Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S04E08 - Don't Leave Me Hanging Here

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Episode 8 - Don't Leave Me Hanging Here

Mark confronts his darkest fears as his life changes forever.

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[u/squidlaw920]

Thragg: Fucking your people shall be our salvation

[u/McDonaldsSoap → u/squidlaw920]

I wonder what kind of father Thragg will be. Seems like we barely scratched the surface of his mind

Also Lucan has to host some kind of game show. C'mon 

[u/squidlaw920 → u/McDonaldsSoap]

Thragg probably ends up loving his kids tbh

[u/musaraj → u/McDonaldsSoap]

>Also Lucan has to host some kind of game show. C'mon

That's how he's hiding.

[u/birdy810]

Honestly, Thragg is very reasonable here.

[u/Random_throwaway0351 → u/birdy810]

Still an impossible choice for Mark to make, knowing that once the Viltrumites regain their numbers they’ll just start conquering trillions again. I still feel like he made the most reasonable choice in the moment

[u/mrspinurhood → u/Random_throwaway0351]

Yeah mark honestly had no other choice, thragg doesn’t give a fuck he would’ve torn the planet to pieces for what they did to viltrum.

[u/HotTakes4HotCakes → u/mrspinurhood]

I actually don't think he would.

I haven't read the comic so I have no idea what's actually going to happen but I have a suspicion that Thragg is looking for more than just breeding stock.

I think he also wants a home, not a vacant rock. Not only did he lose Viltrum the planet, their entire culture is gone. He may find earthlings beneath him, but maybe he's just come to accept that Viltrum is done and his people are basically extinct, so he's willing to assimilate now and then eventually take over. A fresh start, and a new civilization to raise up.

Nolan assimilated with Earth and seemed happy about it, afterall. An afront to Vitramite culture, sure, but he was happy, and produced viable offspring, so maybe there's something to this planet that's worth investing in.

He also probably understands that in terms of potential offspring, it wouldn't be a good idea to harm humans too much. They're an important resource now. 37 Viltrumites is too small a gene pool, and he wants a nice, sizable, diverse population of potential humans to counter that.

[u/Reggiardito → u/HotTakes4HotCakes]

I love this take. I also haven't read the comic, but thragg definitely seems less cold than he initially seems. A very interesting character for sure.

[u/Daxx22 → u/Reggiardito]

He's just not stupid. As he stated, it's either mutual survival, or mutual destruction (for now).

That said the obvious long term outcome is if they are allowed to breed and build up numbers, it won't matter how much these 37 "assimilate" they or their offspring would eventually be a major galactic threat once again. It's an interesting juxtaposition with the "Nolan's Redemption" storyline: it's showing that they can change/rehabilitate, but can the galaxy at large really take that chance? The "intelligent" bet is no.

[u/Wraithfighter → u/Random_throwaway0351]

Especially since, well, he didn't get his powers until he was like 17-18. The situation isn't great, sure, but Earth has close to two decades to figure out what to do before the Viltrumites get any reinforcements.

[u/LADYBIRD_HILL → u/Wraithfighter]

And that's assuming they don't make the same decision Mark made to protect humanity.

[u/Judgejudyx → u/Random_throwaway0351]

Yeah not to mention Marks going to want to fight back regardless. If he tries right now he instantly dies and nobody knows. He only has everything to gain saying yes then breaking the deal later. Still a fucked up situation.

[u/Fornad → u/birdy810]

The interesting thing here is that Thragg doesn't appear to have considered how human society turned one of Viltrum's greatest soldiers (Nolan) into a 'traitor' after only two decades.

I suppose he doesn't have much choice either if he wants to save his people, but the chance of a few more Viltrumites turning against him in favour of their new families feels high.

[u/GOT_Wyvern → u/Fornad]

I would imagine Thragg internalises the issue as something incredibly personal. That Nolan betrayed the Empire not because he's changed, but because he choice his family over the Empire.

The solution, therefore, would have just been to allow the families Viltrumites form on Earth to be sparred and protected.

[u/Corrupt_Arrow]

Man that thragg shit with debbie scared the SHIT outta me

[u/BarongChallenge → u/Corrupt_Arrow]

I fucking hate that eye pop from Eve.

[u/Fidges87 → u/Corrupt_Arrow]

The Cecil one was the one that scared me. It was near the end of the episode so I thought they were setting up multiple fake outs, only for the last one to be real (was right on this, but miscalculated which would be the last one).

So I was expecting for Thragg to really kill Cecil, and use the last 10 minutes for a big action piece like the show got used to.

[u/williamasmith7233]

Lmao man imagine Conquest trying to blend in on earth.

[u/Structor125 → u/williamasmith7233]

well he is capable of so much more, and no one sees it

[u/SomeShiitakePoster → u/Structor125]

Now I'm kinda sad he didn't make it to live in his human era

[u/DrScorcher → u/williamasmith7233]

"I am so happy. All the other humans like me! Everyone talks to me, everyone wants to be my friend; They think I am amazing! I am proud of my success... Carl. I even get a cool name!"

[u/FlamingUndeadRoman → u/williamasmith7233]

[u/Frankocean2]

Nolan with an internal (FUCK YES) after he heard about Paul

[u/metalflygon08 → u/Frankocean2]

I wonder how Oliver's going to take it when he finds out?

[u/gold-pink-blue-green → u/metalflygon08]

Paul is a sweetie pie, if Oliver ever wants to go back to earth, I’m sure he’ll still cook for him

[u/DoctorJJWho → u/gold-pink-blue-green]

My first thought was “but Oliver’s favorite meal is Paul’s homemade spaghetti and meatballs!!” Then I realized Paul would make it for Oliver whenever he wanted because he’s just that awesome.

[u/johngie]

Those far away shots of Thragg and Mark against the clouds looked so good.

[u/Random_throwaway0351 → u/johngie]

They’ve always cooked with the background/scenery, imagine they were able to have this level of lighting throughout 😮‍💨

[u/Structor125]

Thaedus died just one time and decided his billions to one KD ratio is still unacceptable

[u/FantasticTurn4212 → u/Structor125]

He wants to farm assists through Alan.

[u/iChoosePokemon → u/Structor125]

Lmfao he's a true gamer

[u/UpstateJoe]

I’m surprised that Mark did not mention how he bumped into Conquest during his travels…

[u/GladBoard → u/UpstateJoe]

that was like 4-6 months ago and not really his main thought process lol

[u/Eleeveeohen → u/GladBoard]

Everyone got high on "Cecil is a big dum dum" memes over the last year, and had their proverbial climax ruined by the story having bigger issues.

[u/Creative_alternative → u/UpstateJoe]

He killed conquest. He has no chance against thragg. Put a lot into perspective for him.

[u/BarongChallenge → u/Creative_alternative]

I really find it funny, and honestly sad? How Mark's full force punches didn't even make Thragg flinch. and HE'S the strongest being in that planet. Feeling like literal ants against a giant.

[u/Ellefied → u/BarongChallenge]

And those punches were heavy! They specifically animated impact frames for those punches and Thragg just shrugged them off. Mark had no chance in hell against Thragg.

[u/affinitydrive → u/UpstateJoe]

He had a lot more on his mind at the moment

[u/InfernalBonobos → u/UpstateJoe]

Thragg beat out any Conquest-related trauma he had

[u/AdmiralFoxythePirate]

Kreeg as a biker LMAO

[u/JJonah_Jamesonn → u/AdmiralFoxythePirate]

bro landed on earth first thing googled how to be cool on earth

[u/McDonaldsSoap → u/JJonah_Jamesonn]

Maybe it was Terminator style. just happened to land next to a total stud and stole his looks 

[u/CaptainFart22 → u/JJonah_Jamesonn]

Nah they all just magnetized to him like Thor calling his hammer

[u/Federal_Bicycle_7800 → u/CaptainFart22]

no money, no understanding of human culture, can't use his powers, dude just got that dog in him

[u/Sameul_ → u/Federal_Bicycle_7800]

No money is such a funny point. Just a bunch of broke, shifty motherfuckers wondering around in stolen clothes trying to rizz their way upward.

[u/Cvspartan → u/AdmiralFoxythePirate]

Man it must be crazy to be a Viltrumite in hiding and having to restrain yourself all the time (like when Anissa was getting catcalled)

Like even using 1% of your power would accidentally kill someone

[u/BarongChallenge → u/Cvspartan]

Also to hold back from your "All is Ours" superiority complex.

[u/adammoon111 → u/Cvspartan]

Parallels to Greek gods walking among humans

[u/charliekirksface → u/AdmiralFoxythePirate]

I need

your clothes

your boots

And your motorcycle.

[u/Librask → u/AdmiralFoxythePirate]

"This smoke stick is amazing. What did you say it was called?"

Kregg in the season 5 premiere rushing into a store:

"500 cigarettes!"

[u/Efficient_Profile_37]

They always cook so hard with the Debbie-Nolan conversations

[u/SIacktivist → u/[deleted]]

Sometimes I'll go "oh, Mark's the GOAT" or "oh, Tech Jacket's the GOAT" or whatever else.

Always wrong. It's Debbie. Debbie is the true and uncompromising GOAT and the most powerful being in the Invincible universe.

[u/ImprovementRemote30]

"I can only assume since I was gone we have not achieved that goal" - Thaddeus was definitely going to kill Nolan and his sons then himself

[u/Delicious-Physics218 → u/ImprovementRemote30]

I do like how they make it clear Thaedus isn’t this paragon of good who is always picking the ethical path. He is a realist who would rather kill all of his kind and then himself than risk the smallest chance of another innocent world being destroyed.

[u/HungrymanH → u/Delicious-Physics218]

he is basically just a space version of cecil

[u/Eleeveeohen → u/HungrymanH]

Spacil

[u/raknor88 → u/ImprovementRemote30]

Also, did he basically say that since humans are so genetically compatible with Viltrumites that Scourge 2.0 will wipe out most, if not all, human life as well?

[u/LMkingly → u/raknor88]

Yeah that's what he said. Humans are too genetically similar to Viltrumites. The perfected virus would wipe them out too.

[u/HentaiHerbie → u/LMkingly]

May* wipe them out. They do not know for sure but heavily suspect

[u/Scarletsblood → u/raknor88]

Not just humans by sounds of it. "Those with similar genetics. Mark's people, for instance." Very likely it could affect other species too its just humans are the most similar we know of.

[u/cava-lier]

Anyssa landed on Earth and instantly got catcalled bruuhh 💀 Earth is fucked

[u/Neat_Suit3684 → u/cava-lier]

Surprised she let that go lol. I can see her breaking a dudes hand for being well handsy. Lol

[u/SomeShiitakePoster → u/Neat_Suit3684]

Probably strict orders from Thragg not to cause any sort of scene that might give them away, but yea if it went further than a word and a whistle I think she would definitely find a way to make them pay

[u/Scarletsblood → u/SomeShiitakePoster]

She's also basically under orders to breed with humans. Tearing off limbs is not conductive for that, yes the potential mates are pathetic but quantity over quality is only chance Viltrumites have now.

[u/rainbowyuc → u/Scarletsblood]

This plan is a pretty bad deal for the female viltrumites. They have to carry a baby for presumably 9 months. The guy viltrumites can just fuck and gtfo.

[u/DreadY2K → u/rainbowyuc]

Presumably the men need to stick around in some capacity to raise them as Viltrumites. Otherwise, they'll be just humans with powers and probably not suddenly go along with some alien empire.

[u/whousesgmail → u/DreadY2K]

Yeah even if the kids grew up shitty and became villains with their powers, they still won’t be Viltrumites which kind of defeats the purpose.

Although Nolan clearly did a terrible job raising Mark as a Viltrumite, he was clearly too good of a normal father lol

[u/Alt4816 → u/whousesgmail]

Nolan didn't know that Mark would get powers so he basically raised him as a human and taught him that viltrumites were nice.

I imagine that Thragg will order the new children to be raised as viltrumite supremacists.

[u/amdrunkwatsyerexcuse]

Kregg takes his orders very enthusiastically.

[u/ryancarton → u/amdrunkwatsyerexcuse]

Way easier for the dude viltrumites to repopulate the race than the girls. Wonder how the women would even pick?

Also not to be weird but I hope that difference is actually relevant. I think Mules are made when a female horse breeds with a male donkey, and something else called a Hinny is made when it’s a female donkey and a male horse. Different animals, technically, with different strengths and features.

[u/Richestuser16 → u/ryancarton]

There are 2-3 grannies of Viltrum on earth too.

Wonder who cracks them

[u/Trezzie → u/Richestuser16]

If I must

[u/Sarcastic__]

Kinda wild Mark went to Eve's parents place and decided to bang immediately

[u/AdlerSanRZ → u/Sarcastic__]

Bro needed a better mental image than thragg

[u/Connor_Piercy-main → u/AdlerSanRZ]

Oh nah he still had the mental image of thragg during.

[u/BetterFallBrawl → u/Connor_Piercy-main]

“I’m not impressed.”

[u/Critical_Mountain851 → u/Connor_Piercy-main]

Thragg watched from the chair

[u/volinaa → u/Sarcastic__]

I mean did you see her

[u/Athesies → u/Sarcastic__]

They are only human lol. Some things are hard to months without

[u/vvddcvgrr → u/Sarcastic__]

I mean that is how the baby boom happened right

[u/Fun_Handle_1459]

Bro mark is so mentally fucked up holly shit

[u/Faoeoa → u/Fun_Handle_1459]

He's been disemboweled like three times within a year let him have it

[u/AccomplishedDish3386 → u/Faoeoa]

And had his eyes nearly gouged out

[u/raknor88 → u/AccomplishedDish3386]

I'm pretty sure that his eyes actually were gouged out. Viltrumite healing is just that good. Plus the Coalition actually uses doctors.

[u/UpstateJoe]

When it comes to humans, Kregg is more open-minded than Anissa

[u/Lil4ksushi → u/UpstateJoe]

Man Kregg basically said "if I get mandatory vacations might as well enjoy it" lol

[u/AndyTheSouless → u/UpstateJoe]

Bro learned about redheads and turned into Earth's biggest fan

[u/CampbellsTurkeySoup → u/AndyTheSouless]

He suddenly understands Mark.

[u/Sunshinesurprisetea → u/UpstateJoe]

I enjoyed the juxtaposition between Anissa and him with these scenes. Anissa being turned off, looking out of place, and then Kregg adopting human culture with seeming ease, women and cigarettes.

[u/medney → u/Sunshinesurprisetea]

Kregg upon discovering nicotine:

https://giphy.com/gifs/qOSNC24lvEWTzplsJJ

[u/Sunshinesurprisetea → u/medney]

https://giphy.com/gifs/H1zM6t7Zqi1hK

Kregg driving out of the dealership with a Harley. Mans loves earth. lol

[u/____mynameis____ → u/Sunshinesurprisetea]

Its simple men vs women experience. Coming from a seemingly gender neutral society, that sexism and patriarchy is gonna turn her off sooo bad, something Kregg doesn't have to face.

[u/Random_throwaway0351]

Love how in the end both Mark and Allen are faced with impossible trolley problems. Mark made his choice, and now we have to see what Allen does.

Mark chose to save humankind at the cost of saving the Viltrumites, Allen has the choice to end the Vultrumites but possibly humankind as well. What an insane cliffhanger, SO excited for season 5

[u/MrBrownCat → u/Random_throwaway0351]

I can already tell Mark “allowing” the viltrumites to stay and breed on Earth will put tons of doubt in Allen’s mind of if he should kill Mark, Oliver and Nolan.

[u/RaikOnFire → u/MrBrownCat]

I mean allen is quite reasonable and will surely understand that mark didnt really have a choice right?

[u/Caidezes → u/RaikOnFire]

He likely will, yeah, but everyone else won't. And he can only shut the rest of the coalition out so many times.

[u/guanzo91]

I did not see the Thragg twist coming at all, that was a brilliant move. It deescalated the war in the short term but massively escalated the Viltrumite threat in the long term. It's like the biggest and longest ticking time bomb ever. Bravo Thragg (and the writers).

[u/wardengorri → u/guanzo91]

Seriously though, no clue how the confrontation between them was going to go and the way they did it was really fascinating. Although he's seen the product of assimilating with humans as successful through Mark, he seems to miss the potential of it changing them too.

[u/SisFisto → u/wardengorri]

I mean, it’s Thragg. When the viltrumite numbers reach adequate levels again he will initiate The Purge 2: Electric Boogaloo which earth with NOT survive. He will root out any changes.

[u/Arbaces]

"You're very fucking trying right now!"

 

PTSD from my mum saying that to me haha

[u/Fhaksfha794]

Kregg literally wasted no time lmao

[u/RadicalEnigma → u/Fhaksfha794]

Bro found biker babes and Levi jeans. He'll fold like a paper towel.

[u/EmuMan10 → u/RadicalEnigma]

He’s going to feel appreciated for the first time ever and fold

[u/RadicalEnigma → u/EmuMan10]

Conquest became Carl. Now we got General Kregg... I mean Craig, the new guy riding with the Black Pistons MC. Dude's got an '08 Softail that purrs like a kitten and burns like hellfire.

[u/Siegberg → u/Fhaksfha794]

Kreggs first vacation in forever give him a break.

[u/Happysnark → u/Fhaksfha794]

Anissa, on the other hand, already looks unimpressed with human males. 

[u/Hazzer33]

Mark snapping out of his vision only to see that Thragg really was there was chilling

[u/Efficient_Profile_37]

Such a good portrayal of PTSD, the writers are really cooking

[u/Random_throwaway0351 → u/Efficient_Profile_37]

ESPECIALLY with the way they used it as a bait and switch with Thragg in the end. This story is seriously handled so well, props to everyone involved

[u/The_Throwback_King → u/Random_throwaway0351]

My heart genuinely dropped when Mark's fist made contact.

[u/Designer_B → u/Random_throwaway0351]

I knew as soon as Mark saw him with nobody else around/no triggers it would be real. Excellent build up for it though.

[u/HarryHagaren → u/Designer_B]

For the whole episode I kept thinking "Ok, so this character dying to Thragg is just a PTSD hallucination, I'm worried they'll eventually pull a fake out and someone will die for real in front of Mark". Then throughout the episode all the most important characters died in Mark's hallucinations, so I thought "Ok, is there any beloved character left? Maybe everyone is safe for now".

Then Thragg showed up for real and I felt stupid because he doesn't really need to kill anybody, his sole presence is already scary enough to make the scene powerful.

[u/Happysnark → u/Efficient_Profile_37]

Especially the shifty eyes when he was with Eve. Really accurate. 

[u/The-Meep-Meep-Man]

[u/SeacattleMoohawks]

The wait for season 5 is gonna suuuuck

[u/ajvc15 → u/SeacattleMoohawks]

i’m so satisfied yet itching for more, so many loose ends tied while so many new doors opening. i knew going in that nothing can truly be over especially with how many seasons they plan on making, but man i just want more and more.

[u/Judgejudyx → u/[deleted]]

Everytime Mark was in the middle of an episode. I was on the edge of my seat thinking well one of these is going to end up being real. So therefore I prepared as if each one was real.

[u/Sarcastic__]

Cecil didn't go as hard as Debbie did, but he spit facts for real at Nolan

[u/AdlerSanRZ → u/Sarcastic__]

Nolan really looked like he was rethinking his redemption arc and wanted to just turn Cecil to mist there lol.

[u/raknor88 → u/AdlerSanRZ]

That's my biggest worry too. He's getting so much, very understandable, hate and very little support to try keeping him on the straight and narrow. I think that if he stayed on Earth he might have gone back to full Viltrumite Empire.

Nolan it trying, but it's very hard to wipe out centuries of propaganda and brainwashing in only a couple decades.

[u/Rid2cool]

Lucan went on to host Family Feud and his earth name is Steve Harvey.

[u/AffanDede]

So this image became a reality... He even wears a suit!

https://giphy.com/gifs/LyJ6KPlrFdKnK

[u/manormortal → u/AffanDede]

Mate you're just realizing steve harvey is a viltrumite?

why do you think he's been able to run around free for so long??

Because he's supposedly funny and likeable???

No, because he can kill us off at a moment's notice if he wanted to.

[u/Sarcastic__]

THRAGG'S JUST STANDING THERE MENACINGLY

[u/TinyTiger1234 → u/Sarcastic__]

I like to think he was just like, waiting there for days for mark to eventually run into him

[u/mothtoalamp → u/TinyTiger1234]

He probably assumed any sort of defense network or scouting apparatus would find him and relay to Mark that he was there. Mark just stumbled into him first.

[u/sixteenOk → u/Sarcastic__]

Aura farming like piccolo 😭

[u/Sarcastic__]

THRAGG'S JUST STANDING THERE MENACINGLY, FOR REAL THIS TIME

AND HE'S JUST ABSORBING THE HITS JUST BECAUSE

[u/ImprovementRemote30]

I love Mark wanting to say "No" so bad to Thragg's proposal before eventually having to cave

[u/Cvspartan → u/ImprovementRemote30]

He was truly in a lose-lose

Thragg was correct in saying he didn't have a choice

[u/Abro2072]

kreeg saw harleys, ciggerettes, and denim jeans and immediatly forgot the plot

[u/connerconverse → u/Abro2072]

his nolan moment will be slaying so hard as an eyepatch biker dude that he says fuck viltrum im steve now

[u/Diego_Chang → u/connerconverse]

Saw Space Racer and thought "Hold on, he might be cooking!"

[u/SomberNight]

"you will not hear from me again"

Narrator: They most certainly will hear from him again 😂

[u/The_Throwback_King]

"Nearly die 2,341 more times...and then we can talk"

That's basically what's it's all about. Nolan is doing good work and he's probably the biggest thing stopping Thragg and co. but there's SO much space between where Nolan is now and true "redemption", if that thing is even possible for Nolan.

That relationship with Earth may just be a bridge too far

[u/bipolarondrugs → u/The_Throwback_King]

I think with Invincible people forget that the theme isn't really redemption, because the bad Nolan has done(and others) is just so immense. How can you ever really make up for it? It's radical forgiveness in light of immense self improvement. These viltrumites and Nolan are like 2nd to 3rd generation Nazis indoctrinated from birth. It's so conflicting but that's why it's so spectacular.

[u/Delicious-Physics218 → u/The_Throwback_King]

I also like how it seems like that was the first time Nolan really considered the other people he killed or caused to die, rather than his still selfish thoughts about only hurting Mark and Debbie.

[u/MarieGoldBrand]

Thragg beat Mark's ass so thoroughly he now needs professional help

[u/Aclysmic]

Those hallucinations from Mark freaked me out. That was genuine PTSD indeed…

[u/The_Throwback_King]

The scenes with Debbie and Nolan are like SO fucking good every time. Like the most S-tier of S-tier stuff. I feel like I'm blown away every time.

[u/McDonaldsSoap → u/The_Throwback_King]

Just like in the Fallout show, the more experienced actors steal the show 

[u/The_Throwback_King → u/McDonaldsSoap]

I love that they are letting Debbie and Nolan's relationship have the time to properly breathe. It's not just instant reconciliation.

Debbie is still largely cold towards Nolan but she is remaining open towards him, largely for the sake of the boys.

I'm not sure if they'll fully rekindle things romantically; start totally fresh from square one, or just keep it platonic as they co-parent Mark and Oliver but it's such a refreshing approach.

Either way, they are handling it SO well.

[u/Random_throwaway0351 → u/The_Throwback_King]

The dialogue is ALWAYS my favorite part of the show. Debbie and Nolan, Mark and Thragg, Nolan and Thragg…the fight scenes are awesome but the characters and dynamics are what make this show what it is.

[u/medney → u/[deleted]]

The theadus-socrates beat down to his noggin gave him a concussion and changed his mind

[u/Alespic → u/[deleted]]

I suppose the difference is that Kregg’s relationship is “state-mandated” in a way lol

[u/Amenmose]

Well, not the epic war finale I was expecting at all.  I thought we would see Thrag go HAM against Invincible and co. 

But I guess 1 Viltrumite did die in this episode, by the hands of Eve. Didn’t see that coming. 

[u/sut345 → u/Amenmose]

LMAO why did I laugh at this I’m going to hell

[u/MarieGoldBrand → u/Amenmose]

Cecils on-call abortion clinic now has a higher Viltrumite kill count than Immortal

[u/Efficient_Profile_37]

THE FUCKING VILTRUMITE JUMPSCARES OMFG

[u/ImprovementRemote30]

abortion scene handled well

[u/PositiveZeroPerson → u/ImprovementRemote30]

I'll admit, they had me with the weight gain

[u/AlludedNuance → u/ImprovementRemote30]

I really liked how many times the annoying trope of someone pausing to say something but then not saying anything was subverted recently. People actually having hard, adult conversations because that's much more interesting than just keeping secrets for the sake of drama.

[u/SomberNight]

Dang, They went all out for the opening sequence. That shot of Thragg looming over the earth before flying was sick as hell.

[u/snipeftw]

It’s great to see Mark finally submit to joining the Viltrum empire. It only took 4 seasons for him to think about what he will have in 500 years.

[u/The_Throwback_King → u/snipeftw]

"You, Thragg...I'd still have you"

[u/SupremeFlowBro]

Bro is on Earth for few days or few weeks and he already rizzed up a huzz lmao

[u/SeacattleMoohawks → u/SupremeFlowBro]

The eyepatch adds so much character, who could resist

[u/AdlerSanRZ → u/SupremeFlowBro]

Bro felt a touch of a woman that wasn't a punch or slap and folded understandble.

[u/summer_jams_3 → u/AdlerSanRZ]

something tells me he'd be into that... consentually of course!

[u/Lemonwizard]

They 100% got me with Debbie at the beginning there. I thought she was gone for real.

[u/MisterDuch]

Kregg really came down and instantly decided to be a player, smoke cigs and ride a motorcycle lmao

[u/ThatDeliveryDude]

I just realized that Mark is so shaken with PTSD he didn’t even tell Cecil he ran into conquest again. Dude was really going through it.

[u/RadicalEnigma]

I like how Mark realized Thragg was real, immediately went 0-100 before getting shoved back like a nippy Pomeranian.

Also lowkey almost expected to see Darkblood down there somewhere. You'd think the presence of 37 very, very pissed-off Viltrumites would wake up Satan just from the aura changing.

[u/AllForOnesBrother]

I like the idea with the Cecil fake-out that, to some extent, Mark does genuinely care for Cecil. With how many fake out’s this episode had with his loved ones, thought that would’ve finally been the real thing.

& man. That Debbie fake out? My mouth dropped so far Damien Darkblood probably saw it hit the floor.

[u/queefIatina]

Mark is such a likable and awesome main character, seeing him struggle with ptsd like that actually got to me a bit

Best season of the show for me and it’s gonna be a long ass year waiting for the next one

[u/AdventurousYou3975]

What are these goofballs cecil and sinclair doing ffs

[u/Faoeoa → u/AdventurousYou3975]

This is a portal to ensure Conquest is alive again

[u/farsight2042 → u/AdventurousYou3975]

Trying to rescue Robot and Monster Girl

[u/AllCity_King → u/farsight2042]

Oh wow, just realized the season is over and they’re STILL gone

[u/Agrias-0aks]

Was it implied Scourge 2.0 would kill humans too? It said Mark's people right?

[u/WCRugger → u/Agrias-0aks]

It did.

[u/Both-Efficiency-1780]

I really like that they had Thragg comfort Mark on his decision.  After pointing out the irony of Mark being their savior he could have just flown away and let him stew on his thoughts, but he heard Mark's horror when he said "What have I done".  He could have just flown away, left it there, but he stopped and gave him a reaffirmation that he saved everyone with his choice.  He may be a tyrant who sees other species as we view ants, but he cares deeply for his people (now that they are so few).  Even if Mark is his enemy Thragg cares for him as one of Viltrumite blood, he didn't need to offer him that reassurance, but he did.  It's a nice way to show another layer to his character that we know is there, but hasn't really been shown.  It's a small change, but a meaningful one.

[u/whichwhiles]

Did nobody pick up that Thadeus said that the perfected scourge virus will also kill Mark's people?

So they can't even do a thing like drop the scourge virus on Earth to kill only viltrumites.

Has to be everyone. Hell of a choice

[u/fartsonyourchips]

S5 of Invincible is just Nolan outside on the couch while Kregg bangs his way through Earth.

[u/GameboyAdvDarkness]

I wasn't sure about the pacing at first ,but the multiple panic attack visions started making me tense and worried. I'm actually really happy with how the episode ended up.

[u/spikyraccoon]

Mark what would you have in 500 years?

You Dad, and 10,000 more Viltrumites secretly living on the planet amongst us.

[u/Fundizzy50]

Kinda ironic that the loudest, most violent race in the galaxy, has found a potential salvation, through peace and quite.

[u/Wraithfighter → u/Fundizzy50]

And fucking.

[u/mothtoalamp → u/Fundizzy50]

When Thragg says "you have saved the lives of every living thing on this planet" it sounds like he means the viltrumites too.

[u/DMUrTinyTitsAssFeet0]

5 minutes on Earth, and Kragg is already living it up. My man.

[u/LightThatIgnitesAll]

"He's still processing whatever happened out there"

"How can you tell?"

"Because I've seen that look before."

"Where?"

Might be the worst conversation in the series. William did you just forget what happened to Rick like a year ago and Rick why are you stating rhe blatant obvious.

[u/CaledonianWarrior → u/LightThatIgnitesAll]

Hey, give William a break; he was a completely different person back then

[u/autumna]

I like the contrast between Cecil's conversations with Nolan and then with Mark. With Nolan it's unsurprisingly the clipped approach and wide distance he maintains against a former ally turned enemy whom he knows chose to wreck deliberate destruction, who Cecil has no real reason to believe regrets his actions beyond the pain Nolan caused his own family.

With Mark, despite their differences, they've weathered some of the worst times together, and when it counted most (against Nolan, Conquest), Mark nearly died for Earth multiple times. Cecil softens seeing Mark downcast and in distress, and I don't believe it's entirely an act or manipulation on Cecil's part to close the distance between them and ground Mark by placing a hand on him.

Cecil and Donald are naturally afraid of Mark's power, knowing what Nolan was capable of; but in S3E7, Donald says that the alternate evil Invincibles come from dimensions "where Mark isn't so...Mark," implying they do believe that he is a good person at heart, despite his flaws and mistakes. In S2E7, although Cecil tells Mark he should have agreed to Anissa's demand to serve Viltrum, when Mark affirms that rejecting Viltrum is "more than just words," Cecil smiles genuinely, offering Mark a hand up.

I do miss their brief moments of camaraderie. I know everyone just wants to see the fallout from Conquest, but I think this little interaction between Mark and Cecil in the finale is one of my favorite moments of the season.

[u/HopefulInvestment325]

I don’t blame mark for his decision in the end like genuinely what do you do. He bought time for sure but you can’t just 1v1 him after you saw thaddeus get deleted and your dad that you thought was one of the strongest viltrumites and never seen lose get Swiss cheesed with 1 move. His PTSD didn’t help either but maybe it did?

[u/Shrodax]

So Viltrumite fetuses are NOT

https://giphy.com/gifs/1M9EaG1KiIjUmQPR4X

[u/kainneabsolute]

My man Kregg is not wasting time!

[u/joesbagofdonuts → u/kainneabsolute]

He was like "I see motorcycles will increase my ability to reproduce"

[u/Jetfuel_N_Steel]

It’s sad mark has ptsd, it’s even sadder this is the last invincible Wednesday for a while, hopefully we get news by December. These past 6 weeks truly have been peak.

[u/randomdud3]

Poor Mark hallucinated another Thragg illusion. I bet he’ll disappear the moment Mark’s fist touches him. OH FUCK HE'S REAL

[u/mothtoalamp]

Interesting. Thragg refused Nolan's "agree to terms" speech on Viltrum by invoking Argall but now Thragg is offering Mark terms. Previously Thragg seemed uninterested in doing anything Argall ostensibly wouldn't have wanted.

[u/MattLikesPhish]

I’m just here for Kregg’s arc into a meth smoking biker gang tweaker with a dozen baby mamas.