r/MiamiMarlins • u/northdakotact Italy • 5d ago

Would Sherman keep the franchise for even 5 minutes, if he was forced to spend $175 million on payroll?

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u/brotherinlawofnocar 5d ago

Can he physically afford it?

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u/RCK_ 5d ago

Oh my god, I miss Marlins fans from 1992 through 1999. When we had brains.

SHERMAN HAS MORE MONEY TO SPEND THAN MAGIC JOHNSON AND HIS OWNERSHIP TEAM OF THE DODGERS.

Facts below —

Marlins 2024 REVENUE: 317 million
Marlins 2025 PAYROLL: 86 million.

317 million minus 86 million.
Bruce Sherman has/had $231 million dollars in excess revenue to spend on free agents and payroll in 2025. 2026 numbers not out yet.

Let’s do this for the Dodgers now -

Dodgers 2024 REVENUE: 752 million
Dodgers 2025 PAYROLL: 549 million.

752 million minus 549 million. Equals 203 million.

Bruce Sherman has $231 million excess revenue to spend.

The Dodgers have $203 million.

Bruce Sherman has more money to spend than Magic Johnson and Dodgers ownership team

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u/doofy10 Marlins 5d ago

And yet the Marlins consistently rank among the lowest in payroll in baseball.

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u/Sznappy Eury Perez 5d ago

This is such a simplified argument. The expenses for the Marlins are not just Major League Salaries. They have coaches, employees, vendor contracts, entire minor league franchises and rosters, and a lot more expenses.

Also Sherman has likely debt to pay down from purchasing the team and apparently had to make cash calls to minority owners, which is not what a team making more revenue than the dodgers do. The Dodgers dont have to make cash calls to minority owners, they can make that up in sponsorships, etc.

Like its one thing to say that Bruce Sherman can spend more money on the major league payroll but to have the take that he has more money to spend than the Dodgers is asinine.

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u/RCK_ 5d ago

“The expenses for the Marlins are not just major league salaries”

That goes without saying…
Unless — you’re saying these costs are unique to ONLY the Marlins — then that would be the most wild statement in Reddit history.

EVERY other team has these costs. So that is a moot point.

It’s just what those teams choose to do with said revenue.

Some teams go get winning baseball players and baseball men.

Other teams (Sherman) choose to buy algebra and English textbooks for a school and baseball campus in the Dominican Republic.

Choices.

Sherman would rather fund the executive legal staff in the Dominican campus front office than sign Pete Alonso or Alex Bregman to multi year contracts.

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u/Sznappy Eury Perez 4d ago

If you don’t understand the point of a well functioning academy in the Dominican Republic I can’t help you.

And you don’t think every other team is investing the same amount in their international academies. That is also not unique to the marlins.

And you also just ignored all of the other points. Such as Bruce Sherman having to make cash calls to other owners just to afford to keep the team.

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u/TheMarlinsOnlyFan 5d ago

Exactly.

He’s not poor.

He’s a cheap piece of shit.

That’s much worse.

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u/Rj9949 Marlins 5d ago

Short answer is yes, teams don’t depreciate in value. His net worth has gone from a reported $800 million to $3 Billion. Why would he sell?

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u/Vegetable-Form1083 5d ago

Part of the reason that they are so valuable is that they can spend $50m on payroll and rake in revenue sharing money. A salary floor of $175m would absolutely depreciate franchise values.

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u/Rj9949 Marlins 5d ago

That’s not correct, there’s only so many sports teams. The lack of supply keeps values high. The average team payroll is between $175-$190 million. There’s still plenty of value at that floor.

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u/Vegetable-Form1083 5d ago

I’m not saying there isn’t still money to be made. But if your cost of doing business goes up $100m and revenue doesn’t match that then you end up making less money.

No floor also offers a level of flexibility for owners that would be lost if a floor was implemented. If ownership decides that earnings potential for the next year/years isn’t where they want it then they have the flexibility to cut payroll to get expenses in line with revenue projections. A hard floor that is significantly above their current payroll removes that flexibility.

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u/Sznappy Eury Perez 4d ago

A hard floor will never be implemented without a hard cap which will have the opposite effect by limiting costs and liabilities

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u/Vegetable-Form1083 4d ago

But a hard cap doesn’t matter to this type of ownership though. They would never get their payroll that high. Their main goal is to make money, not win games. They may try to win games but only because they see it as a means to an end.

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u/seedyourbrain Marlins 5d ago

Why? It didn’t depress NBA values. Or NFL.

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u/Sznappy Eury Perez 5d ago

It would be implemented with a cap which would fix costs and might appreciate values of franchises without the long contract liabilities.

Also it doesn't really work like that because a cap and floor would be based on revenue sharing agreements. We really don't know how that will play out.

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u/ReturnT0Sender 5d ago

Hope not. Need him out and have someone that's actually rich.

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u/Dillweed112 Marlins 5d ago

If he gets the payroll cap, he’ll sell the team. Selling a team with a cap is way more valuable even if there is a higher floor

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u/doofy10 Marlins 5d ago

Doubt it. He’s broke.

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u/FinalPercentage9916 Marlins 5d ago

But Bruce Sherman wants to WIN

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u/Techiesarethebomb Marlins 5d ago

He already sold 15% of his stake when the news came out of the proposed floor this season..

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u/Rob086020 Marlins 5d ago

I am doubtful that a salary floor will happen same goes for the roof.

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u/seedyourbrain Marlins 5d ago

They will shut this league down for as long as they have to in order to get a cap

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u/Rob086020 Marlins 5d ago

I hope, also they have to reword the terms that salary can’t be deferred to avoid what the dodgers are doing

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u/Sznappy Eury Perez 4d ago

I go back and forth on this. It’s not new, we celebrate Bobby Bonilla day because the Mets defeated $1M a year for 25 years (a lot in 90s money) and it’s been happening forever.

But they need to make sure the dodgers are paying for that salary in terms of luxury taxes, and only able to defer a small percentage of your yearly salary