r/MadeMeSmile • • 13d ago

Wholesome Moments Some of the best feelings in the world.πŸ’–πŸ˜­βœ¨

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u/-nom-de-guerre- 13d ago

It’s fight, flight, freez, *and* fawn

everyone forgets fawn; and it is associated with severe childhood abuse and trauma

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u/TerminallyBlonde 13d ago

Yep, my main response is fawn and I could be terrified but smiling too. The mindset is "I'll show my belly so they are pleased and don't hurt me" and I'll do mostly anything to keep them happy to keep myself safe. It's basically trauma teaching you that your safety is dependent on other people being happy with your behavior.

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u/LukewarmJortz 13d ago

The girls that were smiling until they realized who it was were defo fawning.

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u/Consistent_Smell_880 13d ago

it’s dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge

Everyone forgets that if you can dodge a hammer, you can dodge a wrench

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u/TallDarkandWTF 13d ago

And if you can dodge traffic, you can dodge a ball

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u/TenshiS 13d ago

It's stop, drop, rock and roll

Everyone forgets you can rock AND roll

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u/Neutral_Buttons 13d ago

Fawn is so insidious. I have a nasty fawn response and I hate it so much.

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u/ragweed 13d ago

I'm a freeze and fawner but when some unknown has put their hands on me from behind, like a waitress who's overly friendly, I'm not smiling about it.

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u/Testing_things_out 13d ago

What is fawn?

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u/BouncinBabyBubbleBoy 13d ago

I've also heard it refer to as "appease," but fawn fits better with the other 'f's.Β 

Basically, it's having an automatic reaction of trying to be kind, funny, or charming to prevent potential harm. I learned from a really early age that if you can make the big scary person laugh or tell them what they want to hear, they are far less likely to hurt you, and you're more likely to get your needs met.

It's almost like a dog showing its belly and grooming a potentially threatening dog.

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u/bullitt-rider 13d ago

acquiesce would be a court room description

It's generally fight flight friend freeze flop

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u/bullitt-rider 13d ago

Survival.

Fight flight friend freeze flop is the more accepted description.

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u/Mertoot 13d ago

Some BS these mfs made up about the staged clips above lmao

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u/Shartiflartbast 13d ago

To think you could have just googled instead of looking like an ignorant prick.

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u/Mertoot 13d ago

Nah I just felt like p*ssing on this thread because nobody bothered to explain it for those of us who didn't know

Either post the definition or get out instead of making us google stuff

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u/CalmBeneathCastles 13d ago

It's psychology, Kevin! Look it up!

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u/enron2big2fail 13d ago

They don't "forget" it really, they just don't know about it. When the framework was developed in the early 1900s it was just fight or flight, which I think got culturally snapshotted as a phrase. Freeze got added next I think, and by then the seal was broken to add all sorts of things (which is good, it's good to have a more detailed view of acute stress responses). Now people will talk about the 7F's of fight, flight, freeze, fawn, flop, flood, and flock.

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u/bullitt-rider 13d ago

Fight flight friend freeze flop

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u/GamingWithPanda 13d ago

Fib is in there too.Β 

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u/Late-Button-6559 13d ago

So fawn isn’t an instinct? It’s a learned behaviour?

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u/RosebushRaven 13d ago

A bit of both, but yes, more learned than instinctual.

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u/Unique_Self_5797 13d ago

My older daughter falls into fawn whenever her sister throws a tantrum about something, and I'm actively trying to help her out of that, well trying to help both of them learn to stay in their window of tolerance, but that shit is hard to teach 7&8 year olds(and younger when we first started trying) because their window is so small to begin with.

But for some people their nervous system just defaults to certain responses from a super young age. My younger one kind of evenly fight or flight when she's in a hyperaroused state, but freeze when shes in a hypoaroused state(keeping things simplistic). My older one is pure fight when she's in a hyperaroused state and evenly freeze/fawn when hypoaroused.

My personal responses tend to be flight and fawn, and I did not have an abusive childhood, let alone a severely abusive one. I've just always tended towards fawn.