r/ArcRaiders • u/Tylerdurdenps5 • 21h ago

Media Went into pve mode to finish a quest and encountered this rat.

He placed a pulse mine at the top of the tower and made me fall. I knew what he was trying to do but wasn’t 100% sure about his intentions.
I kept talking to him on my way to the hatch. Once I called him out, he got mad so easily I think I hurt his fragile ego when I asked “Do you want my loot?”

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u/FataLxDeadpool 18h ago

People thought PvE mode would solve their issues when in reality all it did is bring out the super sleazy losers that don’t have the balls to PvP so now they resort to rat tactics in PvE… It’s crazy how many people I’ve ran into that are just purely being an asshole because they know nobody can do anything to them.

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u/RenanBan 17h ago

It solved, this happens but its not always. I will say you will encounter this in a week and maybe even in a month only. PvE always had griefers in all games, but its not constant only in low pop games.

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u/newbrevity 17h ago

And so often they have that same sneering hateful tone in their voice. Little pieces of shit that don't deserve video games.

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u/BSchafer 14h ago

It's they first time they've ever been able to act like a big man and not get clapped, lmao. This PvE beta has been a mess.

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u/bunk3rk1ng 16h ago

There is something you can do though. Last night I was playing trios and some players body blocked my teammate in one of the safe houses. We baited the bastion over and it killed them lol. I'm having more fun than I've ever had in this game

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u/lugginico 17h ago

Its just some small issues that embark will have to fix

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u/Bartislartfasst 17h ago

Change mines so that raiders don't trigger them in PVE mode. Problem fixed.

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u/feels_okay 16h ago

Exactly lol.. these tears of people crying over this are just delicious. Once this mode makes its permanent return, they’ll have fixes for all the popular griefing antics. It’s really not that hard lol.

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u/mickeyoneil19 17h ago

Yea pretty easy, get rid of the dumb toggle

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u/not_uh_doctah 16h ago

Show us where the PVE players hurt you on the doll...

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u/mickeyoneil19 16h ago

Here, here and here. Now arrest those fools

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u/feels_okay 16h ago

Poor guy! It’ll be okay.

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u/mickeyoneil19 16h ago

It’ll be amazing when the PvE mode doesn’t get implemented 

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u/feels_okay 16h ago

Highly, highly doubtful lol. It’ll be okay baby. Your precious pvpve mode will still be there 🥰🥰

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u/mickeyoneil19 15h ago

Well they can’t add it in its current loot goblin state. 

It should really only be added as its own map condition or to an existing map condition like the Frigate, Queen, and/or Matriarch, and if they really want to add it as a complete mode in the attempt of player retention, it should only be PvE trios. 

I’m mainly a solo carebear and my old lobbies were 95+% friendly, so PvE mode for solos really is obsolete. We help each other, defib each other, share loot with each other. But encountering other raiders created this tension that no other game has. It would get your adrenaline and anxiety going and give you the biggest rush a video game has ever given. And toggling that off is insane and hurts the core integrity of what makes this game so special, so fun, so unique. 

And if any of these loot goblins that have run amok in easy mode tried to take your cores without asking, you were able to defend your kill. Or if you know someone was a human being, asked nicely or assisted on a kill, we were happy to share the loot. 

Now when it comes to duos and trios, I think that’s where the PvE mode is needed more. My duos were probably 80% friendly and trios (after the ABMM mode separation) were 90% kill on sight. That is a problem for friends who want to just fight some robots. 

My compromise is PvE only for trios. If you want to do it solo or as a duo, that’s fine, we’re just going squad fill you in with others. 

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u/sir_bathwater 14h ago

These people are acting like something was taken out of the game, so fuckin dramatic with this “it’s gonna kill the game” shit.

Just because it doesn’t sound exciting to you doesn’t mean no one will enjoy it. I couldn’t give a fuck less about it so I’m just not gonna play it lol, that simple.

PvPvE lobbies are fine still too. I played for a few hours last night and only got shot at a single time until my buddy joined that likes to PvP more so my lobbies got a bit more aggressive after murdering a few people.

I’ve said it before but seems like people in this thread need to hear it too. Other raiders are people, not NPCs there to provide you with tension. You’re not entitled to have these people in your lobby and they’re not being unreasonable for requesting a game mode.

Not to mention the PvE crowd makes up 34% of the games population. It’s naive to think that Embark, a business, wouldn’t cater to a third of their audience in some capacity. This is the silliest shit I’ve seen people get mad about.

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u/Chantrak 13h ago

It’s especially funny since the addition of PvE is doing the EXACT opposite of killing the game. It was down to 30k players and I alone personally know dozens of people who are coming back for this. The people shining are just upset someone might actually shoot back at them in PvP now when they’re trying to rat.

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u/LegalInstruction7281 16h ago

Those people will exists but I have not encountered one raider like that in my pve lobbies. mostly just loot goblins that don't bring anything in

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u/J_Productions 15h ago

Thought rats were bad?! Behold, the super rats!

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u/BoggTheFrog 15h ago

If you don't care about the loot it can be fun to go to the big bosses and fight with your squad without worrying about PvP, I haven't tried solo much tbh.

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u/SnooOwls1916 15h ago

Didn’t know it was cool and manly to play PvP?

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u/here2askquestions 14h ago

This might come as a shocker to you, but these same people were already in your carebear lobbies.

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u/Bad_Puns_Galore 17h ago

“Rat tactics”

PvE players have zero sense of humor. This is a funny clip.

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u/FataLxDeadpool 17h ago

I bet you sit in security with surge coils on the zipline.

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u/rubendepuben123 18h ago

I think it's only now that PVE is new, it's gonna get old for them soon since there's no real reward for killing players here. Or that's what I hope at least.

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u/SB_5259 17h ago

lol, you think people are going to get tired of free easy gear? Its only going to get worse once they realize that people are more likely to spawn into a PvE lobby with better, more kitted weapons than they are in a normal mode.

There USED to be consequences for this. The lobby would police this type of behavior, now it is wide open for ratting without any repercussions. This mode will kill the game

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u/sir_bathwater 15h ago

I’d say it’s easier (for those of us that aren’t shitters) to just kill people in normal lobbies instead of setting up a Rube Goldberg-esque contraption to kill one PvE player.

I really doubt this stuff will last, it’s gotta get old quick.

Regardless tho, I’m sure the PvE crowd would prefer the potential for this happening from time to time over the potential for this still happening in normal lobbies on top of being able to be directly damaged by other players. This you can avoid by not listening to other players, the rest you can only really avoid by running away.

Give it time, it’s an experimental queue. I’m sure they’ll iron out some of the kinks as time progresses.

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u/DR3AD-PIGEON 14h ago

Gear is easy to come by in the game regardless of the mode you play

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u/Low_Arm_7066 17h ago

True man, what's the point in even playing PvPvE if I can progress everything in the free, easy PvE mode? This is a garbage addition to the game.

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u/SB_5259 17h ago

Game is going to get real boring real quick when there is no risk other than arc, which you can very easily escape from if you want.

I played some PvE last night. Nobody was on coms, people were swarming other peoples' kills, every arc you DID engage with was taken out taken out by other people chimming in. I dont need help with a swarm of flying arc. Let me have fun taking them out, thats what this mode was SUPPOSED to be. Big game, sure, teaming up to take on a bombadier was always a welcome thing. But dont help me with a fucking wasp.

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u/FataLxDeadpool 17h ago

What I thought was wild is that even if you were the only person to shoot a bastion/bombadier it seems like the millisecond it blows up everyone takes off their invisibility cloak and and BOOM there’s 6 other people there all the sudden 😂

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u/give_take778 16h ago

its not "your" loot, its not a singleplayer game😂

why wouldnt people loot rare loot when it falls infront of their feet..

u expect players in a videogame to behave like jesus, without sin and perfectly divine😂

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u/SB_5259 17h ago

To be fair, that happened in care bear lobbies, but a nice melee to the back fixed that real quick. That shit was policed.

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u/Nirxx 16h ago

Nah Bobcat to the head, back to Speranza.

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u/uShadowu 16h ago

Yeah, they should lower the number of players per lobby by alot. That should fix most of these issues.

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u/SB_5259 15h ago

I dont think so. One thing that made Arc great for me was the interactions I would have with other raiders.

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u/Individual_Dingo_373 15h ago

I mean yeah but I think we are all missing the part were this is bannable and I will happen soon

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u/SB_5259 15h ago

Bannable? lmaoooo

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u/sir_bathwater 15h ago

I mean it’s easily consider griefing and against ToS. So yea, I’d say probably bannable although I doubt it’ll be enforced.

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u/BSchafer 14h ago edited 11h ago

Yeah, people will certainly get sick of easy, free gear, they just aren't smart enough to understand it yet. You only want nice gear/loot if it's rare and hard to get. When everybody has it because it's so easy and riskless to obtain, it suddenly loses it's allure and the excitement of getting it. Not to mention if you have basically no risk of dying to other players the main reason for even wanting nice gear goes out the window. Player are just going to get to late game more quickly and easily than before, just to realize not only has the game become much more boring... there is no longer a point to want and need better gear when it's so easy to get and you rarely ever lose it. Players will be back to playing other games and claiming the ARC devs are clueless again in just a few weeks (many already are).

This is exactly why Tarkov player base would spike like crazy every time there was a wipe just to slowly fall off the longer wipe went on but in Arc it's going to happen 100x worse. At some point you already have all the best gear, all the trader unlocked, more than enough money, and doesn't feel all that meaningful or rewarding to keep grinding when there is nothing left to gain (especially when a flip of a toggle allows you to easily get it while risking nothing). The things that kept Tarkov's player base still decently active late wipe was how good's it's PvP, depth, and loot pool was. ARC doesn't really have any that - at least nowhere close to Tarkov's level yet. ARC's playerbase is going to fall off dramatically harder because of this type of stuff. Just like we saw after its initial release but this time it's going to be even worse because you'll get to end games faster (with less risk/tension/excitement/reward) and now less PvP action. PvE making it easy to get gear and complete mission with no risk literally ruins the entire risk/reward proposition that is the foundation of the genre and makes it so much more exciting/engaging than other shootersl. Just fully separate the modes so the PvE players get what they want (even if they later regret it) and it doesn't totally ruin the main mode.

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u/SB_5259 14h ago

Thats when fucking with people becomes part of the entertainment. Benches are done, got all the blue prints that they care about, stash is full, queen and matriarch gets old, and it’s no where near expedition date. So they’ll swap back and forth from PvP and trolling players.

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u/ZhouPS 8h ago

Same reason Rust had to have weekly wipes. It’s not about having the loot, it’s about the journey that you went on while getting loot

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u/Particular-Abies-622 17h ago

How did the lobby police this? These campers will extract with your loot, or if you manage to down a rat, they'll just lie and tell everyone you're the rat. There never were consequences.

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u/Nirxx 16h ago

Bruh if you let them lie that's on you

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u/sir_bathwater 15h ago

Not sure why the downvotes because you’re not too far off.

There’s a dude that makes content where his whole thing is that he kills someone and then convinces the whole lobby that he wasn’t the one who did it and gets them to kill other people.

People acting like each lobby has a sheriffs department when it’s more like a handful of Paul Blarts lol.

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u/Necromancer07 17h ago

I really hope they implement an update that raider can't loot each other death body in pve lobby

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u/SB_5259 17h ago

How many safety wheels do you want? Would you also like a toggle that allows you to keep your gear if you die?

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u/Necromancer07 17h ago

Well, as far as I know, even in PvP, you can't keep your gear on death. My suggestion is only one of the solutions for players to stop finding a reason to kill others in PvE aside of griefing.

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u/Nirxx 16h ago

What about just god mode so you can't die?

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u/Atempestofwords 16h ago

since there's no real reward for killing players here

err....what? lol

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u/onceforgoton 15h ago

Yeah it’s not about the loot, friend.

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u/coupl4nd 14h ago

did you even watch the video? He got OPs entire bag. And people bring all their high val stuff into PVE thinking it's safe...

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u/Fluugaluu 15h ago

We were dealing with them in PvP as well

This is just disingenuous. We got what we want. Quit making up new things to bitch about.

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u/Monx612 16h ago

None of you realize that it’s not a matter of having balls. It’s purely a question of risk vs reward. Why should I risk anything to get loot in PvP when I can get it the same way in PvE without any risk?

And don't give me that "hehe, you can't handle PvP so you resort to ratting" nonsense—that's a ridiculous excuse. The fact is, a game like ARC isn't balanced by design. If people wanted a balanced PvP game, they’d be playing Valorant or CS, not ARC Raiders.

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u/steverambo44 15h ago

And now, imagine PvE players are soo bad that they are dying to these apparent "losers who cant kill anyone in PvP" despite no player damage. Peak comedy.

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u/OryxOski1XD 13h ago

clearly it shouldnt cause mines to go off in PvE, are you dense?