r/linux • • 17h ago

Popular Application Fortnite is coming to Linux

Post image
2.8k Upvotes

1.2k comments sorted by

View all comments

90

u/que11 16h ago

Damn, avoiding kernel level BS anti-cheat is one of the perks of using Linux.

29

u/Shished 14h ago

They are basically replacing the kernel driver with the same thing. eBPF programs are running in a kernel space and can read all user space memory.

17

u/Fulrem 12h ago

There is a world of difference between the code of a kernel module and a sandboxed eBPF program. If you had ever had to fight with the eBPF verifier when writing a program you would understand this.

0

u/Orangutanion 11h ago

Ok so I don't know a lot about this topic, but I currently don't use EAC games or other anti-cheat games because I cannot confirm that they aren't harvesting data off my PC. If this EAC implementation is put into Linux as planned, is there a way to keep the program sandboxed so it can't harvest data from the rest of the machine? If that is possible then that would legitimately make Linux a better option for EAC games in the future than Windows, because then you'd be able to confirm that the program isn't harvesting your data.

1

u/Indolent_Bard 8h ago

I don't know about sandboxing, and I don't know about you personally, but it's definitely gonna be auditable so we can verify if it's stealing data or not. Will it be audible by anyone or just people who understand code? I have no idea.

14

u/Eldritch800XC 11h ago

No game is worth installing an ebpf watchdog on my private system. Not that I wanted to play Fortnite anyway, so nothing lost here...

3

u/Indolent_Bard 8h ago

You can audit ebpf.

1

u/Eldritch800XC 4h ago

That's not the point. I don't want to to need to audit ebpf when want to play a game.

28

u/GameKing505 12h ago

The main perk of Linux is choice. And you can just choose not to play this game.

3

u/Honey_Catfish950 3h ago

Until these shenanigans become normalized. It starts with managed business software which has a reasonable sounding reason to be locked down, next games, and ends with remote attestation in the browser like google is pushing. When Cloudflare decides to require it for "Your Protection," the only choice left will be whether to use a corporate approved version of Linux or be walled out from most of the web.

4

u/Sufficient_Day627 9h ago

Even when I was on winslop I made the choice not to play that garbage.

-2

u/UltraCynar 7h ago

Nice try Tim. 

11

u/PacmanAteMyRAM 12h ago

No, it never has been. You can avoid them on Windows too. Letting people make the decision to play them here is a good thing.

7

u/Mordy_the_Mighty 15h ago

The FAQ mentions it isn't adding kernel running code, only using features already present in your kernel.

So actually it'll still be a Linux perk in a way!

2

u/No-Channel3917 13h ago

Being unable to play a lot of competitive games on Linux due to the lack of it also sucks

-2

u/Junior_Common_9644 12h ago

No... no it doesn't. Linux was just fine without these damn games.

7

u/spyingwind 12h ago

Not playing them has improved my mental health.

2

u/No-Channel3917 7h ago

And your Linux won't change

Stop acting like others can't make choices lol god you don't even know the variety of Linux distros

0

u/Junior_Common_9644 2h ago

Right... I started on Slackware 1.0 with kernel 0.99pl13. I've not used all distros, but I've used Slackware, Yggdrasil, PCLinuxOS, Mandrake, Redhat (before RHEL), and RHEL, Ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, Mint cinnamon, Mint Mate, Debian, KDE Neon, Arch (using it now, btw), Knoppix, Suse (for PC and s/390 zSeries mainframes), OpenSuse, Gentoo, LFS, and probably a few I've forgotten. It was my UNIX for home, for me (yes, I know it's not UNIX). But it went with my work supporting SunOS/Solaris, HP-UX, HP Apollo, PDP-11, Dec Alpha, Irix, and AIX.

My point is... if it isn't native Linux software, it ain't shit, and Windows games should have no place on Linux because it brings people who don't give a damn about POSIX compliance, Linux native builds... they don't care about the beauty and purity of the OS. They spit on it. Better off without them.

4

u/PlayboyWaldi 12h ago

What kind of statement is that lmao? Who are you to decide what is fine? They are using components already offered by Linux.

-3

u/Junior_Common_9644 12h ago

Who am I? One who should have raised you so you wouldn't have wrong think. :)

2

u/FabianN 10h ago

And you're able to stand up with such a massive ego?

-4

u/Junior_Common_9644 10h ago

It's not ego. Anyone can see the gamers infesting Linux recently don't give a damn about Linux. It's all only about the games for them. They aren't a healthy injection to the Linux user base, they're a cancer who would throw Linux under the bus in a heart beat for any platform that gives them their games.

1

u/FabianN 10h ago

🤣 Give me more of your antisocial screed.

1

u/Indolent_Bard 8h ago

Hey, they love that it isn't spying on you. But nobody cares about the underlying OS if the software they want to use can't work. And that's okay. You can like that, the OS isn't spying on you, but still want to be able to play gaming's biggest cultural footprint of the 2020s.

1

u/Holiday-Bug6132 11h ago

it's never allow that shit to touch my hardware 🤮

1

u/dumbasPL 10h ago

Well, it's not kernel level, or at least not in the traditional sense. eBPF is the best of both worlds.

-1

u/AdventurousFly4909 12h ago

You know playing games with is optional. lmao

0

u/Indolent_Bard 8h ago

No it isn't. You were free to not play those games on Windows. Limiting what you can do on your computer is not one of the perks of Linux.

"Oh but lockdown bad" no, it's necessary FOR THAT SOFTWARE you weren't using already.