r/pcmasterrace • • Jun 17 '26

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u/bartek_666666 Jun 17 '26

Right after meeting with ubisoft CEO.

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u/West-One5944 Jun 17 '26

Seriously?!

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u/digita1catt Ryzen 7 3700x | RTX 3080 FE Jun 17 '26

Can't even make it up. Ridiculous levels of corruption.

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u/Vegetable_Safety Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26

Yep, seems to be the way of all systemic power these days. Very few people with integrity or ethics left

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u/BOBOnobobo Desktop Jun 17 '26

There's a lot of people with integrity.

But the rich CEO and people who benefit from corruption don't support them early in their career so they never get far.

We need to help elect good people in our own cities as well.

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u/gs87 Jun 17 '26

What's the faster path to political power: earning the trust of millions of voters (who believes social media religiously), or earning the support of a few oligarchs who control the social media platforms those voters get their information from?

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u/BOBOnobobo Desktop Jun 17 '26

Well put.

I hate how the media has just become a vessel of indoctrination.

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u/HUEHUECOYOTL_xd Jun 17 '26

My brother it was always like that

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u/WerdaVisla Jun 17 '26

Not really.

I'm dating myself with this, but I remember a time where communication over the internet was niche enough [read: required enough effort] that not everyone was using it and so governments didn't spend their time and money astroturfing online.

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u/Psych0191 Jun 17 '26

I would say there is a difference in media and mass media regarding use for propaganda purposes. What you remember is internet beind a “media”, and now its mass media

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u/WytchHunter23 Jun 17 '26

Yeah but that just proves the point. Not enough people were using it. You know what they were using? Their TV's and radios. You know what was heavily a tool of mass manipulation? Those TVs and radios.

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u/IcestormsEd Jun 17 '26

One could argue mass media as an indocrination and propaganda tool dates way back to invention of the printing press around 1440. Internet is just another form. Brain chips are probably next. /s

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u/d_bradr Jun 18 '26

The media isn't just the Internet, the Internet is just the new popular media. Before that it was newspapers, radios, TVs etc. I bet no matter how old you are the popular/mainstream media of your youth was held hostage by oligarchs

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u/Ragnarok3246 Jun 17 '26

It wasnt. There was a time of Atlee, FDR, drees and others.

We can have that time again, if tax billionaires to the brink.

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u/SanestExile i7 14700K | RTX 4080 Super | 32 GB 6000 MT/s CL30 Jun 17 '26

Not everywhere

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u/Madara1389 Jun 17 '26

Where exactly?

Because even before modern news companies, media & entertainment was heavily used to indoctrinate and sway the masses by those in power.

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u/Saymynaian Jun 17 '26

Maybe so, but at least there used to be laws demanding less biased coverage of situations.

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u/TheSangson Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26

Now we have things like the media lobbied "agency privilege" in Germany, which means you can publish any given bs as long as it was part of a press agency release without fearing repercussions for it being a false report.

This allows for very cheap automated publishing of whatever a press agency puts out as factual news, without even a human journalist involved, let alone one that knows anything about the matter reported.

I'm assuming the same or similar is in place all over the western world.

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u/Furry_69 Jun 18 '26

Not to this level. Not insidious and in everything. Not designed to suck you in and create echo chambers. Not designed to keep you ignorant of anything but your orange Messiah. (I know he's specific to the US but it still gets my point across even if you aren't from the US.)

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u/HUEHUECOYOTL_xd Jun 18 '26

Well, advancement in technology means advancement in tools of the enemy as well.

The mechanism and the logic behind this pattern remain the same though

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u/AdElectronic4912 Jun 17 '26

Luckily, fast ain't steady.

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u/Donut_Doctor Jun 18 '26

You need to control the keys to power in order to have power. And those keys to power need to control their own keys to power, etc. etc. Making people happy = taking power away from the keys. You make those keys unhappy, and they will put someone else in your place. - an idea from CGP Grey on YT.

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u/bronzelifematter Jun 17 '26

Yeah, corruption is unavoidable. No matter what system we use to govern through thousands of years of civilization, one thing that remains unchanged is corruption always exist in every single one of them. It's almost like it's a part of human nature at this point

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u/notanolive Jun 17 '26

It’s also been shown that power corrupts well intentioned people, I don’t know if the people at the top are the problem or rather the systems of power that be create the unethical

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u/Madara1389 Jun 17 '26

The core problem is that society itself is unnatural (requiring adherence to rules that contradict animal nature to function) and animal nature leans towards corruption.

After all, corruption is literally just "doing things to benefit yourself at the expense of others." That's survival in nature 101. You horde resources for your small tribe while neglecting competing tribes from having access to those resources.

Brains of social animals really struggle to cope with groups larger than 100-150 individuals (save those with hive minds). Hell, most struggle to cooperate with other groups of the same species.

We were never biologically evolved to group up into tribes of millions, nor to view the entire human race as our collective tribe. Which is why "power corrupts"; everyone is still an animal and our instincts telling us to prioritize ourself & family over the other groups of people in our nation are simply too strong for most people to overcome.

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u/notanolive Jun 17 '26

Thus leading to a cycle of dismantling those in power when they horde too much and it starts over again. A species doomed from the beginning with its propensity for violence and self interest. It seems to be no solution to the problem. But also you say most, I don’t think the entirety of our species is the same. Is there hope for humanity to overcome that? I don’t know. Intellectually, no; but my heart hopes for it.

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u/Madara1389 Jun 17 '26

Right. We're stuck in a cycle that can't be broken, at least not by homo sapiens.

Maybe some day we'll evolve into a new form of human that won't have the same struggles, but no one alive or related to anyone alive is going to see the end of corruption & war. They're byproducts of animal nature that, as far as we're aware, no species has been able to solve. As you put it, there very well may not be a possible solution at all. It may just be something we'll have to deal with until the end of life in the universe.

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u/Generic-Name69420 Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26

The much bigger issue is that our entire hierarchy of authority selects for narcissistic psychopaths. To get into a position of power you

a) have to believe you're the person best suited to wield it and

b) be as unscrupulous as possible to maximize your chances of success.

The people who come into power in the first place are unfit to rule by design, and the problem is only ever exacerbated as you climb the hierarchy.

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u/Violexsound Jun 17 '26

These days?

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u/Vegetable_Safety Jun 17 '26

There were more regulations they had to follow in the past, and actual risk/weight associated with breaking the law

Now their position is; "I do as I wish, PR will handle the rest, and the consequence is a small fine if I'm caught"

The judicial and electoral systems need to be completely divorced from this money game. Too much fucking around and not enough finding out going on.

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u/d_bradr Jun 18 '26

They used to be afraid of the people because the people could fight them, win and behead them. And people did so eagerly

There are very few countries in which people have a chance in a war against the cops and army and all of them built such good lives for their people that they don't feel like risking their lives just to put one deranged idiot in place of another deranged idiot

Sucks to say it but they won

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u/Allsons i7-4770k@3.6 R9280x Crossfire Jun 17 '26

I'm not sure there ever was any.

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u/Exciting-Cancel6468 Jun 17 '26

Well, you could always completely boycott ubisoft. Just buy indies. No games from big corporations anymore.

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u/Vegetable_Safety Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26

moot point, I haven't bought anything from Ubi, Infinity Ward, DICE, or EA since the first assassins creed came out

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u/Exciting-Cancel6468 Jun 17 '26

I think I've only bought 2 games ever from them. I don't buy from EA or from UBI for sure.

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u/Arelmar 4070 Super / 5800x3D / 32GB 3600mhz Jun 17 '26

Corporations rule over governments. Cyberpunk got it completely right

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u/BattedBook5 Jun 17 '26

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u/Cybarbossa Jun 17 '26

You goddam right

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u/Sasquatch8600 2700x | RTX2080-A8G | 64GB 3200Mhz CL16 Jun 17 '26

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u/offensiveDick Jun 17 '26

Cant wait to get my robodick

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u/clone0112 Jun 17 '26

Yeah but we don't even have the cool cyberpunk shit.

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u/Cohacq Jun 17 '26

We can go even further back than that. Marx mentioned how capital dominates the world, even above kings and politicians, over 150 years ago.

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u/Comfortable-Dig-6118 Jun 17 '26

Oh well money is still power in disguise I guess

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u/Cohacq Jun 17 '26

Its not even disguised. Wealth has always been a tool for power, and our current ruling class flaunt it even more than the old kings.

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u/Comfortable-Dig-6118 Jun 18 '26

I like to see money as the ultimate power object, solidified power itself

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u/Cohacq Jun 18 '26

Definitely. Because with a lot of it, you can simply buy the world. 

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u/Comfortable-Dig-6118 Jun 18 '26

Well I can't deny that they are trying to buy the world

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u/Ass4ssinX Jun 17 '26

Yep, it's Capitalism all the way down.

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u/Raskuja46 Jun 17 '26

I'd prefer Shadowrun. If we're going to be ruled by megalomaniacal greedy creatures who run corporations can they at least be the fire breathing variety?

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u/OldWorldDesign Jun 18 '26

I'd prefer Shadowrun. If we're going to be ruled by megalomaniacal greedy creatures who run corporations can they at least be the fire breathing variety?

That and magic regularly appears in the poor, so it's not like chrome (and thus money) is the only way to go.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA MOS 6510 @ 1.023 MHz | VIC-II | Epyx Fastloader Jun 17 '26

Citizens United was the final nail in the coffin.

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u/EywasBlessing Jun 17 '26

Dune had this in 65

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u/Rude-Asparagus9726 Jun 17 '26

Corporations don't rule over governments YET...

They just have more influence than the average person.

If they truly ruled the governments, none of this would've even been considered, which is what they'd have preferred.

Government is still our best (and only) defense against corporate rule, but we need to start fighting to take that shit back because they're dangerously close to eliminating it completely.

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u/baby_envol Jun 17 '26

Lobbying is just the legal side of corruption. When you are a citizen, any kind of lobby is corruption (I have anti corruption meeting each year with my work), but when you are a politic 😏

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u/VirginiaMcCaskey Jun 17 '26

"Lobbying" is just a synonym for advocacy

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u/Big-Resort-4930 Jun 17 '26

Yeah and a multi billion dollar corporation can buy a hell of a lot more "advocacy" than any individual, or many, many individuals put together. It's practically corruption.

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u/Domspun Jun 17 '26

It does not prove any corruption, politiicians always meet both parties of any situation. Sometimes they side with business while being totally impartial. A lot of politicians are ex-businessman and will have a business first mentality without any bribe.

We don't need to be cynical about it we just need to keep on fighting and continue to propose solutions to politicians.

Also: VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!!

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u/MrStealYoBeef i7 12700KF|RTX 5070ti|32GB DDR4 3200|1440p175hzOLED Jun 17 '26

It is when it's behind closed doors. If the corporation is able to have a private conversation with lawmakers and the people don't even know what was said or if it was even honest (the amount of dishonesty from opponents over what Stop Killing Games wants to achieve is absolutely insane) then how can the people even hope to try to provide counterpoints or explain the dishonesty to bring truth to light.

They get to make their points without counter, we don't. If not corruption, why corruption shaped?

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u/Loggersalienplants Jun 17 '26

The SKG had closed door meetings too, as is standard.

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u/NegativeEBTDA Jun 17 '26

Every meeting is behind closed doors

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u/MrStealYoBeef i7 12700KF|RTX 5070ti|32GB DDR4 3200|1440p175hzOLED Jun 17 '26

It is a figure of speech. Our stuff is made public for us all to know about and discuss. We don't know the other side and it's not going to be made public.

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u/AlarmingTurnover Jun 17 '26

So when they met with SKG behind closed doors, was that corruption? If not corruption, why corruption shaped? 

Or is it only corruption because the team you wanted to win didn't?

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u/BigBlueBurd Ryzen 7 5800X, RTX 3060Ti, 32G Jun 17 '26

I am voting with my wallet, I have been for years. The problem is that I'm being outvoted to the tune of millions of euros a year by 'people' (and I'm using that term lightly here) who are genuinely too stupid and too loyal to THEIR BRAND to realize we don't have to live in a world like this.

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u/Ok-Fudge-380 Jun 17 '26

Imagine attempting to dehumanize someone because they enjoy live service games. You're fucking pathetic.

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u/BigBlueBurd Ryzen 7 5800X, RTX 3060Ti, 32G Jun 17 '26

I never mentioned live service games, nor is that what this is about. Sorry, swing and a miss.

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u/Ok-Fudge-380 Jun 17 '26

Then WTF are you voting with your wallet for? What brand are people so loyal to that has you so pissed off? What a pathetic attempt to swerve away your attempt to dehumanized people for their choice of entertainment.

Once more, you're fucking pathetic.

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u/Own_Diamond3865 Jun 18 '26

Ok, which games are you dehumanizing people over?

By the way, you vote for things, not against them. If you buy the games you like, then you'll get more of them. Apparently, that's not enough for you. You can't handle the existence of games that are not made for you, and that makes you angry.

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u/Domspun Jun 17 '26

Spread the word!

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u/BigBlueBurd Ryzen 7 5800X, RTX 3060Ti, 32G Jun 17 '26

I do, and then someone I know just buys the newest FIFA or Madden shovelware and just look at me as if I just said the sky is green when I ask why they buy the same shovelware game every year. They literally can't even explain why they do it past 'Well, I want the newest one.'

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u/exotic_lemming Jun 17 '26

They don't owe you any other explanation than that one.

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u/Diodon Jun 17 '26

Voting doesn't work because my vote didn't win! /s

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u/tear_atheri Jun 17 '26

"Don't be cynical"?

What world are you living in? I want to go to there.

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u/Domspun Jun 17 '26

If you wanna go there, you'll get there.

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u/suncontrolspecies Jun 17 '26

they are traitors

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u/JustStraightUpTired Jun 17 '26

Voting with your wallet is important and I have been doing that for decades. But here's the thing. It only works when the product isn't worth the price even on paper. 99% of their customers don't even understand what Stop Killing Games is, let alone heard about it. They buy the game, play it a few times and never think about it again even if it dies. The few who do, probably just swear a few times and forget about it. And the few that don't, might care.

And it does prove corruption, because they lied in the statement. They said thing that aren't true. They told consumers to do things that have been proven to not work. They told the consumers to go through their countries processes, which have been proven to not be sure how to deal with it. Their decision is straight up based on falsehoods and only benefits companies doing the scamming.

So either it's corruption or incompetence, but from the perspective of the people, there is no difference. We get fucked just the same.

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u/envymania Jun 17 '26

How did they meet the other party here?

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u/lolpanda91 Jun 17 '26

Considering he has no source you can literally make it up. Also pretty much every game company was against this movement. You don’t have to single out anyone of them.

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u/Raskuja46 Jun 17 '26

Do they even have the finances needed to bribe politicians? Aren't they severely in the hole?

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u/CX316 Jun 17 '26

Doesn't necessarily mean they paid off the MPs, more likely is they met with the CEO, went "is this viable" the CEO went "lol no, and we'd fight this in court" (whether true or not) and the MPs went "k"

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u/Rumbletastic Jun 17 '26

Why corruption? Should they not get the perspective of what it would cost to force a company to comply before making a decision? 

The EU has a pretty good track record of making consumer-friendly decisions. If they determined the cost of games would need to increase to support this risk to the point that it wasn't consumer-friendly, then I can't really blame them. This was always a complicated topic with no easy answers - especially if the law was to apply universally to indie devs as well as AAA...

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u/Culpirit Jun 17 '26

No actually, EU institutions are not particularly corrupt, in fact you should have more respect for the EU even if they don't pass your stupid law.

SKG was just a ridiculously formulated policy idea and every time I or someone else raised the point we were laughed at and called "corpo shills". Sick and tired of those reddit populist buffoons claiming gaming is the issue of our time and that fucking Ubisoft, Epic, "the joos" or whatever other scapegoat is the reason for all the issues in our governments and our lives. Grow the fuck up.

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u/Big-Inevitable-252 Jun 17 '26

Wait, are you saying that the EU isn’t perfect? Crazy. 

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u/a_posh_trophy i5 12600K | MSI Pro Z690-A DDR4 | ASUS Dual OC 4070 12gb Jun 17 '26

They're on the verge of collapse as publisher, so what strength do they have by themselves?

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u/Naitrael Jun 17 '26

Have you ever considered that it's not possible due to established legislature?

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u/ksx4system Linux Jun 17 '26

classic EU

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '26

my man just out of his coma

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u/SerGT3 Jun 17 '26

Just typical corporate blackmail nothing to see here

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u/algaefied_creek Jun 17 '26

And US-Americans say that the European Union is some pinko commie woke buzzword hellscape when really it’s just a right of centre/re corporatist cock filled twat pocket.

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u/VanilaaGorila Jun 17 '26

It’s called business lol

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u/nelflyn Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26

"hm, this is a game related issue, but I don't know games. Better I call someone who really knows about them in a broad sense." - some politician, probably

This is why we will never get rid of this kind of corruption. Lobbying is necessary to pass laws, and it's the perfect breeding ground for corruption.

Edit: TIL that in English "lobbying" directly refers to that kind of corruption, and not industry relevant input on laws to be passed.

When I say "lobbying is necessary to pass laws" I actually meant that you need industry specific knowledge to pass laws. Sorry for the confusion.

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u/Dhiox Jun 17 '26

Yeah, the tragedy is that the input of industry is necessary before passing regulation, as they can bring up unforeseen problems with it that genuinely are unfair or unreasonable. The problem is that businesses don't just stop there.

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u/nelflyn Jun 17 '26

I had this fever dream of something like a system where they pick random people of involved profession, of different demographics, ages and backgrounds on short notice to talk things over. But realistically, those people are just as susceptible to corruption and worst case, it puts them in danger.

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u/Hot-Manufacturer182 Jun 17 '26

tbh, there are also things that only the C Suite knows, since its a business or market related issue. Politicians also should aim to let the economic thrive as good as possible. So while your proposal seems to be reasonable, it isnt exactly thought to the end.

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u/ZealousidealComb7891 Jun 17 '26

Yeah, sure, and they should make those arguments in an open forum where we can all hear them.

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u/nelflyn Jun 17 '26

Yes, I wouldn't have excluded them from it either. But you know, make it one opinion of several. But I'm aware it isn't fully thought out. But I feel like our best chance is at least something towards that direction.

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u/BrainOnBlue Jun 17 '26

TIL that in English "lobbying" directly refers to that kind of corruption, and not industry relevant input on laws to be passed.

It doesn't, people just only hear about the corrupt kind. The definition I was taught in Political Science 101 absolutely included both the legal bribery kind and the legitimate informational kind.

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u/nelflyn Jun 17 '26

okay, I might need a more reliable source then, before I am completely confused 🫠 I just checked up some definitions and it pretty much aligns with the legal bribery.

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u/BrainOnBlue Jun 17 '26

I was taught it is basically anything anyone does to try to influence how politicians (or a specific politician) votes.

An environmental charity publishing an open letter for or against legislation is lobbying, a guy from a company or a trade group taking a politician to dinner is lobbying, and you calling your representative/MP/equivalent is lobbying.

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u/nelflyn Jun 18 '26

Thanks, that kinda checks out with how I learned about it 😶 but when it comes to other languages, I know it's not always the same, so I was insure about that.

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u/OldWorldDesign Jun 18 '26

I might need a more reliable source then

https://www.etymonline.com/word/lobby

It doesn't mean "only bribery". That technically predates Reagan but accelerated when he gutted the State Department (which, before him, was in charge of vetting and investigating corruption related to lobbying). It's also the kind of lobbying most headlines are written about because it's not the legal and ethical, thus boring kind. Headlines aren't (usually) written about boring, competent people doing what they are supposed to.

Few people heard about lobbying to reintroduce wolves to Yellowstone, but that's how ecologists did it. Just going to politicians and arguing their case over and over until landing a few who decided the cost was low and benefits were worth it. According to recent studies, biological diversity has been increasing thanks to deer and other local animals having their natural predators return.

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u/Its_Nitsua Desktop AMD Ryzen 7 9800x3D RTX 5070ti Jun 17 '26

Side tangent but this is happening in my grandparents town.

They’re trying to build a 8000 acre solar farm, which in itself isn’t necessarily a bad thing; the problem is that the entire town is against it but NextEra, the company building it, is paying for legal counsel for a town judge who’s in charge of it. The town has to take all liability if anything goes wrong, and they are giving NextEra like 300 million in tax abatements.

The justices of the peace voted overwhelmingly against it, but the judge vetoed them. The town moved to put it to a vote, and NextEra lawyers had the county clerk change the day of the vote the day before the vote took place so that it already happened.

The battery box for the solar farm is being built right next to my grandparents land and their property value is going to plummet.

The case is currently going to the supreme court in Arkansas.

Don’t get me wrong solar panels are cool, but its fucked up that an entire town is against something but a company is paying their lawyers to tell a county judge how to exploit laws made in the 1970’s to skirt all the safeguards in place to prevent things from being done against the populations will.

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u/Zero_Fs_given Jun 17 '26

Awfully nimby

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u/Its_Nitsua Desktop AMD Ryzen 7 9800x3D RTX 5070ti Jun 17 '26

Call it what you want, but if an entire town is opposed to something, especially when the terms of said thing are horrendous; is it not a bad thing that its being forced through anyways?

If the battery facility has a problem and catches fire, their tiny town with a population of less than 2,000 is now on the hook for the damages to a several hundred million dollar facility, as well as all of the liability if the run off poisons the water table.

It shouldn't matter whether or not solar farms are a good thing, what matters is that an entire town is against something but a billion dollar company is funding a legal team behind a county judge who is breaking the law to shoe horn the development through.

Their plan is literally to just drag it out in court long enough that the people of the town can no longer afford to pay their lawyers.

Their town isn't even getting any of the power... It's being loaded into batteries and taken 100+ miles away to a large city outside the state.

Even if you support solar farms it should still make you sick the way they are going about this.

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u/OldWorldDesign Jun 18 '26

and NextEra lawyers had the county clerk change the day of the vote the day before the vote took place so that it already happened

I don't think expanding solar is a bad thing, and no few ignorant people don't want them around even though it's not just an infrastructure positive but economic positive for the community. A lot of highway and high-speed-rail projects have been abandoned at a cost of billions because of irrational NIMBY people.

Even so, preventing a vote sounds like a violation of oath of office besides laws if there was supposed to be a vote on it in the first place.

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u/VirginiaMcCaskey Jun 17 '26

TIL that in English "lobbying" directly refers to that kind of corruption, and not industry relevant input on laws to be passed.

It doesn't, people are just dumb.

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u/NegativeEBTDA Jun 17 '26

"Lobbying" comes from the practice of visiting President U.S. Grant in the lobby of the Willard Hotel in Washington DC, where he accepted gifts in exchange for policy changes on behalf of the country's growing corporate interests.

U.S. Grant wasn't a deeply corrupt man, he was actually fundamentally decent, but he was inexperienced in politics and naive. He assumed these polished and well-educated voices were acting in the best interests of the broader public, and they took him for a ride.

Inexperienced politicians are especially vulnerable to lobbyists as they are inexperienced in managing the regulations important to governing these special interest groups. That's compounded by the fact that they're the most vulnerable to being primaried by a well-funded replacement with industry backing.

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u/OldWorldDesign Jun 18 '26

Lobbying" comes from the practice of visiting President U.S. Grant in the lobby of the Willard Hotel in Washington DC, where he accepted gifts in exchange for policy changes on behalf of the country's growing corporate interests

It does not, stop spreading disinformation. Lobbying derives from parliamentary practice of breaking into lobbies (committees) to consider policy changes. Due to it not always taking place in official chambers, it took place in hotel or other gathering place lobbies, it took on that term for a thing done in that place. The word itself predates Grant's administration and the practice itself is older than the English language.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/lobby

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u/nelflyn Jun 17 '26

I was giving the politician the absolute benefit of the doubt. My mentioned example is literally the best case scenario, where a politician simply does his job..... Reality is obviously a lot worse.

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u/NegativeEBTDA Jun 17 '26

Even good and honest politicians are vulnerable to this though. The lobbyists don't need to be sought out, they come to you, and they will make it clear you will either play ball and get your campaign paid for or they'll go to war with you and you might lose your job.

See: AIPAC, oil/gas, every district with a military base that manages obsolete equipment their branch has been trying to get rid of for 40 years

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u/FarplaneDragon Desktop Jun 17 '26

I mean, there has to be some sort of middle ground in there somewhere. I get the point that consulting with someone that's going to be heavily biased and have a personal stake in the matter is a problem, but if they truly don't understand what they're ruling on that isn't a good place to be either.

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u/PapieszxD Jun 17 '26

Lobbying is necessary? How? I really fail to see how making corruption legal is good. You can consult experts, the public, anything.

I dont see how slipping a congressman a 50 and a blowie by the corporate ceo behind closed doors is a good or necessary way to conduct policy making.

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u/CruffleRusshish Jun 17 '26

You do know the verb 'lobbying' just means an individual or group trying to persuade a politician to support a policy right?

For example if I send my local member of parliament an email imploring them to support stop killing games, I am lobbying them, that's just what the word means.

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u/truthVial Jun 17 '26

Lobbying shouldn't involve people who aren't in the middle class. You own over x amount of assets or come from x company? No lobbying, conflict of interest.

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u/Nogarda Specs/Imgur Here Jun 17 '26

Very. They had a closed doors meeting SKG were not allowed into a week or more ago I want to say. Before this, they were open-minded enough about it. after it. they shut the proverbial door. This tactic failed in California though from my understanding.

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u/Visara57 5070ti | 7600X | 32GB DDR5 CL28 Jun 17 '26

Yes, Yves Gilmont met with the EU Comission 2/3 weeks after SKG presented

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u/TheUruz PC Master Race Jun 17 '26

yes... go read the reasons and you'll experience rage and sadness at the same time

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u/GloomyAzure Jun 17 '26

Yup they had a private but not secret 6h meetings.

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u/ThorDoubleYoo Jun 17 '26

Yeah, not only that but they've had over 100 private meetings with lobbyists who are opposed to SKG and SKG (or any consumer representative for that matter) weren't allowed to join in those meetings.

So the number of meetings with SKG was about 10, while the meetings with lobbyists was over 100. The corruption isn't even trying to hide.

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u/StaticSystemShock Jun 17 '26

And this is why I don't buy or play Ubisoft shit. And I spend every moment shitting on them. What a stupid ass garbage company.

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u/IllustratorAlive1174 Jun 17 '26

It’s not only morally correct to pirate their shit, but a citizens duty

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u/StaticSystemShock Jun 17 '26

No, I'm so fucking petty I won't even give them satisfaction of calling me out with "hurr durr you pirate our games". No, they are a fucking dead company for me. They straight up don't exist. And I make sure to shit on them relentlessly because that's what they deserve. They are the ones who started the "always connected" bullshit with their stupid Ubisoft Connect I believe it was called before UPlay. People having disconnects from single player games because their servers were shit was the moment when I said enough is enough. It has been some 20 years after that and I'm sticking with my principles. Fuck Ubisoft.

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u/some_cool_guy Jun 17 '26

Their games suck anyway, not hard to avoid.

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u/Tandy2000 Jun 17 '26

The Lost Crown was one of the best Metroidvanias in many years imo.

I don't have a lot of interest in many of their games but it makes me bummed because Ubi, despite the harassment stuff in the news, is actually a very good employer. One of the best in the video game industry. I know people who have worked at Ubi Montreal and say it is bar none the best job they've ever had in the industry.

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u/IllustratorAlive1174 Jun 17 '26

I didn’t say I’d play it. lol

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u/Gregardless 12600k | Z790 Lightning | B580 | 6400 cl32 Jun 17 '26

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u/04nc1n9 Jun 17 '26

wow that sub is horrible. just people whining about "woke" and saying that women shouldn't be in gaming

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u/Gregardless 12600k | Z790 Lightning | B580 | 6400 cl32 Jun 17 '26

Yeah I hate that these people agree with me for the wrong reasons. There are legitimate reasons to hate Ubisoft and the majority of the posts are complaining about "woke" shit.

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u/TomaszA3 Jun 19 '26

I don't really agree with them but I understand the sentiment.

Some companies just virtue signal a bit too blatantly to not notice. It's kind of like when people started to realise the rainbow-ish logos were never genuine.

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u/shawn0fthedead PC Master Race Jun 17 '26

Honestly doesn't seem worth it 

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u/silentshaper Jun 17 '26

Oh I am buying blackflag resync, then immediately refunding it, if enough people do the same in a short period of time then the banks will stop all transactions out of suspicion

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u/TomaszA3 Jun 19 '26

That's a great idea.

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u/nfiase Jun 17 '26

source?

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u/FreakDC 9800X3D / 3080Ti / 64GB Jun 17 '26

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u/Nikilite_official i9-13900K | 32 GB DDR5 7200Mhz RAM | RTX 4080 Jun 17 '26

yo what the fuck

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Jun 17 '26

It's the problem with EU. It's not a democratic entity in that the only people able to propose laws, are not democratically accountable or elected, and serve only with the blessing of the people already in charge.

They serve a few years, then go onto the boards of banks and corporations. And the only reason to stop them from going on these board, is to convince them to ban themselves from doing so.

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u/FreakDC 9800X3D / 3080Ti / 64GB Jun 17 '26

This has nothing to do with the EU in particular; that's just a general issue with money in politics.

Just as an example, in the US, big tech CEOs meet directly with the President behind closed doors, and days later, an executive order turns something into law (at least temporarily). Members of the House or Congress casually outperform the best investment firms trading stocks with thinly veiled insider trading and favoritism.

India has massive issues with it, they even have a term for the problem "Billionaire Raj".

We don't even have to talk about Russia, they are ruled by the oligarchs.

Even China has massive corruption issues (although they do at least try to combat it) see e.g. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/09/china-executes-banker-for-taking-116-million-bribes/

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Jun 17 '26

This has nothing to do with the EU in particular; that's just a general issue with money in politics.

No, it's specifically an EU problem. Only the European commission can propose laws to be voted on. They are not democratically elected or accountable.

The US equivalent would be if US governors got to pick one lawmaker each, and only they got to propose laws if most of the other governors picks agreed with them.

In the US 26 states are republican, 24 are democrat. That means Democrats can't even suggest a vote for congress without getting 2 red states to back them up. Congress can't even vote on a law without multiple republicans deciding Democrats should have a say. 50% of the country be damned.

On top of that, Democrat states need 51% of those votes for new Democrat lawmakers to be accepted in the lawmaking group. It is inherently corrupt, beyond the possibility for democratic law change, because 26 republicans decide what laws can be proposed.

You see the problem right? This is a uniquely European Union way of governing.

Just as an example, in the US, big tech CEOs meet directly with the President behind closed doors, and days later, an executive order turns something into law (at least temporarily). Members of the House or Congress casually outperform the best investment firms trading stocks with thinly veiled insider trading and favoritism.

That's soft corruption. It's something that can be reformed. It's not baked into the system of government. Democrats have the power to propose reform. They aren't banned from putting up a law for a vote because they don't have 51% of congress.

India has massive issues with it, they even have a term for the problem "Billionaire Raj".

Sure. EU institutional corruption is different though. In india you can still get the votes and propose laws fixing that problem.

We don't even have to talk about Russia, they are ruled by the oligarchs.

Even the Russians don't ban elected officials from proposing laws. There isn't a room of 27 oligarcs that take a vote to decide if the duma is allowed to vote on new laws.

14 Europeans decide what can and can not be voted on. You see the problem yes? Even Russia isn't that systemically fucked. The EU is.

Those 14 unelected men and women on the commission have the power to bar any legislative change from being discussed in the EU parlament. As opposed to every modern democracy, there is no way for elected officials to propose a law. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic like that.

Even China has massive corruption issues (although they do at least try to combat it) see e.g. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/09/china-executes-banker-for-taking-116-million-bribes/

Lol, yes, Chinia is not a democracy either.

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u/LightLaitBrawl Jun 17 '26

Why am i supposed to hate Xi jinping when he is the goat?

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u/Viyarara Jun 17 '26

I thought he was a bear

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Jun 18 '26

Minus 1000 social credits!

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u/Xtermer Jun 17 '26

Eh that's not really true. The commission is made up of people who were chosen by democratically elected politicians. The commissioners are nominated by the council (the heads of states of each country, who are democratically elected in their countries), and are elected by the parliament (who are democratically elected by the people). It's a representative democracy, which is democratic. You can argue that it can be done more democratically/better (I'd agree with that), but to say that it's not democratic is just wrong.

If you dislike the commissioners, you can look at who your representatives in the council and parliament voted for, and choose your future votes with that in mind, just like all other democracies function. The parliament can also issue a vote of no confidence, which if it passes, would force the entire commission to resign.

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Jun 17 '26

Eh that's not really true. The commission is made up of people who were chosen by democratically elected politicians. The commissioners are nominated by the council (the heads of states of each country, who are democratically elected in their countries), and are elected by the parliament (who are democratically elected by the people). It's a representative democracy, which is democratic. You can argue that it can be done more democratically/better (I'd agree with that), but to say that it's not democratic is just wrong.

Got it, so even less democratically elected than Robert F. Kennedy, who at least the senate voted on. That should terrify you.

And that is without even giving him and his new club of 25 other Republicans sole powers to say what Congress can and cannot vote on..

It could be worse, way wirse in fact, because the European Commission can just refuse the people the elected politician sends, and keep telling them to pick someone else until the 14 are satisfied.

Look, you don't have to defend this system. I know the knee jerk reaction to a lot of people us to carry water for the EU. But it is genuinely a terribly undemocratic process.

If you dislike the commissioners, you can look at who your representatives in the council and parliament voted for, and choose your future votes with that in mind, just like all other democracies function. The parliament can also issue a vote of no confidence, which if it passes, would force the entire commission to resign.

I see the whole "26 Republicans would have all the power" thing was list on you.

Look.

Let's say I was happy with the pick, in fact my pick was the divinely resurrected Mr. Rogers remade as a citizen of the EU, come to make all well in the world while promising he is going to suggest reforms for the parlament to vote on. In fact, 100% of elected politicians and every single voting age citizen in the entire union loves mr. Rogers!

but 14 grumpy members on the commission from, say, eastern Europe, all expecting well paying jobs at the local banks, banded together and voted to tell my country "Fuck you, pick someone else!" And so I had to go pick someone else, again and again until those 14 grumpy members from eastern Europe was satisfied with my pick.

Still don't see the issue? Do you feel like you have democratic oversight here?

Even if the commission were to let mr. Rogers be a member of their little cartel, he can't even suggest a reform to vote on without 13 of the other commissioners signing off on the proposal.

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u/Xtermer Jun 18 '26

I'm not saying the commission is perfect. I agree with you that the commission should be directly elected by the people, what I disagree with is to label the current system as undemocratic.

The "26 republicans" wasn't lost to me, because you didn't mention it in your comment? Either way, those 14 eastern Europeans (dunno why you specify them to be eastern) in the commission don't decide who else will be elected to the commission, so I don't really see how they would force them to pick someone else. I'd also find it strange if 100% of the politicians liked this Rodgers guy, but for some reason they decided to elect overtly corrupt people with completely different political positions to the other spots. Presumably, the politicians who elected those corrupt commissioners wouldn't like Rodgers, or vice versa, no?

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Jun 18 '26

Both the President of the European Commission and the European Parliament have the power to straight up reject or force the replacement of national commissioner nominees.

If the majority of the European Commission don't like your nominee, they aren't getting a seat at the table.

I mentioned eastern Europe because historically they have tended to act as a block, which is a problem. It means that regardless of how MEPs want to vote, statistically proposals that benefit eastern Europe have a greater chance of being presented to parlament.

For the same reason, you only need 14 corrupt commissioners to block a Mr Rogers from getting on the commission in the first place. There is no democratic control over the process.

The whole thing is as democratic as Late Middle Ages England where the house of Commons were only allowed to vote on matters the king and the house of Lords tell them they are allowed to vote on. It's basically the exact same system. Yes, commoners can be made lord, but they is entirely up to the house of Lords and the monarch.

That's a deficit of democracy. It's government only with the consent of a council of 27 unelected bureaucrats who oversee themselves.

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u/Xtermer Jun 18 '26

Both the President of the European Commission and the European Parliament have the power to straight up reject or force the replacement of national commissioner nominees.

And the President of the European Commission is nominated by the European Council (democratically elected), and is then either approved or vetod by the Parliament (democratically elected). The Parliament is also, as I said, democratically elected. So both the positions that have, as you say, the power to straight up reject or force the replacement of national commissioner nominees, are democratically elected.

If the majority of the European Commission don't like your nominee, they aren't getting a seat at the table.

The opinion of the commissioners don't matter, because, as you said, the only opinions who matter are the President, Parliament, and the Council.

I mentioned eastern Europe because historically they have tended to act as a block, which is a problem. It means that regardless of how MEPs want to vote, statistically proposals that benefit eastern Europe have a greater chance of being presented to parlament.

While problematic, it is still democratic. The eastern European MEPs are democratically elected, and if they decide to act in their nations interests instead of European interests, that is still democracy.

For the same reason, you only need 14 corrupt commissioners to block a Mr Rogers from getting on the commission in the first place. There is no democratic control over the process.

The commissioners can be as corrupt or non-corrupt as they want, their opinion doesn't matter. You'd need corrupt heads of state, a corrupt President (that was eleceted by the heads of states and Parliament), or/and a corrupt Parliament. And because the heads of states and the Parliament are all elected, there is a democratic control over the process. If your representatives keep nominating and voting for corrupt people, you should vote for someone else.

The whole thing is as democratic as Late Middle Ages England where the house of Commons were only allowed to vote on matters the king and the house of Lords tell them they are allowed to vote on. It's basically the exact same system. Yes, commoners can be made lord, but they is entirely up to the house of Lords and the monarch.

For the analogy to fit, the House of Lords would be elected by the people as well, and the King would be nominated by the democratically elected House of Lords and then approved by the democratically elected House of Commons. The House of Commons would also be able to do a vote of no confidence to oust the King and his cabinet. I'm not that familiar with medieval England, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case, which would make the current system a lot more democratic.

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u/d-the-luc Jun 17 '26

can I have your PFP?

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u/Nikilite_official i9-13900K | 32 GB DDR5 7200Mhz RAM | RTX 4080 Jun 17 '26

I kinda made it myself

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u/d-the-luc Jun 17 '26

I really like it, can I have it?

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u/Nikilite_official i9-13900K | 32 GB DDR5 7200Mhz RAM | RTX 4080 Jun 17 '26

if you mention me where you use it, yea sure

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u/Nikilite_official i9-13900K | 32 GB DDR5 7200Mhz RAM | RTX 4080 Jun 17 '26

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u/intLeon Jun 17 '26

he said brb with an extra i and e

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u/Dark_Dragon117 Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26

Ngl I don't see how the Ubisoft CEOs is the ones who made a difference here.

Ubisoft is fucking dying and everyone involved with it should be losing money, because Ubisoft has been bleeding money for pretty much a decade.

So what exactly would the Ubisoft CEO have payed them with, Monopoly Money?

Honestly I think it's really just as simple as copyright law being to much of a hassle to deal with. Nobody is willing to invest tine and money to make it work fir a bunch of videogames or so they probably think.

That said this still isn't over. From what I have heard SKG anticipated this outcome and was already preparing to do something else that would have had a higher chance to begin with.

Edit: Just watched Ross' most recent video on this that I wasn't aware off.

Apparently the industry had hundreds of private hearing with the commision in which undisclosed things were discussed. Meanwhile SKG had like a few dozens at best.

So yeah almost certainly corruption, however I still doubt it was Ubisoft of all things that had any influence here. Like I explained before Ubisoft is just barely surviving their continued downfall and I doubt there is much left zo bribe politicians with.

Other giants of the industry however have the means to do that, which is ironic because simply not lobbying against SKG would have been much cheaper.

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u/ThatKidDrew Jun 17 '26

thanks for the summary, what a heartbreaking outcome for now.

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u/A_Monkey_FFBE Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26

Good thing ubisoft is failing.

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u/Express_Custard4204 Jun 17 '26

yeah and they are gonna fail more never buying a ubisoft game again hope AC blackflag remake fails as well the rayman 3d slop remake

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u/TheVeryVerity Jun 17 '26

No way the black flag remake fails

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u/Express_Custard4204 Jun 17 '26

Bugisoft will find a way that's what people thought of AC Syndicate haha

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u/Able-Swing-6415 Jun 17 '26

At this point they're just flipping us off while falling down a cliff.

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u/Motorsagmannen Ryzen 7 1700, GTX 1060 6GB, 16GB ram Jun 17 '26

looks like my boycott of Ubisoft games will be going on for quite some time longer...

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u/PropertyDangerous257 Jun 17 '26

Like I needed another reason not to give Ubisoft my money...

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u/QuickAttention7112 I3 12100F + Arc B580, 16GB DDR4 2666MT/s Jun 17 '26

Damn, even after all of that? Woth how Ubisoft is bleeding money from their mistake and he still choose to used it to pay for stuff like this?

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u/GhostElite974 Ryzen 7 5800X | RTX 3070 Jun 17 '26

just a coincidence smile

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u/ChefCurryYumYum Jun 17 '26

The guy who runs Accursed Farms channels talked about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgoODQFrPgw&t=76s

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u/WelderEquivalent2381 12600k/7900xt Jun 17 '26

IF you read the article correctly. The idea of the stop killing game as been kill cause of current IP/Copyright law that make this project impossible.

That have nothing to do with Ubisoft.

The commission cannot work on the IP/Copyright law to make the project working since it's an international treaty

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u/WildRaccoon42 Jun 17 '26

Pfizergate

Chat control

GDPR's sabotage

Stop killing games sabotage

The EU commission is corrupt as hell, nothing but a stain on EU.  Something tells me the quatargate was only a distraction to have everyone point at the parliament while UVDL and her friends can continue their little game. We need them fully investigated and impeached/arrested if necessary. 

Get those leeches out. Forever.

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u/Sargent305 Jun 17 '26

Like one said, money always wins…

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u/FlamboyantPirhanna Jun 17 '26

That could very easily just be a coincidence. I doubt a single CEO is enough to influence their decision. This was always going to go this way, anyway. As long as there is at least one MEP still fighting for it, it won’t just disappear.

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u/nittun PC Master Race Jun 17 '26

EU is great in a lot of places but the moment they meet resistance from copyright holders the tune is different, same thing happened with ACTA. It was funny how they marketed it towards musician mostly, that they were doing it for the poor artist that was getting murdered by pirating? obviously not the issue for music anymore, more an issue that spotify wont pay them. Sony and WB Was spearheading it since they were trying hard to make sure games and video media was protected a lot better. It shed light to just how dumb some politicians are, i was kinda thankful for that, but noone was following up on it, was the easiest slam dunks ever, and not a single journalist picked it up.

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u/Surgeplux Jun 17 '26

a greasy hand makes the cogs turn

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u/Misha_x86 Jun 18 '26

Wait, did it actually happen? Where did you learn it?

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u/Undernown Jun 18 '26

Aight, can we force thos einvolved to be investigated for corruption somehow? Even it fails to materialize, at least the public imagw damage will force those ghouls out at least.

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u/dusty-trash Jun 17 '26

Well ofc they meet with both parties. Dosnt mean theirs any corruption. Honestly with how the EU is forcing Apple and other companies to follow standards, I doubt theirs any corruption.

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u/CyberShi2077 Jun 17 '26

And people wonder what the problem with the EU is....gee let me think....

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u/V-oxPopuli Jun 17 '26

Fucking wow. Greed on display for all to see.

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u/CaptainBlob Jun 17 '26

No surprise Ubisoft being a French company, used their EU connections to sway the votes. Other major companies are America based... doubt they have much say for EU laws.

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u/TheUruz PC Master Race Jun 17 '26

THIS. this should make us all go get Ursula with pitchforks and torches... it is clearly due to corruption. go read their reasons and you'll see by yourself. i couldn't belive it. the EU is really a joke when it comes down to people initiative 💀

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u/MyzMyz1995 7800x3d | AMD rx 9070 XT Jun 17 '26

Ubisoft is one of the better developers regarding keeping games that flopped online why are they catching a stray here lol

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u/Jaalan PC Master Race Jun 17 '26

Because their CEO is the one that said gamers need to get used to not owning their games. Many of their single player games require online access to play.

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