r/ShenComix • u/YoungShitheel • 8d ago

To those Transvestigating Shen

https://youtube.com/shorts/ob1ZwUI-Zqk?si=PzgUkN9tOB8AGDJn

This has probably been done to death, but I feel like this video has a pretty good message in relation to what I've been seeing in some of this sub.

That being;

I don't think it's our place to care about whether or not Shen is cis, a repressing trans person, or some secret third option.

I'm sure those telling him to stop "repping" aren't doing it out of genuine malice. They probably just don't want someone to go through what they must have on their way to finding their true selves.

Yet my point still stands.

Whatever he is, it's HIS BUSINESS. Leave mothafuckas alone.

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u/LustBunnOfForests 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yes? I never said that Shen was trans femme?? I just specified that I am a trans woman because it's the internet and I wanted to make sure people knew I was queer to avoid someone jumping on me for no reason, but here we are, apparently.

I am well aware that "Figuring things out" and "gender queer" does not mean "hasn't realized they're a trans woman". I was making a joke about how the process of figuring out one's gender and Knowing But Fucking With People For The Bit are similar and inscrutable. You decided to be mad for no reason and read words that I straight up did not type.

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u/Aethelrede 7d ago

Perhaps I judged you too harshly.  Let's back up a second, because I'm genuinely interested in understanding your point of view.  Please note that this is not intended to be a "gotcha" moment, I am baffled about how (some) trans women view GNC men and enbies and am hoping for some enlightenment.  Also note that every time I use the word "joke" in this post, assume it is in paranthesis, because I don't think any of it is actually a joke.

You say you were making a joke implying that a GNC man is actually a trans woman and either doesn't know it or is just claiming to be GNC to fuck with people.

How would you feel about a joke implying that a trans woman is actually a femboy / drag queen and either doesn't know it or is just pretending to be trans to fuck with people?

It's exactly the same joke, except one targets GNC men and the other targets trans women.

Do you think the joke about trans women actually being drag queens is okay?  If not, why is a joke about GNC men okay?

You see, trans used to encompass both trans women and GNC men, and I'm trying to figure out why that changed.  Any insight you can provide is greatly appreciated.

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u/LustBunnOfForests 7d ago

You say you were making a joke implying that a GNC man is actually a trans woman and either doesn't know it or is just claiming to be GNC to fuck with people.

Forgive me for apparently being illiterate, but where the hell did I say that? I do not know why you are fixated on the idea I think Shen's gender is one way or another. I don't know, no one does. That is the joke I was making.

I was making a joke about how gender-queerness, regardless of what your gender ends up as, has moments that are virtually indistinguishable between "I know my gender, but I'm not saying shit and keeping people guessing for fun" and " 'This is totally a thought everyone has had, right?' - person saying very gender-queer thing unknowingly". That's the joke I was making. I do not know how that's such a foreign joke that I needed to spell it out, and I fundamentally do not understand why people are being so aggro over inventing a sentence I did not say to be mad at instead of just reading the words I wrote,

trans used to encompass both trans women and GNC men, and I'm trying to figure out why that changed. 

I genuinely don't know. I know people who are non-binary who use trans as a label for themselves, I know people who are non-binary who hate that idea. I'm not a wizard. Other than "Gender-queer" I did my best to avoid using labels and terms for other people because I don't know.

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u/Trick_Yard_4609 7d ago

don't bother, this person was also yelling at me while refusing to read anything i was saying too. i think they just assume anyone not enthusiastically agreeing with them 24/7 is some basement-dwelling caricature of a 4tran user they have to epically own to defend GNC cis men