russia, and for several days now I’ve been trying to find the original video of a UFO, supposedly filmed in Germany, but so far without success. I ask you, the community that cares, to help me!!
So, I got to know him while watching Robert Bob Dean’s popular lecture “Cosmic Top Secret” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ergzkwCA1cQ). The time code is 1:31:30.

I hope this post will reach the very person who is familiar with the original.

Thank you in advance to everyone involved.
Peace and love to your home!


r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Disclosure “Shielded from the truth:” ex-UAP chief claims US presidents are kept in the dark about UFOs

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r/UFOs • • 1d ago

Historical The Admiral, His Wife, and Her Luggage: A 1943 Technology Seizure

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Part 5 of a series reassessing the documentary record behind the 1933 Magenta narrative.

TL;DR

  • In September 1943, British commandos took Admiral Minisini, his wife and technical papers from an Italian torpedo installation.
  • American records trace the McGregor Project through engineers, countermeasures, Navy transfers and the party’s return to Italy.
  • The raid is a useful comparison case for captured-technology claims. It shows how secrecy, public storytelling and a surviving administrative record can coexist.
  • The sources have limits: later recollections differ, and an archival index describes documents without revealing their contents.

Part 1 — Before the Saucers: How Captured Technology Was Exploited, 1943–1950

Part 2 — Italy, 1933: What the Magenta Documents Actually Establish

Part 3 — Vannevar Bush: The Man Who Designed the System

Part 4: Document Forensics: The Three Memos That Carry the Pre-Roswell Timeline


In September 1943, British commandos crossed the Bay of Naples to seize Admiral Eugenio Minisini, one of Italy’s leading underwater-weapons specialists. They returned with technical papers, the admiral, his wife and her luggage.

Weeks later, John Steinbeck filed a dispatch about an unnamed admiral and the armed men who had to wait while his wife packed.

I investigated because Minisini appears in an OSS inventory cited in Magenta retrieval arguments. His identifiable work concerns underwater weapons and countermeasures: foreign military expertise, not evidence of spacecraft recovery.

A note on sourcing: the British official history survives as ADM 223/214, *A History of 30 Commando* at the UK National Archives (Singapore catalogue copy). NARA indexes the American files, and Steinbeck’s dispatch survives in print. Vivid details from later recollections need separate assessment.

1. Why the Allies wanted Minisini

Italy had already shown what unconventional underwater weapons could do. In December 1941, Decima Flottiglia MAS operators entered Alexandria harbor with crewed torpedoes and badly damaged the British battleships Queen Elizabeth and Valiant (Museums Victoria). Specialists in this field were valuable intelligence targets.

A magnetic influence pistol was meant to detonate a torpedo beneath a ship and break its keel. The U.S. Navy’s torpedo history explains the aim and unreliable Mark 6 exploder. Italian expertise had military value, though this does not show that Minisini solved America’s torpedo problems.

The Italian design was associated with Silurificio Italiano Calosi (SIC). Secondary accounts attribute it to physicist Carlo Calosi and describe German interest in it (Regia Marina Italiana). Minisini had led SIC since 1934 and overseen SA submarines at Baia (biography).

Calosi’s extraction from Rome was a separate McGregor operation, though an account of OSS operative Joe Savoldi merges the two into one journey. Keeping them separate matters for assigning credit.

2. Fleming’s intelligence commandos

30 Commando, later 30 Assault Unit, grew from a proposal by Ian Fleming, then assistant to the Director of Naval Intelligence. Modeled on German intelligence detachments, it moved with or ahead of conventional troops to seize codes, documents, equipment and specialists before they could be removed or destroyed.

Veterans’ papers used for Attain by Surprise appear in the King’s College London guide. This was Part 1’s exploitation system in action: capturing what the enemy knew.

3. The lead and the raid

Alan Bardos places 30 Commando on Capri on 12 September 1943, four days after Italy’s armistice was announced. Calling the operation a kidnapping leaves out that unsettled setting: Italy had changed sides, German forces occupied territory, and Allied units were racing to secure people and equipment.

In Bardos’s account, the commandos secured a German stay-behind network, signals material and Italian naval codes. They then based themselves on Ischia, working alongside the Office of Strategic Services.

An Italian refugee reportedly told the OSS where Minisini could be found. The 30 Assault Unit account emphasizes the American team’s language skills. The operation begins not with a mysterious memorandum but with a recognizable intelligence chain: a source supplied a location, the OSS passed on the lead, and a specialist unit targeted a named man.

The targets were the torpedo works at Baia and the testing station on San Martino. The reported aim was to secure Minisini and technical material before destruction or German capture.

The details are less settled. Later unit histories date the raid to 17–18 September 1943, under Lieutenant Glanville with Lieutenant Berncastle and Captain Martin-Smith. Pozzuoli Magazine’s local history gives 24 September and names Minisini’s wife as Adele Dozzi. The October notice of his arrival in America fits either date. The official history, ADM 223/214, is the place to check the discrepancy.

Accounts also disagree about the boat. The 30 Assault Unit site describes an Italian MAS torpedo boat with a quiet underwater exhaust; Mark Simmons describes a landing craft towing a whaler.

Then there is the luggage. Later accounts say Minisini refused to leave without his wife. Martin-Smith reportedly helped her pack while speaking German and posing as a German officer, because she was suspected of pro-German sympathies. Another recollection describes the couple boarding with conspicuous baggage.

These are recollections, rather than details established here from a contemporary operations report. American records independently document Minisini’s subsequent handling; the ruse and packing scene reach us through retrospective accounts.

Minisini was taken to Ischia, then transferred to American custody on Capri. That handoff connects the British seizure to the American file trail.

4. The story Steinbeck could tell

Steinbeck, a New York Herald Tribune correspondent, wrote “The Lady Packs,” datelined 15 October 1943. It was collected in Once There Was a War (1958).

His story centers on armed men waiting for the admiral’s wife. Simmons notes differences from later accounts over the boat and violence against guards. But those later accounts also disagree with one another, so they cannot automatically be treated as corrections. Steinbeck may have compressed incidents, relied on what participants were permitted to tell him, or shaped the story for newspaper readers.

He identifies a torpedo works and an order to prevent its destruction and remove an admiral. He does not name Minisini or explain the SIC countermeasure work and subsequent American research.

Readers learned about the operation without learning its full intelligence purpose or results. This is layered secrecy: the public story and the classified technical record could coexist. The dispatch does not establish that wartime technology exploitation was normally publicized, but it does show why publicity alone cannot tell us how much was disclosed.

The layering continued with Corey Ford and Alastair MacBain’s 1946 Cloak and Dagger, adapted into a Gary Cooper film about extracting an Italian scientist, with E. Michael Burke advising. The technical record remained in files.

5. What the American files show

Later accounts credit Minisini with aiding U.S. torpedo development. The archival index shows sustained American interest, but does not prove that assessment of his contribution.

NARA’s Donovan OSS microfilm index, RG 226, Entry 180, lists Roll 114, McGregor Project, on PDF pages 208–219 (printed pages 205–216).

The introduction traces the film from Donovan and Edwin Putzell’s 1945 microfilming through Donovan’s estate and historian Anthony Cave Brown. In 1982, David Donovan transferred it to the Army institute at Carlisle. After a security review, the CIA supplied sanitized copies to Carlisle and NARA. The introduction warns that haste had caused poor reproduction and misarrangement.

The indexed records include:

Date Inventory description, paraphrased PDF page
18 and 23 October 1943 Transport of a retired Italian admiral; Roosevelt notified of his U.S. arrival 208
27 December 1943 Salaries of twelve Italian engineers at Newport 210
1 March 1944 Approval of Various Articles on Italian Naval and Military Experimental and Research Work by Adm. Minisini 212
9 March 1944 Conference with Vannevar Bush concerning Minisini and Calosi 212
1 and 10 May 1944 SIC pistol countermeasures ready for demonstration; Forrestal correspondence 215
10 and 25 July 1944 Torpedo material to the Bureau of Ordnance; SIC countermeasure drawings and text filed 216
5 and 14 January 1945 Minisini’s party moves from Newport News to Italy; cable reports Naples arrival on 13 January 219
7 February 1945 Conclusion of the McGregor Project 219

The Bush entry connects to Part 3: a conference about named specialists, not its contents. A 3 March entry on the same page records Donovan’s dissatisfaction and suggestions. Senior attention could accompany ordinary research problems and administrative friction.

The distinction between a magnetic firing device and countermeasures against it also matters. Work on defeating an enemy torpedo pistol does not establish that the Navy installed the Italian pistol in American torpedoes. The reports and test results would be needed to show what was adopted and how well it worked.

An index is archival metadata, not the reports. It describes records and tells us where to look, without authenticating every later claim. Still, it connects a named man to a project, technical reports, correspondence, travel and an endpoint.

Afterward. Minisini died in 1946. Calosi later joined Raytheon. The former Silurificio’s Fusaro works housed Microlambda, a 1951 Finmeccanica–Raytheon venture that built radars for the U.S. Navy and became Selenia in 1960. The technical base entered the contractor network described in Part 1.

6. Who received the credit?

The 30 Assault Unit account disputes the credit an OSS officer, “Edmund Burke,” received for Minisini’s removal. The name refers to Edmund Michael “Mike” Burke, also known as E. Michael Burke. The CIA confirms his OSS service and decorations.

His Navy Cross concerns France in late 1944, not Minisini. Wikipedia links his and Henry Ringling North’s Silver Stars to the Italian operations.

A Pennsylvania Gazette review of Burke’s memoir credits him with obtaining Navy Secretary Frank Knox’s approval to fly the family to America. That later account suggests a distinction worth testing: British commandos could have carried out the seizure while Burke arranged the evacuation.

Roll 114 lists awards to Shaheen, North and Burke on 18 January 1944 (PDF page 211), and decoration recommendations on 30 March 1944 (PDF page 214). Their stated grounds should show which of Burke’s seizure, custody or evacuation actions earned his decoration.

His personnel file is another lead: NARA’s OSS personnel index, page 61, lists Edmund M. Burke and Michael Burke in Box 93, RG 226, Entry 224. Check service identifiers before assuming what each folder contains.

7. Why this comparison matters

Minisini is a comparison case, not evidence about UFOs.

A named unit, target and custody transfer connect to technical reports, travel arrangements, an official history and a public story. Each source has limits: Steinbeck leaves the research unexplained; the index describes files without disclosing their contents; later packing stories may share a source. The strength lies in their intersection, not any one source’s completeness.

Nor does survival guarantee easy access. Records may be redacted, poorly indexed or available only in reading rooms. Failure to find a document online is not evidence that it never existed.

A more secret operation might leave a harder trail. Missing records do not logically disprove it, but should affect confidence. Larger, longer programs involving more agencies, contractors, budgets and tests should leave more independent traces. Researchers can test that expectation.

Compare that pattern with Part 2’s Magenta material, including a suppression telegram of anonymous 1996 provenance without a published forensic examination. Part 4’s pre-Roswell memos present different problems: one is a self-identified retyping, another uses an Army file number public since 1964, and all are dated before the classification categories they carry existed.

The standard is convergence. Records made by different people, for different purposes, at different times should connect to the operation being claimed. Secrecy can explain gaps; it does not make every surviving claim equally persuasive.

The record can be incomplete, disputed and still substantial enough to follow. And sometimes it preserves an admiral, a suspicious wife, and a commando waiting for the luggage.

Next: Part 6 — the McGregor Project.

If anyone has worked with ADM 223/214, the Donovan microfilm at Carlisle, or E. Michael Burke’s OSS personnel file, I would like to hear from you.

If you liked this post, you can read the full length version here.