r/GreekMythology • • 23h ago

Question What exactly is Chaos?

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it's where all of creation sprouted (came from),

but what exactly is it?

Like an Abyss/Chasm, or something like an empty void? Or in a way can be similarly seen like the big bang where creation was a lump of mess that took time to form itself?

Does it have any ties with the sea (for the early people who created the myth)? (like Egyptian and Sumerian myth where things all began from the sea)

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u/PlanNo1793 23h ago

It is simply an abyss, a void, and more often than not, it is not even clear whether it should be considered a deity or merely an empty space. Moreover, it is not always the first god to exist—in some theogonies, other gods precede it—and, in most cases, it is not the progenitor of all the gods either. In Hesiod’s Theogony, the other primordial gods—Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros—seem to emerge independently.

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u/TheSuperBunny 22h ago

Omg Eros mentioned

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u/PlanNo1793 21h ago

Do you prefer primordial Eros, or Eros the son of Aphrodite?

Or do you want both? ;)

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u/TheSuperBunny 21h ago

Primordial

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u/MukasTheMole 17h ago

Based opinion

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u/TheSuperBunny 15h ago

I'm an Eros fanatic scholar, of course my opinion is based

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u/RuthlessLeader 20h ago

Chaos is yawning gap of air, not a vacuum as ancients had no conception of it and it's not a lump of undifferentiated matter since etymologically it makes no sense, the actual lump of matter definition came latter. The closest example to it in comparative mythology is Ginnungagap, and like Ginnungagap there are two other contrasting types of regions on either side of it.

Above Chaos/South of Ginnungagap is Aether/Muspelheim, a region of light and warmth.

Below Chaos/North of Ginnungagap is Erebus/Niflheim, a region of darkness and cold.

It does have some connections to the sea in a sense since in the cosmology of the ancient greeks, Oceanus is shown as a parallel to Chaos both in location (In Hesiod, Zeus thunderbolt reaches as high as Aether, as low as Erebus and as far as Oceanus, symbolically Chaos) and as origin(In Homer, Oceanus is origin of all things).

In addition, turning to Ginnungagap, it too can be seen as a primordial sea, since the sparks from Muspelheim meet with the ice from Niflheim to melt into liquid that gives birth to the being Ymir, and Since Ymir must exist in Ginnungagap, Audumbla whose teats he sucks on licks out Buri from the ice, the frozen primordial sea. So all living things in Norse myth come from the Primordial sea Ginnungagap.

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u/AnthoHeraFan 22h ago

Primordial soup, basically

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u/TheSuperBunny 22h ago

You're making me crave soup now, almost as bad as Aristophanes craving pea-soup

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u/AnthoHeraFan 22h ago

Aristophanes loved pea-soup and slandering the gays

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u/TheSuperBunny 21h ago

Especially at the same time!

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u/-idkausername- 23h ago

The word chaos means 'void' and is most likely related to the English word 'gaping'(litt. yawning) It must have been something like a gaping hole of empty

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u/Odd_Hunter2289 20h ago

It's the Primordial Void/Abyss from which everything did not originate, but rather began.

Chaos is both the absence and presence of everything. It is the potential for anything to happen or come to pass—the state preceding the act of creation itself (which is instead embodied by Gaia and the other Protogenoi).

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u/VertellerPaul 21h ago

The way I try to describe it when telling the myth is “Chaos is, at the same time, nothing at all, and everything mixed up.”

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u/ct451t 22h ago

Every period had its own interpretations. From water to air to void and so on. The myths were around before philosophers tried to explain cosmology and write it down.

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u/TheSuperBunny 22h ago edited 21h ago

That's arche/ἀρχή, not Khaos

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u/ct451t 22h ago

In many creation myths the beginning was chaos.

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u/TheSuperBunny 21h ago

You talked about the pre-socratic cosmology.

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u/Marcus_scytha 13h ago

He is talking about interpretations of Chaos from mythology as philosophial archai. Anaximenes interpets it as air, Thales as water, etc.

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u/TheSuperBunny 13h ago

I know, literally what I wrote in another comment

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u/ndoros 21h ago

From my understanding I would like to think it's a mass of shapeless elements containing all the aspects and concepts of the universe.

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u/[deleted] 23h ago edited 20h ago

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u/MukasTheMole 17h ago

My copy of Hesiod's Theogony just refers to it as the Chasm, so I assume that's what the word translates to.

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u/TheSuperBunny 15h ago

That's the specific translation of it, so chasm is kinda correct regarding that

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u/LinkOfKalos_1 5h ago

I mean. What ISN'T chaos?