r/Standup • u/RogerEbertsDog • 1d ago
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u/SuddenValley1899 1d ago edited 1d ago
That was his whole schtick. Clay later regretted it because he was typecast as a douche of his own making. He couldn't tell the kinds of jokes that he wanted because his douche crowd would leave him. He got a lot of shit for sexism in the early 90s, which is impressive in its own right.
His career has been pretty quiet since the early 90s, the only thing I remember since was a part in Blue Jasmine, he did a good job, but even that movie was so long ago that it was made back when Woody Allen and Louis CK were widely liked.
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u/aboysmokingintherain 1d ago
Correct me if I am wrong, but this was a character he did on the side that blew up beyond his actual personality.
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 19h ago
Same with Larry the Cable Guy. He's from Illinois or some shit and doesn't dress or talk that way except on stage. It was a bit he did a few times on a radio morning show I think. Saw some early standup of him where he looked and sounded like Dave Coulier.
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u/SuddenValley1899 1d ago
They show it in the Dark Side of Comedy episode about him, yes that was the most successful bit and he ran with it.
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u/hamandjam 1d ago
Yep. Guess the money was just too good and he tied himself to a character that turned into an anchor. Gets himself a movie deal but all he gets to do is play the Dice character playing the movie character. And then the world moves on.
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u/Comfortable_Studio37 19h ago
That's exactly like Daniel Whitney aka Larry the Cable Guy. He just did regular stand up until the Larry character got popular and now that's the whole act.
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u/imtheguy225 22h ago
Hate to break it to you but Louis has made like five hourlong specials since being canceled
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u/ILoveHarlots 21h ago
And dozens of people have watched them! Dozens!
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u/imtheguy225 14h ago
Lmao are you implying they weren’t viewed by millions of people? Netflix literally purchased the rights to them from Louis.
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u/iced_gold 1d ago
Ever hear Jay Mohr's story of the time he watched Dice try to work clean, and how it bombed?
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u/7thpostman 1d ago
He was in a Star is Born
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u/SuddenValley1899 1d ago
I learned that earlier today, That is a big deal. Unfortunately for him still not many credits and never a lead role.
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u/Inevitable_Movie_902 1d ago
The Adventures of Ford Fairlaine was a leading role. No one watched it, but he had the lead role.
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u/SK_socialist 1d ago edited 17h ago
There’s a YouTube series about Louis CK that really really highlights how fundamentally Bojack Horseman-like he has always been.
It achieved a rare feat of not only making Dane cook the good guy compared to someone else, but so much more clever (the hand-motion he made in his Louis cameo made it past so many layers of creative control lmaooooo Louis’ such a fraud)
Edit: it retroactively makes Dane cook not a joke thief for acknowledging the Steve Martin inspiration, and Louis’ the actual joke thief for pretending martin’s joke didn’t exist (lying by omission)
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u/ChurchillsChicken 14h ago
Name of the series please. I tried looking it up but it just kept popping up clips to his news specials.
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u/SuddenValley1899 1d ago
What's it called? I'm interested. Louis was a small part in Blue Jasmine as well.
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u/SK_socialist 1d ago
The channel’s called “comedy without errors”, and it has the cliched title “we need to talk about (Louis)”. My favorite part (the Dane cook vindication) is in chapter 2
Chapter 1 starts out with a long prelude where the narrator explains how and why they really loved Ck’s work. Probably to emphasize that they weren’t a day one hater envious of him, and to show they understood his appeal.
A lot of the later content emphasizes how often podcasters prove they didn’t even read the original articles with the known victims’ quotes, and how CK misleads them over and over on his comeback pr tours.
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u/steers82 1d ago
Thanks for the rec. Just blasted through it and it is all very good.
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u/whiskeyrocks1 1d ago
I mean yeah, but that was his character. He was shocking, and offensive on purpose. Everyone is talking about Shane Gillis on SNL, but when Dice was booked to host two cast members protested and the musical guest cancelled before he even hit the stage.
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u/TheSleazyAccount 19h ago edited 4h ago
when Dice was booked to host two cast members protested and the musical guest cancelled before he even hit the stage.
People act like no one got offended in the '80s and '90s - they absolutely did. Perhaps even more so than today. They just didn't tweet about, and you couldn't see thousands of comments from anonymous strangers on your phones about it.
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u/2025TastyTreats 12h ago
The musical guest being Sinead O'Conner but she was was re-booked, I don't recall if anything of note happened on that show...
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u/Any-Wedding1538 1d ago
It’s also… not very funny
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u/Ellamenohpea 23h ago
are you basing this "fact" on the response from the stadium full of people laughing hysterically?
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u/SinginInTheRainyDays 17h ago
Someone being popular in the moment does not make their "funniness" a fact. Fact: humor is subjective. This person also did not even say the word "fact". You are getting all outraged for no reason.
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u/ALauCat 1d ago
I remember him too well. Guys who really believed all those shocking and offensive things exist to this day and they were encouraged by him. He made me sick.
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u/PinkFloydDeadhead 1d ago edited 1d ago
Those guys should make you sick, not the guy parodying them.
Edited as I said guys implying Gillis too. No, his shit is weak.
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u/JCMiller23 1d ago
Not offensive, but it's shock humor that's not shocking these days - so the jokes don't land with a modern audience
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u/TheNonCredibleHulk 1d ago
I saw him twice in a weekend in 2019. He was at Sonic Temple, and due to a timing issue, his set ended up halfway through when the headlining act took to the stage.
I think it was the Foo Fighters, who also brought Pauly Shore on stage for a great moment.
Anyway, someone made it up to him by putting him on the main stage, and people were pissed. Except he wasn't doing the 1989 Dice. Had people not prejudged, they would have found a different Dice than they thought.
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u/MikeDamone 19h ago
I know he's always been seen as low brow, but it's still disorienting that this was considered innovative and subversive to a segment of people in the late 80s. Nowadays this bit just sounds like a story a 19 year old would brag about to his friends to show off a small measure of sexual prowess.
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u/TorkBombs 1d ago
I dunno, maybe it's cause I was a kid at his apex, but I've always found Dice to be fucking hilarious. And I think it's more than shock humor. "Salami and nut ride" is pretty goddamn creative. Offensive? Sure. But good. But I guess two keys to enjoying this: 1. Understand it's a joke and this is not how you should treat women. 2. Understand it's a joke and that's all. It's not some commentary on gender relations. It's a dirty nursery rhyme.
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u/ErstwhileHobo 1d ago
I was a kid when he was famous, I thought he was funny but I couldn’t sit through a whole act. It felt repetitive. My friends all loved it, though.
His album, the Day the Laughter Died is nothing short of brilliant, though.
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u/PeakNader 1d ago
Gilbert did the best Dice impression
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u/El_Chiqui123 1d ago
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u/duskywindows 1d ago
“The Day the Laughter Died” is genuinely so funny because of how unfunny it is. It’s remarkable.
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u/DullAmbition 1d ago
His grocery store bit is genuinely great:
What’s more remarkable is how this album is the template for a lot of crowd work we see today.
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u/RabbitHabits 1d ago
I think he used to be really funny, and more importantly creative, in his early days. But then he realized this character was an absolute cash grab for him and he went all in. Offensive? Yes. By design. But it made him a superstar who we're still talking about almost 40 years after his peak.
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u/TorkBombs 1d ago
What's fucking crazy is I just saw a clip of him on Diff'rent Strokes before he became the Diceman. Watched that show religiously and never saw that episode. Just weird seeing him in a wholesome family show. He was playing a dirtbag though, but one who meant well.
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u/Answer70 1d ago
The Day the Laughter Died is an all time classic.
For those that don't know, at the peak of his fame, when he was selling out stadiums, he plays a small club and improvs his whole set. It bombs horribly, but is somehow hysterical.
I listened to it recently to see if it held up, and it was shockingly vulgar. But it got funnier and funnier as it went along, and it ends super strong. It's still funny AF.
Definitely worth a listen for comedy fans.
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u/ThisVeryUsername 1d ago
This was 40 years ago
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u/Libtardo69420 1d ago
Yeah. And he's playing a character. Andrew Silverstein is his real name.
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u/Willing-Ant-3765 21h ago
I guess you could choose to be offended by it. What I don’t understand is how anybody found ADC funny.
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u/CaptainCorpse666 18h ago
I think its the sign of the times. Sexual jokes like this weren't as mainstream, so I think it was shock value.
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u/Cheeaseed 18h ago
That’s a good point; there was no internet, so someone taking the way people talk when no one is listening was a surprise.
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u/Known-Extent-1018 11h ago
I laughed out loud at loud, because as a character it's hilarious. Reminds me of Tim Heidecker's standup, whose special is maybe my favourite of all time.
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u/One_Large_Mofo 16h ago
he was considered an act. Back then we understood the difference.
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u/supersonicdutch 15h ago
It does not offend my senses but It offends me that it’s passed off as comedy. It just sounds like something a drunk at a bar would say to five of his drinking buddies to get a laugh. I like the Dice man as a character in a movie, but not a comedian bc it’s not comedy.
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u/AnHu3313 21h ago
And why does he dress and move like Elvis?
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u/2025TastyTreats 13h ago
This is the most fascinating and amazing thing about Andrew Silverstein. This "Dice" character was part of his early stand up routine that included impressions of Travolta, Elvis etc.
He has now fully committed to this "Dice" character for 40+ years now. He has very rarely let himself slip and just sticks to it. It is one of the all time great performance art pieces in history in my opinion.
Andy Kaufman would be so incredibly proud of him.
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u/Basset_found 19h ago
If you watch a show of ADCs you'll question if they were actually there for comedy. Kind of became something way different - really odd vibes - ravenous misogyny.
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u/YoungXanto 17h ago
Thats the problem, right?
Chappelle stepped away from his show at the height of its popularity because he realized people weren't appreciating the social commentary. His fans were laughing at the problematic behavior and social norms he was trying to point out.
Its the danger with any parody that becomes popular. At a certain point, you end up doing harm to your own message because so many people are 1) lazy and 2) as a result, wildly media illiterate.
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u/PhilosopherFun7288 9h ago
There are people to this day who think that "The Colbert Report" was an actual conservative talk show.
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u/EmployeeEmergency481 14h ago
people seem to forget that blue material was bleeding edge comedy at the time. Comedians were arrested and had shows canceled by venues.
The audience is laughing at the destruction of social norms more than the content of the act.
Imagine a child seeing a phogrpah of Ruby Bridges walking into her elementary school. The art is lost on those without context.
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u/godzillasegundo 10h ago
Blue comedy was bleeding edge? More like it was mainstream, especially more so than now considering cancel culture.
Eddie Murphy was the biggest comedian in the world at the time and his stand up act was entirely blue.
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u/NatureBoyBuddyRogers 8h ago
Agreed. And before that Richard Pryor who was big. And before that Lenny Bruce. I think when Lenny was doing it in the 50s you could call it bleeding edge (never heard that term before)
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u/thepianoman456 15h ago
I’m just watching this bit stone faced while his audience is erupting lol. Like… it’s not really funny at all. Times have changed and (some) people have evolved?
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u/Tsui_Pen 15h ago
Did you watch the clip? “What’s your name?” Is an objectively hilarious line right there.
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u/Jombafomb 9h ago
Carlin had a great takedown of this type of comedian. “The people he picks on are underdogs and comedy traditional picks on people who are in and abuse power. Gays, women, immigrants are underdogs. And I think his core audience is young white males who are threatened by these groups, guys who aren’t sure of their manhood. They’re worried that people think they’re gay, assertive women deny them sex and they’re worried immigrants are going to take their jobs.”
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u/ohgoodferyou 1h ago
Oddly... I'm more offended by the audience's reaction?
Dice is fascinating, because if you ever listened to him without an audience - like, on Howard Stern show appearances - the joke was in the Andy Kaufman-esque adherence to this douchey character. Like, it's not really about the jokes, it's about this endless schtick carrying on at every moment. It's so cartoonishly buffoonish, how can you be offended?
But audiences in the 80s turned him into this strange hero, a rockstar. The bit was supposed to be that he is so fucking shitty, and then, somehow, he says something even shittier than you thought possible. It's like endlessly doubling and tripling down on shittiness.
But you're not supposed to applaud and cheer him on... But it was the 80s. Tons of comics I respect speak very praisingly about Dice, so I'm not so quick to write him off as talentless, even if I hate what he does.
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u/CryptographerCrazy49 19h ago
Yeah, they are just dad jokes with an edge. This sucks
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u/misstheolddaysfan 1d ago
If you're laughing at it, you find it ridiculous. You know its bad behavior. You know its not how people should act. Thats why you laugh at it.
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u/zerohelix 1d ago
Comics were just hitting different back then.
Dice Clay was actually just a persona this comedian created. He tried out different ones but this one just stuck with the audience so he went with it. I thought it was hilarious but it would have a a niche audience.
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u/Any_Contribution1301 1d ago
Niche? Dice sold out arenas.
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u/illpoet 1d ago
Yeah dice was the biggest comic in the world for about a year before his audience turned on him
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u/NewmansVileWeed 1d ago
what do you mean turn don him...I never heard this
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u/illpoet 23h ago
After a certain amount of time people decided he was crass and vulgar. He wasn't "cool" anymore and people stopped going to his shows. It was right around the time he made the movie ford Fairlane and it bombed
I have a really vivid memory of him crying real tears on some talk show, letterman maybe. He couldn't understand that his act got stale and it devastated him.
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u/HonorableJudgeIto has reservations at Dorsia 22h ago
He fell out of fashion right when Clinton came into office, grunge hit the radio, and movies like Singles and Reality Bites hit the theaters. There was a cultural shift at that time. Dice was like hair metal and stone washed jeans. Overnight, young people thought he just wasn’t cool anymore.
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u/swearengens_cat 1d ago
Nope but not funny either.
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u/iwontsurvivethis 1d ago
I couldn’t understand why people found him funny then and I sure as fuck can’t understand it now. It was the least creative lowest common denominator bs to ever exist
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u/Funny_Science_9377 4h ago
These bits seemed low rent at the time, too, but today I admire the fact that he didn't conclude his act with a knowing look at the crowd and some smarmy bullshit sentiment to make it all seem alright. The character was unrelenting. It wasn't Andy Kaufman but it also wasn't someone acting like an average Joe while he delivered these jokes.
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u/FlobiusHole 1d ago
This isn’t very good comedy in my opinion but I’m not offended by jokes made for middle school boys. It’s just not very good.
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u/scrodytheroadie 1d ago
I worked with Andrew in the 00’s when he was trying to get a comeback reality show sold. Hung out with him at the comedy club and at his house a bunch. He was a super nice guy.
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u/Worldly-Fondant-3791 20h ago
And he went on to have a long successful career. Comedians still talk about how groundbreaking and influential he was. Oh wait…
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u/GeneratedUsername019 15h ago
FWIW this guy has never been me too'd, never charged with assault, never exposed himself to anyone, never ... Probably still damaging and part of the reason for the manosphere today
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u/Indyhouse 10h ago
Because this particular character was an act. Good or not is up to the individual.
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u/ARedditAccount09 1d ago
Yes. But it’s funny. It’s jokes with written twists and in a persona.
We really lost the ability to have discourse over comedy by assuming that people being offended can’t take jokes and other people thinking saying something offensive makes it a joke.
Offensive jokes have and always been funny. Hacks don’t get away with it
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u/soscbjoalmsdbdbq 21h ago
You could say Carlin, Murphy, Pryor were “offensive”but they were actually funny unlike Clay
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u/friday126 1d ago
"Offensive"
Outside of a direct attack on one's self, we DECIDE what offends us.
Most people these days seem to CHOOSE to be offended. For themselves, other people (who often wouldn't care), for their political party.
Who cares?
Dice was TRYING to be offensive for the sake of comedy. A LOT of the best comedy is on some level offensive to someone's sensibilities. A LOT of our sensibilities are societal constructs.
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u/ATXDefenseAttorney 20h ago
Yes, it was offensive. That was the point of the character. It worked. People wanted something offensive to laugh at, nobody thought he was really treating women that terribly in his real life.
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u/fools_errand49 16h ago
I'm noticing that a lot of people here don't seem to get that the character he plays is the actual punch line of every "joke" he tells.
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u/Green-Survey9189 15h ago
This sub is about moralizing any comedian slightly edgier than Mike Birbiglia.
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u/fools_errand49 14h ago
Yeah I've noticed that a lot of the comedy subs are not interested in actual comedy.
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u/Pepaguero 1d ago
I never thought he was funny. And I like some offensive comedians. He has always seemed very uncool to me. Passe
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u/MattyCannabis 1d ago
I remember a Rodney Dangerfield HBO special for young comics and Dice was one of them, he did the nursery rhymes bit and it wasn’t nearly as funny compared to the other comics on the set like Bill Hicks and Dom Irerra and Robert Schimmel. But his schtick was too dumb to be offensive, then or now.
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u/MelvinEatsBlubber 1d ago
I love this and 2 live crew when I was a kid. I honestly didn’t fully grasp what was being said.
But the feeling. The feeling was soooo exciting.
Sometimes things are just exciting
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u/idlefritz 1d ago
In context of that moment in time it was pretty outrageous to hear the material so people were interested in the phenomenon. Nobody I remember talked about him being a good comedian only controversial. We were just dipping our toes into more socially shocking stuff like Faces of Death, shock radio jockeys, satanic panic, Madonna humping on stuff... It was like a taboo gold rush for anyone in entertainment similar to how we recently made so many millionaires off of anti-woke "comedy" that was much less interested in being funny than pushing buttons.
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u/--StinkyPinky-- 20h ago
It's so silly and gratuitous at this point that it's not even offensive.
I'm from that time, and all I can remember is how scandalous his "comedy" was. Now it's just silly. It's like 2 Live Crew music.
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u/Remarkable_Deer_4748 10h ago
Lady Gaga likes this guy, thats good enough for me. He played her dad in A Star is Born, did a great fucking job.
His comedy routine is an act. You don't know what he's like in real life, based on this. Don't like it, don't listen to it. I don't judge the people (men and women) who think its funny. I think they realize its all an act as well.
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u/nglatzhofer1 20h ago
It’s playing a character. People do it in movies all the time. They play awful people. Sometimes they’re so awful we actually think we dislike the person.
Comedians do the same thing. Some of them are the same people they are on stage, but not always. You can laugh at how absurd the things he’s saying are (unless you just don’t think it’s funny) or you can tell yourself that he’s real and he really believes the things he says and you can be angry about this fictional person.
And harm does come from people who hear the ridiculous comedian saying these things and agree with them because they’re too fucking stupid to realize it’s a character and it’s ridiculous to say the things the character says.
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u/BusinessBeetle 20h ago
Seeing him do non ADC acting roles I was surprised how good of an actor he is.
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u/chokes-on-pillz 18h ago
Yeah there's an thing in satire where some people believe it to be true. This happened plenty with the Colbert Report
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u/wrathofthewhatever2 11h ago
That Ohio state study of the Colbert report was hilarious, I forget the numbers but waaaayy too many young republicans thought he was one of them
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u/TheRussness 11h ago
Being a piece of shit as a joke, gets old overtime and eventually those smart enough to see the satire grow stale of the subversion of expectation.
Pieces of shit, however, never get tired of being a piece of shit so over time they see the joke as a safe space where they can exercise their shittiness.
So eventually all those smart enough to understand the satire leave and all you're left with is a unironic cesspool of shit.
It's kind of like how 4chan started as a joke and eventually helped get Donald Trump elected.
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u/chokes-on-pillz 10h ago
I think you're widely correct. The only counter point I would say is when the comedian is actively trying to portray how rediculus like Republicans are.
I do a little bit of comedy improv and I like to play as a self important, narcissistic Republican news caster but I don't actually believe in anything im acting. Maybe intent matters most here.
But I think you make a great point about characters can have tendency to shift some personal beliefs even in illful and wrongful directions
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u/TheRussness 10h ago
You are trusting your audience to both think you're being disingenuous and to think you're funny.
That's a lot of trust
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u/AllTheWayToParis 18h ago
Exactly!
Most people realize the absurdity and the act becomes a critique of the character (which I personally think is the point).
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u/Immediate-Ruin-78 16h ago
Offensive? No. I can't imagine a scenario where I'd be offended by a comedian.
Funny? Also, no. Fucked out jokes with weak "punch lines".
Cringe? You bet.
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u/SimonGloom2 1d ago
More Shane Gillis snowflakery? The problem here is that it's not funny.
If we find some construction workers, this barely begins to be in the same league. You can go to anywhere a bunch of 13 year old boys are hanging out and this is the type of stuff they say. Then they also talk about how they think they can make it in comedy. There's nobody in the world who hasn't heard this stuff, and any offended people have no idea what's on TV anymore.
And the people who are offended by people saying this is offensive? Two sides of the same coin as the moms sending angry emails. No different. Both groups of people are on a diet of only what they want to hear and lock out 99% of the rest of the world. These are people who need to listen to Rogan and Tony Hinchcliffe repeating old Carlin stuff from the 70s when they'd arrest comedians for profanity. Widow's Bay just swept the Emmys and the sailors on that show say this stuff. It's just that the Roganverse brainwashed folks aren't getting the constant complaining and whining they need so they can feel like victims.
Here we go again. "Cancel culture" and all the other talking points. Gee, I wonder what's going to be the topic of every podcast bro this week. "We can't say anything anymore." The comedians getting cancelled now are saying things about the president in trade for corporations who own the media to leverage being able to get away with crime. And this cancel culture crap, shocking that it's before another election and it looks like MAGA is nosediving again. They've found the bot farms that promote this phony outrage against Shane Gillis, and spoiler - it's Israel and Russia and China doing a lot of the lifting.
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u/OceanGrownPharms 1d ago
Remember when he cried like a baby on TV because his feelings got hurt and nobody "understood" him?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Dude is a soft bitch
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u/RKKP2015 17h ago
No, not funny. Just straight up misogyny. I realize it's just a character, and I don't feel offended by it. I just don't think it is funny. I also don't find Sam Kinnison screaming very funny. The 80s comedy scene just hasn't aged well, for me.
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u/copperwatt 1d ago
What an unfunny toolbag. Thank goodness he's forgotten and irrelevant, whoever the fuck he is
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u/audiogenocide 1d ago
If he didn't shock you, you need to look deep within yourself. It was 30 years ago, yea it doesn't play well now but I believe he was making a lot of people see themselves in him and hopefully get the point.
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u/Reallyroundthefamily 1d ago
I'm not offended by Dice. The absurdity makes this mildly funny to me now as an adult but this isnt good standup either. Its not witty or even tight.
I guess without thinking about it I look at this more as an acting performance or a one-man show than stand-up. If I look at it that way it works better for me.
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u/imyourblueberry 1d ago
"I thought he was funny when I was a kid." OH BUDDY, YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO GETTING IT
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u/DullAmbition 1d ago
I found a lot of this era banal and repetitive, but the unexpected “what’s your name?” is a genuinely well-crafted turn.
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u/Western-Bowl2011 1d ago
Offensively stupid. I was alive during his hey day, he was always a terrible comedian. 100% "shock"" comedy that doesn't work today because none of it is shocking at all anymore.
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u/realbobenray 22h ago
Of course it is, that's the point. The "Diceman" is a persona that Andrew Silverstein came up with, mimicking the guys who used to hang out on the corner in Brooklyn where he grew up.
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u/Suitable_Guava9515 22h ago
Actually, I think it's a lot funnier today than when he performed it. It comes off as a parody of the manosphere. I don't get this whole worry of being "offensive" as a comedian. The whole point of comedy is to joke about things that are not socially acceptable or part of normal conversation but are commonly thought about. Some comedians strive to move the Overton Window.
What I've observed is the less socially acceptable a joke is the greater the skill required to pull it off. For me the question here is not whether Dice's bit is offensive, of course it is, the question is, is it offensive AND funny. Comedy is all about risk taking, pushing the envelope. If the comedian succeeds maybe we reconsider a topic or a social norm in a new light and in the process learn something about ourselves.
What's the lesson here? Hookup sex is vapid and shallow, and Dice shows it with an extreme example.
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u/ILoveHarlots 21h ago
I find the fact that it wasn't very funny to be offensive.
Yeah, it's supposed to be funny because he's an arsehole, but my friends when I was 15 yo listening to this shit seemed to miss that part.
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u/brothermalcolm1 20h ago
Never found ADC funny.
He was good at getting the crowd to react to his schtick as a boorish, unoriginal, over-the-top, offensive New Yorker. Cool.
People were laughing-great! No one is hurt. People had a good time. He made some money, and others made money.
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u/North_Apricot_4440 20h ago
The character he’s playing is a misogynist whose material is punching down.
A lot of people like that.
He would kill in our current climate.
( never funny-no material)
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u/psyclopsus 19h ago
“So this chick is suckin my dick the other day, right? And I’m thinkin to myself This must be really awkward for everyone else in the elevator.”
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u/justsayfaux 1d ago
The whole schtick with his act was to be offensive. That's it. "I'm playing a meathead NYer, laugh at how ridiculous I am"