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[u/AccomplishedKoala194]

I can make out parts like James Renwick, Dairyman, but the other i cant comfortably say i can read it correctly

I Appreciate any help!

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[u/Kementarii]

The M.S. could be Maiden surname in some Scottish records. Is this from a census?

Seems to make sense in this situation:

Francis Jardine was a labourer. His wife was Margaret Jardine, born Margaret Wells.

James Renwick was a dairyman, his wife Helen Renwick was born Helen Byres.

[u/AccomplishedKoala194 → u/Kementarii]

Yes, this a a marriage certificate from scotlands M.S is maiden surname

Using the information from here I searched and found a Ellen Byers marriage to a James Renwick !

[u/Kementarii → u/AccomplishedKoala194]

That'll be it.

Helen/Ellen/Nelly/Nell = interchangeable.

Even Elinor/Eleanor except in my trackings, they tended to be more Irish spellings.

[u/TiberiusTheFish → u/Kementarii]

They should have used her surname instead of his.

[u/Few-Disaster-4222 → u/TiberiusTheFish]

You mean the surname she used in the past, regardless of what she actually called herself at the time of the census?

[u/TiberiusTheFish → u/Few-Disaster-4222]

I mean her name because it is much more appropriate for a dairyman.

[u/ARC2060]

Francis Jardine, Labourer

Margaret Jardine, M. S. Wells

James Renwich,Dairyman

Helen Renwich, M.S.Byres

The M.S. stands for Maiden Surname.

[u/GittaFirstOfHerName → u/ARC2060]

I think this is correct.

[u/HR-Puffenstuff]

Very pretty handwriting.

[u/Wild_Shop_6890]

I don’t mean to cursive-shame, but I was really shocked that this was hard to read, as it’s some of the neatest, prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen.

[u/AccomplishedKoala194 → u/Wild_Shop_6890]

Tbh im getting better at reading it, there was a good amount I could make out, it was the bottom name I was really confused at (Ellen Renwick) I read Ellen as Kevin lol

[u/SummertimeMom → u/Wild_Shop_6890]

It makes me sad that today's young adults weren't taught cursive. Printing a love letter (with old fashioned pen and paper!) just doesn't sound so charming. And do they even have a signature?

[u/OkAAA2425 → u/SummertimeMom]

My granddaughter attends Montessori school and from 1st to 6th grade they have to write in cursive. It’s a dying art in public education and it is so good for growing minds.

[u/Fancy_Lass777 → u/Wild_Shop_6890]

I agreed I was like wow that’s written pretty nicely. There’s a couple places where it’s strained where it looks like it’s faded or it’s a picture or something, but that was not hard to read at all, so I will be guilty with you and in cursive.- shame a little because I don’t mean to be mean about it, but I am surprised.

[u/BirdieRoo628]

Francis Jardine
Labourer

Margaret Jardine
M.__. Wells (can't decipher second initial. G or S maybe?)

James Renwick
Dairyman

Helen Renwick
M.S. Byres

[u/smnytx → u/BirdieRoo628]

I agree with this.

I think it’s M.S. both times, as in Master Sergeant, perhaps.

[u/Unlucky-Meringue6187 → u/smnytx]

It stands for Maiden Surname

[u/smnytx → u/Unlucky-Meringue6187]

Yes, I was simply opining that it was an abbreviation, not initials. I was relatively certain it wasn’t Master Sergeant…;-)

[u/BirdieRoo628 → u/smnytx]

That makes sense. Good call.

[u/dreamsanddistraction]

Is this a Scottish census record? M.S. under a woman's name is likely an abbreviation for "maiden surname".

[u/AdditionalSmile8130 → u/dreamsanddistraction]

I think it’s a marriage record, these would be parents names.

[u/hazps]

Amusing that a dairyman married a woman whose surname means "cowsheds"

[u/Several-Ordinary-376]

Francis Jardine
Labourer

Margaret Jardine
M.S. Wells

James Renwich
Dairyman

Helen Renwich
M.S. Beyers

[u/lucklesspedestrian9]

Cmon, these are too easy

[u/ElevatorBossaNova]

Francis Jardine, Labourer

Margaret Jardine, M.S. (?) Wells

James Renwich, Dairyman

Hoclin(?) Renwich, M.S. Byres (?)

[u/monstermama93 → u/ElevatorBossaNova]

I got this, too except I read "Helen" not Hoclin.

[u/Key_Conversation9616]

I'd love to know the header for that column. But it looks like an excerpt from a census. First, the male head of household and job title:

Francis Jardine Labourer

Then the spouse or partner and possibly some reference to a maiden name?

Margaret Jardine M.S. Wells

Following that pattern:

James Renwich (or Renwick) Dairyman

Helen (or Harlen) Renwich M.S. Byres

[u/Gareth-101]

Yes the MS seems to denote a maiden name for the women. Francis Jardine, Labourer / Margaret Jardine ms Wells… I’d say Helen or possibly Helin Renwick ms Byres

[u/Fun_Second4544]

A child of 13 yrs.

[u/Creative_Dragonfly_5]

Francis Jardine Laborer.

Margaret Jardine M.(? L or I). Wells.

James Renwick Dairyman.

Helen Renwick M.S. Byers.

[u/Babyblue253]

I do Scottish genealogy and look at these all the time on Scotland’s people. The MS is for the maiden surname (not sure if the M actually stands for the word maiden in Scotland but the MS for sure is the woman’s surname prior to marriage)

[u/PepperMotor6297]

What beautiful handwriting!!!

[u/Fancy_Lass777]

Really honestly I think it’s sad that they don’t teach it anymore. I really do I mean there’s a lot of other things I think that should be taught to, but I do think this is something that still should be taught, but I’m no lady not really old but enough.

[u/No_Practice_9589]

Puzzling to me!

[u/No_Practice_9589 → u/No_Practice_9589]

Just looked at Vikipedia and saw a monument to Hoelin, Genghis Khan’s mother. Couldn’t tell which language the accompanying explanation was in, except it wasn’t English and didn’t look Germanic or one of the Romance languages.

[u/No_Practice_9589]

Just looked at Vikipedia. Saw a monimen