I graduated about 3 years ago and have been in the workforce! Just decided I want to go to lawschool

I've been out of school for so long, is it unrealistic to have a timeline of

Feb-March 2027 Take LSAT

April 2027 - Apply

I'll have to start studying, my job has been at a lawfirm! But I feel like I dont even know where to start

So I disabled gramerly but it somehow still came up and highlighted the misspelled words but didn’t give me a suggestion…are they gonna come for me?

Two prospective lawyers meet in an alley way. Prospective lawyer A says, I will shoot you unless you give me your wallet. Prospective lawyer B, terrified, immediately dives into his pockets and hands it over.
A then shoots B. While one the ground, B says, “but I gave you my wallet” to which A responds, “you confused the sufficient and necessary condition” and coldly walks away, going on to score a 175.

For those who are taking November and PTing at or above their desired score, what are they doing to ensure success? I lowkey didn't do great on September and so want to make sure that I hit my goal score in November. Thanks

Someone recently posted about their struggles with necessary versus sufficient issues. I asked for some examples and they were kind enough to provide three of them.

I’m one of those weird old guys who works from home and lives alone (very happily) with his cat. I also like to write. I’m posting this rather than replying as a comment because quite frankly, Reddit’s data analytics indicates that I’ll reach at least 10 times as many readers. 

I intend to post an explanation for two of these questions (one of them is from PT 101, which is too old).

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This question can be approached in two or three ways (you’ll see). 

The best way is to try to identify the assumption that would guarantee the truth of the conclusion by reading the stimulus exactly like this:

Conclusion: If Skiff’s book is as important and as well written as he claims, he will be promoted.

WHY?

Because the dean will surely promote Skiff if Nguyen keeps her promise to recommend it. 

AND

Because if Skiff’s book is published this year, Professor Nguyen she will urge the dean to promote Skiff.

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For many students, reading the stimulus in this way reveals the assumption. But what if a student doesn’t see it? By knowing exactly how to eliminate wrong answers. 

This second approach assumes that the reader has a basic understanding of how necessary and sufficient conditions work. In fact, a basic understanding of these issues is almost always enough to eliminate any tricky wrong answer. 

In other words, I’m not so sure the LSAT is asking students to have a complete mastery of formal logic. Rather, the LSAT just wants students to understand how formal logic can go wrong.

Please know that the following is ubiquitous when it comes to sufficient assumption questions with a conditional conclusion. For example, section 1, question 17 of the the April 2025 LSAT disclosure test. 

Everyone knows that the correct answer to an SA question will guarantee the truth of the conclusion. Put another way, the correct answer will create a valid argument. 

Some people don’t know the following rule, though: All information in the correct answer will be explicitly discussed in or directly inferable from the stimulus. This means that an answer with information that is not explicitly discussed or is not directly inferable from the stimulus is automatically wrong.

The above rules means that choice B (Skiff needs) and choice C (Nguyen believes) can be promptly eliminated.

The key here though is the fact that the conclusion is conditional. Specifically, IF Skiff’s book is as important and as well written as gift claims (THEN) he will be promoted.  

For SA questions with a conditional conclusion, multiple wrong answers will feature certain basic formal logic problems. As I mentioned previously, this is still happening in the most recent tests.

Rephrasing choice D: IF Skiff’s book is published THEN it is as important and as well written as he claims it is. 

Choice D switches the sufficient condition of the conclusion (IF important) to the necessary condition. A good example of formal logic gone wrong, so wrong answer.

Rephrasing choice E: IF Skiff will be promoted THEN Professor Nguyen urged the dean to do so.

Choice E switches the necessary condition of the conclusion (THEN he will be promoted) to the sufficient condition. Another good example of formal logic gone wrong, so wrong answer. 

Deductive reasoning indicates that since four answers have now been definitively eliminated, choice A must be the right answer.

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NOTE: These questions (SA featuring a conditional conclusion) have other basic and easy-to-identify wrong answers if you know what to look for. Specifically, they will merely rephrase a conditional statement from the evidence, sometimes in a flawed manner.

For example, for this question, the first sentence is also conditional: IF Skiff’s book is published this year (THEN) Professor Nguyen vows she will urge the dean to promote Skiff.

Typical wrong answers might merely rephrase the above using different language, but ending up with the same form (for example, the contrapositive). Other wrong answers might just reverse the two conditions. 

For example: Skiff’s book will not be published this year unless Professor Nguyen vows she will urge the dean to promote Skiff.

Another example: IF Professor Nguyen vows she will urge the dean to promote Skiff THEN Skiff’s book is published this year.

To be clear, the above is a flawed reversal. But of course, still a wrong answer.

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The kinda/sorta third way to approach this question is to identify what I refer to as Unique Elements (ideas discussed exactly once in the relevant parts of an argument). 

For this question, the two unique elements are Skiff’s book is published this year and Skiff’s book is as important and as well written as Skiff claims.

Unfortunately, two answers discuss both Unique Elements and D looks more attractive because it includes more of the second unique element. 

But choice D is definitely wrong because of the formal logic problem. 

This is what I mean by two or three ways to approach the question. Students still need to know how to eliminate D even after finding the Unique Elements. But very often, only the correct answer will discuss the two unique elements. 

Happy to answer any questions.  

basically title! i've worked through all of the newer tests (150s), also done every practice test. I see a lot of posts that the latest LSATs are trickier for LR, and more logic game-y. Is it beneficial to study these questions from tests that had LG sections?

I started analysing my performance via the difficulty level of the questions I am doing, as opposed to the question type, and I notice that I get almost 80% of level 3s correct in every section / PT I take, but this accuracy is at less than 10% for level 4s. In my last 2 PTs I got no level 4s correct, which is what scares me.

How many level 4s appear on an actual exam? My brain literally goes to mush any time I encounter any one of these. It breaks my heart to see all reds in post PT review. I write the Nov (&Jan lsat), how do I drill / what kind of practice should I do before my exams to get better at lvl 4?

I'm taking the November LSAT and aiming for a 170+. I have scored three 165s, then finally a 171, which I was stoked about. When I scored 171, I felt confident while I was studying, taking sections and getting only 1-3 wrong. Then two weeks ago I scored a 162 and was devastated. Since then, I feel like I'm consistently getting 3-6 questions wrong on every section. I'm drilling questions that I keep getting wrong (NA, Diagramming, and Paradox are my top three terrible types), but I can't get out of this rut. Do I cancel the test? I know a big part is confidence, but I don't know how I got so in the groove and now lost it. I also keep taking sections to try to get back to my previous consistent good scores, but I know spamming questions is just a bad idea. Any advice would be helpful.

Currently, I am using LSAT Demon to study and I would like to take the test in February or April with the plan of trying to get a 170+. I know everyone is different but I study like 2-3 hours a day 5-6 days a week (I know it's probably overkill). However, I'm not sure how to actually improve. I took the test last year on minimal studying and got a 158, but now that I am studying like it's my full time job, I'm not sure how to turn this studying into productive score increases. I am super inconsistent still. Sometimes I get 20/25 questions right, other times I get 15/25. Whenever I get questions wrong on the drilling or timed practices I spend a ton of time reviewing the questions. But even after I make sense of how I got a question wrong and why the right answer was right, I feel like it's not very easy to apply to completely different sets of questions. If you have any advice, I'd greatly appreciate it.

any idea how long it's currently taking to approve argumentative essays. I took mine on 10/13 in the evening. still pending. I think the test went smoothly other than the fact that I wrote a shit essay.

I put together a discord server for the 2026-2027 cycle if anyone is interesting in forming a small group to chill, chat, and discuss personal statements or late LSATs.

Hopefully can help a bit on status updates, essay swapping, and moral support!

https://discord.gg/beBpPCR467

Hi everyone!

I recently took my first full LSAT practice test (PrepTest 140) and scored a 142. I'm hoping to take the official LSAT in June 2027, with a target score of 165–170 to maximize my chances of receiving substantial scholarships at law schools in the Midwest and Texas. I would like to get into Healthcare Law and eventually make it into In-House Counsel.

I'm looking for advice from people who started with a similar diagnostic score and made significant improvements, particularly those who reached the mid-to-high 160s.

A little about my situation:

• Diagnostic score: 142 on PrepTest 140
• Section order: Logical Reasoning, Logical Reasoning, Reading Comprehension
• Section breakdown:
  • LR 1: [12/25 questions correct]
  • LR 2: [11/26 questions correct]
  • RC: [10/27 questions correct]
• Timing: I finished most or all of the questions, so running out of time wasn't my biggest issue.
• Main difficulty: I often understood the stimulus and the question but struggled to choose between two answer choices.
• Current preparation: I have a Kaplan LSAT prep book and am beginning to review my practice test to understand why I missed questions.
• Timeline: June 2027 (approximately eight months to prepare)
• Budget: $300–$600
• Preferred study format: Self-paced, with detailed explanations, analytics, and opportunities to review mistakes.

I haven't completed my full blind review yet, so these are my initial results.

A few questions I would really appreciate your input on:

1. If you were starting from a 142 with roughly eight months to prepare, how would you structure your study plan to reach 165–170?
2. Would you recommend focusing on fundamentals and untimed practice first, or continuing to take timed sections while reviewing mistakes?
3. For someone who struggles to distinguish between tempting answer choices, what specific review methods or drills helped you improve?
4. Given my budget, which prep resources would you recommend? I've been looking into self-paced programs and would appreciate honest comparisons of options such as 7Sage, LSAT Lab, and LawHub.
5. How frequently should I take full practice tests, and what benchmarks would you use to determine whether I'm on track for June?
6. For those who improved by 20+ points, what made the biggest difference in your preparation? Is there anything you wish you had done differently?

I'm willing to put in consistent work and adjust my approach if needed. I'd especially appreciate advice from people who started in the low 140s and eventually reached the mid-to-high 160s.

Thanks in advance! I appreciate any insight you can share.

Hello everyone, so I’m reading through 33 common lsat flaws (LSATMax) —I’m assuming recognizing flaws will help with flaw and parallel— but I missed this question initially, I picked C. I see that C is wrong because it’s not talking about classifying criminals, but I seemed to have trouble spotting the implied principle. Any tips/advice for spotting gaps initially? I’ve had similar issues with SA/NA i.e., spotting the gap between the premises and conclusion. — Thanks, hope everyone’s studying is going well.

Can someone please give me advice on how to tackle necessary assumption? I don’t fully get it.

Hi everyone, I’m looking for advice on my current situation and want to see if people who can relate can share their point of view. I’m open to hearing back on the outcomes of anyone who has been on the same boat. I just turned 23 and am feeling very behind. I’ve been studying since April 2026 and realized I wasted my time on methods that haven’t worked and I’m set to take the November LSAT next month. I don’t feel ready at all and am PTing in the 150s, but am so impatient. I’m accepting the fact that I have to push it another cycle. I can’t afford law school, ESPECIALLY now with a cap of grad plus loans. My only option is to really get a good enough score to get scholarships. Anyone ever been in the same situation, and what made you truly feel okay about taking your time and not being on a time rush at all?

Hi! I am a college senior currently and plan on taking a gap year and my goal is to take the LSAT in February, but that is flexible. This was my diagnostic score, admittedly I had studied a little bit before taking this, but not as consistently as recently. I’ve been studying an hour everyday with a few off days using LSAT demon. My gpa is a 3.2 right now because my freshman year I was a bum and didn’t focus on school as much, but I have gotten deans list sophomore year and forward. The LSAC is probably going to give me a lower GPA as my school has grade redemption and I failed a class. I’m really relying on my LSAT score to get in a good school + get scholarship money. I would just like any tips/opinions. Thank you!

So I have tried Test Masters and I really could not get behind the strict classroom instruction with a bunch of rules and guidelines in order to be successful at this exam. I'm having the worst time trying to motivate myself to study for this test because it literally beats the hell out of my self-esteem and makes me feel like an absolute moron every time I see just how bad I am at getting LR and RC questions correct. Everyone says "take it slow and reread the questions and understand exactly why the answer is the way that it is." Which in theory makes sense, however, it almost seems pointless to do considering that you never see the same question twice.

Someone give me some pointers, tell me what you did, whether it be strategies, habits, training your dog extremely well, idk. Sometimes the idea of taking this test to me is the equivalent of the time that hulk hogan took too many clotheslines to the head and decided he could act. End rant.

Hi yall. I'm a reapplicant and I quit my job to focus on applications and the LSAT because of how last cycle went for me. I'm kind of really panicking because I think there's a large possibility I did poorly on the October LSAT. I have 2 scores so far and they're not great to begin with: 153 and 158. If I do worse, do you think it's better to just cancel my score? I do state in my applications that I left my job to work on the LSAT/applications so it feels kind of embarrassing to me to not cancel and then do worse.... I know I don't have a score yet -- I'm not trying to catastrophize but rather think ahead. Any thoughts are appreciated!

Throughout the last cycle I posted weekly updates on application numbers and LSAT scores. Once summer hit, the new applicant numbers slowed down so much as to not need regular updates. But now that a new cycle has started, we have new numbers to review. Let’s take a look at the first numbers from the new cycle. Per LSAC data, we are 17% of the way through the cycle in terms of total applicant count. Here's the breakdown of Applicants, compared to last year:

Let’s put these in context. Last cycle was wild, with perhaps the fastest start in history. Early applicant numbers were up over 30%, so to have a less competitive cycle (which is good for you), you want to see these early numbers down, and the more the better. So, seeing the early applicant numbers up 12% isn’t optimal, but also, this is just the start and in recent years more applicants have been front-loading. So it’s too early to make a call here—we need to see how things look in a month or so. I’d bet it slows down steadily.

Let’s take a look at the LSAT scores for the applicants so far:

The numbers here will move around a bit, but what you want to see is relatively fewer high scores. That’s because last year saw some ridiculous increases in higher scores: an 11.3% increase in 160-164 scores, a 14.7% increase in the 165-169 range, a 19.1% increase in 170-174 scores, and an astounding 21.7% increase in 175-180 scores. Right now we are seeing slightly lowered numbers, which is generally good for everyone.

TL;DR: We are only 17% of the way through the cycle, so numbers are both small and early and they will move in the coming weeks and months! That said, early returns are slightly ahead of last year and the question is whether they will remain there.

Any questions, please let me know!

Heard from someone with Accocms that the LR section I was hoping was experimental wasn’t. Fuuck. I ran out of time in the last two and literally just clicked and guessed- never happened on PTs before. I was PTing in the 170-180 range for months and feel devastated. Rip.

Hi! I am sorta getting started in my LSAT journey, and I have been struggling to find an organized and easily accessible way to log my incorrect and correct answers in a question log. I constantly hear that people recommend tracking your incorrect answers, but it seems like so much information to be storing and writing down. Does anyone have any tips, advice, or systems for tracking these things?

During the first half of my exam Saturday, the ceiling above me started leaking onto my desk and it was EXTREMELY distracting. I got to the break and let the proctors know. They didn’t seem like they knew what to do. I was placed into the lobby for 30-40 minutes. At that point I had no clue what was going to happen. They then put me into a different room and I completed the second half. I requested a makeup test but it was denied.

Of course I don’t know I scored poorly, but I’m pretty sure I did. Trying to do RC with the sound of water hitting the desk right in front of me was maddening. I think I had to guess on the last 5 questions or so because i kept having to go back and read things. This will count as my fourth attempt. I got a 167 on my first last September but scored lower the next two months. I kept studying but at this point the exam is negatively affecting my life. I am so… negative. I can get a whole RC passage perfect, but my thought will be “should have done it faster, too slow, you wouldn’t have finished this passage if it were the real test etc”. Get an LR question wrong? Spiral begins. I’m stupid, I’m gonna screw up on the real test blah blah. I have 1 attempt left to reach my goal. I don’t know if I can handle failing to reach it. I have no new material left to study. I’m 30 years old, I can’t (won’t) wait 5 years to take the test again.

I know this was a bit of a rant but guys I really am lost. Do I keep pestering them for a makeup? Do I try and appeal for a sixth try?

I know so many people come to the timeline to talk lsat or admissions, but this is a genuine question do yall ever feel like your brain gets too obsessed with this process. I try my best to keep balance in my life between studying and writing essays, but my god man this process just keeps consuming my thoughts. Even when I’m working out at the gym I’m thinking about lsat, when I’m on my phone watching YouTube I’m thinking about my personal statement, or when I’m waking up in the morning the first thought is about lsat. Not that I’m stopping my motion or anything but I am just getting a little too stressed and pressed about this process, my thing is does this feeling carry itself into law school, or does it kind of fizzles out once your in school and your working towards your career, because I can’t wait until the apps are done and my scores are settled because I’m ready for my brain to have a break and to start working full time again, given I stopped working when I was getting serious about applying this cycle. I don’t know if you’re feeling this way or if anyone who’s in law school has advice I just find myself stressed these days and I just wanted to rant for a quick second.

Looking for a study partner I’m registered to take the November lsat. I really need the help😭 I’m free anytime currently in PST time zone(California). I want to do a pt or section everyday then review it after, I switched from lsat demon to 7Sage but I still have the remaining month for demon. Msg me