r/Sufism • u/Remarkable-Word8479 • 7h ago
Undecided between Hinduism and Sufism. / Interested in the concept of ʿālam al-khayāl, the Imaginal World, and its relationship to the embodied.
I will write a duel post about two separate but relative topics here. Please feel free to engage with only one or both.
Undecided between Hinduism and Sufism.
Firstly, I should advise that I have in-fact taken my shahada long ago. Whether I am still in the fold of Islam or not today is definitely debatable.. Secondly, I am acutely aware of the potential for inflammatory animosity between Sufis & Hindus, so I will try my best to be respectful here, and I would like ask for some grace. Really I am in a very strange position right now, where I am sort of an awkward outsider to both of the aforementioned communities, and observing with much curiosity.
Now onto the post: I wanted to say that both belief systems fascinate me to no end comparatively. For example, both appear to have major overlapping themes such as: Moving beyond ego, purification, loving God, dikr vs mantras, meditations, unity with the divine (don’t take that too literally), sacred dances, charity, and even some significant historical interactions between the two groups. Some Sufi branches even include women, which is somewhat in line with the Hindu beliefs on femininity being a reflection/gift from the universe itself, though maybe contrastly that particular bit is not actually in Sufism. I don’t know. I’m just stating that many Sufis are quite welcoming towards women as equals. Not necessarily viewing women as having the same roles, but seeing them as equals.
By the way, just as a quick preemptive argument for the comments here, I’d like to mention that I do not believe that Hindus are polytheistic, I believe (that they believe: in one God. They don’t worship the idols themselves, but rather the idols represent different ‘gods’ which are all seen as personalities of the one God. They’re not necessarily seen literally as something separate from the one God, but philosophically different rather, despite the blatant connotations and very poor contrast with the Quran.
I’ve already posed a few questions to the Hindu community.
Now it’s your turn Sufi’s. ❤️✨
Why should I, intellectually speaking, choose Sufism over Hinduism? (aside from the small fact that culturally speaking, I would probably much prefer to live in the Muslim World, lol)
If that question is far too broad for you, or more of a basic Islam question, then feel free to not answer, or to simply engage with any other part of this post.
Interested in the concept of ʿālam al-khayāl, the Imaginal World
I will say that ultimately my greatest curiosity and obsession currently lies within meditation and accessibility to the greater dream world (Ibn Arabi’s vast earth from the Meccan Revelations.)
On my profile, on my singular other post that I’ve authored to date, I have written in another sub quite extensively about my personal profound experiences with exploring the ʿālam al-khayāl, the greater dream world, a barzakh, at night. Though this was done from a new age, modern mystical approach. I was not necessarily seeking God, though I definitely may have been seeking out the universe. Anyway, that post seemed to be very well received by the modern mystical community. Sufism had a heavy mention.
, and its relationship to the embodied:
I also wonder greatly about the relationship between the imaginal and the embodied: whether there are ways in which we can not only access this greater realm through inward meditation, but also experience something of this in the earth as well, and as such, a near-adjacent topic that completely fascinates me, in both aforementioned belief systems:
is Dancing,
as a direct connection to the divine and a way of deep meditation. The great and numerous Hindu Cultural Dances, or the Sufi Whirling Dervishes, both appear to be about unifying with the universe and/or channeling divinity depending on your views. I could probably articulate that better, but you probably understand what I mean. Basically, with much Spinning and graceful movement: I think in the immaculate beauty of dance, the dancer comes very close, adjacent, to that higher plane of existence. Furthermore, I even suspect that dance may also work in the direct reverse of spiritual ascension at times..instead carrying a part of that higher plane down into the earth, like a bright light, a noor, that is shining through the person, the dancer, or whirler, or what have you, and the light fills into the room and gives the area a different energy. I think it even affects the people around.
..Let me know your thoughts about any of this, from either section. Or any thoughts at all really, are welcome.