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That definitely wouldn't have ended well...for Conquest
One of the few times in his life Conquest actually thought through.... I think he had a VERY good Idea about what Thragg is in comparison to everyone , now him thinking of throwing hands kinda fits because he was an outlier among them BUT Thragg was made for the purpose of growing the Empire yk he is bred to be the strongest.
Yep albeit they don't decline that fast , but yeah probably...also scourge didn't recuded his strength permanently I think , during that only & he lost his limbs on Ragnar world during that as well
Makes sense. Yeah. But I really wonder how big the strength difference is. I it can't be more than 10 times right? Maybe 3 times stronger? Or Double? I don't really know how large the gap needs to be for Thragg to dominate in the way he does.
Makes me think about how the 2nd mark vs conquest fight could have been better explainable if mark first destroyed conquests artificial arm and then choking him, that'd have given us viewers a better reason how mark managed to choke out conquest. Because now he only has 1 arm to actually do something and it would show mark found conquests weakness, his arm + he likes to play around and mark actually used a srategy to defeat him.
No diff means you literally don't take any damage from a character. Thragg took damage from Kregg Anissa and Lucan which means he at best low diff these three (in 1v1), at best mid diff peak conquest.
That's not even how fights work in real life. It's not merely a simple 1 + 1 +1 + 1 = 4 and 4 = 4 so that means 4 - 2 is equals to 2. You claim that 0 = no diff, 1 = low diff, 2 = mid diff, 3 = high diff, and 4 = extreme diff.
But even powerscaling itself tries to be more nuanced than that simpleton of a claim of yours, hence they have concepts such as "extreme-mid diff", "extreme-high diff", "mid-low diff", "low-high diff", etc.
It's like you're claiming that you've somehow managed to do the math as if you have a comprehensive detail of the power level of said viltrumites, when there isn't.
That's not what I meant. I meant 1. if you hurt a character that character can't no diff you
using this logic Thragg can't no diff Anissa Kregg or Lucan, so it would at least low-mid diff for Thragg to beat peak conquest since conquest is massively stronger than 3 of them in 1v1.
And due to that fact, things get even a lot more complicated due to its dynamism. One fight scene shows a top tier character get hurt by D-tier characters while the other scenes show they could sustain blows from other D-tier characters… or could even get hurt by objects that's not expected to hurt them or manipulated by powerful beings. I can show you a crap ton of examples for this, so just say the word.
That's pretty much what he wants, Conquest is the most loyal soldier to the Viltrumite Empire which is why he he didn't go through with it since he respects the Grand Regent
Yep & also he knows it won't end well for him & also I think Thragg didn't initiate it because he knows how strong Conquest is...any other soldier would have been killed by him straight up
Everybody in this comment section is severely under-estimating how strong Thragg is. Conquest would get absolutely bodied. Maybe get a few good hits in bc Thragg would allow it, but that’s literally it.
Conquest tied with battle beast while thragg nearly lost to him, from this we can assume that thragg is stronger than battlebeast and conquest is around equal to him. So it is NOT low diff or even mid diff
Thragg was severely injured before his fight with battle beast. I know BB also injured himself, but Thragg was not 100% going into this fight. I don’t think it’s fair to hold too much against him given there was so many other factors playing into this fight.
You can’t tell me you’ve watched/read every scene Thragg has been in, and seen every scene conquest was in and tell me they are even close to each other’s strength.
Thragg ate full power punches from Mark and Omni man and barely even flinched (if it all). Mark was landing full power punches on conquest and dealing actual damage. The power scaling is all sorts of wack in this comic, but it’s pretty obvious Thragg is levels above even the strongest in his army.
I’m hesitant to even call it mid diff. I’m leaning more towards low-mid diff. Idek if that’s a thing, but I’d imagine it to be rather easy for Thragg to kill Conquest.
Marks' strongest punch barely fazed Thragg, and he could barely hold a candle to Conquest a few months beforehand. Imagine the power gap between Conquest and Thragg when considering that. Also this was before Conquest lost his Arm and Eye so it might be fair to say that he wasn't as feared here
Conquest lived so long as a Viltrumite he was absolutely tired of the Viltrum Empire he probably wanted to die. Being a viltrumite just sounds miserable and you spend 5000+ years as one.
Now I'm not saying in any way that Conquest would come out victorious, but I think he'll definitely give Thragg a run for his money. He wanted to dare himself and Thragg so bad so as to have the time of his life, as it's evident that nobody really stood a chance against him.
What made him back down is that apart from being slightly outmatched, he reckoned that the results would even be more one-sided as he sensed that all the other viltrumites within his vicinity will intervene. It would no longer be considered a duel as it would likely end up being a lynch mob. Attacking Thragg to a duel would also mean further isolation from his comrades if the former chooses to spare him.
And may I just mention that Conquest wasn't trying to usurp Thragg here. As I said, he literally just wanted a challenge. I'm sure Conquest knows that he's incapable of leading.
4 vs 1 is different from 1vs 1 , Conquest is stronger but not by a really wide margin & he's a Beast yk not actually a great fighter & I think those 4 are better fighters for sure
Conquest is stronger but not by a really wide margin
If that were really the case, then that would greatly undermine the narrative, which always acts as an arbiter or final authority in terms of confirming or affirming whether a claim is true or not.
Conquest wouldn't be "feared" by individual viltrumites especially those on the top brass if the power or skill gap between them operate on comparable terms — that is literally claiming that even if the odds are against one of them (Nolan, Anissa, Lucan, Thula, Kregg), they would still have a decent chance of defeating him even if they lose most of the time.
Have you been jumped in real life? You could get jumped by four bums and struggle even if you’re a trained fighter who could beat any of them easily in a 1v1. Numbers are an incredible advantage
Individually they had a better shot than Mark vs Thragg.
War Woman and Red Rush did a decent amount of damage. In fact the suprise went two ways as the guardians very well could have killed Nolan if they weren’t in shock, but each individual could at least damage Nolan which isn’t the case for Mark v Thragg (yet).
Exactly this! This is why I always claim that power scaling almost always becomes redundant or irrelevant, as it does always turn against the argument for itself.
True, letting Conquest live further serves as his punishment. He knows that no matter how many civilizations he takes over or how many battles he comes out triumphant, Conquest would never win the hearts of his companions.
But that's something powerscalers wouldn't understand. For them, everything about the show or primarily, are just actions, and explosions, and fantastic feats.
Not a clever reply you think it is. This is why I consider powerscaling a massive brain rot. It's not like it's the most destructive move in the show. We've seen Thragg decapitate Thaedus without a need for huge shockwaves. We've seen punches from other viltrumites immediately incapacitating other viltrumites without producing shockwaves as well. And we've seen that the only damage that "vortex punch" you call is only minor internal bleeding to the site of the strike.
My point is If tht punch had enough force to drag in Nolan and send him into outer orbit itll do the same too conquest.
If Conquest was already Sizing Thragg up and decided it wasnt worth it Then in a reality where he decides it is. The Vortex Punch Puts him in Check. Now if youd like to say Conquest would recover, Fly back, and still be aggressive. if its of the setting in which they are finishing the purge Thragg would command the rest of the Viltrumites too attack him in which they overwhelm him with thragg dealing the final blow.
And if its in a 1v1 setting Thragg would continue to lay hands on Conquest w/ thragg goin for punches and rips as he does against thaddeus and nolan. And Conquest Dealing damage but not enough to stop Thragg before he shreds through conquest durability espescially if Thragg repeats the Vortex Punch.
Ik that , I'm just saying Conquest thinking through & not just jumping in because he usually does & wins shows that he knows sometimes that it's not worth it yk..... that's why he lost to Mark because he didn't consider him a threat
I don't know that they would, though it's possible.
I'm sure they would spit on his corpse afterwards, but it's a "strongman" society, and Thragg is Mr.Strongman himself. I don't think Thragg would want or accept protection from Conquest by "lesser" Viltrumites, because him even having the perception of weakness goes against his entire ideology and image as a ruler
Conquest was the second strongest of them. I think Thragg would want to handle it himself. Really leave zero doubt in anyone's mind that he's top dog
That & Thragg didn't initiate it as well yk any other Viltrumite would have been killed by him but he gave Conquest a warning because he knows how strong he is & Conquest knows how strong Thragg is
I also wonder how much of a companionship can you have with Viltrumites that he felt he was slighted? They seem like such hard asses it feels almost like Conquest picked up these feelings from experiences with other alien races. Every Viltrumite feels lonely. If you're weak other Viltrumites will just stomp on you there's no friends there at all.
He clearly was , no one is as strong as Conquest... only Thragg surpassed him.
Mark beat him because Conquest didn't take him seriously until the last moments in their battle , Mark knew he can't win in a fist fight straight up & that's why he decided to choke him and even then he was almost killed by Conquest.
While Thragg most certainly would win. People don't give Conquest enough credit. And also people say the other viltrumites like Thula preparing to help had no impact on Conquests decision. It most certainly did. Because you're not just about to jump someone you might already think is stronger than you, but everyone else around you is gonna attack you as well. It's gonna be a 3v1 then. And one of them you already think is stronger than you. It's just overkill.
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u/Flare_of_Power 1d ago
Even a cold-blooded barbarian like Conquest knows there's someone always stronger than him.