r/PoursTea • • 15h ago

PoliticalTea 🗳️ Bernie tried

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u/Roll-Roll-Roll 13h ago

Defeatist bs. This is a 2 party system. You pick the party that's going to get you closest to where you want to be, and try to get them to improve. Anything else is just aiding the opposition.

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u/bssprfnd 9h ago

“That’s defeatist! You have to take what they give you because nothing will ever change” lol great work dumbfuck

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u/kessence07 12h ago

Ouuu you a mad hoe mad hoe 😂😭😂😭😂

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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 11h ago

No, actually, I'm not obligated to do that at all, and what you're describing is an obscene twisting of democracy.

Nobody owes their vote to any candidate or any party, and it's the candidates' and parties' jobs to appeal to the voter and earn their vote.

A vote is a choice.

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u/monkeyamongmen 10h ago

I like this analogy: politics is like a bus, you pick the one that's going to get you closest to where you want to be. Your problem in the US is you only have two buses, and one of them wants to drive straight off a cliff. If you don't want to take the drive off the cliff bus, your only choice is to punch your ticket for the other bus. Not punching that ticket is sending the message that you're actually alright with driving off the cliff.

If you want to send a message to the Democratic Party, you have to actually get involved. Not voting just makes driving off the proverbial cliff more likely. Case in point, the last two years.

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u/NoMakeSenseOk 10h ago

If Democrats started winning every election, you'd quickly see a split within the Democrat party further to the left. You'd see the Republican party go up in flames.

I don't know how you can deny that logic.

Always vote Democrat. There's no excuse not to.

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u/WarbleDarble 7h ago

Withholding your vote accomplishes nothing and causes harm.

You don't care though, your personal virtue signaling is more important than lives.

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u/Vegaprime 13h ago

He's not even a democrat. Are we mad about the lack of democrat backing to Jill stein as well?

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u/Roll-Roll-Roll 13h ago

He identifies as a Democratic socialist and votes along those lines. There are more actual Democratic congresspeople adopting that stance all the time. You're not going to see change if you don't get on board with making change. Stop making up reasons to be regressive.

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u/plsletmestayincanada 13h ago

The BS is a two party system that clearly doesn't fit the non binary nature of the problems that governance needs to solve

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u/Roll-Roll-Roll 12h ago edited 12h ago

It's the system we've got. Fantasizing about a third party only weakens Democratic voting power. The GOP is fully entrenched and taking all their orders from the top, so a third party only serves to divide the left. Save your idealism and take a serious look at what you can do to make change.

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u/Impressive-Dish4408 12h ago

Ranked voting fixes this. Which is why both parties hate the very notion

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u/Roll-Roll-Roll 12h ago

Not if people refuse to vote, like some of these idiots. And the fact is that we don't have ranked voting, so you have to work within the system you have until you have the power to make that change. It's super discouraging to see all these commentators just whining over things not being perfect and giving up. You'll never get what you want that way.

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u/DevilsBelly 7h ago

Yeah I truly believe if everyone voted, a republican would never see office again.

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u/kessence07 11h ago

If you’re stupid enough to keep voting when it’s been proven time after time that people’s votes don’t mean shit and that votes can be manipulated. And dumb enough to choose sides when both side sides are evil and have evil in them is crazy. I’ll stay independent thank you.

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u/SlyBuggy1337 10h ago

Peak irony that a both sides person calls anyone stupid

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u/kessence07 13h ago

Who cares… both parties suck tremendously why pick bullshit from either