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Is there any one thing which will make you hate the series if it happens?
Mine is Luffy dying / getting executed at the end of the series. People think it will happen just because it happened to Roger. It will make me hate the show
The only way I would accept a sequel is if at the end we get Luffy ushering a new age of adventures, then Oda tells people to create their own stories in that world.
Yeah seriously. Pleaaaaase do not make a sequel! I hope Boruto made creators everywhere realize that a sequel to a huge successful series isn’t always good. Let stuff die when it needs to.
If they make one piece from Buggy POV, like the fight in the beginning of the show and how it was intense until the end and how even 2 warlords started following him.
It didn’t/doesn’t seem like Garp was fine with Roger, but he understood. I think that would be the case for Zoro. Especially if all of Luffy’s poison & everything else that he’s done to himself finally catches up to him.
It’s impossible, far past the level of Kanjiro who was already insane. Everyone on the Strawhats has done so much for Luffy when any of them could have killed or jumped ship dozens of times, not to mention how much Luffy has done for them.
That would be pretty stupid. Because Zoro didn't have to say "For my Captain and Best Friend" when none of the Straw Hats or any straw hat associates were around.
I hate what they did to Monster Point. They turned it from his "Ace in the hole, might even hurt my friends but the situation is THAT desperate right now"
Into a
"I'm a big boi now"
It used to be some Eldritch unknown monstrosity that struck fear into friend and foe alike.
A story element that could both save the day, while risking making things a whole lot more dangerous for the rest of the crew if timed incorrectly.
Shifting Chopper into a fighter that had a true Berserker mode compared to the other members.
And ontop of that they're gonna keep his monster point that way and never give us any new points and that's gonna frustrate me a little lmao
They should have made him continue to be horrifying but controllable. Sort of like a Hulk situation where he’s not gonna kill people he knows but still isn’t Banner. I mean that’s literally what they did, that form is practically Professor Hulk from Endgame.
Admirals being fodderized. I wanna see Fuji, Greenbull, Akainu, even Kizaru being pushed to their absolute limits. I feel like even Kizaru wasn't really trying his hardest against Luffy... I guess it's the portrayal of them going all out is what I need in the final war and they should still be a formidable threat, not some side villain. They used to represent the pinnacle of power and an insurmountable wall pre timeskip and they lost all that aura.
I personally think it could work. The devil fruit possession theory is pretty strong and still hasn’t been put to bed. Not to mention it’s kind of an anime trope for major villains to end up being good boys in the end
I hear that out, the problem is that it would kinda weaken the message against fascism, since it would be blamed on some other worldly force rather than impotent, malicious types seizing a broken system.
There is absolutely no magic (It's all just aliens and microchips or such)
I mean... sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic.
I don't think it's incredibly likely to fully be explained in the pages of the manga, but I absolutely fuck with the theory that the first age was just the re-terraforming of earth after an apocalypse that sent all of the world's sentient civilizations to the various moons this planet used to have.
Like, I'm not in favor of "aliens" as the answer for One Piece, but in Naruto, if we had longer than 3 minutes to prepare for Kaguya being the big bad, her being an alien didn't suddenly invalidate all the fucking magic. It was still straight up alien magic. Likewise, even it the far future post apocalypse theory of One Piece is true, Oda won't be explaining the science to us, because there's no real world science that would cause auto-reincarnating power-bestowing fruits to be generated in the world.
Like for me, "it was just VR" would be the equivalent that would ruin the world for me. It "technically being considered scientific in universe" would be completely fine. Soft sci-fi is just fantasy for an audience that wants to dream of the impossible being possible in real life.
in my case hated the idea of them getting sperated again that's what bothers me on dressrossa I really wanted the see the gang together goin again doffy crew.
Yeah I think #1 would irritate me the most tbh. Seems like the monster trio is main focus of the strawhats nowadays and everyone else just side characters
If one piece follows the Chinese XianXia novels, and after finding the One Piece it's revealed that the world is actually like a lower world level, and there's actually a higher world level that Luffy, after finding the one piece and passing the trial of tribulation, is now qualified to enter.
Blackbeard teaming up with luffy to defeat imu. Blackbeard is the true villain and anti luffy so him siding with luffy would be character assassination on both ends
Ppl really want Luffy to team up with some1 who his brother wanted to hunt down due to a reason Luffy himself wouldn't stand aka "betrayal and manslaughter among crew members"
Not to mention that he too was the one due to which ace reached execution platforms
Even other than that bb and Luffy's values are so opposite that I just can't see them working together or bb getting forgiven enough to team up with Luffy like crocodile /buggy They weren't personal enemies to Luffy They were secondary and he beat them up As for bb ,he has to die or else he won't stop so Luffy beating him up and maybe the wg doing the dirty work but it's where it SHOULD end
Bb may be ok with teaming up with Luffy to kill imu but hell no for Luffy He can't stand Bb's ass Bb betrayed his crew and manslaughtered a nakama Something that's completely opposite to what Luffy values as a pirate He is also freedom but his version of freedom pisses Luffy off , I'm sure
And then cherry on top ,when ace was chasing him down ,it actually led to ace being sent for execution and dying DUE to bb
Bb isn't one of those enemies that SHOULD change sides after Luffy beats him up/crushes his dream imo He's too ambitious to be tied down by defeat He'll find some other scheme to betray again
Not he is the type of person to be trusted or cooperated with before defeating him He ,like wg ,has slaves Is after ancient weapons Has continuously targeted Luffy's family and now will target friends too (wano,Shirahoshi) so yeah it WILL ruin OP for me too
Also pirates backstab all the time They aren't the best of people But Luffy can't prolly stand someone who betrats his own crew As a captain I think he would just feel it right in the feels as to what whitebeard felt "you killed your own brother, teach" Luffy knows ace was caught and ended up executing by chasing someone who broke the taboo rule of betraying and backstabbing own crew
Blackbeard isn't a villain. He may be an antagonist to Luffy but he is not a villain. He has non-evil goals, a moral compass of his own and his character is not built around an evil cause or destruction.
This. If Oda can't properly pay off something he has been setting up for Usopp's character since Little Garden then I don't really have any faith that we will get a satisfying ending to the rest of the series. The things he's done so far with standing up to Imu and giving the speech about Luffy are great, but I need him to do something more as well. Something that actually has an effect on Elbaf. I have high hopes though considering he is currently up there with the heavy hitters against Imu
Absolutely! Elbaph hat to be his time to shine and to proof he's not just dead weight in the new world. It's already hinted by his drunken conversation with Jarul and his attack against Gunko but there has to be more
Its very much already made clear that One piece is something very stupid. I wont be surprised if it is something like the dragon scroll from kung-fu panda.
There was a theory going around howRoger was a hornball for Boa Hancocks mom, and that he kept a souvenir from their liaisons. His treasure is her swimsuit, which wasn't a bikini but... a one piece
If Usopp barely confronts his dad. The deadbeat just left them and didn't even bother to visit when his wife passed. If Usopp doesn't crash out on him, I'm going to riot.
At this point... I kind of think if Jinbe doesn't get CoC haki... Roger had both wings plus Oden with it. Also seems like no Fishman has ever had it. Ussop getting it would ruin it, but Jinbe, he deserves a power up. Luffy's crew needs atleast 4 with it, and honestly Jinbe as the leader of the Fishman resistance for so long deserves the power up.
I don't think luffy will die... if another character dies, its probably Law... as after Ace he is coolest.
Thats good to know, I was dreading the theory he would use the immorality surgery to save luffy... plus i don't think luffy would want to be immortal. It wouldn't be freedom if stuck living forever.
If the story ends without ever really refocusing back on the Straw Hats. I mean ALL the Straw Hats. If by the end it feels like characters like Law, Yamato, Koby, etc., were Oda's priority that would ruin so much of the series for me I don't think I could ever feel like reading it again.
Weaker characters (esp mugiwaras) further losing relevance and playing no role in the final part of the manga. I feel this is happening a bit already in Elbaph and I am not a fan of it
If they do anything to disrupt the golden age of piracy. The climax can be the climax, but if the ending involves the elimination of pirate freedom, similar to pirates of the Caribbean Post the original trilogy, I might despise this franchise
I trust Oda-sensei, but I swear if we only see a war then the crew achieving their dreams in an epilogue style episode aside from luffy. That would kill it for me. I've been rooting for these character for 20 years, make sure their story get the ending they each deserve
Brace yourself. Based on the patterns it is not unlikely. He time and time again put himself on vulnerable situation of long lasting health damage at the cost of power.
Gear 2, Gear 5, repetitive poison (built immunity but could also leave lasting poison damage).
It also fits his dream of being "free". He could achieve freedom while living, succumb to death (which isnt an oppression of freedom, but a natural thing), and then become free in the after life.
Luffys death also brings the Ace, Sabo, Luffy story full circle with Sabo and Luffy reuniting on the living realm while reuniting with Ace in thr after life.
And lastly like you said, thematically makes sense that Luffy and a symbolic successor to Roger faces similar fate. Joyboy hid the treasure, Roger found it but didnt have the longevity to "globalize it"***, Luffy finds it and "fulfils its destiny".
Even if Luffy doesnt directly die, its more than likely an incurable illness or heavy suggestion to soon to be death will be hinted at.
That paired with the storys exaggeration of time could mean a projected 2 years of life remaining, short for us, but Luffy will take as waaaay more than sufficient time to explore the world.
I'm all for a Luffy execution finale. That's not saying I want him to die on there though, I would hate it if he is killed but I want to see him on the platform. I would be really invested for a Luffy up there mirroring both Ace and Roger, and while Roger and ace had many allies, neither of them had even CLOSE to the amount that Luffy will have by the end.
Imagine it's almost exactly laid out like marineford, getting ready for the execution but instead of a dying legend, a bunch of idiot prisoners, one of the weaker warlords, and child Luffy coming to save him, the entire world shows up outnumbering the marines 1000 to 1, everyone from every island he visited came to stop it. And the marines would stand no chance by sheer numbers.
Hell, Luffy would have the perfect opportunity to repeat that line from Spandam up there that's something like "only an idiot would declare war on the entire world and expect to win". And unlike Ace or Roger, Luffy has the whole world behind him, even garp and Koby would completely turn at this point, and luffy would be successfully freed because he spread so much love in the world and not a single one of them would let him die because he risked his life for all of them.
If it ends with the younger generation mirroring the older generation and doing the same thing, like Koby being Luffys garp like garp is to Roger, and sanji and zoro ending up like Roger’s left and right hands, chopper ending up at the lighthouse looking after a whale or something. Like Naruto, where there’s several generations of ninja teams that are basically the same
Usopp gets CoC
Vivi dies
Robin doesn't apologize ever to Vivi.
Stronger CoC is all that matters from now on, everyone without CoC is basically fodder
Akainu doesnt pay for what he has done to Ohara and Ace among others.
One Piece: Next Generations
Right? Like if you're going to fuck the series up after 20 years and then remove Ash after fucking it up, then at least give us the courtesy of making him a champion first.
Maybe shoehorned bullshit or retcons 20 or so chapters before the finale. Hate is a strong one because I still like Naruto and Bleach even though I didn’t like the endings. Endings that made not want to reread a manga is like Kaguya or Shokugeki. I liked both but I don’t even think about them that much anymore
Oda can start doing what American series Often do on season 2. But I doubt it, since oda started the story from the end. Sure, arcs can ben underwhelming (I personally like all even condoriano filler) but I think we're safe.
Feel like if only one thing is the deciding factor between hating and not hating a series you probably don’t like it to much ngl cause idk any 1 thing that would make me hate one piece other than heinous crimes lol
Yes if they ruin the ending or revealing one piece something as a vague or no important things like "one piece is nothing but friends and joy you discover on the journey
Surprise Isekai/Surprise Aliens. (But I'm especially looking at you FMA Conquerer of Shamballa.)
Abandoning Usopp, Chopper and Franky's character arcs/still giving them nothing.
Can't say I'll be too impressed if the One Piece is some sort of reality warping/mass mind altering device. Because I suspect that if so, Luffy just destroys it and that's the end of that. Spare us all from the Atlantis tier power no mortal shall hold and thus must be destroyed.
Hate? No. There are a lot of ways it could end that would make me no longer hold it up as a modern masterpiece of fantasy literature, but I could never hate my memories of the journey One Piece has given me over the past 22 years.
Naruto did a fantastic job with Itachi. He was the mysterious cool character that turned out to have an amazing story and was a 'good guy' who had to do bad things as part of his bigger plan. Plus his moves and fights were badass. I sincerely hope Shanks gets a satisfying conclusion.
The inevitable. Oda has lost control of the story, and the ending (if there is ever an official published ending) will be disappointing and contradictory. Now Oda just keeps introducing a myriad of characters who aren't properly used and expects fans to create theories.
If it stops prematurely. Like some outside factors stop it from continuing or God forbid something happens to the world.
I would burn everything left to the ground. And everyone who contributed to it never finishing would find the sweet embrace of the cold ground. I've only stayed alive this long to finish this series. It's the last thing I have to do left. Don't fucking ruin it.
for me, it already happened - Luffy being the chosen one all along. So much for his dream of being the most free man in the world, being tied up to some fate/destiny lol
If the Strawhats separate after finding the one piece.
They will have gone through hell, taking on the world government, every competing pirate crew (including cross guild) as well as Imu and Black Beard. There is no version where going their separate ways, would be a happy ending for them.
I want them to savor their victory, to create a home and community together. Not just call it quits when they've achieved their dreams. I want them to enjoy the one piece together.
Luffy finds the One Piece, everyone laughs, and Luffy says something like "Shishishi! I can't believe the One Piece was that all along! This is so fun! I'll leave that here for the next pirate king to find!"
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u/J2xC158 5h ago
If they make a sequel like they did for Naruto Shippuden.