I have been jerked enough to feel the need to write this out into the void.
I have very very fond memories of tech test 2 and the early days of arc raiders on release. This game demands tension, without tension its a sandbox experience with no real economy or risk, i have played one session on pve and my inventory would make jeff bezos weep with envy, its so easy.
Pve breaks this game, the current abmm breaks this game, stop trying so hard to please everyone and stick with your vision, my fear is the current player numbers will impress the suits and all of a sudden we have my little pony supermarket looter edition.
Relax the abmm, dont introduce pve unless you literally want a destiny 2 style story and raid system and lean in harder on what made this game special.
If you really want to make a pve mode, it atleast has to be so hard and scary, people still fear taking legendary weapons and gear, the frigate would be a current good example, genuine threat to life.
My two cents.
Im now going to pvp because i have no space in my inventory.
To me personally, the game was at its peak before devs confirmed that abmm was a thing. The tension was there, the unknown. Since then, community just fell into a toxic holywar between PvP crowd and PvE. Then cheaters shat on PvP. Then game died for me.
Game needs tension. Game needs the unknown. Game needs to fight cheaters back. How? I dont know at this point. Just my two cents
I don't mind ABMM purely because it made sure people had their "PvE lobbies" but they weren't COMPLETELY risk free and it seemed to accomodate both the Crazy high tier PvP crowd and the PvE crowd. PvE Mode is just redundant as its basically the same as low aggro lobbies.
I have never seen a game community get so tribal over made up labels like this. Ā Itās funny because it isnt even a real thing. Ā 90% of the playerbase is somewhere in between but these people argue like every problem of theirs is cause by the other side.
It needs to remove ABMM, we need to be able to search for our nitche in the game, trying to find other friendly raiders used to feel unique and fun, as well as tense because you never know who you could trust. It used to feel like social deduction trying to see who you could trust, but it became endless friendly lobbies so I just left
Yeah exactly. I for one am very happy with the PvE Beta and if they decide to remove it, thats okay, I'll just uninstall the game again. Theres literally nothing wrong here. People acting like this is Arc 9/11 need to grow up.
Lol ok. I never said I would be missed. Im just a random asshole, Embark doesn't know who I am. I play PvE because it's fun and if it gets removed, I'll just go play other games in my library. I go where the fun for me is.
I don't care about casuals cause they will LEAVE THE GAME. They will casually go play something else and the game will die just because of idiots who can't die in video game.. few years back devs would have said to get good or go play something else.. nowadays everything has to be for everyone.. what a joke
People saw and bought PvPvE game and few months later bullied developers into PvE only.. why would you buy the game if you don't like pvp? It's not like it wasn't clear to you before putting your credit card there.. if this will become permanent it's the death of this game.
It was going to die without a change no matter what. Again - no one got bullied. They are a company that is free to do with their own property what they think is best.
You arenāt going to make a difference by making a single post. But the devs absolutely care about what the playerbase thinks and if the entire response on online discussion forums all point to the same thing that is going to have an impact on their decision making in the future.
Sure. If this change is metrically a success, the negative opinions on discussion forums arenāt going to have an affect. But if it isnāt a success then they will absolutely be looking at consensuses among the online communities for the game.
I think itās naive to believe that they donāt have an AI analysing trends and opinions on Reddit at least as a tiny fraction of the evaluation. Itās literally a matter of minutes.
The game has been a casual shopping sim since launch in low aggression lobbies. Almost like embarks statistics they posted show 40% of the player base enjoys that playstyleā¦
Rat players are just losing their mind over it now because theyāre now getting access with the toggle. Itās been like this since inception lol.
Lol you can downvote me but Iāve played over a dozen āPvP matchesā with no raider flare popped at all since pve beta start. Rat babies really canāt handle being wrong.
In fact, more disagree with you than agree per embarks numbers. Some people need to free climb to get excited, others get that thrill going 5 over the speed limit.
Sometimes gamers don't know what they need and this is a prime example of it. If you've played even 2 or 3 matches of PvE, you quickly realize how dull it is. Nobody speaking, no need to bring defibs of you're supposedly looking for "friendlier" players to be on lobbies with.
I think if they want to do PvE, you need to have a separate character for it. Otherwise why should you benefit by going into pve looting lobbies, no risk all reward, then take that into the normal lobbies and economy. There's so many glaring issues with this that nobody from the pve enthusiastic side see willing to address. They just want to load in and have none of the consequences and all of the reward.
How is this even arrogance? Clearly the devs know what gamers need better than you or I. As stated, they pivoted away from PvE before launch and it saved their game and made it insanely successful.
So yes, I believe they know what's good for us, better than us. As theyvr displayed. And what else is displayed, they gave into the whole "give us PvE" pressure and bullshit and now look at the backlash. It's terrible.
The economy aspect is fair, why are you able to go in and get X item in PvE with little risk, where others to in to get item X with essential all of the risk? There's a discrepancy. Sure you can just nerf the loot, but it's just putting a bandage on the whole problem with PvE.
> As stated, they pivoted away from PvE before launch and it saved their game and made it insanely successful.
Lmao what kind of take is this? Every single one of their post launch moves was PvE content, whether it was ABMM or the removal or PvP from feats. Their first post launch interview they discuss their surprise at much more cooperatively actual players engaged with their game than they did as devs in their playtests.
We have no idea how well this game would have been received if it launched as a PvE game, but given the massive influx of players clearly interested in the barebones PvE at launch, so much so that every major update catered to them, it feels incredibly foolish to assume the only reason the game was successful was the inclusion of PvP. Especially when we already have hard evidence that the developers did not understand how much people would enjoy the PvE they created.
The āmuh tensionā people had to pivot because that argument was going nowhere so now weāre seeing a ton of scrutiny on āthe economyā in a game where duping glitches have run the show for 6+ months filling peopleās inventory with pink weapons but suddenly now itāsactuallt a super critical issue because PvE people might be able to stock up. Itās all nonsense. Some folks will enjoy the mode, some folks wonāt. Thatās what the toggle is for.
They did, and Mixed were the majority in April (40%, 27% in September). PvE 37% in September (a majority if you look at that in vacuum yes). But PvP were at 34%, which combined with the 27% mixed players makes 61%
That's a majority actually engaging with the PvP aspect in the game
Oh, the old "mixed and pvp are basically the same" argument. So old. Do you think the majority of mixed players are more inclined to pve or pvp? The "mixed" lobbies, the ones with the tension aren't 50/50, it's 80% pve and 20% hunting by pvp/mixed players.
Let's even do 39 vs 61, even then, it's 39% exclusively pve. 39% isnt strong enough to try a mode?
You might not like it, but it's not a few people wishing for pve only. Deal with it. š«
The reason we can lump Mixed and PvP together is, as I just told you, they're both demographics that accept that PvP is a part of the game.
Mixed players are by Embark's own words "with the leftover 40% in the "why not both" camp."
PvE players don't accept PvP as part of the game. That's the difference between Mixed and PvE
Mixed players get slotted into PvE lobbies all the time for simply not shooting first, which inflates that 37%, as we've seen Mixed going from 40% to 27%, while BOTH PvP and PvE increased from 30% to 34% and 37%
I'm not even going to bother touching on your made up 80% 20% numbers as they're pure fiction
If a player doesn't shoot first he's not mixed or pvpve, he's pve that retaliates. If shooting back is "mixed", pve is even stronger. You have lots of care bears that shoot if engaged. Still care bears.
So, I'm 90% pve, once every 10 raids, I shoot. I'm more in the pvpve camp than pve, right? Lump me with the pvp stats.
80/20 was generous. Before pve mode that was the rate of my mixed lobbies.
You can't define the PVPVE crowd as both PVPVE + PVP and PVE as its own thing by itself unless you add PVPVE to PVE too. There was no PVE mode before today so the PVE people where in that mixed crowd before too.
of course I can
both PvP and PvPvE players accept that PvP is a part of the game
PvE players want PvP removed from the game
hence why PvP and PvPvE players are okay with no PvE toggle in the game
PVE dont want PVP removed from the game, youve created a strawman that doesnt exist. They just want to be able to play it differently on their own. I've only see PVP players asking for the opposite mode to be abolished.
We only have to wait 1 week. If the raiders play 70% of all matches with pve on...they will keep the toggle. Playing only 30% of all matches, maybe not.
I see people trolling in pve, but Thats fine....they play pve and at the End of day they help to keep this Mode.
I like pve more...just relaxing after work, killing bots without bein scared of rats. I am to old for this pvp shit.
Why would people that don't want pvp even buy this game? Please explain it to me what wasn't clear before people put their credit cards and paid for the game they clearly don't like.
Beacuse it has a cool world, good shooting and traversal, shooting arc is fun... lots of reasons. You dont have to like every part of a game to buy it.
Understandable.. but WHY should they give in for these players? What is the fun about getting loot without consequence.. and other question.. loot for what exactly? You can do everything in this game with an Anvil...
Game for everyone is a game for no one. This game NEEDS the tension. There are way that you can prevent being ratted on and people believe only solution is a stupid toggle
you can keep saying these same things over and over but the jist is, there are a lot of people who want what they just added, and fundamentally disagree with you. They will not change their minds, just like you clearly wont. So you need to just learn to co-exist intead of stamping your feet trying to get them to play it the way you want them to.
But itās still asking them to take time and effort away from the main game (stop pleasing others) in order to please your view (PvE). I donāt care if itās optional it still has an effect on others
Embark released 3 weeks of content after 6 months of work. Itās great content, but letās not act like they do a great job of working on a lot of things at once.
All Iām trying to point out is the irony of your statement. People who want pve are the ones that are specifically asking for major changes at the expense of others. Dev time, game balance, economy, etc. Not the other way around
It's only irony of I'm saying the same thing as them. I'm not. They're advocating removing something. I'm not.
Your opinion on what Embark releases isn't linked to this topic. With it being optional it isn't at the expense of others. You either want PvP in your rounds or you don't. The options there.
There are already so many complaints about the way this is implemented. Not enough arc, too many players, too easy to grief. So many people are saying āwell this is just the first test, theyāre gathering data to change it.ā
Unless they plan on leaving it exactly the way that it is at this very moment, then they will have to take the time to balance and change things.
the vision of every company is to make money don't you think? in no way they are thinking "hell yeah lets cater to pvp minority and tank the sales! just send it!".
I can never phantom how you guys bought a game that cleeeeeeaaarly includes unavoidable PvP interaction and then moan like bitches anytime someone infringes in the slightest on you.
For me I want pve mode so I can get all my quests and bullshit out the way so I can engage with the game optimally. Iāve played all the extraction games out on console and enjoyed them but hold hunt showdown above them all as they never have you gimp yourself by broadcasting your location and then exposing yourself while vulnerable in the name of questing so that others who are not doing a quest have a free kill.
Iām fine with PvP but only if Im actually involved in the PvP and not with my back turned whilst holding interact to do some quest for progress.
PvE will ruin the game. People think they want it, but it will make the game boring as fuck. Never please these people. Same kind of people that ruined WoW
Yes, the game we played back in the tech tests doesn't exist anymore. First it was ABMM and now the PvE toggle. It all just pushes the game further and further away from what it once was
It's really bad tbh... no drama, no tension at all... you can freely shoot each other and 'laugh' at how it does nothing... nothing...? That breaks any kind of game immersion completely right there lol. And splitting the player base has never worked, ever.... Oh, but I do like the increased Arc activity and they seem a but more gnarly? Def bring that into the game more..
The tension was the only reason to play this game early on. When it turned into whining and whinging I uninstalled. Like months ago at this point. Today Iām off this sub. Toodle-loo embark
With the current amount of cheaters in PvP? Nah. If they canāt improve their anti cheat system or at least return our kits instead of sending us thank you for looking out mails, PvE mode has to stay.
Adding another game mode doesn't remove tension from the existing one.
However one day of a playtest doesn't mean Embark shouldn't explore a PvE experience it's just that it needs to be built from the ground up around that just as the current one was designed at its core to have the threat of PvP.
The crying of the āpveā players is so crazy to me. Yall sit here and cry about PvP when you bought a game that has PvP then cry so hard they add aggression based matchmaking which makes your lobbies essentially pve. Like I legit donāt understand why you bought the damn game in the first place!?
Bruh, if you donāt like the PvE mode DONT PLAY IT!
Your precious PvEvP game is still here, youāve lost nothing, theyāve added an optional mode thatās clearly not for you. Why are you yucking peopleās yum when it has literally no implication on you. Insane levels of narcissism.
You're saying "IĀ have been jerked enough", yet you're here circle-jerking away with the whining about a 7 day limited test mode that has not even been tested properly yet.
Your title is correct, it is Embark's game. Just let them test it, maybe without pissing on everyone's parade after just a single day of testing.
All the whining and griefers sabotaging the tests is just proving the point that the p2p interactions in this game are somewhat out of balance and need fixing.
The ABMM was find before PvE beta test. That's all it needs, doesn't need a seperate PvE mode. How you play reflects the type of player you tend to bump into but with the tension of knowing that any one of them could have a hidden agenda.
True to an extent, but disregards the fact that ABMM has already drawn this line in the sand anyway. Unspoken rule you play solos for PvE and play duos/trios for PvP.
Youāre on the right track bringing up the Frigate but based on how these devs think that thought process isnāt even on their radar yet. They are barely learning what endgame content even is.
Going into PvE mode to frustrate players instead of playing the "superior" and your prefererred PvPvE mode says more about your maturity than anything else.
It also reinforces the idea that you care more about griefing than you do about gameplay you claim to enjoy.
Which only serves to support the idea that some form of PvE mode is required.
I remember what made this special. Getting shot in the back with no chance of reprisal by someone I couldnāt hear. Ā Super special. Ā
They also started making a pve game and added pvp. Ā Whose to say what the real intention was, but they are testing to see if there can be more that what was originally designed.Ā
I mean playing since it came out for about 6 hours a week likely. Ā So like 300 or so. Ā But again I play for fun. Ā I know itās a hard concept for pvp minded people to play a game and not win or get one over on someone else. Ā And most likely am worse. Iām not trying to get better. I have better things to focus on than getting pro in a fake world. Ā
PvE player here. I do like the PvE mode for casually completing quests without fear of rats. However I agree that PvPvE should still be the primary game mode. Maybe make PvE a rotating map condition so players still have access to it, but heavily restricted. PvE lobbies just feel dead as thereās no reason to communicate with others, and thereās so many loot goblin rats as well
How would you prefer they do matchmaking? Before aggression based matchmaking I remember a lot of rounds where none of the big arc were hunted because players avoided each other or hunted each other. Especially in a group it really wasn't fun unless you wanted to pvp
Just joined this community, and I am a player who shoots first ask questions later, miss me w that pve stuff. This isn't a huge problem in Asia region because we actually like to shoot the shit out of each other lol.
I hope that Embark wakes up and gets this shitty pve mode out of the game. You want good loot? Fight for it is my way. shrug
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u/Expedimenta 21h ago
To me personally, the game was at its peak before devs confirmed that abmm was a thing. The tension was there, the unknown. Since then, community just fell into a toxic holywar between PvP crowd and PvE. Then cheaters shat on PvP. Then game died for me.
Game needs tension. Game needs the unknown. Game needs to fight cheaters back. How? I dont know at this point. Just my two cents