Okay, so I’m starting this out saying I enjoyed watching the show. I liked it. I just finished it after watching it for like a month.

But oh my god did it pmo (in a fun way ig).

There were so many inconsistencies, and I loved to complain about them. Like Audrey, she switched up so fast after literally 7 years of being a Wilford hater, to just get sucked back into his manipulations and stay there through all the shit. (Also, lowkey, her songs were kind of ass sometimes. Her voice was really good, but most of the songs were so badly written 💀)

And Layton: I hate that guy so much. He comes out of the tail, having gotten this really good opportunity to be needed by his oppressors and possibly start changing shit, and he immediately gets with his ex. After spending >7 years with Josie in the tail, basically adopting a kid with her, he sleeps with what’s-her-face at the first opportunity, AND KNOCKS HER UP. And once Josie finds out, she DOESN’T get mad at him??? And then he basically leaves Josie for Zarah, bc she’s pregnant with his child 🙄, Josie kind of gets with Ben but is still obvi in love with Andre, and then the second Andre tells her he wants her back Josie gets with him again. When Andre found Asha, I legit thought she would become another love interest for him. He just acts so self-righteous, like he’s “for the people”, but acts so un-loyally to the women he’s with???? And we’re supposed to like him???

And Melanie. I love her, she’s such a good character, but Omg how tf did she come back from doing the climate model thing??? I know it explained how she survived, but I also know it was so unlikely and unrealistic. It felt so cheap, the big emotional moment where “omg Melanie’s dead, Alex will never see her again” and then “omg Melanie’s actually alive”. I loved her character, but she should’ve just died.

I love Alex’s relationship with Wilford, like the toxicity and how it was shown as a love-hate, bc Alex was basically raised by him, but knows that he was a horrible person, but still loves him.

AND ROCHE. He’s been going back and forth from the Silo to New Eden for however-long, and NO ONE REALLY QUESTIONS OR EXPLAINS IT. Wtf was he doing?? How did he discover them?? How close has the Silo been this entire time?????? Actually, did they ever explain what the silo even was???

That reminds me: the first season, the engine never stopping, the train never stopping moving was a big plot point, or the engine freezes and they all die. But as he seasons go on, they completely ignore that. How did snowpiercer connect to the silo? Was the silo moving with snowpiercer? Did the train just not move that entire time???

The drawers: why was that such a big plot point the earlier season, but completely ignored later on? They had KIDS in the drawers. That’s hugely fucked up.

New Eden: Alex is getting nosebleeds bc of the atmosphere (radiation?? I don’t remember exactly why, and this one might have actually been explained) but everyone is safe to live there??

Miles and miles: he literally disappeared in the later seasons.

I can’t think of much else rn, but OMFG there was so much.

I’m using voice to text because I have a lot to say so. Excuse me if there’s some errors. firstly I would like to say I started this journey because a week ago I just kept hearing about the snow piercer movie, which I did know existed, but had never watched I started off watching the show and I waited until about season two and episode three before I paused and watched the movie

I have to say after watching season one of the show the movie was highly disappointing, but I do have the nuisance to realize that the show has more world building and I hate fast paced cinema, which is why I didn’t like the movie however that is not the point the point is the Snowpiercer TV show is probably one of the best shows I’ve sat down and thoroughly watched since heroes, lost and from was a big thing.

I love the character development. I love the pacing. I love it all right up until about season three. it completely went downhill for me and I feel like a lot of it was dragged out plots to just waste time so people in the background could be justified for having such big things going on in the background, a lot of the time I was confused as to the parallel of what was going on on the other train, etc.

And if I’m being honest when big Alice was introduced, it was a big eye roll moment for me it just got to the point where it felt like a lot was just added to where it could make the story last longer which I would’ve been fine with before. But the ending we just had in season four was the biggest letdown I’ve ever been a part of.

honestly I would’ve rather seen where we went with the storyline if the rocket did explode versus to how they just rushed the end and now I’m sitting here disappointed because this show has been well known for years and considering season four aired in 2024 and we’re about to be approaching 2027.

I haven’t looked into it but as far as I know, that’s all there’s going to be and I’m feeling like I would’ve rather never watch the show then sat through a ending where I feel like so many things are unexplained now I just feel like I’ve wasted a week of my life and watched a meaningless movie to understand the undertone

I heard this show isn't phenomenal but it's good "popcorn TV" so I decided to watch it but man the first 2 seasons were perfect for me, I was completely hooked. Melanie and Wilford were such interesting characters and they were played to perfection by their actors. Didn't care much for the last 2 seasons. Whoever decided to always do cold openers with characters doing voiceovers, ending with "On Snowpiercer... xxxx cars long" deserves a raise coz that was sooooooo good!!! And I looked forward to every single one of them.

Started season three and good god i hate this guy. Does he get any worse from here because if he is it's over

The things he's said and done are horrid in my eyes and he is starting to annoy the living DAYLIGHTS out of me. Im sorry to those of you who like wilford but seriously does he get ANY better than this?

I misunderstood the S1 discovery to be that there were 4,000 drawers filled with people who were in stasis until the world warmed up. Seemed like the best way to have an "Ark" for humanity and I expected it to come back around in S4. Could fit in like 30 cars.

Just an interesting thought that would've added a little more depth to the show.

Can someone tell me who plays claude in the movie, shes really pretty 🥺

The whole series was too amazing! The very different personalities, like charismatic Wilford, it was sad to see him die. And touching stories with different engaging plot twists and everything coming together piece by piece, Layton and Roche was also amazing how they stand up for the people, and would do anything to protect their loved ones, but it was sad to see this series end, we really need more seasons or spinoffs.

Why did they look for the one boys specific protein bar then pull out the pill from it?

What is the significance of it if it just has a piece of paper with something written on it.

Then at the cooking section there’s one that says water.

And of course the end when one says train.

I watched twice I’m not following this at all.

Thank you!!!!

Hey guys so I love the movie and want to read the books and watch the show, just wandering what the consensus for both of them are in terms of quality and entertainment. Secondly, is there any new snowpiercer projects in the works? I think a table top RPG would be terrific! Thank you and have great day!

When I saw the movie years ago, the one thing that disappointed me is that the film's limited length really trimmed out a lot of the worldbuilding that I would have hoped for. The film was a (fairly heavyhanded, granted) allegory for class struggle. I mostly presumed the small size of the train in the film to be a version of "video game logic", where the world is scaled down for the sake of the maintaining the message.

The show was neat and gave that worldbuilding more room to breathe, but... still felt like as the seasons went on, a lot of more interesting questions got avoided. Yeah, Wilford, New Eden, all that, cool, but I wish they'd doven into something tougher that would keep the fandom talking for years later.

My thoughts:

Season 1 was a good start. I thought the fake Wilford/Melanie thing was a great deviation from the film. Do I think they could have leaned into the worldbuilding and "environmental storytelling" more, yes, but again, decent start.

Where I think things get off the rails a little bit is S2 onward. Really, it seems like if you wanted to keep the central theme of the train and it's society going, you just structure the seasons around that, and even keep some of the core plot beats.

Season 2 begins and the Tailies are a part of Third Class. Now of course there's a class struggle between the Thirdies and the Tailies, and then everyone else. Season 2 could have very much been about the complexities of a post-revolution society without Wilford there to stir the pot himself. Maybe you end up with a society that is worse for wear, no one is really happy and factionalism is running rampant across the train. Frankly, Season 2 could have done without Wilford's machanations; plotwise, this could have all been handled by the classes of the new society themselves.

If you want to keep the "conjoined trains" plotline or introduce some added conflict, you do that as Snowpiercer is at it's lowest societal point with everyone at each others' throats on the brink of civil war. Suddenly, we get hit with new outsiders. I thought the "border" and interactions between Wilford's faction and Snowpiercer were themselves decent concepts that frankly never got expanded upon -- some people get the idea that maybe having two societies with different values or things to offer is better. There's your central conflict as everyone wants total control of the train. I think works with or without Wilford, who to me more reflects the "old order as understood by the train" and a character who could embody the desire for "familiar stability" in the midst of social upheaval -- perhaps a separate conflict than some of the other ones I suggested.

In general, while I like character-driven shows, my main criticism of the show is that it's character writing can be all over the place; I kind of expected each characters' class to play more of a role in their characterization long-term rather than everyone just kind of getting on board with whatever the plot demands at that time. I won't belabor that; it comes up enough in discussions, so I really bring it up to say that a lot of character writing criticisms could be solved by leaning much more into the worldbuilding. The worldbuilding is the the foundation for how characters act and react to these conflicts, and imo Snowpiercer sort of misses it's potential by going more soapy rather than honing in on it's central premise.

I was trying to find the dimensions of the train from the movie, for a design project, like I already know the full length of the train and the length of the individual carriages, but does anyone know the width or height of the carriages, are there any estimates?

Any information or estimates would be helpful

Finished watching it today, wanted to make a big post but i rather keep it short.

I loved the story idea of the world freezing and humanity has to live on a train.
Overall, the show is rather disappointing.

I would still rate it 6-7/10

Some small things really trigger me in such stories, that it just doesn't feel 'serious'
- Wilford does so much shyt, but each time he is restricted by people who are so lax, why never use a fucking tallie to guard him? restrict his movement, chain him maybe?

- Dr Headwood, zero consequences faced. She brings in zarah and the kid for a hostage situation. Nothing happens to her and she it taken to new eden.

- The drama between Layton and Melanie after she was rescued. Layton keep yapping we are following your science but does not give two fucks about her opinion. That whole conflict felt so braindead and prolly reason i lost interest in the show. Sure they were building to the scenario where Wilford will end up like Melanie and suffer. But it was so childish, mainly layton inciting a war.

I get they had to recycle the same main characters. But most of the side characters act like such an NPC and easily forgotton

- the asain chick who was swimming butt naked and with "Not Best TILL" suddenly vanished.
- the last aussie girl, where are you?
- Lillah forger was an interesting character, but what a lame death
- so many deaths served no purpose
- the Doctor who was looking after the drawers.

even Dr Headwood showing Dr Nimo that she 'resurrected' someone in the white combat suit near the end. I thought maybe they gonna make an ass pull and say it was BEN or the dead captain. But what a worthless insertion cause nothing was shown.

I can keep ranting but i'll leave it as that.

I did like wilford, alex, ruth, forger junior, javi & ben

I put off watching this series for years. I loved the movie and when I heard they were making a show I figured it was a typical cash grab and swore it off. Had lots of people recommend it, but then again a lot of bad shows still end up popular.

Anyway, finally decided to watch it. Very quickly realized how similar the viewing experience was to Prison Break for me. Another show I put off watching for a long time and then sat down to give it a go. First season, interesting premise. Good thriller style high tension show with lots of twisty turny schemes where our characters try to outwit their adversaries. But each revolution just repeats the same idea over and over, with less care and attention to tightly provide a satisfying story. Now this type of show can get away with being sloppy if it also has tight characters, arcs, and relationships. But this show also jettisons each of these very quickly. With that said, it isn't all terrible and I did finish it. But the biggest let down, is feeling that there's an actual high quality, masterpiece of a show that could've been tightly put together across 4 seasons and reach a satisfying conclusion.

Following that preamble, some key points I'm left with ordered into a haphazard list worthy of Snowpiercer's writing.

• Layton's initial investigation of the murders appears to have not really mattered. LJ was just a serial killer I guess for reasons.
• How the hell did Melanie actually survive and get onto the single-car Melpiercer? So much of her isolated episode is S2 was spent on the minutiae of the batteries, suit, dwindling resources and the very limited exposure she could endure to the elements. When the drives are found along with her poignant letter, we get it based on everything in that episode she's dead and gone. Yet somehow she fashions her own trainpod and returns. At the very least I'd have liked to see how that happened. This is a recurring theme within these issues, when someone survives something off screen it's just handwaved. Bringing me to...
• Wilford surviving the big freeze. I can buy he had Big Alice in waiting and could get the crew together. Even that he made the trek to get Alex. But again, some flashback would've been exciting and interesting to see. The show really hates having to elaborate, and I think some strong flashbacks would've been good.
• But then again, the writing in season 4 with the time skips were so poorly done that really they were mostly meaningless. "3 months earlier", "12 months later". At a certain point I found myself unclear of whether it was relating to present day or another period.
• The show could've really stopped having antagonists once Wilford was out of the way. He was great, and he definitely should've stayed gone once exiled. However the series places itself in the post apocalypse. The antagonist is the environment that's trying to kill it. Maybe if season 4 instead had them find the silo and work together to make new Eden work without the petty admiral no character. The issues with trying to survive should've been enough.
• The revolutionary political cycle in the first couple seasons were probably the best overarching plot. The uprising, wartime leader Layton, populist Wilford. But Layton should've died or abdicated once Wilford was dealt with, with the attempts at democracy maybe lead by Ruth sooner. There's a lot of potential plot to mine here that they didn't bother with. Layton should not have been the leader at the end, if anything a sagely old statesman that advises but is still seen as an "extremist" for his bloody past.
• This show could not let anyone stay dead. Melanie, Josie, Wilford, Javi and even the goddam ratman at the end is brought back to life for no reason. But poor Ben has to die just cause the ledger was in the red.
• Both the admiral and Wilfords deaths sucked. The Admiral was hardly even a character, once dead he was quickly replaced by Nima. Realistically the two could've been one character and nothing would be lost. Wilford also an heroing himself with a tainted jimmy was complete tripe. A more satisfying end for such a fan favourite villain would be to have him sacrifice himself for the train, redeeming him, but not letting him stick around to cause more mayhem in future.
• Audrey was so poorly written. I think most viewers thought when she went to Wilford she was playing some long game. So much time was spent establishing what she'd gone through to become who she is in the night car. How she was used and abused by Wilford and come out the other side. But then she becomes as repugnant as him. She didn't just love him, she was also as evil as him. Hateful, cynical, selfish. It sucked. She didn't deserve to be redeemed again and should've died for Wilford's cause.
• Roches disappearance in season 4 with no explanation, his fake story etc felt so undeveloped. Felt like some type of double cross or coercion that they just abandoned.
• The train is at least 10km long, probably over 20km. Poor Ruth doing that commute. You'd think they'd have come up with some kind of train within the train that's be in use constantly and not just a plot convenience to get around jackboots.
• Characters disappearing. The doctor and agsec scientist in season 1 just vanish. Along with the two australians,and mr dr headwood. Flu? Sure. Miles being integral to the first season then disappearing for half of the second season to reappear as a 40 year old guy with a hat for 30s of screentime.
• The constant threat of resource issues without consequence or context - the train has its food production, agsec, healthcare and they're both constantly under threat and then unimportant depending on the day of the week. I wish the show picked a lane. Either don't talk about it, and the audience won't think about it - like Star Wars. Or be constantly keeping the audience up to speed on the specifics, how the train can provide enough and whatever cycular processes exist to ensure abundance - like Star Trek.
• I liked a lot of the cast. But the series became a slog without Melanie and she's gone from most of the show from season 2 onwards. Sure she's expensive. But she really is the lead. Andre I thought was a good actor but he was so poorly written, particularly after the first season. I think Till was also pretty poorly written. Wilford was brilliant. I liked Ruth, Ben, Alex, and Javi too. Pike was so unbelievably wasted. Everything about his character was a disaster and I think the audience instantly knew what type of character he should've been the moment they saw him and the show just did the opposite every time. He's a great actor but he was done so dirty.

And my final thoughts: * How to not let the train idle for the people of New Eden - build a circular track connected to the main track and just stick a brick on the gas.

So I just finished s3e1 and have some questions.

At the end of season 2, the train spent a month travelling to get around and back to Melanie.

Snowpiercer was in the front, and big Alice at the back.

They then go down the slope and disconnect from each other at some point afterwards.

All of a sudden, in an instant they are back at the station and expect Melanie to be alive?

How does this make sense? It would take a considerable amount of time to get back to her, by which she would almost certainly have been dead..

I know what happens in the rest of the show, so I don’t mind spoilers but this point just didn’t make much sense.. is this a sign for things to come lol

SPOILER ALERT (not sure if necessary)

Hi there, I've been watching the Netflix series and am halfway through season 3 at the moment.

I did not explicitly ask because I though putting a big spoiler in the title was not cool, but here is the actual question :

Did Melanie Cavill really chose to die not to have to eat human flesh ? She had an arm or even more available, but she did decide to die because "ran out of resources", right ? So instead of resorting to cannibalism for an extreme situation, she just decided to give up on meeting her daughter but still expected her to come at some point ?!?!

It does not seem to make any sense, is anybody else sharing this feeling ?

PS : oh and btw, people probably need to stop underestimating what the human body can do, I am pretty sure that somebody not underfed like Melanie Cavill could have survived a 30~40 days fast (with water) without dying, without even needing to eat the rations she had and even less the rats

Recently finished watching the Snowpiercer series (movie is next on the list), and while I thoroughly enjoyed it, I'm quite surprised by Wilford's decision, at the end. Granted, I can see a certain logic in it; it's another form of control, taking himself out rather than letting Layton have the pleasure of pulling the trigger. In a way, even depriving the audience of having the pleasure of seeing him get what's coming to him.

But, Wilford has time and again proven to be a planner, of sorts, a schemer. Conniving. Self-driven. And nothing short of ambitious. Even as he was talking about poisons, and was slumping on the floor from the effects of the cigarette, I was genuinely expecting this to be a ploy, some escape plan, so to speak, that he had for just such an occasion. I don't think he was acting, but, I do know there are certain drugs, plant and otherwise, that can simulate the effects of death, even going so far as to stop or just slow the heart. I honestly thought that his cigarette might've been laced with such a drug, so that he could avoid this encounter, and then show up to "save the day" shortly thereafter in hopes of using his "heroic actions" as leverage to get himself back into the good graces of people, or at least less close to getting shot on sight by 80% of the surviving human race.

I feel like that course of action would've been more inline with his personality. Am I alone in this thinking?

So I just rewatched season 4 then thought eh what the heck let’s rewatch 1-3 too.

In season 4, Ben has to uncouple cars manually outside because “there are no breach suits left”.

I’m currently watching s1 episode 10 — Melanie and Ben have breach suits on and are about to go outside to do something when Melanie cuts the tube on Ben’s breach suit to prevent him going out there with her. I just found it haunting, having just watched season 4. If she hadn’t done that at the end of s1, would there have been 1 breach suit left for Ben to use in s4? Maybe I’m totally forgetting else that happens later but if not, crazy to think about

This is a sketch I did of Andre Layton, played by Daveed Diggs, the main character in the Snowpiercer TV series.
Rylan and I just finished watching all four seasons. I enjoyed it for the most part. The production was good and it had some nice twists and turns and the subject matter and concepts were interesting but the show never really pushed it far enough in any one direction. Plus the train is 1000 cars long but they kept showing the same ten cars or so. I realize you can't show them all but a few more would have been nice.
But besides that here's the thing that stood out to me: Daveed Diggs looks a lot like one of my coworkers, albeit a different ethnicity. Which reminded me of the time I went to the Dominican Republic on a mission trip and some of the people I met there looked like people I knew back home.
Which just emphasizes the fact that we are all one big family with a shared lineage.

And...this ties back to Snowpiercer because the battle cry in the train for equality among all people is "one train."

I'm sorry but no one can convince me wilford was not THE head engineer. mans been doing wibbly wobbly wire magic cut some connect some and so controlling every machine including layton's buttplug since s2. let alone the fact that he built snowpiercer...

Like the title says, I enjoyed watching the movie several times and felt like there was a lot of untold stories and wasn't very happy with the ending. I've considered watching the show and even started watching the first couple episodes.

I realize most people here are probably here because they love the show, but I'm curious to know why YOU like it.

Given how we're lucky they even managed to make and release season 4 at all, I guess you can give the finale some leeway, but it's still kind of underwhelming. Spoilers for season 4 below:

it was kind of obvious that the end of season 3 status quo, aka new eden and snowpiercer both surviving, would have to be maintained for a happy ending, but then it is kind of annoying to think that season 4 has no effect on the plot except for introducing and then killing a bunch of people

Like in season 1 everyone thought there was a tiny amount of humans left, so murder was always a last resort, what with sparing the tallies and taking arms and drawering people etc. Killing the jackboots really feels like a loss of precious human life even if they're the enemy. But in season 4 they just kill off Ben, one of the last few engineers on the planet, kill off wilford and milius for semi-decent reasons, give a bunch of not-UN soldiers the stormtrooper treatment, and then randomly have Nima just allow himself to freeze for no good reason. Did George R.R. Martin write season 4 or something?

Ben's death stuck out to me the most, he was one of 4 actual train engineers in existence, to the point where even wilford and milius would never kill him, but he just gets iced like it's nothing. It made a really emotional death scene, which is probably the point, but I don't understand how Till suddenly was a good enough engineer for Big Alice even though they didn't spend that much time together, and I doubt Miles has had enough time to become a proper engineer yet. Maybe that unnamed animal squad engineer contributes in the future. Who knows?

The ending is alright and still allows for worldbuilding possibilities in headcanon, with the train, New Eden, the Silo, and maybe other warm spots coexisting, although there won't be any future installations. But there is the massive unresolved plot hole of the fact that the New Eden pocket is confirmed to be unstable, and Melanie basically says "erm yep nothing we can do about it because no one is alive who has the skills to continue R&D on a safe version of Gemini, but at least we'll be here together. Right alex?" Unless the graphic of flowers at the end shows that the warm spot is growing despite inconclusive data

The Till-Audrey story didn't make much sense to me because Audrey supposedly just fell out of love with wilford and moved on with Till just like that? To be fair this could be realistic for abusive or toxic relationships like Wilford and Audrey had, I wouldn't know, but it just seems a bit of forced.

But that's probably just my silly gripes, still a great show even if it strayed from the original train premise a bit after season 1. It would be nice to see some more.

I adore the movie and just binged the show over the last month. I'm going to miss being immersed in this universe.

A few thoughts:

• Layton's actor was not great in seasons 1 and 2
• Roche is absolutely my favorite.
• the season 4 finale was sooo bad

A small video showcasing my custom N scale Snowpiercer.