r/CubeWorld • u/BrokeDoop • 2d ago
Discussion Sub needs a rule about AI content and disclosures now.
You're telling me that some AI decompiling tools release that allow you to do things like play Minecraft in other games, or just creates mods for games that were previously impossible, and now people are magically able to create Cube World mods unlike what we've ever seen in the last 13 years?
Yeah, sure pal.
Would really like if the sub at the very least had a rule about needing to disclose this stuff.
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u/pentchev 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's not that people didn't know how to decompile. It's that no one is unemployed enough to decompile an alpha version of a 13 year old game with a small community. So speeding the process makes it feasible to get anything done. Literally anyone in programming can tell you how annoying it is to read someone else's code, now try that but you can't even see the variable names.
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u/Eeve2espeon 2d ago
People have gotten better at decompiling things though, also usually such a thing is a community driven project. Like no duh people with jobs can't do the project themselves
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u/DeepFriedFyre 2d ago
All this rule would do is give people a justification to cudgel people posting things that improve the experience of the game. Exclusively for the enjoyment of people who are anti-ai militants there's no benefit to the wider community and would just breed hate and discourage people from creating better mods using ai.
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u/i_am_renb0 2d ago
If the baseline of creating a mod with AI is just a simple case of prompting, its not unreasonable to expect disclosure... the prompting author does not lose anything.
How long until the bad actors roll in on this with prompts to inject Cubeworld with malware under the guise of simple or fun mods?
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u/DeepFriedFyre 2d ago
Ai or not that can happen, the only thing disclosure would being is more negativity and give people an excuse to hate on mod makers there is no other outcome. Disclosure doesn't change the mod, only the reaction to the mod.
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u/Frosty_Direction9856 2d ago
How would an AI disclosure stop someone from posting malware? And why wouldn’t that be possible without AI?
if anything, a person who is creating malware is probably less likely to be some rando with no coding knowledge who just prompts, so I really doubt that would stop them.
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u/OnetimeRocket13 2d ago
The issue with these kinds of rules is that they just end up being an honor system. Sure, the mods can make a rule saying that people have to disclose AI use, but how the hell are they going to tell when someone doesn't do that? Most people already can't tell the difference between something real and something AI generated, especially with stuff like mods. At that point, it's just kind of performative, because it's a rule that doesn't really do anything and isn't enforceable.
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u/BrokeDoop 2d ago
You are right, but It's still better to have a rule that disincentivizes not putting a disclosure than simply doing nothing about it.
If someone gets caught purposefully not disclosing it when there's a rule to do so a lot of people are going to be really upset with them, which would be another reason for them to just obey the rule.-2
u/OnetimeRocket13 2d ago
It only disincentivizes it if there is any consistent or reliable way to detect it, though. On rules for (just for example) not being a dick to others, you can pretty easily tell when someone is being a dick. You can just look at what they're commenting or posting and how they're behaving, and then you can enforce the rule. People have no incentive to act like a dick, since the mods can tell when someone is or isn't being rude, and so there is a risk of getting banned.
There isn't really a way of doing that with AI generated/assisted mods, though. You can do that with things like images or videos, but mods are significantly more difficult. At this point, it would take a minimal amount of effort to hide it, and any strangeness to the mod can easily be denied or explained away as a quirk of the mod author. When there isn't a good or reliable way to actually enforce a mod, there also isn't any disincentivization that comes with it.
I'm not necessarily arguing in support of AI generated mods or anything, either. I'm just pointing out that a rule banning them won't actually have much of any effect. You'll get some people who honor the rule and disclose AI usage, but that's really all that'll come from it. People who don't want to follow the rule won't, and there won't be a way to prove that they aren't. Worst case scenario, you'll have people falling victim to false positives, then backlash over it, and then a repealing of the rule. Best case scenario, everyone follows it. Realistic scenario, some people just refuse to do so, and nobody is the wiser.
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u/ACupOfLatte 2d ago
That at the end is the answer, the disclosure is all we need for people like you who're whole heatedly against any and all gen AI use.
Imo, we shouldn't completely outlaw it like other subs as it can be a good and effective tool to use. The issue comes from the mod author themself, how diligent are they?
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u/BrokeDoop 2d ago
The line gets blurred for me when people start using it as more than an assistant and I think at that point it needs to be disclosed.
When it comes to generative AI, like just straight up using generated code and assets, that's when it becomes an issue that needs to be addressed.1
u/ACupOfLatte 2d ago
We don't need to sit here and quantify the spectrum of issues and what should be done about AI, we just have to put a label on it when it's used.
We're our own judges, opinions and such. Just let the individual decide on their own, that's all there is to it.
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u/BrokeDoop 2d ago edited 2d ago
That's literally what I'm asking for.
I just don't think that the case I disclosed about generative content falls into any spectrum, I think its a pretty clear line to cross when people start generating assets and copy pasting code they barely understand.
Still, even in that case I think most people will just shun it when it has a disclosure, so that's good enough.
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u/Furebel iLog 2d ago
Eh, mods that make game more fun are still mods that make the game more fun. It's only slop when the developer doesn't care about feedback, doesn't care about making something good, and only cares about shoving out broken flashy looking mess. It's not exactly the same case as with pictures and music, because in those you do things purely artistic, aesthetic, you pour your emotions in, do things to your liking, etc.
If you're using an AI to solve problems like just making the mod work or establishing a baseline code and then spend unslept nights tweaking every value, testing, rerunning the game 50 times, coming up with your own features, using man-made assets, I'd say it's still fine job and not slop. When it comes to programming AI just let more people who'd make slop in the first place make their slop, and helped people with vision and no programming knowledge actually get into programming and do a good job. I saw both kinds of people.
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u/Frosty_Direction9856 2d ago
Why would this matter at all? It’s a sub for the game itself, not a coding/developer sub, we’re not here to judge or critique how you wrote the code for your game or mod.
If the concern is the quality of the mods being posted about, then just target low quality mod posts, although I feel like the quality of the recent mods has been higher than most of the ones we had before, so I doubt thats an issue.
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u/BrokeDoop 2d ago
I am very well aware of how useful of a tool it can be for programming, but the ethics vary on how it's used, when it becomes more questionable people should be required to disclose their usage.
It also doesn't require much competence to 'Vibe Code' and I don't find the people willing to use AI decompiling trustworthy enough to believe that's not what they're doing.
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u/TypicalNPC 1d ago
Now he has to actually create something worth while instead of riding on the coat tails of a decade+. idea.
Maybe AI is a good thing after all LMAO. More competition is great for the consumer. And with the assumptions of others using AI, who's to say he isn't himself?
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u/thelocomochoco 2d ago
I find this perspective interesting. Do people not have the same skepticism towards Wollay suddenly pushing out updates to Omega at an exponentially faster rate than he had for CW in the past decade?