r/whitesox • u/chisoxbot Bite my shiny metal.. • Apr 21 '22
Gamethread GAME THREAD: White Sox (6-5) @ Guardians (6-5) - Thu Apr 21 @ 12:10 PM
White Sox (6-5) @ Guardians (6-5)
First Pitch: 12:10 PM at Progressive Field
| Pitcher | TV | Radio | |
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| White Sox | Dylan Cease (2-0, 1.69 ERA) | NBCSCH | WMVP |
| Guardians | Zach Plesac (0-1, 1.64 ERA) | BSGL | WTAM |
| MLB | Fangraphs | Reddit Stream | Discord |
|---|---|---|---|
| Gameday | Game Graph | Live Comments | /r/baseball Discord |
Pitcher Notes
| Team | Notes |
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| White Sox | |
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Line Score - Game Over
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | R | H | E | |
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| CWS | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 8 | 1 |
| CLE | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 6 | 13 | 2 |
Box Score
| CLE | AB | R | H | RBI | BB | SO | BA | |
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| LF | Kwan | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | .382 |
| DH | Rosario, A | 5 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | .240 |
| 3B | Ramírez, Jo | 5 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .426 |
| RF | Reyes, F | 3 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | .191 |
| CF | Straw | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .326 |
| 1B | Naylor, J | 4 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | .429 |
| 2B | Clement | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .269 |
| SS | Gimenez | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | .318 |
| RF | Mercado | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .233 |
| C | Hedges | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .103 |
| CLE | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | P-S | ERA |
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| Plesac | 6.2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 85-55 | 1.53 |
| Stephan | 1.1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 27-18 | 0.00 |
| Clase | 1.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10-8 | 4.50 |
| CWS | AB | R | H | RBI | BB | SO | BA | |
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| SS | Anderson, T | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .333 |
| CF | Robert | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .205 |
| LF | Mendick | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .200 |
| 2B | García, L | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | .069 |
| 1B | Abreu | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .220 |
| C | Grandal | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | .111 |
| DH | Jiménez | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .226 |
| RF | Sheets | 4 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .214 |
| 3B | Burger | 3 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .259 |
| CF | Haseley | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .167 |
| CWS | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | P-S | ERA |
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| Cease | 5.1 | 8 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 3 | 92-63 | 3.38 |
| Sousa | 0.2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 13-9 | 3.00 |
| Graveman | 0.1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 11-9 | 3.00 |
| Foster | 1.2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 35-23 | 1.42 |
Scoring Plays
| Inning | Event | Score |
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| B3 | Franmil Reyes homers (1) on a fly ball to center field. Steven Kwan scores. | 2-0 |
| T4 | Yasmani Grandal out on a sacrifice fly to right fielder Franmil Reyes. Leury Garcia scores. | 2-1 |
| B5 | Josh Naylor singles on a ground ball to center fielder Luis Robert. Steven Kwan scores. Jose Ramirez to 3rd. | 3-1 |
| B6 | Steven Kwan out on a sacrifice fly to left fielder Adam Haseley. Andres Gimenez scores. | 4-1 |
| T7 | Adam Haseley reaches on a throwing error by pitcher Trevor Stephan. Gavin Sheets scores. Jake Burger scores. Adam Haseley to 2nd. Throwing error by second baseman Ernie Clement. | 4-3 |
| B7 | Josh Naylor doubles (1) on a sharp ground ball to right fielder Gavin Sheets. Myles Straw scores. | 5-3 |
| B7 | Andres Gimenez out on a sacrifice fly to left fielder Adam Haseley. Josh Naylor scores. | 6-3 |
Highlights
| Description | Length | Video |
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| Franmil Reyes drives a two-run home run in the 3rd | 0:33 | Video |
| Yasmani Grandal drives in Garcia on sacrifice fly | 0:42 | Video |
| Guardians relay throw to home to get Robert | 1:04 | Video |
| Josh Naylor drives in Kwan on an RBI single | 0:37 | Video |
| Steven Kwan drives in Giménez on a sacrifice fly | 0:21 | Video |
| Sheets, Burger score on a pair of errors in the 7th | 0:54 | Video |
| Dylan Cease strikes out three vs. Guardians | 1:07 | Video |
| Josh Naylor drives in Straw on an RBI double | 0:53 | Video |
| Andrés Giménez drives in Naylor on a sacrifice fly | 0:25 | Video |
| Zach Plesac gets three strikeouts vs. White Sox | 1:04 | Video |
Game ended at 3:16 PM.
| Attendance | Weather | Wind |
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| 54°F, Overcast | 15 mph, Out To RF |
HP: Chad Fairchild, 1B: Shane Livensparger, 2B: Laz Diaz, 3B: Brian O'Nora
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u/Thats___Ridiculous Apr 21 '22
How the hell did Cal Ripken play 2,632 consecutive games (16+ seasons straight), and our guys can't play 2 weeks without an injury??
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u/SlamminCleonSalmon The Big Hurt Apr 21 '22
Leury Garcia is 2 for 26 on the season, he has 31 career home runs in nearly 2000 career at bats.
To bat him 3rd once is extremely questionable, to do it in consecutive games is total incompetence.
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Apr 21 '22
and theres the insurmountable 2 run deficit. Ill watch this team when they wake up. Done for the day
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u/SlamminCleonSalmon The Big Hurt Apr 21 '22
There's just no way to defend how often Tony puts Garcia on the field.
He's 2 for 29 on the season, he's 31 years old so he's not some great talent waiting to break out, his outfield defense sucks, infield defense is sometimes passable, he's got no power in the bat and he's a shitty base runner.
He brings nothing to the team.
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u/fattbill Robert Apr 21 '22
.077 in the 3 spot. Andy on the bench. Let’s get it.
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u/SlamminCleonSalmon The Big Hurt Apr 21 '22
How the fuck are you gonna keep on batting Leury Garcia when he's two for twenty fucking eight on the season.
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u/rainytreeday Apr 21 '22
Robert can't stay healthy. It's concerning at this point.
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u/prUny Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22
Every batter in this lineup has become the worst version of themselves-
Tim popping out on pitch one
Robert swinging at sliders low and out of the strike zone
abreu grounding the ball to short
Yazmani not being patient
Eloy swinging at outside pitches
It’s the greatest hits of everybody’s shittiest
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u/nn44ss Diamond Apr 21 '22
Remember the first two games of the year when they were taking walks and working counts? What the fuck happened to that…
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u/Lil_we_boi Iguchi Apr 21 '22
Lmao Burger saw Tim going for that ball and said "hell no let me take care of this"
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u/Grizzy46 Diamondbacks Apr 21 '22
Leury Garcia has a -62 OPS+ and -76 wRC+ but sure let’s bat him 3rd
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u/BradyNFriends Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22
4 errors in nine games? Anderson committed a grand total of 10 in 122 games last season. Something going on with that guy mentally right now for this to be happening.
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u/AbbreviationsFar5885 Apr 21 '22
We honestly might be going on about 40-something innings straight where this offense doesn’t force an opposing pitcher to throw more than 15 pitches in a single inning
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u/BradyNFriends Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22
Tim Anderson and Luis Robert can’t hit back to back in the lineup because of how aggressive they are. Those guys will produce two outs in 5 or fewer pitches with their approaches. Moncada has to be slotted in at No. 2 upon his return because he’s a guy who can and is willing to take pitches in front of the No. 3 guy. Either move Robert to No. 3 or move him down a little further.
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u/GoldGlove2720 Apr 21 '22
Thats game. We are not scoring a run with how we look at the plate.
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u/nn44ss Diamond Apr 21 '22
Wouldn’t be a Sox game without the BaBIP gods showing up to fuck us a few times.
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u/ihavesensitiveknees 1976 Apr 21 '22
This season feels like the second half of last season with a long break in between. All the same issues rearing their ugly heads.
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u/Wowthatssadbruh Apr 21 '22
Sox ~100+ mph liners: hit right at someone 95% of the time
Guardians weak ass grounders: hit in the perfect spots constantly
I'm not saying the result of this game is purely bad luck but God damn.
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u/TacitlyDaft Hawk Apr 21 '22
The entire core we expected to keep this window open is made of fucking glass.
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u/Wowthatssadbruh Apr 21 '22
I'm literally scared every time Cleveland puts the ball in play lmao. Wincing until the play is actually made.
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Apr 21 '22
We look like amateurs on the bases out there. TLR needs to get these guys going. Terrible base running is now a habit? And errors on routine plays?
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u/NoOneDiedThisTime Kopech Apr 21 '22
Instead of garish necklaces and unbuttoned shirts to show your individuality, you should have to wear a big cowboy hat in the dugout if you lolligag or make dumb mistakes.
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u/TacitlyDaft Hawk Apr 21 '22
Yeah I think we’re doing a little detox from this team, as a treat. Can a mod throw me a 30 day ban or something?
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u/SlamminCleonSalmon The Big Hurt Apr 21 '22
I just don't understand how the Sox go from winning all of their first 3 series to going down 7-0 in game 1 yesterday and never being remotely close to Cleveland.
This team is so fucking bipolar.
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u/No_Pants_Bandit Apr 21 '22
This is basically the same squad as last year. And there were plenty of games where we would win by 10 runs in one game only to get shut out completely the next.
Also we are about as deep as a puddle which is a separate issue entirely, but I suspect that its playing a factor in this series.
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Apr 21 '22
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u/Grizzy46 Diamondbacks Apr 21 '22
Can’t forget about how he’s a switch hitter. He’s always got the matchup on his side
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u/EddySea Apr 21 '22
Yeah, he can strike out on both sides of the plate.
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u/Grizzy46 Diamondbacks Apr 21 '22
I think you’re underselling him. He can strike out AND ground out from both sides of the plate
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u/magooster 1950 Apr 21 '22
The 2017 100-loss Sox would destroy these pitiful 2022 Sox
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u/LewyDuke Apr 21 '22
This series needs to be a wakeup call for the team. Play awful defense, get slaughtered. The offense will come around, but I'm concerned about the defense.
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u/ShiteWox Taylor Apr 21 '22
Holy shit I can’t even defend TLR on this one at all, don’t care what Leury’s numbers are against Plesac he’s been lost at the plate recently
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u/PowSuperMum Paul Konerko Apr 21 '22
Remember when everyone loved Tim Anderson and said he was their dad? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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Apr 21 '22
12 games into the season and we already need someone to light a fire under everyone’s ass in the clubhouse. Would be pretty cool if our dinosaur of a manager knew how to communicate with these millennials and zoomers.
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Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22
Whew I was almost getting optimistic with that lead off hit. But luckily Burger immediately brought me back to reality. Slumping Yermin could do better than this current lineup ffs
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u/Rocketgrande Apr 21 '22
Can’t wait for the sycophants to explain why that wasn’t Leury’s fault even though it went right under his glove and an average second baseman could have snagged it
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u/IHaveFavorites Vibes are Immaculate Apr 21 '22
Literally can't do anything this series. Hard hit balls right to the fielder, bad base running, errors galore... This is just not fun.
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u/That_Shadow_Siren Apr 21 '22
This honestly feels like the Sox are being complacent and feeling like they have some superiority over their competition. I guess it's best to be humbled early on than later in the year.
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u/fattbill Robert Apr 21 '22
One thing for certain is that this division will not be a cakewalk for the Sox like last year
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u/SlamminCleonSalmon The Big Hurt Apr 21 '22
It's eerie how similar this season is to last season.
A bunch of stars hurt right at the beginning, except this time the replacements aren't bailing the team out.
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u/Riley_Turner La Pantera Apr 21 '22
Garcia in the 3rd spot again. I see we haven’t learned our lesson
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Apr 21 '22
Ricky had Nicky Delmonico, TLR has Leury. Some managers just have blind trust in some guys.
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u/MetalheadNick Thomas Apr 21 '22
All the starters in and leury is still batting third? I'm not gonna even try the mental gymnastics to justify that
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u/MalloYallow Go Sox! Apr 21 '22
I legitimately started laughing when I saw Garcia batting third. This has to be a prank or something.
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u/thefitz_ Thomas Apr 21 '22
Is this team even capable of hitting an above average RHP? This shit is embarrassing
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u/fArmageddon2 Apr 21 '22
Bro, didn't this game start at 1:10? I turn it on at 1:13 and we are already done with the commercial break with CLE about to bat?
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u/LewyDuke Apr 21 '22
This is eerily reminiscent of the spell Yoán went through during the Astros series last season where he made like 5-6 mistakes throwing and fielding
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u/IHaveFavorites Vibes are Immaculate Apr 21 '22
That K should have been 3rd out, Dylan throwing so many extra pitches thanks to Tim
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u/BradyNFriends Apr 21 '22
From 2016-2018, Tim Anderson was one of the lowest graded shortstops in baseball and committed the most errors at the position over that span. He seems to returning back to form.
I’m sure he’ll figure it out and not continue this trend.
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u/BradyNFriends Apr 21 '22
Coming into today, White Sox offense is 8th worst in BA, 8th worst in SLG, 2nd worst in BB with only 24. Pollock and Moncada can’t return soon enough.
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u/Gravity_Axe Apr 21 '22
It’s an offensive slump. Even in the Seattle and Tampa wins, there weren’t many runs scored
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u/Lil_we_boi Iguchi Apr 21 '22
Don't know whether to be concerned or not. I was not concerned when our slump initially started for 3 weeks after the all-star break last year, but that "3 week span" soon turned into a half season span.
I'll chill out for now since it's just the start of the season.
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Apr 21 '22
So we would have been out of the inning if we didn't have a slow right fielder and then Dylan gives up a bomb to Reyes on a pretty terrible pitch
Cool
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u/DerangedProtege Apr 21 '22
Some of the worst baserunning I’ve ever seen by Robert. Inexcusable to not be able to read that
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u/ihavesensitiveknees 1976 Apr 21 '22
We have to have one of the lowest team baseball IQs in the league.
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u/brandochu009 Apr 21 '22
Those 2 days off really mindfucked this team - nobody, coaching staff included, has their head in the game.
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u/thefitz_ Thomas Apr 21 '22
If burger or haseley can get on base next inning I like our chances of blowing this open
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u/NoOneDiedThisTime Kopech Apr 21 '22
I can't remember the last game there wasn't some awkward near collision in the OF. Defense is poorly taught/practiced in general.
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u/ThrowAwayAcc47777 Apr 21 '22
Why couldn’t this poverty franchise just sell Ramirez off? He’s so annoying.
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u/MetalheadNick Thomas Apr 21 '22
I wish that run didn't feel like a death blow but this offense has been so anemic
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u/Sangral Jimenez Apr 21 '22
Another ball well hit right into the outfielder's glove, doesn't even have to move
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u/cheesehead9805 Apr 21 '22
Why is this offense so cold right now. Just really some frustrating baseball
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u/PooPooKing420 Anderson Apr 21 '22
I’m so fucking sick of getting punked by these fucks every time we come to Cleveland
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u/BradyNFriends Apr 21 '22
White Sox have hit the ball way harder than the Guardians today but have been way less fortunate.
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u/halfcastdota Robert Apr 21 '22
man i go check on the score and see robert has had a bounce back game then i go look at who’s batting in the 3 hole😭😭😭
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u/That_Shadow_Siren Apr 21 '22
It's early in the season. But man, this team has just laid egg after egg against the Guardians of the Galaxy over here. Like, can we have some offense, some runs, please?
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u/bigmayne23 Apr 21 '22
The baseball gods are punishing the white sox for being complacent in the offseason
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u/Grizzy46 Diamondbacks Apr 21 '22
If we get to Leurys spot can we please sub Vaughn in. Let Vaughn play 2nd. Who gives a fuck
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u/BradyNFriends Apr 21 '22
Giants made this team look like a last place team last weekend, just saying
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u/ResidentCheetah594 Apr 21 '22
Of course, our best bullpen pitcher so far gives up 2. Fuck this city and fuck this series
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Apr 21 '22
I can tell that collision wasn’t intentional but how are you supposed to field the ball in that situation. Has to be interference.
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u/Grizzy46 Diamondbacks Apr 21 '22
Luis if you need a leg, I’m not using mine for anything productive
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u/BradyNFriends Apr 21 '22
This team is having so much trouble offensively that Jose Abreu, who can’t hit a fastball anymore, is the least of the Sox concerns.
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u/MSPaintYourMistake Apr 21 '22
Is it just me or does Robert look like he's wincing/hurting every single time he exerts himself?
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u/That_Shadow_Siren Apr 21 '22
Don't tell me Robert will be the baseball version of Derrick Rose . Can't be getting hurt all the time, man.
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u/TacitlyDaft Hawk Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22
Luis “Byron “Derrick “Yoan “Eloy Jimenez” Moncada” Rose” Buxton” Robert
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u/CampfireBeast Taylor Apr 21 '22
Fuck this cursed series holy god was that painful. I’m going to drink enough tonight to forget all about this shit show.
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u/hiphopthewalrus Tim Anderson Apr 21 '22
"How many first pitch balls have they swung at?"
Could be easily substituted for:
"How many first pitch balls have Cleveland pitchers thrown?"
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u/bumpofyeetler Apr 21 '22
Andrew Vaughn is hitting .310/.375/.552 and he's somehow the first guy that TLR will bench. I don't get it. Why is Sheets treated as an equal option? Vaughn is our best hitter to this point you shouldn't be looking for reasons to bench him.
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u/reiks12 Go Sox! Apr 21 '22
He is on pace to play 100 games this season, what is this front office doing?
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u/ptfreak The Big Hurt Apr 21 '22
Yeah what the fuck was Leury doing there. Really forced Joe's hand.
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u/justin213333 Apr 21 '22
What does Leury actually bring to this team? He can play multiple positions terribly? What a dynamic fuckin player
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u/TacitlyDaft Hawk Apr 21 '22
If this team wins the division, much like last year, it will be a result of talent and not because there is a functioning brain cell on the field or bench.
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u/nn44ss Diamond Apr 21 '22
If you’re batting in the 1/2 hole, perhaps you should take a pitch or two ffs.
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u/CampfireBeast Taylor Apr 21 '22
I’ve been defending TLR for a while now… I completely share everyone’s feelings on the lineup today. I can’t for the life of me figure out why Leury is batting 3rd. Seems like obvious self sabotage to almost everyone with a brain.
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u/Riley_Turner La Pantera Apr 21 '22
We hit it hard = out. Cleveland hits a weak grounder= straight through the infield
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u/Rocketgrande Apr 21 '22
Under 20 pitches. FML. At what point does the FO clean house on the coaching staff. I know the answer is never, but a man can dream.
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Apr 21 '22
Honestly I think the team had too many days off
Can really mess with your mojo if you had 2 postponements in a row. Especially if you’re not home
They’ll get out of this funk soon enough
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u/MetalheadNick Thomas Apr 21 '22
I'm gonna be quite upset if this offense fucks over the pitching staff again
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u/SHANE523 Robert Apr 21 '22
I know I pretty much watch the White Sox but I don't think I have ever seen a team swing at more balls out of the zone and let balls go in the zone than the WS!
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Apr 21 '22
Oh hell yeah! A lead off double from the 2 hitter. Surely the powerful 3 bat will get him in!
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u/Gravity_Axe Apr 21 '22
I just smashed my 4K TV in front of over 30 guests at my baseball party because of the White Sox performance lately. My wife just took our crying kids and said they’re all spending the night in a motel. This team has ruined my life and my party. I can’t do this any longer. Goodbye.