r/PoursTea • • 15h ago

PoliticalTea 🗳️ Bernie tried

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u/Ok_Satisfaction3460 15h ago

He's alway caucuses with the dems and he was running for their nomination. They let him run because they never expected him to actually be a contender for the nomination. 

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u/youshallknowus 14h ago

he wasnt ever a contender for the nomination. he was never close to winning in either election,. because he doesn't understand how to build a coalition that exceeds about 30% of the primary electorate.

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u/GapPrestigious6414 14h ago

This is revisionism. Bernie was literally the front runner for the first part of the 2020 primary. Indisputably (meaning you're just not worth responding to if you ignore this fact) Clyburn saved Biden's campaign. Bernie was actually winning younger black voters prior to Clyburn's endorsement. This is the reason Clyburn jumped in. Bernie was on track to either win SC or get close enough that it would kill enthusiasm in Biden entirely. After Clyburns endorsement, black voters in SC strengthened behind Biden again, leading to virtually every other person in the race to drop out and back Biden when the entire party was explicitly freaking out about Bernie winning.

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u/youshallknowus 10h ago

It is not revisionism. You're just trying to claim that it was a Clyburn-led conspiracy that got other candidates' voters to *not* vote for Bernie, rather than Bernie just not being as popular as you think. He was indeed the front runner in a 9-12 person field, which was impressive since it already included Biden. But Bernie did not ever come close to commanding a majority of support from primary voters. This is because he does not really attempt to persuade and is bad at talking to people who do not agree with him. So his support in 2020, even with name recognition and a massive cash advantage, was capped in the low 30s. among democrats. When the rest of the field bowed out, those voters didn't go to Bernie. Not even Warren's. Jim Clyburn didn't do that and its insane to suggest that he has that level of power over millions of people. Voters actively chose not to follow Bernie. They could have and they didn't. It's incredibly weak to blame anybody but Bernie for that. As the choices narrowed, Bernie's support should have surged - instead it stayed the same. His supporters harassed and antagonized people online to the extent that when Warren dropped out, he didn't get her support. They went to BIDEN, who they ideologically aligned with LESS. Because Bernie and his vibe were just so toxic. Biden did not parachute into the election at the last minute to steal it from Bernie. That would have fit your narrative of conspiracy - if the Dems fielded a surprise high-profile candidate at the last minute to keep Bernie from running away with it. But that's not what happened. Biden was there the whole time. Bernie failed to persuade voters to come to him as their first choices dropped out, and that is why he lost.

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u/xslurmzmckenzie 14h ago

Bernie would've won

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u/lake_bird 14h ago

lazy. The DNC didn't want to lose their corporate money. He had the people's vote.

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u/buffystakeded 8h ago

He had some people’s votes, but definitely not the majority

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u/meatyvagin 12h ago

I like Bernie but he got less votes than Hilary in the primary.

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u/youshallknowus 10h ago

except in terms of actual votes.

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u/no_kids-and-3_money 7h ago

Because states like South Carolina that were never going to vote democrat anyway got to be the deciding voice and by the time I got the opportunity to vote in a primary in a state nearly 2:1 democrats the primary had already been long decided.

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u/WarbleDarble 7h ago

Except for when we counted the votes, he had fewer.

You know this is publicly available information, right?

Someday you people will give this bullshit up, it's been ten years and yet here you are lying.

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u/demagogueffxiv 11h ago

He was polling higher against Trump than Hillary was

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u/SyzygyPidgey 14h ago

Okay, but he isn't a member of the party.

It's incorrect to say his party is against him. He's not a member. He can change that at any time but doesn't. That's on him.

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u/Ok_Satisfaction3460 14h ago

It's the people he consistently works with on everything. Even if someone isn't a member of the family  if they are always at the BBQ it's kinda weird to be stabbing them in the back all the time.

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u/SyzygyPidgey 14h ago

Interesting fiction.

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u/xslurmzmckenzie 14h ago

Not very bright, huh?

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u/no_kids-and-3_money 7h ago

Caucusing with the party means he joins the party’s private meetings, receives committee assignments from the party and helps establish the party’s legislative agenda.

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u/PalpitationMoist1212 13h ago

You dont understand politics, its ok

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u/JohninMichigan55 7h ago

Actually he changes it when he runs for president the back to independent os whatever after he loses