Remnants of old Assyrian city getting destroyed an blowing up by ISIS

[u/FeistyAlbatross4636]

[u/Stenian]

This should be shown to all those wacky idiots who compare our ancestors to ISIS. Here you literally have ISIS destroying ancient Assyrian artefacts and trying to erase the physical remains of our history. ISIS loathed Assyrians and their heritage; they had absolutely nothing to do with us or our ancestors!

Whatever criticisms you want to make of the ancient Assyrian Empire, drawing some direct line from ancient Assyria to ISIS is absurd, especially when ISIS itself deliberately destroyed Assyrian antiquities and persecuted modern Assyrian communities. The irony really couldn't be more obvious.

[u/Specific-Bid6486 → u/Stenian]

It’s usually the KWRTs that do the comparisons on social media for the most part to deflect from their grandfathers atrocities such as the Assyrian genocide and Simele massacres, to name a few..

Don’t forget a lot of KWRTs (kurds) joined isis as well so my money is on that they were part of this destruction for obvious reasons.

[u/Able-Comment-1983 → u/Stenian]

Same depravity, different time period. Also, the Assyrian imperial family and its servants were the vicious ones calling the militaristic and administrative shots, so recognize that your ancestors may have assimilated after relinquishing their original cultural customs at the behest of the Assyrian military’s orders. 

Same deal with the Roman Empire which demanded people use a specific currency and adapt to Roman bureaucracy. 

“Drawing some direct line” is a good way to put it. Isis was simply practicing religious fascism with ethnocentric undertones. That’s how they thought they’d establish a caliphate. 

You didn’t like the thought of having Assyrian brutality woven into the fabric of your nation, but avoiding it doesn’t make it go away. Assyrian scholars have acknowledged how the empire operated. We have documentation regarding the malicious methods used to provoke demographic changes in the territories conquered by the Assyrian military. 

[u/Stenian → u/Able-Comment-1983]

This is like saying Israel is more brutal than Hamas simply because Israel has killed around 70,000 Palestinians during the Gaza war, whereas Hamas killed around 1,200 people on October 7. It's an apples-to-oranges comparison. Body counts alone don't tell you everything about the nature, motives or historical context of violence.

ISIS was a terrorist organization that went around deliberately murdering women, children and unarmed civilians in the name of its extremist religious ideology. Ancient Assyria, on the other hand, was a militaristic, expansionist empire that waged wars primarily for territorial conquest, political domination, resources and tribute.

Assyria was brutal, but at least they built a sophisticated civilisation with remarkable achievements for their time, such as advanced systems of administration, engineering and irrigation, constructed magnificent palaces and cities, and established great libraries. And ISIS? It terrorised populations, destroyed priceless historical artefacts, persecuted minorities and left devastation in its wake. Yeah, wow, so civilized!🙄

Sorry man, but reducing Assyria's history to brutality alone, and then equating it with ISIS, is a really shallow and historically ignorant comparison. Btw, similarities in brutality don't make two fundamentally different entities the same. Like, come on...🤦🏻‍♀️

[u/Able-Comment-1983 → u/Stenian]

Assyrian imperialistic laws regarding marriage are brutal and deem girls timid, inferior beings. 

Lay off the porn, stenian. I could see your comment history. 

[u/After-Trifle-1437]

This hurts my soul.

[u/ASecularBuddhist]

The consequence of America sticking their nose in the Middle East. They will apparently never learn.

[u/West_Smoke_9164 → u/ASecularBuddhist]

At least the European Imperialism is actually valid

Especially they're "stealing" the artifacts to keep them safe in museums

[u/ASecularBuddhist → u/West_Smoke_9164]

If America didn’t invaded Iraq, this wouldn’t have happened.

[u/Old-Average-6118 → u/ASecularBuddhist]

Debatable. Saddam would've fallen eventually after losing western support and being devastated from war with Iran. The Gulf countries wanted America to deal with Iraq but if America had not then what happened to Syria in 2011 would've happened to Iraq in 2003 that is to say a devistating civil war.

Sure America handled the occupation of Iraq extremely badly but people really need to stop acting like Iraq was heading down a good path it was getting destroyed anyway and that was all due to Saddam's regime.

[u/Beneficial-Role1450 → u/Old-Average-6118]

Ok I agree Saddam gets overthrown eventually but does ISIS come out of the power vaccum? No in fact in Libya ISIS didn’t come till like 2014-2015 not immediately after Gaddafi fell. ISIS would’ve not came and if anything the new government might not break our artifacts. ISIS came from America and you’ll unfortunately have to live with that.

[u/ASecularBuddhist → u/Old-Average-6118]

America created a power vacuum that wouldn’t have otherwise have happened, in my opinion, of course 😊

[u/West_Smoke_9164 → u/ASecularBuddhist]

Well i understand about the consequence, but it's just against the @r@bi@n f@sc!sm in Iraq

[u/Stenian → u/ASecularBuddhist]

Soft bigotry of low expectations, much? I love how you guys manage to be racist in the most seemingly “inoffensive,” subtle and sneaky way possible.

Your logic essentially boils down to this: Arabs and Muslims are somehow incapable of being held accountable for atrocities committed in the aftermath of the US invasion of Iraq, so you conveniently shift all the blame onto the supposedly “smarter” and more capable West, particularly the United States.

It's almost as though you view Westerners as intelligent, superior adults who should know better, while treating Arabs as helpless little children who lack the intelligence or agency to be held responsible for their own actions. Interesting.

[u/Specific-Bid6486 → u/Stenian]

The last part is actually true - the low iq of the ME is due to the religious zealots who keep humanity regressed and this isn’t controversial to say and make.

Nobody is racist in this post nor is the OP as he’s just showing facts, in fact, what is racist is that our homeland has been occupied for centuries and then Moslem Arabs and the KWRTs of Iran want to pretend it belonged to them somehow due to the political and religious domination in our country. So stop being so racist and using this card against us when it’s the settlers of māt-Aššur who are the ones that are bigoted and chauvinistic.

[u/Fearless_Good_5283]

This is not as shocking as the day it happened because they also had kidnapped people in various villages. We as Assyrians cannot be the scapegoat for all the relative injustices of ancient history. This was ridiculous, and the explosion almost looks fake like it is an edited video.

So their argument was probably that these statues and artwork idolatrous. We do not worship these ancient alien looking gods, they are just part of history before monotheism. I think they just did this to shock and scare the world, which is basically terrorizing people.

ISIS also targeted many European cities like Paris at the time. How could we have a country if there are groups like this? There would have to be mandatory military service just to maintain it's defenses. The artworks are not particularly the best looking thing in history of art, but they were thousands of years old. I think they can recreate them with modern technology, like laser cutting devices, but it's not exactly the same.

This is like someone wanting to destroy the ancient pyramids of Egypt, which is a great tourist attraction and helps their country's economy. Why would they feel so threatened by old blocks of art and statues? It's actually quite strange that all this happened.

[u/Victory_TRG]

If you think that I blame anyone as an Iraqi citizen🇮🇶 The corrupt government and al- Maliki is one of the presidents of Iraq in the period of ISIS They are to blame for what happened and will happen in Iraq