r/PeacemakerShow • u/peacemaker_9353 • Oct 03 '25
DISCUSSION He did nothing wrong Spoiler
Vigilante did absolutely nothing wrong. 1. He was told he was in a nazi world. 2. Keith literally led A Charge to kill Adebayo 3. Auggie stabbed and tied up Economos, 4. Let's be real the only reason they let Vigilante come was for him to fight for and protect those two
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u/hoslayer42 Oct 03 '25
I agree Vig saved his BFF.
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u/nightman87 Oct 03 '25
But will Chris want to stay BFFs since he killed his good dad and resent him?
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u/General_Kick688 Oct 03 '25
He blames himself, not Adrian.
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u/misterflerfy Oct 03 '25
for now
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u/ajmartin527 Oct 03 '25
Chris did the same exact thing to Harcourt so he should understand better than anyone
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u/WuffieRose Oct 03 '25
I neither know which Vig did the deed, nor which one actually came back to our Eearth for that matter
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u/LadderFinancial8038 Oct 03 '25
Plus, out of anyone in the nazi dimension for vigilante (or anyone really) to believe is a nazi, auggie would definitely be it.
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u/FinamationStudios Oct 03 '25
Yeah I was honestly surprised. Auggie seemed like a pretty ok dude… as far as a guy in a nazi universe can be
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u/BuilderKindly3658 Oct 03 '25
The same justification could be made for Peacemaker killing the Sons of Liberty. For all Chris knew they were a terrorist organization and he was protecting innocent civilians by killing them. Turns out they were the good guys and Chris protected a bunch of Nazis.
I love Vigilante but indiscriminate murder is wrong. You can’t just go around killing everyone, even if you are in a Nazi dimension. That being said…
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u/lkodl Oct 03 '25
You can’t just go around killing everyone, even if you are in a Nazi dimension. That being said…
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u/Lunchboxninja1 Oct 03 '25
Judomaster was pretty discriminate actually. He only killed people who were trying to lynch his friend.
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u/lkodl Oct 03 '25
They weren't friends yet. As he said, he simply killed them/helped her because it was an unfair fight (and presumably because they're Nazis. And maybe to get info? He was there to get info on them afterall)
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u/sonheungwin Oct 03 '25
No, he explicitly said she was basically his only way out of that stupid Nazi dimension. He killed them because it would save himself. Which is entirely fine in the context that if he doesn't kill them, he likely ends up in a concentration camp.
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u/Quinn_Maeve Oct 03 '25
Exactly what i was thinking! Peacemaker killed them with a smile on his face. Without knowing what SoL really is!
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u/Optimal_Carpenter690 Oct 03 '25
Peacemaker wouldn't be in the wrong for that either, in my opinion. The moral goodness of a person's actions isn't dependent on the net universal good that results from those actions, but is instead dependent on the individuals perception (within reason, obviously) of their actions.
Peacemaker believed he was saving innocent civilians from terrorists intent on blowing everything and everyone up. You can't factor in that the "everything and everyone" in this scenario are actually all literal Nazis, because Peacemaker didn't have an inkling that this could even be possible, and it is not irrational or unreasonable for him not to know
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u/peacemaker_9353 Oct 03 '25
Holy shit, I didn't even think of that
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u/digitchecker Oct 03 '25
I think this is how Chris will change at the end. He will realize he can’t kill anymore
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u/Fluid-Jaguar-1743 Oct 03 '25
I think it’ll be better if he becomes more discriminate about who he kills instead of just not killing anymore
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u/kazuya57 Oct 03 '25
I mean he goes "What's wrong with us" I absolutely know he's gonna adopt Batman's rule
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u/Jemima_puddledook678 Oct 03 '25
But then was Peacemaker inherently wrong to stop the bomb threat without asking the terrorists what their ideologies were? If he had stopped or slowed down in any way the bomb would’ve went off and many people would’ve died, people that aren’t necessarily worth less simply because they aren’t actively and openly fighting the system and were raised in a bad world.
Is jumping in to save lives without checking what either side believes not potentially better than waiting until one side kills the other and then asking questions?
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u/ali94127 Oct 03 '25
Blue Dragon was in his power armor though and is extremely dangerous. Not sure Adrian could've reasonably subdued him non-lethally if he were a threat.
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u/Limp-Construction-11 Oct 03 '25
As Gunn said, those people are fighting for a good cause, but they are still fucking terrorists blowing folks up, yes innocent ones too.
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u/Temporary-Rice-8847 Oct 03 '25
For all Chris knew they were a terrorist organization and he was protecting innocent civilians by killing them. Turns out they were the good guys and Chris protected a bunch of Nazis.
I mean, that speaks how easy is for Chris to fall under the nazis
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u/SpookyBLAQ Oct 03 '25
Shit, I thought it was earth x vig that jumped in all stabby like. The moment Auggie started his speech in front of a window, I knew he was gonna die though
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u/Less_Filling Oct 03 '25
All this talk of if it was right or wrong, and all of us are missing the absolute bad-ass, self-sacrifical move Earth-2 Vig made by kicking shit that door.
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Oct 03 '25
Made me emotional 😭
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u/Less_Filling Oct 04 '25
Right. Dude is definitely about to die, and he still had the situational awareness to save the 11th Street Kids.
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u/Single-Ad-9137 Oct 03 '25
In his defense yeah he didn’t but honestly it’s still heartbreaking
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u/APunnyThing Oct 03 '25
My feelings are even if it was Prime Vigilante and not Earth X Vigilante that shanked Auggie, he was right to do so with everything he knew about the world and what was happening through that window
More over even if Earth X Auggie was a “good person” he was still a member of the “Top Trio” a beloved group of “heroes” in Nazi America so there’s no telling what kind of actions they have taken to be that revered
So yeah, Earth X Auggie may have genuinely loved his sons and might not have been as overtly racist as Prime Auggie but at the very least he was a collaborator to the Nazi form of government and certainly wasn’t helping the Sons of Liberty to overthrow it
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u/CrashRiot Oct 03 '25
He said in the monologue that he’s not capable of taking down a Nazi regime, so he only went after murderers and tried to do the little bit of good he was capable of doing. I got the vibe from that monologue that he would never do anything so egregious as actually participate in any of the Nazi crimes against humanity. He lived in a fucked up world, so he tried to do what he could to make it just a little bit better.
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u/Optimal_Carpenter690 Oct 03 '25
He was the inverse (I think, I can never get inverse vs opposite right) of Earth 1 Auggie. The same way Nazi Auggie never tried to overtly usurp the government and install a Nazi regime, despite having a superpowered suit of armor, good Auggie never trued to usurp the government and depose a Nazi regime, despite having a superpowered suit of armor
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u/SolidPrysm Douchey Captain America 🇺🇸 Oct 03 '25
Yeah, I think a lot of characteristics about Earth-X Augie can be inferred by inverting the characteristics of the Earth-1 one, including the political alignment of his sons.
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u/Logic-DL Oct 03 '25
Also tbf to Earth X Auggie, when the entire planet is Nazi ruled. How the fuck are you supposed to take that on?
The Sons of Liberty are fighting American Nazi's sure, but they're effectively going to war with the ENTIRE planet without even being sure that many the world over will hear about their efforts or sympathise with them. And it's clearly a world where the Top Trio are one of the few groups capable of killing Kaiju and metahuman threats etc. So Auggie X is entirely fair to focus on the threats that'll kill countless innocents over going to war with the entire planet.
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u/MobileSuitBooty Oct 03 '25
Humans by nature desire to be free. There will always be a resistance. Facism always turns inwards because there must always be a crisis to solving it a new enemy to hate. People will eventually see the contradictions of that society.
My point is his resignation that he can’t do anything to change it still upholds that society and he definitely has more power than the average man not just in arms but he’s a literal hero.
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u/Lylyo_Nyshae Oct 03 '25
His monologue made it pretty clear imo that he was meant to be a statement about the superheros on regular Earth not using their power for societal change. Like if a regular dude with a suit of power armor is responsible for not fighting a worldwide nazi regime, then what does that say about heros like Superman on regular Earth who would have a much easier time doing things like stopping the war in Gaza?
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u/Logic-DL Oct 03 '25
Tbf in Superman, Superman does stop Boravia's invasion, and then later the Justice Gang does the same thing.
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u/Lunchboxninja1 Oct 03 '25
Well that doesnt really work cuz DCU Clark DOES stop the war in Gaza lol. But you're right about it being a good statement generally
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u/Tiny_Butterscotch_76 Oct 03 '25
We haven't gotten a ton of details of what Auggie did or tried to do back when he was the White Dragon.
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u/ReasonGlass5246 Oct 03 '25
No, the Sons of Liberty could actually have used his help. VigilanteX would have known him. He would have lived if he had actually fought back instead of giving up.
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u/inspector-say10 Oct 03 '25
that’s my point too. like yeah he might’ve been a good-ish guy but his reason for not joining the “resistance” (SOL) could’ve been a fugitive and uncomfortable life so instead he chose to be a hero to fight crime but that doesn’t change the fact that he is a hero to Nazis.
like if i was him i would’ve chosen to be with the SOL rather than hide my true intentions and fight crime to clear my conscience of not actively fighting the Nazi regime.
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u/Hugs_Niceman Oct 03 '25
He was participating by the sole fact of being an enforcer for that regime.
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u/3uphoric-Departure Oct 03 '25
I don’t think he was a enforcer of the regime, but he was an enforcer of the status quo. A small but meaningful difference.
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u/Jabba612 Oct 03 '25
A lot of people stand quiet as injustice happens right in front of them everyday in the real world
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Oct 03 '25
This is my take too. And Vij , both versions, is by contrast someone who does go out of his way to fuck with bigots. So I think by killing Auggie after that speech, it was almost like this show was saying its not enough to sit idly by while bad things are happening and not challenge the systems of oppression. Especially considering the amount of money and status AltAuggie had.
I dont think this Auggie was evil or hateful but he certainly wasn't challenging the Nazi status quo.
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u/TheBossman40k Oct 03 '25
There is certainly nuance to that matter. But I don't think that is what the show was trying to convey. They had heroic music playing as he was making his speech; this is not played for laughs or mockery. And then Chris looks distraught when he is killed saying "I don't think he was a nazi". And that's the end of it. If there was a point to be made about fencesitting we would have gotten some sort of narrative payoff - but all that we saw was a murder and that's it.
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Oct 03 '25
I think it's still sad because Auggie isnt a monster in the alternate world, and Chris realizes that right before he gets killed. They could have had a real father/son relationship. But yeah, that's just my personal take. "Fencesitting" is exactly the word I was missing. I think being not-racist, in private, wasnt enough for Auggie to be doing. That's why he was mistaken for a Nazi by both Vigilantes. And Alt-Vij seems way less trigger-happy than the main one, i.e., he says that doing graffiti and being a Nazi are not the same thing. He even seems shocked that his counterpart would be doing that.
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u/plinthpeak Oct 03 '25
We still have the last episode. It’s a common trope in comics that the villain is good in the alternative universe. We might see Keith going through documents and realise his father’s secret connections to sons of liberty, making him more confused and having memories of him defending PoC privately.
More likely though, he was complicit and was in denial about his contribution (much like all of us when bad things happen and we support it with our apathy). We’re probably done either way with the Nazi world, except Keith. I’m sure he wants revenge.
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u/AdmirableResearch357 Oct 03 '25
It was pretty clearly laid out in his monologue that Auggie is disgusted by the Nazi shit and sticks to fighting giant monsters and such, but Keith is obviously down with it.
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u/Oathkindle Oct 03 '25
Yea even in the podcast episode Gunn says Keith is a white supremacist piece of shit super villain lol
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u/inspector-say10 Oct 03 '25
yeah that explains why Keith looked almost ready to take his own dad out in order to kill/fight Chris. when Auggie was questioning Chris and Harcourt Keith looked like he couldn’t recognize Auggie probably because Keith bought into the Nazi regime and thought his dad and brother were a part of it too. i dont think Auggie ever explicitly taught his sons to not be Nazis.
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u/Oathkindle Oct 03 '25
Yea I think it helps the mirror of the two trios. Our auggie was a piece of shit and got one son killed and the other turned out better (not good) than auggie wanted. Their auggie was not quite the same piece of shit and and still lost a son and the other turned out worse than he wanted
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u/Roach606 Oct 03 '25
I mean I said today he might “try to do good” but how many jojo rabbits did he inspire as a “hero.”
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u/TheOldThunder Oct 03 '25
This is the thing about acting on impulse: you can always end up royally fucking everything and everyone up.
Gunn's DCU has a very firm grasp in what it means to BE a hero and to try and ACT like a hero, and the clear difference between both. It adds layers to this universe and its characters.
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u/inspector-say10 Oct 03 '25
i don’t think either version of Vigilante tries to act like a hero. he’s just a psychopath with access to weapons and he acts on his beliefs. to him a person hiring prostitutes is probably the same as a Nazi so he has no problem killing either one. that’s not something a wannabe hero does because they either don’t kill or they have a higher bar of evil where they have no problem killing.
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u/TheOldThunder Oct 03 '25
(He did say to the crew thar he has to make shit up for his mom when he's "out doing superhero stuff", tho, didn't he?)
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u/reasonablykind Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
Are we talking morally or legally? Because morally he assessed things logically enough (within his capacities) while acting a bit too impulsively. It’s a Nazi world in which the Smiths maintain a cover of compliance that Bizarro Vig doesn’t know about, and that “our” Vig knows is HIS Auggie’s wet dream — deducing threat to life upon seeing his gang bloodied in Auggie’s house where one’s tied up makes sense (the force used was just excessive).
Legally (based on our own world), manslaughter probably applies here due to said excessive force + intent; he meant to stop a threat (could have without killing it), but didn’t accurately assess it.
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u/Dadecum Oct 03 '25
i dont think anything vigilante has ever done has been legal.
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u/sarcastic1stlanguage Oct 03 '25
Yup, both Vigilantes were disappointed when originally told "no killing cops" lol.
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u/Hrushing97 Oct 03 '25
That’s what makes it good tv. Everything people did made sense but it’s still tragic
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u/Rick_Napalm Oct 03 '25
Yeah, according to the info he had there was no way that letting a dangerous man in a super techsuit lose the disadvantage of surprise.
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u/lkodl Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
The key here is that Augie-2 is a non-Nazi living in a Nazi world. He's living in hell. The whole speech about being judged by God as his motvation for being a superhero is basically signaling that he wants out. And he dies doing the moral thing. (If you accept that there is no future for him and Chris-1 regardless since interdimensional stuff is too risky). So in a way, Vigilante just gave Augie-2 an early out. As brutal as it was.
The real consequnce is creating a villain in Keith. Vigilante robbed Keith of Augie-2.
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u/sfr202x Oct 03 '25
It was clear blue dragon was keeping his sons in line to his ideals as much as possible with peacemaker being the more rebellious one, that’s probably why they all lived together to begin with. I honestly feel very bad about Keith, he really lost everything this episode.
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u/EmperorPeriwinkle Oct 03 '25
- Vigilante did nothing wrong.
- If you're sitting in the western world saying blue dragon deserved it, your ass almost certainly deserves it too.
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u/sfr202x Oct 03 '25
Yeah people talking here like they fighting trump and or ICE all day. They just talk shit on the internet, even someone with a power suit would lost to an army, there’s very little he can do about it. Blue dragon was as good as he could, and also being a terrorist and joining the sons of liberty is not the answer, terrorist always target innocents.
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u/Thehusseler Oct 03 '25
To be fair this does assume things about people. There are people out there fighting the regime, organizing against ICE raids, etc. Many of those also use the internet.
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u/TheawfulDynne Oct 03 '25
Unless they are posting from prison or the afterlife none of them are doing the real life equivalent of what they are treating as the bare minimum for Auggie X. The RL potential targets arent secret and weapons arent hard to get. Hell even jet packs are a real thing. The guy who took a shot at the deplorable in chief wasn’t some super soldier with high tech energy blasters and Tibetan monk training.
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u/Pickle_Nipplesss Oct 03 '25
Eh… 2 and 3 are weak points because Vigilante didn’t know Auggie was the one to tie up Economos and as you pointed out, Keith led the charge on Adebayo, not Auggie.
Vigilante doesn’t think things through, this was pointing that out. People rush and make bad decisions in the heat of the moment.
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u/Echoing_Screams Oct 03 '25
Based on this thread, Auggie2 is just a nazi because he didnt fight an entire worlds worth of fascist regime by himself. So, how many of you have physically fought ICE to stop them kidnapping people? How many of you are breaking into these facilities to protect innocent people? How many of you are joining rebel groups now that the big orange man is openly declaring war on American cities? You want to sit and judge, while taking the same actions you'll crucify others for.
Was he perfect? No. But he atleast tried to raise two good sons and protect them from the world. He at the very least cared about his family.
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u/sfr202x Oct 03 '25
I have to free with this, plus even with a power suit he would just lose to an army if he began doing this, plus helping the sons of liberty who target innocent people is also not a good thing to do regardless.
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u/Logic-DL Oct 03 '25
Also him dying puts innocents at risk. As far as we know, the Top Trio are the ONLY superheroes capable of killing Kaiju.
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u/VorpalSplade Oct 03 '25
As far as we know sure but - would you bet any money at all that James Gunn would make a nazi universe with only the top trio in it?
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u/DankudeDabstorm Oct 03 '25
I mean, he might have to stop murdering people on sight with no qualms. We already have Peacemaker trying to do better and not be a bona-fide ruthless murderer-assassin-merc and Vigilante’s an even worse version as he thoroughly enjoys killing people he deems bad, people just let it slide because he’s goofy and funny. I feel like this event is kind of commentary on how people treat each other irl. By all means we were lead to believing that Auggie-2 was a heinous person, but he turned out to be the opposite, and thus Adrian trusted his assumptions and killed first, asking questions later.
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u/Miguel3403 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
I don’t get people saying alt Auggie should have helped the sons of liberty they were shown to be more than incompetent and not capable of anything more than trying to blow up random buildings. Maybe he could kill the governor of America and then evil Superman gets called up and throws him in outer space because if it’s Earth X the Superman there is not very nice. And if it’s really Earth X and it’s the whole world there’s zero chance he could do anything but blow up random stuff and kill a few people
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u/Raida-777 Oct 03 '25
Agreed, people have been accusing Alt Auggie for being a Nazi for weeks. And they are upset when Vig kills him immediately after seeing John tied up?
Gunn also said Vig only loves Peacemaker and John so what do you expect him to act like?
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u/Aldo-D-D-Wilson Oct 03 '25
Yes, he did something wrong.
He made the same mistake that Peacemaker did in episode 3, that the whole squad did in TSS.
And in this episode we got Peacemaker pointing out how absurd is the way they act.
The whole thing is around Peacemaker learning that you can't act like that.
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u/TheOtherPeanut17 Oct 03 '25
I’m mad at Vig but you can’t argue that from his perspective he was justified in his actions
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u/sfr202x Oct 03 '25
Yeah not only the information he had from earth x but also the information he has from earth 1 white dragon, it’s very understandable to do what he did, just dispose of the biggest threat the fastest.
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u/mavrik1984 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
I loved this episode but in the end, auggie and kieth didn't deserve this... I was pissed off bc these were the people our Chris should've been with. A real caring thoughtful family... They were just brought up in a bad world. All of you saying the trio are collaborators? Well they're a trio Against an entire nation that has overman as their iron fist.. Plus Keith as much as his father tried to teach him from right and wrong.. He did lead the mob chasing down ads which you saw clearly auggie was upset about when he said "I thought you boys better than that!" kieth clearly is more of a collaborator of this world than his father. Clearly didn't entirely share his father's views but did so anyway out of loyalty, love and respect for auggie, but not without his brother and especially his father... That is not the last we will see of him, and probably not alone... As usual.. Vig just turned a bad situation to worse.. For all we know, auggie could've been helping the sons of liberty or potentially have started it like our auggie was a neo nazi and was leader of his own terrorist cell as the white dragon. Just really sucks to see how this auggie went.. And poor peacemaker watching his father being taken away again and once again it's bc of him... Our man can never catch a break 😔
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u/nosarcasmforyou Oct 03 '25
Well, that's who Vigilante is. I think it's easy to get caught up in his goofy and sweet he can be, but the show at no point has made it a secret that he's a psychopath/sociopath who genuinely enjoys killing and whose justifications to kill are, at best, vaguely rooted in "justice."
I mean, we're talking about a man who in season 1 laughingly mentions that he finds satisfaction in choking someone to death, who obiously sees killing innocent people as an oopsie, who's perfectly willing to kill someone over graffiti, who's wanted on multiple counts of murder and referred to by everyone as a maniac (including people who know him like Chris). Hell, remember the vet clinic people? They had to talk him out of killing them. Sure, after that his weirdly sweet side emerged and he doesn't want to tape them so their skin isn't hurt, but again, his first instinct was to kill them.
This season we've had less of him overall, but regular people don't go chopping up their best friends alternate selves with so much enthusiasm, and remember the conversation he overheard where Adebayo accidentally set up a prostitution jig? Remember his line? "Don't worry, I never kill prostitutes, only Johns."
Ignoring the fact that killing John's is also an absurd overescalation and more evidence that he's just fucking nuts, he didn't say "I'd never kill you." he went for the "I don't kill prostitutes." and that right there is a pretty big difference.
Hell, that brings back season 1 too where after tag teaming Amber with Chris he angrily complains that if weed hadn't been legalized he would've killed them for smoking in front of him.
Vigilante has always been a happy murder gremlin who's always always going to opt for the kill unless he genuinely doesn't want to do it or can't justify it with whatever the fuck his "code" might be that day, because even that is all over the place.
Of course he was going to immediately kill Auggie, no questions asked. Not only is it perfectly in character but he also had absolutely no information to let him know that maybe, just maybe, things weren't what he thought.
In his world, Red Dragon is a POS who despises Chris and makes him suffer. Adrian never understood why Chris didn't just kill his father. It was the logical thing to do.
His alt self, who also pointed out that killing people over graffiti isn't the same as killing nazis mind you, told him about the fucked up world and didn't appear to know (or care) that Blue Dragon was a good guy.
From the outside looking in, and unable to hear what was going on inside, Economos was tied up, Harkour and Chris are banged up and the situation looks pretty damn tense because they're being held up by who Adrian believes are bad guys.
I genuinely struggle to imagine any other action Adrian could've taken other than murder. Obviously it wasn't the best one, but it's what he does.
Water is wet, Adrian kills people, even innocent people sometimes, because that's just what he does. Hell, it wasn't even the first time he stabbed Chris's dad in the neck. 🤷🏻♀️
Him being a cutie patootie doesn't change that he's a dangerous murderous maniac. It's who he's been all along and the show never ever hid that. It's just this is the first time he killed the wrong person in front of the audience, but it's literally said he does it all the time.
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u/Elensar265 Oct 03 '25
Pretty sure that was the point, in the prior scene we were shown Auggie as being potentially a decent person in a world his counterpart would've revelled in
Chris seeing that then had it ripped away from him, thus taking away any possible healthy relationship hey may have had with his "father"
Vigalinte was justified in what he did but it served as a plot device to further traumatise a Chris who was on a path to self healing and acceptance that his family were evil
Now he's probably gonna have to kill his brother all over again but this time actually mean it
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u/Shoelace1200 Oct 03 '25
The show clearly portrays it as wrong.
I'm surprised so many DC fans are so comfortable with indiscriminate killing. This universe has Batman and Superman.
As much as I love characters like Vigilante, it doesn't make murdering someone you know nothing about okay.
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u/DrScienceSpaceCat Oct 03 '25
To be honest I don't think August deserved to die, he was clearly not a Nazi and seemed to have the mindset of "I can't fix the injustice of the world but I can still do good," as for stabbing Economos the dude literally broke into his house so he had some right to be alarmed.
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u/The-Best-Color-Green Oct 03 '25
He did nothing wrong I just kinda dislike the misunderstanding trope
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u/WildSinatra Oct 03 '25
I’m more annoyed at the leap from “Let’s at least try to sneak in” from Adebayo to Vig suddenly bursting through the window. Just felt like needless shock value.
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u/sfr202x Oct 03 '25
I mean, if you saw a blue dragon in suit, your friends with blood and John tied you would try to act too as fast as possible, for all he knew they were in danger.
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u/papesz7 Oct 03 '25
Vig2 most defo briefed Vig1 further , after saying nazis won, peacemaker and top trio are bad nazi heroes. How would have Vig known Auggie wasnt a nazi secretly.
People who started to dislike him NOW for this, why didnt you dislike him for not questioning his previous killings or actions? He didnt change, this was him since the beginning
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u/RedLion191216 Oct 03 '25
Wait... Which Vigilante killed him ?
I assumed it was earth X's vigilante
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u/lfg_guy101010 Oct 03 '25
No judgment intended from this comment at all, but it's INSANE how Gunn was able to make the twist within the twist work enough to bring up this much discussion about the difference between good and bad within a moral vs immoral society.
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u/Impatient-Turtle Oct 04 '25
Vig could set fire to an orphanage and I'd find a way to defend it. I'm all in for that psycho goofball.
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Oct 03 '25
Well, if a Nazi sits at the table... The guy killed a fuckin Kaiju and didn't thought about helping the Sons of Liberty?
Ok.
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u/GorillaWolf2099 Oct 03 '25
Well to be fair regarding point 3 Auggie thought Ecónomos was a criminal intruder and or nazi, who wouldn’t pull out a weapon on someone if they randomly broke into their house
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Oct 03 '25
I feel like the binary comments in responses here kind of sums up the problems that James Gunn is getting at
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u/BuzzyScruggs94 Oct 03 '25
Auggie was a klan leader in the normal world. In Nazi world it’d be a pretty solid bet to assume he’s bad news. The only info you have is what you can see through the window which is that he’s armed and at least one of your friends is tied up and bleeding.
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u/Glad-Description6098 Oct 03 '25
Also the only thing he experienced was himself being nearly identical so why would he thing Auggie would be much different that he was
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u/_Sawssan Douchey Captain America 🇺🇸 Oct 03 '25
Knowing how Og Auggie Smith was and the info he had. He probably assumed that a Nazi Auggie was wayyyy worth than the first one too
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u/brevenbreven Oct 03 '25
Fuck Alt Auggie Glazers 1. He wanted his kids to be better but both of his sons work with Gov Argus agency rather than pardon the pun being a vigilante. 2. He fought Monsters and Madmen. You can be a Badguy by fighting to preserve the status quo of a nation of slavers 3. The first time he kills on screen its for his own benefit and security.
Man was Neo liberal as fuck "I wish there weren't nazis but i'm not going to oppose anything they do"
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u/Pleasebecoolbro Oct 03 '25
I want to also push back on the people saying alt Augie was a “good guy.” He may have had some redeeming qualities on the surface, but he’s totally complicit in the Nazi society he lives in. We saw him and Keith completely destroy several armed cops, but we’re supposed to believe he felt helpless to fight back against the Nazi ideology that he claims to not agree with? He’s just one of those people who feels good about not being personally racist while not holding all the racist people around him accountable. There’s that saying about if you’re at a table with 9 people and 1 Nazi, you’re actually at a table with 10 nazis (or something like that). Point is, I don’t think he was a good guy, and I call bullshit on his little speech. Vigilante didn’t do anything wrong 🤷🏾♀️
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u/ProtectMyExcalibur Oct 03 '25
Totally agree, honestly without any info it’s 100% acceptable to believe that they’re not planning to let them leave with their lives. Also both of them are wearing hi-tech suit of weaponry on their body, a sneak attack was necessary to even the odds, but who would expect that Auggie is not a N and willing to let them go.
Also Auggie killed like a dozen police officers minutes before, not saying Vigilante would know that.
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Oct 03 '25
Charging in head first and killing blue dragon was not a level headed and well assessed thing to do
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u/No_Armadillo_3093 Oct 03 '25
- Altggie not being a nazi ≠ he is a good person. He still profited from and upheld the nazi regime and as far as we know did nothing good.
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Oct 03 '25
VIGILANTE IS THE BEST TV/STREAMING CHARACTER OF THE LAST 5 YEARS and I will die on that hill, he took a decision with the information he had he knew his father on their reality was a dangerous man so he did the correct thing.
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u/Asol115 Oct 04 '25
I always love when people go "But yeah he could do something" when they ABSOLUTELY wouldnt in the exact same situation.
Hell most people wont even step out to stop someone being beat tf up in public anymore.
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u/Tight_Strawberry9846 Oct 04 '25
Vigilante had no idea Auggie wasn't a nazi, and our Vigilante comes from a world where his Auggie was a white supremacist. They both fucked up but meant well.
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u/iamahandsoapmain Oct 04 '25
Yeah from vigs perspective, he saw his friend being tied up and his other two friends bloody. Plus he's in a Nazi world, and as far as he's concerned, auggie would be racist numero uno
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u/Dpepps Oct 03 '25
Yeah working with the info he had, it was totally justified. Just a sad and fucked up situation.