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u/Cytholoblep Heroic Kronos Jul 12 '19
I'm never changing my main now that I can't get a potential-able badge or heart, and would have to redo months of arcane dailies.
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u/mario61752 Scania Jul 13 '19
That could lead to people making arcane dailies mules to max out their main though. It’d be great but I’m sure Nexon doesn’t want that.
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u/ttinchung111 Reboot Mercedeons Jul 13 '19
Yeah but those get expended and have a relatively high time requirement. Arcane symbols last forever and imagine doing mules if they had a free 13200 stat. It would be a joke even at low funding
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u/mario61752 Scania Jul 13 '19
It's not as easy as you say though, since you do need to get to the level requirement for an area in order to farm the symbols
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u/AverageRedditLurker Reboot Jul 13 '19
Imo, a good way to do things would maybe be to make a compromise. Make it so that you don't get shackled to dailies for another full year, but also don't freely give everything away all at once. For instance, they could make it so that symbols are now shared account wide and every level you unlock 10% of your furthest along character's symbols (for the relevant area). If your main has all symbols maxed for instance, then your mules would get something like:
Lvl 200: 30 AF/300 stat (vj)
Lvl 205: 130 AF/1300 stat (vj)
Lvl 210: 230 AF/2300 stat (vj) + 30 AF/300 stat (chu chu)
Lvl 215: 230 AF/2300 stat (vj) + 130 AF/1300 stat (chu chu)
Lvl 220: 230 AF/2300 stat (vj) + 230 AF/2300 stat (chu chu) + 30 AF/300 stat (lach)
Similarly, if your current main only has say vj and chuchu symbols at lvl 10, then each time your mule levels up they get 10 AF/100 stat instead of the 20/200 in the case of maxed symbols.
Your mule would still be getting a pretty big power spike, but still, at the very least they would have to level up to start seeing the effects accumulate. And to prevent abuse of it being account wide, just set a limit - the daily for each area can only be completed once per day per account now. I don't know, just a thought.
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u/zeus2422 Jul 14 '19
My pathfinder on reboot already has 550 arcane force (50 from hyper), it's not as slow as it used to be esp with the addition of the vj party quest. Still arcane force is some of the worst designed system I have ever suffered experiencing. Even my old main with 3lined gear and 33k stat (that was decent about a year ago) I never even reached 700 AF and I played it for 2-3 years. It's crazy how punished you are playing catch up when choosing to make a new main. Bring back pottable badges.
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u/walletstory Bera Jul 13 '19
The way arcane catalysts solve this right now is just by requiring that you don't have the symbol equipped or in inventory before being able to use the unstable transferred symbol.
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u/ThisFrigginDude Heroic Kronos Jul 13 '19
Or just give reboot arcane catalyst. You can transfer a symbol, but you lose 20% of its exp, and can only be transferred to a char who drops its original symbol to replace. Problem solved
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u/niceaimlock Jul 12 '19
That would ruin the purpose of dallies.
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u/MackoPuu Jul 12 '19
Having to do dailies for over a year to max out symbols is reasonable with me. Asking players to do the same thing over and over again with EVERY other character you want to main or even play as an alt is just bad design. Arcane symbol transfers are not such a ridiculous idea if you think about it.
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u/redbuffismine Aquila Jul 13 '19 edited Jul 13 '19
"Arcane symbols become inter-account tradeable at level 10, and have the owning character's name on it so it cannot be combined with new symbols on other characters unless first broken down with the condenser (which can be used if you wanted to rename the symbol)."
There, I just fixed AF system. Freely tradeable through storage so you can finish your stuff on your main, unequip and pass to your sub main who can use it but can't upgrade it. Stat changes to reflect job though.
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u/Flag_Route Renegades Jul 13 '19
So would it be just 1 level 10 symbol or everything?
What about a level 20(vj) + 20(cc) + 15(la) + 10(ac)? Because that would be a lot of free stats for mules.
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u/redbuffismine Aquila Jul 13 '19 edited Jul 13 '19
Level 10+ and you can still upgrade it, but only on the owning character.
I.e. xIcyFreeze has a level 15 VJ symbol (Int) to transfer to his sub main zPunchyBoi who already has a VJ symbol level 7 (Str).
When the level 15 symbol is taken out from storage by zPunchyBoi, it will be given a name:
"xIcyFreeze's Arcane Symbol: Vanishing Journey". This symbol has no exp, only the level, AF and stats (changed to Str). As such, it can't combine with the level 7 symbol that zPunchyBoi already has or any others he earns.
When he puts it back in storage to give back to xIcyFreeze, the symbol loses its name and becomes upgradeable again.
It's probably because Nexon didn't want people to bypass the time-gating by making mules to upgrade mains but in doing so it makes main swapping near impossible.
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u/niceaimlock Jul 12 '19
Sure I agree with you. it'll make the game easier but will nexon implement it?
Of course not because in doing so they're going to have less characters playing their game.Also if they did somehow implement it, should you be able to put your equips in storage on reboot?
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u/Pedarh Reboot Jul 12 '19
To keep the playerbase around that get bored of their main but could potentially be reinvigorated by playing one of the other 40± classes without the need to feel like they need to invest a lot of timegated hours into the game that is generally seen as work rather than fun gameplay
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u/kuronekonova Luna Jul 12 '19
arcane catacylyst exists. buy it from the legion coin shop to transfer your arcane force to another charecter
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u/MackoPuu Jul 12 '19
The original comment and the whole discussion under that comment are about Reboot where arcane catalysts don't exist and thus there's no way to transfer symbols.
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u/DuskTheHero Jul 12 '19
He's saying this because then if you wanted to play multiple characters you wouldn't be hyper gated by the daily's of arcane river on every character
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u/Narog1 Jul 12 '19
some of the maps in gollux pre have really low spawn speed
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u/HotCatholicMoms Jul 12 '19
Especially near the end when you have to collect the Memory Fragments and Corrupted Heart Pieces.
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u/Bobik776 Jul 13 '19
Which map is the best to even collect those drops for the quest even?
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u/loliamdeadlol Jul 13 '19
I do them at bent tree, bonus chance for leprechaun familiar and easier to get a kanna to
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u/Pyrogalactic REUboot Jul 12 '19
They should give Gollux and CRA the lomien pre treatment.
If you did your gollux pre / 10 runs RA on a char, you don't have to do it again.
It feels weird that I got almost full absolab before I got CRA on pathfinder.
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u/zanny126 Jul 12 '19
Nexon bout to take this the wrong way and give u the option to pay to pass prequests
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u/kunagi Jul 13 '19
Already did so with daily quests. At least in KMS now. You have the option to pay 500 maple points per daily quest you want to skip.
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u/cheapalternatives El Nido Jul 12 '19
gollux preqs aren't even that long, waiting 10 days to run CRA is even worse
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Jul 13 '19
Replace gollux pres with no badge/heart
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u/Flag_Route Renegades Jul 13 '19
I got a tradable heart back in 2012 do I could play a sub main in the future. Little did I know they would remove pottable badges.
I should've farmed them on all my mules before I took a hiatus.
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u/Jewnunu Heroic Kronos Jul 12 '19
lol lotus prequests said hi
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u/jesteron Heroic Solis Jul 12 '19
Last patch said hi
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u/5onic Reboot Jul 12 '19
what about the last patch?
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u/jesteron Heroic Solis Jul 12 '19
Lotus/Damien prequests are account shared now, so if you’ve done it on one character you can now enter the bosses on the rest of your characters in the same world
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u/tehsdragon Jul 12 '19 edited Jul 13 '19
If you did the Lotus and Damien prequests on 1 character in your server, all your characters on that server now have the bosses unlocked (or something like that)
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u/Equinar Jul 12 '19
Should be the same for gollux tbh, or better yet at least 3x the drops on those last 2 quests and we gucci
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u/Zxcvbnm6 Reboot Jul 12 '19
Will never happen sadly, since gollux is not kms content
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u/TioZer0 Jul 13 '19
Well, they increased the spawn and drops for "certain hard to drop quests" with a picture of the bee that's hard af to drop items for one of the last Stone Colossus quests, so maybe there's still hope?
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u/Memphisrexjr Scania Jul 12 '19
If only they could revamp the gear. So tired of the level cap raising yet old gear is still bis.
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u/kuronekonova Luna Jul 12 '19
there is nothing wrong with gollux gear what
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u/Memphisrexjr Scania Jul 12 '19
The level cap is 275. That gear is 150...what...
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u/leleleul Duo Server Main Jul 12 '19
what’s wrong with that
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Jul 13 '19
So to you it’s normal that literally 3 rings, earrings, 2 pendants and a belt all come from a single boss and are for the large part of the community BiS?
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u/kuronekonova Luna Jul 13 '19
yes
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Jul 13 '19
Well, you do you, but for me it makes no sense that the BiS items are two different rarities of the same exact set of an early-midgame boss. Both Superior and Reinforced are BiS, and that's just because there's no more space -- otherwise, just like the ring, you know what's the next best option? Of course, Solid equipment. That's just bad game design. The "inferior" versions of the set are supposed to be just that -- passing stones. Not BiS items. It's ridiculous that in mid-2019 there's still nothing better or even just different except from time-gated events.
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u/dnavi Heroic Kronos Jul 12 '19
I did pres during 3x with a 2x coupon and got done in 20 minutes for both quests.
that's pretty fast but still ridiculous.
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u/agentc6h12o6 Jul 13 '19
Who does pres on 3x ??? ,thats farmin time.
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u/dnavi Heroic Kronos Jul 13 '19
gollux pres suck and I wanted to change my main so I decided I'd do em. I was like 197 so I just needed to level up once anyways which I did after I finished the pres.
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u/leleleul Duo Server Main Jul 12 '19
Oh, I think I want to play this class now.
-cosmetics character bound
-untradable chairs
-titles, medals, prequest redo
-no badge
nvm