What does GMS get right?

[u/LayeredOwlsNest]

[u/HideHideHideyoshi]

Pitch pity and no boom 22*, not perfect for both, but it is better than not having

[u/Niels_vdk]

still having a reboot/heroic server

[u/Sarcazak → u/Niels_vdk]

A lot of problems and lack of competence from the GMS team trying to balance reg and heroic, so not sure if even this is something they did right

[u/XIII_THIRTEEN → u/Sarcazak]

Still a better solution than kms had

[u/Sarcazak → u/XIII_THIRTEEN]

Ehhh, KMS is commonly referred to as the current best version of modern maplestory.

They definitely could have planned it out better when they axed reboot, but they were successful in creating one cohesive game rather than two lackluster ones.

[u/LeagueOfBlasians → u/Sarcazak]

Best version of modern Maplestory by who??? At most, KMS is the most balanced version of Maplestory (with an economy), but Reboot is much more friendly towards anyone who's not end-game.

[u/Sarcazak → u/LeagueOfBlasians]

By streamers who actually play both versions and therefore have legitimate opinions. Kobe comes top of mind, ask him on any stream and he will tell you that KMS is a better experience even if you are free to play.

KMS has made a lot of effort in recent times to ensure that the f2p experience has improved, so your perspective might be a bit outdated

[u/Better_Ad_9804 → u/Sarcazak]

The only reason KMS experience is that good because they have the player base to work with the economy. GMS doesn't have anywhere near as many players to keep the economy f2p viable.

[u/Sarcazak → u/Better_Ad_9804]

I agree that’s a big part of it, in addition to the development and leadership team over there clearly caring way more about the game than the GMS team seems to.

GMS economy can be solved by merging reg and reboot imo but I doubt they would ever do that at this point

[u/Mint-Bentonite → u/Sarcazak]

Maplestory's game economy is not designed to be self sustaining and expects spending over anything else. Try being f2p in ems reg server or maplesea and youll see what i mean: The game completey fails to function as a f2p experience without a bunch of addicted victims to milk.

youre mesocapped from daily grinding (kms/msea), you are not starforcing to progress, good luck doing content past ctene as this perma 17* abso player, and your droprate is dogshit esp if there is no one to whale dropgear for you to buy

(Oh just buy premade eternals, spares are free because you can trade them...how are you getting there without exploiting a whale player directly/indirectly. If no one wants to pay then where are these things coming from. So many endgame msea players rely on bots to break the game because the alternative is to degen spend like 99% of kms players who have turned the game economy into an nft marketplace)

Throw in gms bots monopolising every moneymaker in the game and you have no game to play besides a shitty casino experience where every progression system is fucking gambling weighed against you, at a rate of 5-10 total attempts per month (endless rnggate timegate built to frustrate you into spending)

[u/TILTEDBoi69 → u/Sarcazak]

What? Please elaborate, you mean like deleting reboot similar to KMS? Or vice versa?

[u/Dysss → u/Sarcazak]

Doubtful. The biggest issue and elephant in the room is botters. The barrier to entry to botting in kms is significantly higher due to needing some form of korean identification. Afaik no other region has this requirement, and is thus far more susceptible to bots destroying the economy. You need look no further than msea to see what the game would look like if reg was the only way to play the game.

[u/XIII_THIRTEEN → u/Sarcazak]

The different versions of the game need to be balanced within their version, not in relation to each other. Balancing Heroic and Interactive relative to each other is almost like balancing Modern in relation to Classic, it'll never work because they're different worlds with different considerations.

Kms had players complaining because their world wasn't balanced in relation to the other, which is frankly stupid because their world WAS balanced, it was just balanced differently from the other one. But they couldn't have that, and they whined until Nexon just decided re-balancing the other world from the ground up to fit a whole different version wasn't worth the hassle. So in the end, all the whiners got absolutely nothing for their trouble except ruining other people's experience. So I'm curious from your perspective, how the fuck can you think that same situation should be ported over here?

[u/vapor90]

Pitched pity, 22 no boom, heroic, ignoring boss crystal changes for heroic, keeping eternal pieces instanced for heroic. Arguably incredibly useful and makes games 10x better and more linear, but it’s outshined by a lot of problems in everyone’s eyes and the fact that the ideas are generally good, but incredibly flawed.

[u/Fimbulvetr1]

Looting their player base of their money

[u/meowmeowcats7]

I would say GMS understands the pitch pity problem but the execution is not quite there lol.

gotta wait till maplefest this weekend 🙏

[u/FudgeNouget → u/meowmeowcats7]

Honestly pitches are not a problem anymore due to the pity system + starforce4 change. The core progression issues are:

1. Brilliant items having the same issue as pitches
2. Total Control not being piti-able
3. General lack of Mesos due to extremely high cost of starforcing with the SF4 change
4. Severe lack of sol era fragments

I have my main running up to NBaldrix, three NAdversary mules, and 5 NSeren mules yet I still blow through all my mesos every two weeks and I haven't even attempted any 23*+

And there is just no incentive to pushing mules because we lack fragments and the boss crystals just have not been updated to give more mesos (unlike in KMS). WIth the money to push Ctene mule to EAdversary, which effectively makes your weekly income 5.2b -> 8b ish, you can just make two additional ctene mules, giving you 15.6b mesos. This is a fundamentally broken system.

[u/LucidMystery]

In no particular order:

Keeping reboot mechanics

Level 1-4 enhancement modes

Pitched/dawn whisper crystals

Star speck boxes

Trace missions

Operation dive

I’m enjoying the game more than I did a year ago.

[u/tcesyd]

Everyone saying nothing but playing heroic is coping

This game is poorly run and management sucks but fkn lol

[u/jakbeer]

Bosses dropping cubes and materials instead of strictly needing an alchemist extractor to break occult cubes and boss flames into materials

[u/Tsubuki]

Not deleting reboot and turning it into a reg server with meso caps.

[u/StingRayFins → u/Tsubuki]

That's the only thing keeping me around. If they remove Reboot I'm 100% quiting for good.

[u/Turbulent_Bad_7956]

Turning a blind eye to problems

[u/AnywhereMajestic5897]

Rental gear and transferable arcanes. Also the Operation Dive event I still think about that to this day although the current go go sidekick event is better

[u/Lumpy_Cranberry2654]

Pitch pity, ‘free’ 22, non-kms classes (idc about power gap issue if I can do bosses faster then it’s a w), reboot server, familiars and mystic frontier, operation dive from cw3

Not a lot of people engage in this but I personally like the Home feature and enjoy collecting furniture and decorating

[u/wolfei-1463]

i think all the nx items are properly priced because people cant stop purchasing them

[u/Responsible-Hall7522]

Heroic servers are the main thing.

I see people complaining about pitch pity, but KMS doesn't have that big an issue with pitched equips because the market has so many of them.

[u/Mannyyu]

Honestly curious though, apart from maybe shared cash shop, what advantages does KMS/MSEA have that GMS players wants?

[u/glimmerware]

-Heroic

-Exclusive classes (I know the balance is fked, but the fact we get our own classes is still really cool)

-Familiars (almost perfect, they just need to give us familiar anvil/transmog, give mystic frontier a progression and not have it be 100% RNG, and revamp the stupid badge system)

-Classic, even if it may have issues, I'm still glad they decided to make it, soo much better than having to play a custom server on maple worlds or something

-various recent events all having a focus on giving us frags; I know you see our complaints about them and are trying Inkwell, it's really appreciated. I still wish for a PERMANENT, non-event solution for more frags though

[u/Livid_Cat_2680]

Sucking FOMO players money dry, especially during CW events. It’s mindboggling the sheer amount of players spending on Genesis Pass and all the other passes.

I participated in CW1-2-3, and I don’t even know what means to be #1. People not sleeping and speedrunning to be #1 in a solo-based player game…

Modern maplestory is solo-based progression. Classic maplestory shouldn’t exist because it’s the pre-bigbang modern maplestory; so if it moved forward, it shouldn’t go back in time.

[u/C-E-GA → u/Livid_Cat_2680]

Classic maplestory is in my opinion the best the game has done in the past decade. Back to the winning formula, simpler, community oriented, slow progression so you actually commit to a character.

[u/Crypto-Tears]

Absolutely nothing.

[u/LayeredOwlsNest → u/Crypto-Tears]

Then why are you here?

[u/Crypto-Tears → u/LayeredOwlsNest]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pUeXcg80cO8I8

[u/Livid_Cat_2680]

Sucking FOMO players money dry, especially during CW events. It’s mindboggling the sheer amount of players spending on Genesis Pass and all the other passes.

I participated in CW1-2-3, and I don’t even know what means to be #1. People not sleeping and speedrunning to be #1 in a solo-based player game…

Modern maplestory is solo-based progression. Classic maplestory shouldn’t exist because it’s the pre-bigbang modern maplestory; so if it moved forward, it shouldn’t go back in time.

[u/NoBroccoli3615]

We shall see in a few days it seems..

[u/Final-Coast-1220]

nothing really.

[u/erevefuckstolive]

Nothing if you ask me. I just like the nostalgia factor of it. Glad classic is coming back soon