r/SipsTea • • 21h ago

SMH The advice didn't age well.

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u/Akvyr 21h ago edited 21h ago

Why is it so hard for americans to understand that you were subsidized to do this by trade dominating and exploiting the rest of the world? It is like a country rich on resources that ran out if, and then wonders where all the sweet quality of life went. You fucked up your diplomatic and trade Empire, and China won it over. You still have it much better than 95%+ of the rest of the globe ever did, enjoy it while it lasts.

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u/Common-Concentrate-2 19h ago

There are millions of people in China right now who have been working for 2-8 months without payment...and deliver drivers who have a phd from Oxford and are earning $5/hr. A government is one thing, but the experience of individuals can be drastically different.

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u/idulort 21h ago

The fact that there are geographic variations in income, does not necessarily mean there can't be generational difference as well. 

It was easier to make and save money in the 80s than it is today.  It is easier ro make make money in the United states. 

Those two arguments are not mutually exclusive. 

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u/skelectrician 20h ago

It might have been easier to save back then, but it was a hell of a lot more difficult to borrow. Mortgage rates then were like credit card rates today.

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u/Antique-Coach-214 21h ago

Oh, that’s not hard to understand. Not at all.

I want a post scarcity utopia. Europe is heading that way, if people would stop blowing each other up and degrees were worth a bit more.

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u/Whipitreelgud 20h ago edited 20h ago

Why is it so hard for Euros to understand what two world wars, twenty years apart did? What will happen with Russian v Ukraine? Divert money to bombs and guns, with little economic benefit is one likely outcome. We hope that is all that is lost because it obviously it is possible to have things go much worse.

All of the smart, hard working men who lived in Europe had their lives taken and that took down the future of their countries as well. Nope, those wars were American exploitation(?)

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u/Moandaywarrior 20h ago

We fund Ukraine as a deterrance against further aggression. The last world war ended 81 year ago.

"future of their countries as well"? Lol.

The us is at an advantage because the rest of the world still props up your stock markets and the dollar.

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u/Mountsorrel 20h ago

You are asking Europeans to better understand the effects of two world wars?

Your comment is very hard to follow and your point unclear

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u/IllusionaryHobo 20h ago

If you don't think American cultural hegemony and trade dominance have afforded the US an overwhelmingly influential position,

just try to find the nearest Coca-Cola bottle or can. I'm sure one can't be far away.

The concept of a transnational corporation itself is kind of a hot idea.

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u/Haalandinhoe 20h ago

The US prints money out of thin air, and this money is then used as a global currency. America makes shitton of money purely out of making more money. This wouldn't work if dollar didn't have the global dominance it currently has.

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u/Whipitreelgud 20h ago

Print your own money. The American economy was completely intact after the last war and had to switch back to making pots and pans instead of rebuilding everything. The lead that was afforded is overlooked as this post proves.

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u/Haalandinhoe 20h ago

Do you think the US would be happy if allies and such stopped paying for oil with the dollar? That's one of the reasons why they're going for world hegemony through military, political and economic means.

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u/Whipitreelgud 19h ago

Here’s a great idea, China wants to be the currency for oil, go with them. Or, make the Euro the oil currency.

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u/Remarkable-Win-8556 19h ago

That's a risk Euros have not chosen to take, and you nailed the reasons why in the second sentence. Why are we pretending somehow magically the game of power politics changed after world war 2 and is so totally different than the preceeding thousands of years of documented human civilization? "Do what we want or suffer" has historically been a reasomable tactic for entities trying to gain political or economic advantages.

Why are we dancing around it? Become enough of a porcupine that the US can't impose their will and you will be able to change things. Literally the same answer you would give to a nation 1000 years ago.

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u/Haalandinhoe 19h ago

It has worked so well for the countries that opposed american hegemony. Just look at Iran whom is thriving economically.

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u/Remarkable-Win-8556 19h ago

I'm not saying it's easy (and I'm a US citizen, I disproportionately benefit from the evil); history is a good precedent. How long did it take nations to escape the shackles of the British Empire, the Roman Empire, etc? Just simply fighting back doesn't mean you win, this isn't an after school special with happy ending.

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u/Haalandinhoe 19h ago

It's just a queation of time before the US collapses in on itself, how long can they be hegemons with rising national debt? My guess by 2100, the world is no longer puppets of the US, either because of economic collapse, or China surpasses them / EU federalizes. 

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u/Remarkable-Win-8556 19h ago

I generally agree. Population decreases everywhere may shift this, but then again maybe the AI / robot stuff will completely negate that impact and allow declining populations to compete.

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u/Tiny-Pianist-1314 19h ago

> Print your own money

how did that work for gaddafi?

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u/2Rats4Dinner 19h ago

Must be hard trying to explain something to a currency. Why do you do that?

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u/YassinRs 17h ago

I don't think an American has any business telling Europeans on the effects of the two world wars, especially when they insisted on showing up late. 

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u/nordak 16h ago

As if Americans were obligated to fight in the wars between European imperialists. My ancestor fled Europe rather than be drafted to fight for Russia in WW1 and I don't blame him one bit. Wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to go fight and die to sweep up Europe's Nazi problem either.

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u/YassinRs 15h ago

Russian, ofc. 

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u/Whipitreelgud 9h ago

My great grandfather left Germany in 1893 and immigrated to Kansas. The Kansas State historical society interviewed him after he retired. He said he left Germany after serving in the Army because they just wanted to fight wars. I have a copy of this statement from the book it went into.

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u/nordak 9h ago

Yeah, I actually even have a copy of my great-grandfather's journal/memoir. Both of his parents died of a disease (not specified) when he was 16. He heard that the Russians were coming to draft, so a local minister helped to dress him up like an old man and smuggle him out across the border. Years later, he tried to look up the minister and found out he was killed by the Soviets.

Europe was a hellhole; it's no wonder so many people wanted to leave.

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u/Whipitreelgud 7h ago

He came to the US with nothing but the clothes on his back and retired with a dairy farm with 130 cows, wife and 4 sons. He did not know how to speak english when he arrived. My mother said it was hard to understand his version of english. None of his sons had any interest in continuing the farm. I cannot imagine milking that many cows from the 1890’s until 1939.

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u/macam85 20h ago

Well there's some truth in that, but the global south is still being dominated. The big difference is that fiscal policy allows the rich to keep everything now.

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u/CarmenxXxWaldo 19h ago

It was also artificially pumped up due to the cold war.  You think people would rally against communism today?  Once the Berlin wall fell they didnt need to make capitalism look super fantastic.

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u/_twowheelin 16h ago

I love the Europeans chiming in. You know, those countries who live under socialized systems they can afford because they don't need a defense budget because they know the US will jump in to save them when needed. They complain using the internet built by the United States on sites run out of the United States on devices designed in the United States and watch American movies and TV.