r/NFLv2 • u/Ok-Dog-8028 Chicago Bears • Sep 14 '26
Discussion Caleb Williams is better than Jordan Love
And it's not particularly close. Some people got 'it'. Other people don't
Mr Epa man looked like his usual self. Preform adequately enough, then collapse when the situation is most critical.
Caleb looked like he took his first next step in his development.
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u/NoFly3032 Minnesota Vikings Sep 14 '26
As a Vikings fan I have nothing against Love. But Caleb just has it. Don’t know how to explain it
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u/innocence_of_silence Minnesota Vikings Sep 14 '26
I still remember our fan base was talking about Nine being better than Caleb after week 1 last year. Life happens fast
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u/CaptainSmeargle Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
One thing we can all agree on, great watching you guys beat Green Bay with Carson Wentz today.
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u/alittlemoor Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
It’s the eye test. You can just watch QBs and they have it or they don’t
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u/Tomatillo12475 Sep 14 '26
As a USC fan it was wild to see people discredit him for not winning despite having one of the worst defenses in FBS. There was a reason he was considered a generational prospect almost on the level of guys like Lawrence and Luck. He’s already good with no upper limit to his potential
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u/sad-Fan1010 Buffalo Bills Sep 14 '26
Williams had a great game and is better than love.. I can see Williams being in the top 5 conversation this year especially with how bad Burrow, Stafford and Maye started.
Ben Johnson really has tapped into his potential, made it easy and as a result that offense is scary
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u/These_Inevitable_726 Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
Side note: that pass to DJ Moore for yall was fucking perfect. Love that for him and yall
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u/sad-Fan1010 Buffalo Bills Sep 14 '26 edited Sep 14 '26
Thank you brotha, I’ve loves DJs work ethic throughout his career… I’m glad the trade benefitted both of us, yall have a stacked offense top to bottom.
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u/These_Inevitable_726 Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
Honestly sometimes no one gets fleeced and everyone wins. I think this is one of those
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u/YourWifesBull666 Baltimore Ravens Sep 14 '26
Love is the definition of mediocrity
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u/PsychologicalKale738 Seattle Seahawks Sep 14 '26
Out of context this is the most grindset influencer sentence of all time
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u/GoldHoney2863 Seattle Seahawks Sep 14 '26
Herbert is the definition of mediocre
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u/stefanurkal Seattle Seahawks Sep 14 '26
The love line, the new Dalton line.
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u/throwawaaayyyyyay Sep 14 '26
This is an insane take that only box score watchers spew. Dude is clearly one of the most poised guys in the pocket in the league. He’s not perfect, but Andy Dalton comparisons are batshit insane
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u/abcamurComposer Sep 14 '26
It’s less that he’s an Andy Dalton tier qb (he’s miles ahead of Dalton) and more that the Dalton line has risen. If your qb is worse than Love he should be replaced
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u/Bd_3 Sep 14 '26
Had almost 400 yards with little to no garbage time yardage. I’m not sure even box score watchers can say this
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u/Kplatz Miami Dolphins Sep 14 '26
The irony here is that box score watching tells you Love is a good QB because he puts up great box scores. The reality of Jordan Love is a fair bit different than his box score numbers though.
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u/Novel_Importance_712 Sep 14 '26
Jordan Love is in no way the reason the packers lost yesterday. The oline is in shambles. Credit to Flores for exploiting that. Love actually held them off for three quarters with good decision making and being tough enough to keep taking the hits.
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u/throwawaaayyyyyay Sep 14 '26
I’d say he played much better than the box score showed yesterday. The completion percentage and the interception stains it, when in reality, he was forced to throw balls away due to the line collapsing IMMEDIATELY way too many times. Plus a tipped interception.
When he had any time at all, he actually looked very composed and his pocket movement was excellent. He did miss a few throws but he is someone I’d take over many QBs in the league.
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u/Goontron323 Sep 14 '26
My cousins who are green bay fans .. when love threw that interception in the playoffs against San Francisco i turned to them and said “ i think he just ruined his chance in regards to winning a superbowl.. this might be as close as it gets.” Before packer fans cry im not saying hell never win one but its weird how people get amnesia every august and trick themselves into bills packers superbowl. I just cant get that interception out of my head on how errand it was and how he reacted so non chalant about it. Also i know their banged up but man to loose to Minnesota like that… yikes
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u/gbum213 San Francisco 49ers Sep 14 '26
That was his second terrible interception that game. I remember.
Years later Love is still consistently ranked above Purdy on QB lists. No idea why
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u/Jznvh The purple team that’s bad Sep 14 '26
Packers really may be the worst team in the North lmao
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u/diggle_ Green Bay Packers Sep 14 '26
First time in my lifetime...but I might have to agree on this one...
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u/BooItsKyle Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
On paper they definitely are, it's just hard to believe because they've defied seasons like this for so long
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u/Odd-Break4868 Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
Yeah right? Its week 1 man. Its crazy this year has some insanely strong takes floating around week 1 and what feels like way less people saying "hey its only week 1" than years past
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u/Real-Repair-1825 Detroit Lions Sep 14 '26
I hate both but I agree. I’d be surprised if anyone would pick Love over Caleb rn given the choice.
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u/drummerboysam Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
Only people who thought Williams' first year running Ben Johnson's offense was going to be the peak of his understanding and command of it
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u/yeeeeeeet____ Detroit Lions Sep 14 '26
fuck the bears and fuck the packers but is it weird i don’t really mind caleb williams? not sure why
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u/Ransom2132 Sep 14 '26
Vikings fan here, and I to oddly don't mind Caleb Williams. Like if the Vikings are gonna lose to the Bears, I won't be as mad cause I kinda like Caleb. The Packers and Jordan Love are a different story though... fuck those guys with all the aids dicks.
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u/claddyonfire Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
Taking off my shitposting hat, Caleb legitimately does seem like a good dude and you can tell he genuinely cares about the team, the city, and getting better. It’s honestly hard to be a true hater (outside of NFCN obligations of course) since he just seems pretty chill
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u/Glittering-Proof-853 Sep 14 '26
I’m a ravens/cubs fan but a supporter of Caleb because he’s always hanging out with PCA
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u/Real-Repair-1825 Detroit Lions Sep 14 '26
He’s the Bears QB so I’m not a fan. I’m sure he’s a good dude tho or whatever
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u/DM_Me_Ur_Real_Boobs Deep penetration Sep 14 '26
I'll accept that. But we can all agree, Fuck the Packers, you and me
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u/Real-Repair-1825 Detroit Lions Sep 14 '26
No doubt. I live in Chicago so I’m slightly more lenient towards the bears. Slightly tho…..
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u/DanDiggler69420 Sep 14 '26
Ah you must be the guy they’ve been talking about “relocating” on the Chicago Bears message boards…
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u/Meezyftc Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
I feel the same way about Gibbs on the Lions he’s actually one of my favorite players right now although I don’t particularly care for the lions I don’t really consider them a true rival like the Packers
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u/DanDiggler69420 Sep 14 '26
I totally understand. It’s like, I hope every player on the lions gets stuck on Jury Duty 10 times a year but id still run through a wall for Dan Campbell.
I mean shit, even a Hatfield and a McCoy dabbled in forbidden love every now and then right?
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u/MikeMendoza29 San Francisco 49ers Sep 14 '26
This is not a controversial statement. In fact, this is just a true statement.
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u/Hyrogrifix Philadelphia Eagles Sep 14 '26
So are at least 15 other QBs. Jordan Love is mid.
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u/theBigWhiteDude Chicago Bears FTP Sep 14 '26 edited Sep 14 '26
You have no idea how happy I am to see non nfc north fans say this, he's been glazed by the media for too long.
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u/MarekRules Sep 14 '26
I’m convinced people have been glazing him forever because they for some reason wanted the Packers to have ANOTHER HOF QB storyline. Like they are destined to always have an elite generational player.
Love is just whatever. He’s average at best. He’s never shown any hint of being anything amazing. A lot of QBs who aren’t good have flashes of being incredible but I’ve never seen anything from Love that made me go “wow he’s good!”
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u/Isphet71 Sep 14 '26
The media and the average fan crowned his ass before he earned it. The story was easy to write, and the media and average fan didn't have to do any actual analysis of Love's play.
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u/Front-Doughnut8573 Green Bay Packers Sep 14 '26
He’s not glazed at all I only ever hear people shit on him or say he’s mid lol today wasn’t his fault
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u/Klopez0 Sep 14 '26
You don’t watch espn or the other sports shows then..he expected to be a mvp winner every year lol..every year they pick them for superbowl
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u/gorillanation Sep 14 '26
Please send me 1 link to a clip of ANYONE in mainstream media that said Jordan love was going to win MVP and packers were Super Bowl favorites.
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u/engmadison Detroit Lions Sep 14 '26
Truth! But this is exactly where I want the Packers to be...mid with a mid QB and a mid HC.
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u/Klopez0 Sep 14 '26
I’ve always said it… he’s a mid tier qb and I wouldn’t even call him mid because of decisions he makes sometimes. Every August they say Love is going to be a MVP candidate. Not to be an Eagles fan but it’s a “prove it year” for hurts every year while all he does is win and Love seems like his job is guaranteed for the next 5 years.
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u/ImNotMature69 Dallas Cowboys Sep 14 '26
You cant just keep winning the lottery of back to back super bowl champion, hall of fame qbs. Love is a starting qb talent in the nfl just never going to live up to Rodgers or favre.
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u/Many_Werewolf_7271 Jacksonville Jaguars Sep 14 '26 edited Sep 14 '26
He was top 10 by most metrics last season and one of the most efficient QBs in the league last year. Caleb has the higher ceiling but right now I’m taking the more consistent option.
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u/NoAntelope4800 Seattle Seahawks Sep 14 '26
I’ve always felt that way even before this week. Love AND Lafluer have to be some of the most overrated individuals at their positions.
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u/wiscysportsfan25 Sep 14 '26
Your qb threw 5 ints in the playoffs and won a game , love threw zero and lost somehow .. come on man be for real
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u/bigpoyo91 New York Jets Sep 14 '26
Bro I was big Caleb Williams skeptic but his arm is legit special it might be better than Pat
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u/Competitive_Mind_181 Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
He's an athletic freak and genuine psycho like Ben is.
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u/Cautious-Skirt-8335 Los Angeles Rams Sep 14 '26
Let the week one overreactions begin! I do like Caleb Williams though, he is more fun to watch.
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u/TheRealBroDameron Detroit Lions Sep 14 '26
I have never thought otherwise but fuck y’all for stealing BJ from us
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u/Ordinary_Pea4503 Sep 14 '26
Yeah it really wouldn't mean that much if he didnt go to the fucking bears
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u/Euphoric-Bat7582 Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
I will legit root for you guys 15 games out of the year in gratitude.
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u/DemonBearOP Baltimore Ravens Sep 14 '26
That's not a high bar to clear, Love is overrated by advanced analytics nerds. Colin Cowherd unironically said he's better than Favre, Brees, Manning, and Elway, because those guys had slow starts to their career.
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u/jamesd1100 Sep 14 '26
Colon Cowherd is legally retarded to be fair
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u/bensefero Seattle Seahawks Sep 14 '26
He may have a certificate to prove he doesn’t have donkey brains, but he has nothing else to prove otherwise
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u/DeeESSmuddafuqqa Sep 14 '26
“Where Colin was right?”
Put on pants today“Where Colin was wrong?”
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u/jackwhite886 Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
A Bears QB clearing any bar is enough to make my pants snug.
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u/DanDiggler69420 Sep 14 '26
This is what most people seem to forget. We’ve been begging for “serviceable” for decades so we were well within our right to be skeptical until proven otherwise!
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u/ImpalaSS-05 Cincinnati Bengals Sep 14 '26
Overrated how?? Love is one of the most hated QBs in the league for literally no reason. These morons want him to fail so bad.
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u/neoslashnet San Francisco 49ers Sep 14 '26
Jordan’s best game was a win against the Cowgirls…. I mean… that’s not great.
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u/Ummmmm805 Sep 14 '26
People in this thread are delusional lmao. Love threw for 400 and 2 tuds when the Vikings had the highest pass rush win rate as a team since 2022. He was consistently making plays while getting jobbed by his OL all game.
The int was bad but my goodness do people love to overreact in week 1 lmao.
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u/Ace0spades808 Green Bay Packers Sep 14 '26
Bears fans have been foaming at the mouth for this moment for 3 decades. They've just been waiting for the right moment to confidently say that their team and their QB is better than ours. I'll give them that they're finally probably right at least.
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u/KJ_BELL25 Sep 14 '26
Wait is this a controversial take?
I thought this was obvious.
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u/imalittledepot Sep 14 '26
If he posted this a week ago he would have been crucified by packers fans
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u/Ok-Dog-8028 Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
Quite contentious in the North, at least if you're talking to Packers fans lol.
I wanted to see how everyone else felt, good to know for once, Bears fans might be the less delusional ones.
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u/BurgessFox Denver Broncos Sep 14 '26
I'm not sure why this is a big thing, Love was drafted #26 as a project QB who sat for several years, Caleb was drafted #1 and hyped as an Elway/Manning/Luck level generational talent.
Maybe this is an NFC North thing and a bigger issue for Bears fans who have had to take shit from Packers fans lording Favre and Rodgers in their faces for years, and now they want to fire back, in which case fair, I liked to see the oppressed rise up.
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u/JF803 Sep 14 '26
Jordan love isn't that good.
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u/OkAction2485 Sep 14 '26
He’s too streaky. When’s he on he’s legit but the accuracy is way too inconsistent and just overall questionable decision making.
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u/Bilbo_Haggis Detroit Lions Sep 14 '26
How in the world was there ever any doubt?
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u/Jznvh The purple team that’s bad Sep 14 '26
Carson Wentz is too
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u/danegleesack69 Sep 14 '26
True I hope Kyler is healthy for next week
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u/Blondesounds Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
Considering he was fencing less than 12 hours ago, he probably won’t be.
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u/danegleesack69 Sep 14 '26
I hope JJ wins the job back. I didn’t know it was that bad for Kyler
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u/Blondesounds Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
Kyler will return but I highly doubt he will make it through protocol by next Sunday. JJ I can say with almost complete certainty will not win his job back.
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u/Tatersalad127 New Orleans Saints Sep 14 '26
So are like 2/3 of the leagues starting QB's. Your point? 😂
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u/ThexanR Los Angeles Rams Sep 14 '26
I think Caleb is elite but both QBs are massively failed by their defense. What WB throws for almost 400 yards and loses? Why did the bears offense have to score 60?
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u/MatthewWanderer Sep 14 '26
Love remains a $220M Rorschach test.
What I see is a good but not great QB that won’t win GB a SB. I’m not popular with fellow GB fans.
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u/Creative-Lab9444 New York Giants Sep 14 '26
Obviously. Jordan Love hasn’t much at all since he became a starter. Caleb Williams in year 2 was just as good as Love had ever been. Jordan Love isn’t a bad QB, but Caleb Williams is a star.
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u/kevinmbo Green Bay Packers Sep 14 '26
i mean he should be right? he was the undisputed #1 pick in the NFL draft whereas love was a projected second round pick”project” QB the packers reached for. theres no question williams has more raw talent/athleticism than love and it looks like he now has the coaching to translate that into quality production.
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u/Purple9ZH Sep 14 '26
That's a cold take at this point. I think Williams still needs to prove that he can be more consistent like he was yesterday over the course of a season but even his baseline is more valuable than Love who is just fine as a QB.
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u/Timely-Profile1865 New York Jets Sep 14 '26
Perhaps but you could say that Ben Johnson is a freaking offensive savant
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u/Gaemera Minnesota Vikings Sep 14 '26
No shit, the only reason people think he’s great is because the Packers haven’t not had great in three decades. Just projecting shit onto a guy who clearly isn’t it.
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u/DanDiggler69420 Sep 14 '26
My buddy said “Jordan Love is the Justin Herbert of Jay Cutlers” and I have no idea what that means but feel like it makes perfect sense.
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u/Dukeish New England Patriots Sep 14 '26
I wasn’t too high on Caleb, but wow - he was very impressive yesterday!
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u/Cultural-Memory356 Sep 14 '26
Love kinda reminds me of cutler. Has his moments… both great and both horrible. But lives in the mid.
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u/5StarGoldenGoose Philadelphia Eagles Sep 14 '26
Caleb Williams is a top 5 quarterback.
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u/losethecheese Kansas City Chiefs Sep 14 '26
Been saying it since he was on Utah state. NFC Herbert.
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u/kiwisawa420 Sep 14 '26
Oh you mean the QB that was touted as the most sure thing at QB since Andrew Luck is better than the project QB from Utah State? Damn crazy.
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u/CloudlessSkies20 Sep 14 '26
They are both good enough to win a superbowl but one team has a good head coach and the other has an atrocious one.
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u/lj97_ CTESPN Sep 14 '26
Caleb is better than Love, that's clear. But I think Caleb also have a better supporting cast and coaching than Love.
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u/TKenney3 New England Patriots Sep 14 '26
It’s not exactly a hot take that a #1 overall pick is better than a 20-something overall pick. This is to be expected lol
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u/Ihavenocluewhatzoeva Carolina Panthers Sep 14 '26
Caleb looked better than all of them yesterday. Dude was amazing
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u/Puzzleheaded_Tea521 New York Giants Sep 14 '26
At this point is not a hyperbole to say that he is top 3 most talented Qb in the league. (TALENT) alone not talking about history experience. Josh, Caleb i just don’t know any other QB other than Patrick that can make throws he makes Lamar is on that list.
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u/ghettob170 Sep 14 '26
No one who knows ball ever thought it was any other way. Even in Caleb's rookie year, the potential was worth more than whatever advantage in production Love had.
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u/discwrangler Sep 14 '26
Love spent most of his first contract on the bench. Caleb has his foot on the gas.
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u/Gambit723 Sep 14 '26
Love’s throws are mostly predetermined. You rarely ever see him reading a defense.
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u/rook119 Sep 14 '26
If you give Caleb an excellent OL that gives him time to do that weird sicko %$#@ he is a very good QB.
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u/Deep-Elk7477 Chicago Bears Sep 14 '26
A take that should not be controversial at all. It doesn’t even mean love is bad. But they are increasingly in different leagues.
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u/Frosty-Inspector-465 Sep 16 '26
true and bad for jordan love but the scary thing is i have to admit that caleb williams be making some RIDICULOUS throws. i'm afraid he's gonna win a super bowl.
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u/K12t2000 29d ago
Love won me my first Fantasy Championship in a league I had lost in 4 championship games and have been in for 22 years. So he hold a special place in my heart. But I drafted Williams over him this year no Ragrets
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u/maddenmadman Green Bay Packers Sep 14 '26
Ah this is peak reddit, lets all react to one game.
Love played fine today, the problem is the Green Bay offensive line which let him get hit on almost every play in the 4th quarter. And yes, I acknowledge Caleb looked really good today, albeit in a game where Carolina gave up 300 FUCKING YARDS ON THE GROUND!
Before anyone comments a reply, I implore you to go and actually watch the game.
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u/CryptographerCrazy49 Sep 14 '26
Also a green bay fan so a legion of dummies will point to bias.
Love played great all things considered. He got completely wrecked on most passing plays. Love played the Vikings who are favorites for the NFC North and have a top 5 defense.
Caleb played good. Young matched his best throws. Swift ran the shit out of the Panthers. Caleb has a nearly impenetrable oline. Caleb played the Panthers who are lucky to get a .500 and have a 31st ranked defense I believe.
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u/3rdEyeSalti Big cock Brock Purdy 🍆😫 Sep 14 '26
Yea all of the NFL coaches and fans know besides these redditors that consistently glaze him in their rankings.
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u/SI7Agent0 Sep 14 '26
Love is a solid starting QB. While I think he's in the 11-15 range for QBs, he also lacks a consistent WR 1 who can stay healthy (Christian Watson and Jayden Reed cannot stay healthy and Golden is still raw talent). I'd say Caleb has a higher ceiling, but I think Love is above average as it stands now.
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u/autisticpanthersfan Carolina Panthers Sep 14 '26
Panthers have a terrible dc but Caleb looked great