r/Homeplate • u/scoutsreportbaseball • 2d ago
20+ Years Scouting
I've spent more than 20 years evaluating amateur baseball players for MLB organizations, and one thing I've learned is that there's often a big difference between what parents and players think scouts value and what actually matters.
Velocity, exit velo, batting average, and showcase numbers are all pieces of the puzzle, but they rarely tell the entire story.
I thought it might be interesting to answer some questions from this community about how professional scouts actually evaluate players.
Whether you're a parent, player, or coach, feel free to ask about tools, projection, recruiting, or what separates legitimate prospects from good high school players.
Happy to share some insight from the scouting side of the game.
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u/NuhUh_JustCuz 2d ago
Are scouts more, less, or evenly looking at high school vs. showcases?
My neighbor isn't planning on his kid playing school ball just travel and expects a scholarship or draft at the end. And I'm in the Little League until puberty path hoping he has a great time in middle/high school ball. Both boys are 11.
Are both paths still legit ways to pursue a dream?
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u/Planetofthemoochers 2d ago edited 2d ago
How important are exclamation points (!) in scouting?
Just kidding. I once heard a scout say the most important thing he looks for is how a player plays catch. Is that true for you? And if so, what do you learn from it?
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u/lithiumcitizen 2d ago
As a non-scout I’d say you get a look to see whether they focus or not, are they consistent and how solid are their throwing mechanics.
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u/coffey64 2d ago
Specifically for catchers: if they are an elite defender (receiving, blocking, controlling run game, call solid games) how important is batting average?
Also, hit for power or contact as a catcher?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
If the defense is elite the bat is just a bonus and not that important. If he can provide any type of offense he can be a legitimate prospect. It can be hit or power, though nowadays power would be preferred.
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u/WoodenWeather5931 2d ago
For a pitcher / does height automatically limit a kids potential?
My son will be a 4 year letterman at a 5A school as a pitcher.
He’s up to 90 mph on his fastball with great off speed.
Problem is he’s 5’8” and doesn’t look like he’s going to get much taller.
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u/111victories 2d ago
Damn Thats quick for a 5 8” kid.. did his throwing look like when he was a kid if you don’t mind me asking? Long toss? Throwing every day?
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u/WoodenWeather5931 2d ago
Yes for sure. He’s always been a hard thrower - even when he was in little league.
Long toss is one of the major aspects to his velocity, and also his durability. He’s never had arm issues.He’s trained with a high level pitching trainer out of Arizona since he was about 14 years old but that has been primarily for the mental side of baseball. The other part of that training is mechanics… getting the most out of his frame.
He’s a 2 sport kid so he has very strong legs
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Not automatically! At 5 ft 8 it would be very helpful for him to do his best at finding ways to increase extension and other aspects that can make his height less of a factor.
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u/pandalover6254 Pitcher (AA) 2d ago
I’m 5’10 and I was throwing upper 90s by the time I was done.
Height matters in other ways, but there are plenty of short kings throwing cheddar
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u/ralanprod 2d ago
My oldest kid played for a team run by Fred Ferreira when he was in high school.
It was definitely an eye opener seeing just how good some kids are once you get out of your own little fishbowl.
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u/patphish 2d ago
Prefer: High velocity, control issues. Low velocity, throws strikes.
Assume both are projectable size wise and RHT.
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Strikes!
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u/Direct_Office_8615 2d ago
Assuming strikes for both. What's more coveted, Command, or movement?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Both are ideal, but will take movement by a tad if we are talking about at least high quality strikes
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u/lickitung5523 2d ago
How important is throwing and catching the proper way- IE, proper footwork, staying in front of the ball- vs throwing hard or with velocity?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Fundamentals are important but they can also be taught! Velocity is important at some point, but does not always need to be a now thing!
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u/lickitung5523 2d ago
I see so many 12U kids that can throw fireballs with either no form or footwork, and no control. They either shot put the ball or throw like Chris Sale without the legs or rotation. They usually tell me “that’s how I do it in travel,” and I just shake my head. I try to teach kids how to dial it back a bit and use proper form to learn control.
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u/NuhUh_JustCuz 2d ago
How much is physical size a factor in the overall math? Is a kid under 6ft just out of luck?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
In baseball height is not a major factor! Jose Altuve is very short!!! Strength, athleticism, and how the body moves is more important than just height.
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u/Comprehensive-You705 2d ago edited 2d ago
Jose Altuve was also overlooked because of his height. He is quoted saying he went back to the combine - tryouts - purposely after not getting a call back to see if anyone would say anything.
What are scouts looking for?
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u/Ok-Worker-4194 2d ago
To the what
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u/AceHyzer 2d ago
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u/meth-head-actor 2d ago
All the little players with the pumped up kicks, better run, out run my bullet
Lolomg
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u/Comprehensive-You705 2d ago
That’s rough. I meant combine - tryouts. Autocorrect kicked in and took the wheel
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u/ElectricSnowBunny 2d ago
How can it not be a major factor when a 5'9" or shorter player is basically an anomaly in mlb now?
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u/sleepingthom 2d ago
The other things OP listed. Just so happens many 6’+ prospects are also stronger and more athletic.
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Plenty of hitters that are not tall. The average hall of fame hitter is 5 ft 11 inches! Also, way more pitchers hovering around 6 ft. Everyone says we want 6 ft 6 or more, but that simply is not true when you look throughout professional rosters.
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u/ElectricSnowBunny 2d ago
It's also 2026, not 1937. Average mlb height now is over 6ft.
I'm not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, I just think it's pretty clear that it's very hard for a smaller guy to be as effective as they once were with the game shifting to a 3 outcome philosophy.
Certainly mlb has a handful of shorter and lighter than average guys that are fantastic players, but it's certainly not normal and plenty of good amateur players are passed over for bigger and stronger players that are less developed but have a higher power ceiling.
In every sport there is sort of an ideal build because those builds have proven to have more success and longevity at the highest levels.
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Bat speed is the highest indicator of power not size.
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u/Emotional-Swing-5483 2d ago
Respectfully, this is an incredibly stupid comment.
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u/RedditsFullofShit 2d ago
I’m not sure why you got the downvotes.
He’s technically right of course that bat speed matters. But ignores what actually generates bat speed or what that physics equation looks like lol.
Being taller and stronger doesn’t guarantee a higher bat speed but it helps the equation quite a bit
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u/ElectricSnowBunny 1d ago
This is such an oversimplified comment. Bat mass also matters, as do a few other factors.
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u/Mountaineer30311 1d ago
MLB average height WAS over 6ft prior to ABS and height inflation. Now avg height is 5’11”.
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u/10xwannabe 2d ago
Issue with pitchers are there are so many 6'6 pitchers who are explosive and have the dexterity to be balanced through a pitching motion for repeatability of their motion.
Agreed it all comes down have a great athlete.
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u/Grynder7 2d ago
What’s an ideal height and weight you look for in a catcher and pitcher ?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Heights generally are not as important as people think. Catchers for sure at some point height can be restricting. Pitchers can come from all heights as well. Height can be a nice bonus, but only if it does not hinder athleticism and the ability to repeat the delivery.
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u/Emotional-Swing-5483 2d ago
What's the thing that parents and coaches most frequently assume, and is wrong?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
That playing in every travel tournament is needed. Or that throwing hard at any cost and any age is that important.
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u/Ok-Demand-9732 2d ago
How did you get your start in scouting? It is something I want to get into but I dont really expect to be paid for it. I want to do it as a hobby but if it opens doors why not. Do you have any resources you recommend. (Standardized forms, books)
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u/Comprehensive-You705 2d ago
Jose Altuve was also overlooked because of his height. He is quoted saying he went back to the combine, tryouts, purposely after not getting a call back to see if anyone would say anything.
What are scouts looking for?
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u/GTR005 2d ago
What’s one thing you see in talents pools outside the US that kids can learn from today ?
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u/lithiumcitizen 2d ago
As a coach from outside the US I would say hunger/drive, and more cynically “cheap talent”.
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u/Objective_Resolve833 2d ago
The talent level for legitimate pro level prospects is significantly higher than many people realize. At what age do legitimate prospects start to separate themselves from their really good but not pro level peers?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
This actually varies quite a bit as well!
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u/10xwannabe 2d ago
THAT, my guess, is the biggest variable in scouting and more difficult they younger the player is in chronological age.
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u/VGSKnight27 2d ago
Very true. There’s a kid at my son’s high school who’s widely projected to be a high round draft pick next year. We have a lot of good kids at the school and at other schools in the area, many D1 committed kids. This kid at my son’s school is miles better than all of them. He’s like watching a cheat code playing HS baseball.
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u/TheBestHawksFan Pitcher/Catcher 2d ago
Who are you a scout for? Do you still work as a professional scout? If no, why not?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Ha, personal questions may have to be reviewed or discussed privately haha. But I will say I am starting a new service that I hope can provide parents/kids insight to their current level and future options. I am doing video evaluations at a reasonable cost that could help with future pathways.
You can check out my first few initial videos on Instagram at: thescoutsreportbaseball
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u/TheBestHawksFan Pitcher/Catcher 2d ago
Do you use ai in your evaluations like you did on your first post? I’m not seeing anything that shows expertise on that page. Sorry, I’ve seen lots of people claim expertise here but not back it up. I’m dubious the things you’re saying in this thread reflect the modern game.
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u/Emotional-Swing-5483 2d ago
What do you think of the biomechanics revolution and places like Driveline and Tread?
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u/PracticalPrimrose 2d ago
My kid is a catcher but still young (12).
He would ask what he should prioritize in his training as he continues to develop?
There’s so much to know and you can’t work it all every day. He (and we) feel a little lost sometimes even with lessons.
(Our school’s HS coach has him slotted to be the varsity catcher as a freshman based on his skills vs that of older peers, mostly due to his ability to block/receive.)
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u/Pleasant_Button8286 2d ago
I’ve seen players show their frustrations at their teammates (I would think this is a big negative), but I’ve also seen players beat themselves up a lot after an error or a strikeout. Are you taking notes when a pitcher throws their hat in the dirt after a personal mistake?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Yes!
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u/International_Rub936 2d ago
Is it a definite never looking at a kid again strike if they struggle with this? I am mom of a 13 year old who has always struggled as a perfectionist. He's good to teammates but bad to himself. I've also been told by his club team and former pros that he is a "prodigal talent" (specifically with respect to hitting, but also a strong pitcher). Since he was 9 I've been dealing with the stress of feeling like my kid is dooming himself and nothing I have done has fixed it (including a year of therapy). He thinks he has it under control now but it's TBD.
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
No talent keeps us coming back to the park. But emotional control is important. It is a good sign that he is a good teammate though.
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u/International_Rub936 2d ago
Thanks for entertaining the question. There is a lot of baseball related social media content out there right now that seems to send the message that even one small wrong move will ruin a kid's future. I've been thinking of cutting this journey short rather than deal with it.
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
No, it is fine to still just be a kid! Emotions are part of it and being on a team surely can help him grow! A lot of athletes are hard on themselves. He will need to find a way to not be so public about it eventually. But he is 13 a lot of this sounds pretty normal.
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u/DryJury3660 2d ago
“Velocity, exit velo, batting average, and showcase numbers are all pieces of the puzzle, but they rarely tell the entire story.”
What’s missing from the story? If you have two prospects with comparable numbers, what’s separates them?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Would need to see the players to tell you that!
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u/DryJury3660 2d ago
Literally? Like if you watch two players with comparable numbers you can tell which one is more likely to go pro by seeing them play?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Yes! Very easily!
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u/DryJury3660 2d ago
Just general athleticism, or something more specific? What about footwork?
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u/UndercoverFBIAgent9 2d ago edited 2d ago
Don’t bother. This person isn’t even giving legit answers to any of the questions.
Every answer is one word, some generic phrase, or a non-committal “it depends”, like it’s some sort of court deposition instead of an AMA.
Just go back and read this chain of comments again. It’s ridiculous.
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u/LnStrngr 2d ago
It's almost as if it's someone trying to crowdsource questions to feed into an AI to produce some kind of document or presentation.
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u/UndercoverFBIAgent9 2d ago
I reported it as AI, but it’s still up. If it is a real person, either they are full of crap or they have some hidden motive as you said.
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
You think I am a bot is what you are claiming? I am confused to why you do not like my answers. Yes they are simple, but answered the question. I was not planning on doing paragraphs
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Hard to do something nice for people nowadays lol. Anyways, you can simply ignore me if you do not like my answers or this thread.
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u/Decent-Ant2341 2d ago
Where do you feel like there is a shortage of position wise? And where are your top 3 events or locations at the youngest age to begin evaluation for progression
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u/GRQ484 2d ago
I'm writing a thriller script about high level high school baseball. Would love to hear a scout's insights. Could I drop you a message to confirm details?
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u/meth-head-actor 2d ago
Like a Michael remix or like a race against time thing. Cause I’d prob take a look at either haha
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u/jstmenow 2d ago
My son can play any IF position, as well or better then any starter. Best attitude on the team, avg to below avg bat and is the best pitcher statically, low 80's, 3.85 GPA, zero college contact. Why would this be?
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u/pandalover6254 Pitcher (AA) 2d ago
I got drafted in 2013 after I begged a scout to come watch me throw a bullpen. He’d been in contact with me while I was at my previous school.
I got kicked off of that team and ended up begging him to come take a look at me. He came down and watched me, then called me on draft day and signed me the next week.
My question is have you heard any other stories like mine? Or anything cool like that at all? I basically disappeared from baseball for a year and my guy JD was my only lifeline. Dude literally saved my life
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
That is a great story, and glad your guy JD stuck his neck out for you.
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u/tangerinenights 1d ago
Thanks for doing this. I have two q's:
1) for pitching prospects who do not make the cut, is it more often a control problem, or a velocity problem? Stated otherwise, what eliminates more pitchers, a lack of control, or a lack of heat?
2) how much weight do you put on mechanics, versus results? If a prospect has an unusual batting stance, or a pitcher has an odd windup, but the kid is getting good results, do scouts care? Honest answer. Assume it's not something that is going to cause injury or damage.
Asking as dad of 6 and 9 yo boys, both in our great town LL, and the 9 yo a pitcher who just made upcoming 10u travel. Pitching in backyard, my instrinct and approach is "Strikes first, strikes second, velocity third." Other coaches seem to approach it as "Max out velocity first, then we'll teach you how to throw strikes later." I'm sticking with my gut for now, but I have no experience or data to back it up, so I'm open to (but skeptical of) velocity-first approaches.
Then you have other dads/coaches who are constantly insisting on strict adherence to some specific kinetic orthodoxy, as if the kid will suddenly become an ace pitcher once he gets his knee/shin angle exactly 90 degrees and supinates his dorsal tibia before releasing flexion in his metacarpal like you told him 1,000,000 times. It always seems misguided when I see a dad barking like that, but letting my kid wing it on mechanics may not be ideal.
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u/Foreign_Scar3052 1d ago
When i was 18 i went to an open tryout camp for the brewers, after batting they asked me what college i was going to and i said i wasn’t planning on playing college baseball was that a hint that i should have pursued college baseball somewhere
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u/Foreign_Scar3052 1d ago
With the draft being 20 rounds now are some guys who sign as undrafted free agents legitimate prospects now?
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u/JackyRaff 23h ago
I heard organizations are trying to quantify intangibles. How far along are they in doing that?
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u/saxophone_colossus 2d ago
How important is it if little Braxton played on a 8U Select team?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Not important!
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u/djfivenine11 2d ago
Give the poor kid a break, they named him after Jonathan Braxton
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u/10xwannabe 2d ago
Well if he turns out to be anything like the goliath Jonathan Broxton of Dodger fame he will do all right. :)
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u/Emotional-Swing-5483 2d ago
What separates legitimate prospects from good high school players?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Tools and athleticism!
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u/Emotional-Swing-5483 2d ago
How do parents underestimate the importance of athleticism. It should be obvious shouldn't it?
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u/Pleasant_Button8286 2d ago
My son taught himself to hit left when he was very little. It was what he was comfortable doing. He’s never had a power swing but has always had great contact. He throws right and even swings a golf club as a righty. Any input on when I should start getting him to switch to his right? Is being a switch hitter a bonus?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Switch hitting is a bonus, but only if he is really good at both sides.
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u/clawingmywayup 2d ago
My son did this too He’s 19 and playing Juco as a pitcher, although he was a very good hitter in high school. He is also a scratch golfer- which is his true love I think. He had much more power hitting right, but a much better OBP from the left side. I wonder if the dominate eye matters? He did a lot of archery until about 12 and your dominate eye mattered for head/eye placement and thus, accuracy.
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u/Pinkpenguin438 2d ago
Can you speak to the importance (or lack therof) of 1) showcases and 2) social media for 8th grade + players with college goals?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Not important!
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u/Pinkpenguin438 2d ago
Can you talk about the scouting journey? Club vs high school teams?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Play high school baseball and choose one or two of your favorite showcases.
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u/Bumblebee5790 2d ago
When do you need to start social media? What is actually helpful to scouts? How and what should the athlete prioritize sharing?
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
Thats a great question! The most accurate video and Information is the most helpful. And show action clips of all phases of the game.
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u/TheMikeyMac13 2d ago
I’m interested to know some of this.
My son’s private coach is a former MLB player and scout, but he never left the minors. He hurt his back and ended up being a scout, and then coached and ran his own travel organization for a long time. He is still my son’s private coach, and travel ball coach. This coach advocates for throwing and playing year round. And says it is stupid to consider taking seasons off.
My son’s varsity high school coach is a former MLB pitcher, playing for the Mets and Mariners, and now returned to the high school he attended. He advocates for arm rest. Stay athletic, do athletic things, but do other athletic things and don’t over do throwing. This coach says if you are really good, the scouts will come to you.
My son is just a hair under 6’6”, 220 pounds and in great condition, is left handed, a 16 year old Junior, and throws decently hard at 86-87.
My son has been in travel ball for years but last year was a terrible experience. My son came off the best season of his life his freshmen year, leading JV2 and then at the end JV1 in batting average, and having a dominant year pitching.
Then in summer ball an old coach (not his private coach) we had played with before in the same org refused to play my son early when he started off hot, refusing to play him at first, perhaps an inning and one at bat per game and took my son from the most confident he had ever been to the biggest slump in years.
So we skipped fall ball, and spent time as a family, and we worked out in a gym.
Then his sophomore year my son was more dominant, leading JV1 in nearly every batting stat, playing every inning of every game at first that he didn’t pitch, and he had the best pitching season to date. 48 strikeouts in 22 innings pitched, an era close to 1, batting average against I think at .135 or so. (Missing fall ball hadn’t hurt him, it seemed to help)
Then my son was promoted to varsity with two weeks to go when we were the five seed and out of the playoffs, at a point when the next loss basically eliminated us. We were playing the number 2 team in the district at home and we didn’t think he would even play, just getting a look at varsity for the next season. Three district games left at this point. Our best starting pitcher, relief pitcher and all district senior catcher had been lost to injury.
So Friday night at home we were up 8-4, then went through a few pitchers and the other team tied it up 8-8 in the top of the sixth with one out, and with runners at second and third they put my son in. And he gave up nothing through the 8th, and we won it in a walk off in the bottom of the eighth. If memory serves 2.2 innings, 5 K’s, one hit and one walk, no runs given up.
Then the next Tuesday we played the same team at their home, and my son was put in for the top of the third in a close game, and pitched to the 7th and finished the game. A few hits and a couple of walks, fewer K’s, but no runs given up and we won. Now we were the district four seed.
Then we played at home for the last district game on senior night but the varsity coach started my son, the 16 year old sophomore. And my son threw a two hit shutout with nine k’s, and the two hits were weak and could have even been caught. Now we are the three seed, in the playoffs.
Week one of the playoffs my son gets the home start and DM me if you don’t believe me, my son threw a perfect game at home.
He pitched ok in the second round, but our team was beaten soundly by a team that was on like a 30 game winning streak and went to the state semi final.
My son was the regional high school player of the week for the week of the perfect game in the playoffs, and was voted all district first team pitcher by the coaches in the district. On two weeks of regular season and two weeks of the playoffs.
Every stat that was really good from JV1 was better for Varsity, (he didn’t bat, but he was nursing a quad strain and couldn’t run well) it was something wild as a parent.
So fast forward to summer ball, his varsity coach tells the private / summer travel ball coach my son is on a pitch count, and is clear with my son. Don’t over throw, don’t go long into games, and don’t get hurt. Then we decide not to do fall baseball again and his private coach is angry, calling it stupid. He told us the season before missing fall baseball would ruin my son, only for him to be great as a sophomore, he doesn’t say that again. He negotiates.
Lower pitch counts, fewer innings in showcases, PO so he doesn’t overdo it with less risk of injury, etc.
To the point:
The varsity coach played some years in MLB, and tells my 6’6” left handed 16 year old not to worry, if you are good the scouts come to you.
The private coach insists you cannot miss travel ball, that it is risky and stupid. (While also acknowledging he needs my son to bring scouts to games so they also see our other players)
How should we handle this next year when summer and fall ball come around for the last time?
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u/shiningdickhalloran 2d ago
A 6'6" 220 lbs lefty who throws in the mid 80s was on JV? Who the hell is making the varsity team?
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u/RepresentativeCat819 2d ago
That was my thought. What is this Varsity squad with a rotation and bullpen full of dudes throwing 90+ and dominant?
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u/TheMikeyMac13 2d ago
It wasn’t that. My son is a starter, he can go a lot of innings, and the varsity coach wanted him to get a lot of innings Freshman and JV1 years to get ready. It also let him be at bats he wouldn’t see on varsity.
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u/Opening-Average-7831 1d ago
My son's HS is like this too. Juniors and Seniors make Varsity. Freshmen are all on the Freshmen team, zero exceptions. Sophomores play JV. My son was a 6'1" freshman throwing mid-80s and he played freshman team, moved to JV for playoffs and got to start for the champsionship game. No one expected that, least of all us. This school NEVER moves kids up.
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u/TheMikeyMac13 1d ago
Our school does, winning is what matters. We had a junior on JV playing first because be wouldn’t play on varsity, he moved up as a senior and sat the whole season.
My son was held back for reps, to get the development he needed.
You know, fewer games on JV2, then some on JV1 at the end of the season. More games on JV1 the next year, then a few on varsity, and he started every inning of every game before he got to varsity.
I’ll take the development, it isn’t a race :)
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u/scoutsreportbaseball 2d ago
The varsity coach is right. Pitchers need to rest their arms sometimes. Playing all year long is not the right move for a pitcher. Scouts will find the talent. And yes do athletic things!
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u/TheMikeyMac13 2d ago
That is what I agreed with as well.
If things continue as they are I figure scouts will be at our high school games.
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u/friendofherschel 1d ago
That was quite a story
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u/TheMikeyMac13 1d ago
DM me and I will show you an Instagram post about my son winning player of the week for the week of his perfect game.
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u/IKillZombies4Cash 2d ago
But no one is going to go watch a kid without eye popping measurables. So if you arent big fast, throw 90, hit 100, no one's coming for you, so those are VERY important to even be in the game.
And of course, at that level of recruitment, everyone has those eye watering raw skills, so its going to come down to intangibles (so that's probably what you mean, and I agree) - but for a HS soph out there who has dreams of playing for another 15 years, numbers get you 'in the door', and you better be weight training and pumping up those numbers,
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u/SlowPraline 1d ago
what if a kid isn't 6' at the age of 12, but is insane middle fielder. do you automatically skip because of size, or is talent still a thing?
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u/SnorkyB 2d ago
It obviously depends on the kid - but have you seen more success with a kid doing multiple sports or a kid who is "all baseball all the time"?