r/InfluencerLounge • u/loggdforreference • 1d ago
Abby Howard's response to plastic poncho over her infant child....smh
"Mom shame is never cool" is a bold thing to say in response to people commenting on a plastic bag laying over your infant.
Her response is pathetic and does not justify or change how careless and dangerous this is.
Also, why is your infant child at Disney in the rain to begin with š¤¦āāļøš¤¦āāļøš¤¦āāļø
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u/2manyteacups 1d ago
doesnāt help that she was using that carrier very unsafely with that poor tiny baby
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u/Appropriate_Till_663 1d ago edited 1d ago
Baby wearing sub would have a field day with this!! You should be able to see babyās head!!
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u/Imaginary-Series-455 1d ago
The baby wearing sub IS having a field day with this! It was posted there.
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u/Appropriate_Till_663 1d ago
I just went to read and post was locked because of snark. Well deserved snark
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u/tabbytigerlily 1d ago
Exactly. My husband and I have a saying: āwhen in doubt, call me out.ā Itās just a silly way of reminding ourselves that if itās a possible safety or other important parenting concern, we wonāt take it personally. Weād rather be called out by someone looking out for the welfare of our kids. No one is infallible.
What she did was remarkably dangerous, and rather than change her approach, sheās doubling down. Her priorities are not in order.
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u/2manyteacups 1d ago
absolutely. when thereās a literal LIFE ON THE LINE i donāt care what anyone says
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u/madhad1121 1d ago
Yeah Iām not going to shame a mom for not putting socks on her baby when itās a normal temp or having a toddler with a dirty shirt or something. But pointing out an unsafe situation if the kid could die? Thatās not mom shaming, thatās being a responsible human.
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u/FacemaskHell 1d ago
If you don't want people to judge your parenting, don't post your parenting for a living.
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u/Hungry-Association12 1d ago
They cant do that because then they would have to get real jobs they would rather sell the souls of their children
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u/Itchy_Mood6518 1d ago edited 1d ago
This! Reminds me of Acacia Kersey! Literally posting proof of negligence and playing the victim when called out
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u/heathbarcrunchh 1d ago edited 1d ago
Pediatricians donāt recommend covers on strollers anymore especially in the summer because it increases the temperature in the stroller drastically causing heat stroke so her comparison is shit
Edit: they also donāt recommend any type of blanket or muslin cloth over the top of your stroller or car seat
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u/Complete-Tip5919 1d ago
It always made me so anxious when parents would walk in somewhere with a blanket over their kids car seat and just leave it there for awhile.
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u/Mis_chevious 16h ago
It gets soooo hot where I live and extremely humid during the summer and I see people doing this with their babies and it makes me feel suffocated just looking at them.
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u/Left-Oven-6392 1d ago
Iāve always wondered about this. It seems like it would just create a greenhouse effect. How were they ever approved I donāt even understand
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u/Cat-dog22 1d ago
I use mine in the rain, where I live it rarely rains when itās warm. It also has vents on the side for airflow and thereās a lot of room since itās only used when the canopy is extended (think at least 30 cm between face and plastic). Certainly in the sun it would be wildly unsafe
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u/Sammy-eliza 1d ago
Yeah we were gifted one with our first and realised even on a colder day it was getting pretty hot in there and she was sweating. I genuinely thought it was ok and safe and fine to use and feel awful that she was basically in a sauna. Lowkey I feel like not suffocating/hotboxing the baby is something you learn on the first kid though especially with them all so close in age.
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u/Bubble-Master96 19h ago
I think she means like a rain cover? Which I donāt think thereās been any advice against that has there?
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u/mrachal1 1d ago
Sleeveless? But those are going down to her wrists. How can she even be serious right now? Wafting air to your newborns lungs???? Seriously????
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u/loggdforreference 1d ago
Also considering how plastic sticks to the body and other surfaces (including itself) when it gets wet and god forbid she was sweating on her arms even a bit....child is essentially trapped but thank god she was wafting air up to him! ššš can't forget to waft the baby under the plastic!!!
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u/Blindtothesided 1d ago
Why are all these influencers such fucking gaslighters??
And ābabyās okay, I wafted some air his wayā is diabolically stupid.
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u/bronxem3 1d ago
Don't forget these are the same influencers who left their 2 children in a cruise cabin alone while they went to get dinner. They got called out and tried to backtrack and say that's not what happened.
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u/Sammy-eliza 1d ago
I thought they initially said it was a "hack" or something but maybe I'm misremembering. They were saying baby monitors don't work on board and they left one of their phones facetiming the baby or something??
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u/Soggy-Ad9247 1d ago
They did, and she was initially so proud of her parenting hack
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u/bronxem3 1d ago
To be bragging about leaving your young children alone to eat dinner and calling it a "hack" is insane to me.
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u/bonniemcmurray1 1d ago edited 1d ago
When you're doing something wrong, and putting someone in danger, you should absolutely be shamed. That is not like a carrier cover, it's not cloth/breathable. If you're going to force your content upon us and collect money from it, at least think before you act
ETA: I can guarantee she's sweating underneath that, so the baby is absolutely overheating
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u/big-Truck-9058 1d ago
Do you ever go under the blankets in your bed and feel like thereās not enough air? I do, even cloth isnāt breathable enough for my comfort, I canāt imagine being this infant.
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u/Avocado_toast_27 1d ago
Yes, it was raining but still t-shirt temps in Southern California this week.
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u/researchonly55 1d ago
She was wafting air up there, donāt worry.
Like are you fucking kidding me?
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u/Candid_Lynx_8487 1d ago
Sheās ignoring the fact that, not only is the baby under a plastic poncho, but also a hoodie. That baby has 2 layers between him and fresh air.
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u/LSTP_H 1d ago
We actually need more shame in this world
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u/Sensitive-Salary7388 1d ago
This. I love how "it's not cool as shame people" is just code for "don't tell me what to do or make me feel bad about my horrible choices"
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u/Purplecatty 1d ago
Yeah there are parents out there that definitely need to be shamed. This whole not shaming moms (or dads) is ridiculous.
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u/BigBaddieRed 1d ago
They didnāt bring strollers because itās a āhackā to make everything easier. Lines, stairs, everything is slightly less inconvenient for you but significantly impacts the comfort of your children.
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u/lindseigh 1d ago
My back is screaming just thinking about hobbling around Disney with my toddlers sans stroller.
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u/eyespeeled 1d ago
What's another dead baby in the land of social media influencing? These people have one focus, and it's their own narcissistic need for attention, good or bad - babies be damned.Ā
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u/murphy10987 1d ago
A better response was "Hey I heard your concerns and tore a nice big hole by his face so he can breathe better" or "I took him out and put him in a covered stroller/wagon". Anything but doubling down lol
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u/Equivalent-Staff-269 1d ago
Thereās a big difference between a mom not making her kid wear a coat and then saying āoh well, that was your choiceā, when he says heās cold and putting a glorified trash bag over an infantās face. I hate the phrase āmom shamingā because itās usually the most abusive or negligent Ā Ā moms spouting that.
And Abby, you are a negligent mom and a bad mom: you left your 2 year old and 1 year old alone on a cruise ship. And you should be shamed.
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u/AMothWithHumanHands 1d ago
Dude. No. I said in the other thread that there was a seal with the plastic draping over both straps and her neck. Even if her arms were out, that still makes a seal. I outlined it here for people confused.
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u/Any-Board-1043 1d ago
Why would you bring a newborn to Disney anyway? Especially with all the measles outbreaks lately.
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u/lalalary 1d ago
Commenting on a toddler eating chicken nuggets in mom shaming. Snide comments about formula feeding - mom shaming.
Letting someone know they are exposing their child to a suffocation riskā¦ not mom shaming.
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u/TopicSweets 1d ago
IDK man, if you don't want to be mom shamed, maybe you should be a good mom. I'm a parent and know it sucks to be shat on for how you parent, but there's a difference between things like whether you formula or breastfeed and the crazy shit that these parents have done i.e. leaving their son alone in a hotel room so that they could go out to eat by themselves, and posting their children all over social media for clicks/views/money. They have a horrible history of being careless with their children and I feel very bad for said children growing up in this environment.
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u/snowiehair 1d ago
What a jokeā¦. How could she be so dumb to put her baby under that?
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u/influencersgetagrip 1d ago
āWont let it be questioned anymoreā oh how? By no longer posting your children and parenting? Yippeeeeee!!!
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u/tarowm32them00n 1d ago
Im not a mom, but arent the carseat/stroller covers made of Breathable fabrics like cotton? Not occlusive plastic??
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u/BatNo2566 1d ago
Bingpot. Even the rain cover for my stroller is like rain jacket material, not straight plastic
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u/WhileTime5770 1d ago
Very unrelated but Iāve never heard of bingpot before, where does that come from?
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u/recklessmess44 1d ago
shaming moms who are negligent is 100% cool, donāt be a turd and you wonāt be shamedš¤·š¼āāļø
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u/Rosylunelle 1d ago
Iām so glad I stopped watching them. I think everyone should do the same.
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u/Ok_Border2142 1d ago
Influencers āclap backā posts are the most annoying things and doesnāt do what they think it should do.
Theyāre literally putting out these kinda content out there, make money because of their (our) views, honey coated sweetness when they have to beg us to support their ventures aka buy their products but when the same āfansā point out their flaws they get defensive and behave as if theyāre attacked and we are so cruel!! Smh
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u/influencersgetagrip 1d ago
Periodddd! A reasonable adult would say, āomg guys my last story was getting a lot of attention, there were some parts of my rain protection idea I clearly didnāt think through all the way so PLEASE fellow parents donāt make the same mistake I did. Itās actually dangerous and Iāve taken down the photo now to not promote itā.
Itās the responding like a 13-year-old who has some half-baked justification for everything that people are TIREDDDDDD OF!!
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u/cheerio089 1d ago
āMom shame is never coolā girl we were worried about your child breathing chill
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u/Bellaraychel 1d ago
Bringing something you believe is unsafe to someoneās attention is not mom shaming at all.
I mean look at the Kisers. They caused the death of their son and then used that to make more money.
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u/Available-Trade-5970 1d ago
Are these the parents who left their kids alone on a cruise ship or was that someone else
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u/hannbann88 1d ago
So itās not the airflow that is a concern (not primarily anyways) itās that that thing plastic just sucks right into the mouth and nose when you breathe. I bet she wouldnāt tolerate being trapped under plastic
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u/ObsidianLegend 1d ago
Correct response would have been like "I thought this would be adequate air flow but now I understand that it is not. Thank you to everyone who corrected that misconception to keep my child and other children safe." But instead of that, we get "anyone who disagrees with me is shaming me :("
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u/potpurriround 1d ago
Iām just really glad I didnāt have to read a news article about a dead baby at Disney. With survivorship bias, I fear she wonāt learn.
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u/okayspot 1d ago
There's a difference between "mom shaming" and telling a complete idiot that she shouldn't essentially put her baby in a plastic bag.
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u/midnight8100 1d ago
Is it āmom shamingā when youāre putting your child in a situation that could absolutely cause them severe harm (with consequences that literally include death!!!) I feel like mom shaming applies more to situations where the consequences arenāt life or death. Like when people judge moms who go back to work after 3 months or formula feed instead of breastfeeding. Those are situations I think of as mom shaming because a) the children arenāt being harmed and b) every mom has different life circumstances and experiences and thereās no definitive 100% correct way to be a mom! Sheās clearly just using the phrase to make it seem like people are nitpicking her over something minor or inconsequential and downplay the fact that she could have literally killed her baby.
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u/TX_Bluebonnet278 1d ago
She could avoid āmom shamingā if she stopped using her kids for content š¤·š»āāļø
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u/Complete-Tip5919 1d ago
Plenty of airā¦. Poor baby is already hot in a carrier against another human, I canāt imagine how being covered in plastic felt.
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u/Top-Bar-102 1d ago
Is she dumb there is typically no sleeves on a poncho. Thatās what makes a poncho a poncho. Regardless itās such a hazard just because YOU think thereās enough airflow to the baby doesnāt mean there IS, Abby.
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u/ConsistentFun3357 1d ago
No actually shaming bad parenting is maybe the most important thing you can do as a human
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u/Ok_Drive_8379 1d ago
Thereās a picture of them doing this with their other baby where Matt has the baby under the poncho with no ventilation as well from 3 years ago
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u/marissakalyn 1d ago
Itās the equivalent of a plastic bag over his head. There is not a single situation where this is considered safe.
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u/OrdinaryPen4745 1d ago
Why would anyone take a newborn to an amusement park anyways. The best amusement parks we've had are once My kids were teenagers and could ride the big rides. Plus there are so many germs and that baby hasn't developed an immune system , and then this is definitely dangerous, sleeves or not. Doesn't look like any airs going through those sleeves to me.
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u/PsychologicalAd3057 1d ago
Of course the mom that thought leaving her kids on a cruise ship with FaceTime babysitting as a life hack also doesnāt think this is a problem. Sheās is so dense.
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u/Fresh_Bluebird_4691 1d ago
I mean, is it shaming to tell a person not to let their baby suffocate?
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u/Moneysignhoneysign 19h ago
this is why mom influencers need to be cancelled at this point. iām so over the free consumption of child neglect and abuse all across almost every social media app these days. thereās no way you can be a top notch mom while you have to prop up a tripod. if mom content was sloppy and filled with stained tshirts and messy chaotic moments here and there iād be so okay but this picture perfect family image they try to sell while we watch them lay plastic over their faces or in other cases half ass feed their kids, have their kids punching them out of irritation of being filmed AND IN SOME CASES let the father head butt the kids yeah no. wrap it up. our youth is failing. from literacy to critical thinking and beyond. itās time to be real before we are fuxked as a nation fr. we used to be a proper nation of accurate cancellations now we just watch.
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u/SpecialLadyFrenemy 15h ago
That thumbs up with the heart is exactly what my coparent does when he knows heās doing something asinine and Iāve called him out and heās blowing me off.
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u/ROOSTERyouDOWN 1d ago
lol you can clearly see her arms in the sleeves in the original picā¦ nice try
https://www.reddit.com/r/InfluencerLounge/s/G160FzeDsz
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u/Secure-Hand-3518 1d ago
āAir flow. Mom shameā blah blah blah, but she still decided to delete the story. Okay girl.
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u/No_Usual_6123 1d ago
this isnt mom shame - its genuine concern for your lack of safety when it comes to your children. idiot.
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u/pigandpom 1d ago
Unless that baby has nostrils in their feet no amount of airflow around their feet is going to matter. Shes not being mom shamed, shes being told shes an idiot, different things
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u/Acrobatic_Bowl_5539 1d ago
āMom shame is never coolā but when you get so much feedback you have to post about it specifically, itās not mom shaming. Itās however many people all saw this and collectively, instinctually agreed how this could affect your child - before you did.
Take away the explanation and the piece about mom shaming and instead post: āthank you all for caring about my child and pointing this out. I thought there was enough air flow, but in the chance there isnāt, Iām glad to have this advice to follow. Iāve learned from this.ā
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u/periwinkle_e 1d ago
These crappy mom influencers always complain about getting mom shamed. Like maam the common denominator is always your behavior
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u/livelyladymoon 1d ago
These people just never think the worst will happen to them. And I hope it never does, but being so careless will catch up to you eventually.
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u/moon_blisser 1d ago
Stroller covers are not made of thin plastic. Poncho ā stroller cover. Might as well just toss a grocery bag over the kidās head.
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u/corrine49 1d ago
It makes zero sense. That baby is covered in plastic that is sticking to the motherās body because itās wet. I have a pretty high tolerance for risk, but this was absolutely insane behavior and itās because they just arenāt smart people.
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u/Ok-Baby-8051 1d ago
Itās not even about airflow thereās also overheating. Iām a Disney annual pass holder and I hate getting wet so I always bring my poncho on rainy days but MAN does it get sickeningly hot under there
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u/hobbes_theorangecat 1d ago
āMom shame isnāt coolā aka ādonāt hold me accountable for my bad decisionsā
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u/Mental_Studio5747 1d ago
You canāt argue with stupid people. She will never be convinced she did anything wrong
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u/32ozDClightice 1d ago
Ponchos are the most sweat-inducing, non breathable contraptions. I canāt imagine having a human strapped to me under a poncho. Not for the baby or for me!
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u/wineandbooks99 1d ago
Theres a big difference between mom shaming and genuinely caring about the safety of an infant
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u/porcelain_kiss 1d ago
Ive seen this family pop up for many years now. And I have nothing but whole hearted disrespect for them
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u/Charming_Opinion6754 1d ago
Ya take your newborn to a wet š¦ filled entertainment park and let the poor thing sweat for hours . Solid parenting choice
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u/PorcupinePatriot 1d ago
this feels like saying āItās okay! The plastic bag has an opening!!ā if your baby stuck its head in a plastic shopping bag
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u/Mis_chevious 16h ago
I have no idea who these people are. Or how I ended up in this subreddit lol but I just need to say....
OF COURSE they were at Disney. š
That poor baby. It gets humid af in those garbage bags. She definitely belongs in one though.
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u/rayana891 5h ago
I've had enough of moms doing stupid ass shit and asking people not to shame or judge, you're posting your life online but only want good comments gtfo, more of them need to be shamed publicly
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u/Scary_Interview_526 1d ago
Beyond the plastic, why bring your infant to an amusement park with people who have traveled from all over during the beginning of sick season and with all the loud noise? My anxiety couldnāt.
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u/MundaneSugar8690 1d ago
Nah those plastic things are the worst and so sweaty never mind for such a small baby. If she didnāt want the baby getting wet why not a stroller with a safe rain cover on??
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u/AdTime2271 1d ago
Itās crazy bc there is this thing thatās been around for decades calledā¦ an umbrellaā¦
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u/snarkshark41191 1d ago
God, moms like this make the rest of us look like #1 Moms of the Universe š itās honestly scary how dumb some parents are
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u/Formal-Obligation591 1d ago
Ugh god Iām so sick of moms crying āmom shameā at every piece of advice they are given. Not everything said is someone trying to shame you, but others caring about your childās safety.
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u/eastcoastjon 1d ago
She is wafting air? Really? Maybe just let the baby have some open air instead
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u/anonperson96 1d ago
This honestly makes me feel so sick. I hated babywearing because I was constantly paranoid about my baby overheating or not getting enough air, and that was in the open being checked on every 30 seconds and taken out after 5 minutes because I just couldnāt do it. This is disgusting and I want someone to take her baby and give them to someone safe. Canāt you imagine suffocating slowly and overheating at the same time? The sensory nightmare that would have been š
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u/trexhewson 1d ago
I mean whatās surprising from a mom who left their babies in the cruise ship room unsupervised so they could have dinner
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u/setttleprecious 1d ago
A few weeks ago I was at a football game and it was rainy so they gave out cheap ponchos like that- I was SOOO hot from the humidity inside it. So miserable. I canāt imagine a baby experiencing that.
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u/somnamomma 16h ago
āSomeone corrected me out of love and concern for my kids safetyā - The Mom shame that wasnāt
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u/SlideTemporary1526 11h ago
Well if she finds comfort in that bless her. Definitely still would not put that on over my baby, too restricting of air flow despite āno sleevesā for my tastes. Call me crazy.
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u/Agitated_Papaya2138 2h ago
On a day where weather is predicted to be rainy and wet thatās when you say to yourself āyou know what? Today will be a hotel day for me and baby.ā Not this.
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u/lster944 1d ago
mom shaming is cool when the mom is publicly negligent