r/gaming • u/doublah • 12h ago

Epic Games' new store is fully vibe-coded, and they're so proud of it they're taking shots at Steam

https://www.destructoid.com/epic-games-store-ai-vibe-coded/
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u/Aggravating-Dot132 12h ago

That's the tech bros point. AI is better at coding 

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u/Zakal74 12h ago

Did the AI code all of the many, many features Steam has that Epic does not?

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u/ATN-Antronach Joystick 11h ago

They probably think Steam did, cause they think everyone does.

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u/Aggressive-Map-2204 12h ago

Yes it could in fact code in all of those features. A human still needs to tell it to do that though.

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u/Agratos 12h ago

Any yet… it didn’t. No one told it to I guess. Wonder why? Maybe because AI code is not as perfect as they want to make us believe?

It can code it and it can code it well are two very different things. And when it comes to user uploaded data that code better be absolutely secure. Maybe they don’t want people to upload viruses? Or maybe they don’t want to show how empty their platform truly is?

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u/myheadisalightstick 12h ago

No one serious is saying AI code is perfect, but reading opinions on here about AI is embarrassing, because it’s so clear a lot of people have no idea on how AI works or is used in coding.

Every single serious tech organisation is using AI extensively in their work. The last two years have been transformative, and I’ve seen people who were completely against AI realise just how revolutionary it is for software engineering. You might not like that, but you don’t get to decide reality.

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u/Lewa358 11h ago

Even so, surely you have to agree that mentioning your product being vibe coded as a selling point is ridiculous, right?

Like, vibe coding is good because it's faster to make. But the code itself isn't "better" than human made code. Right?

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u/myheadisalightstick 12m ago edited 2m ago

No one is letting AI write and push vibe code to production, that doesn’t make any sense. The role of a software engineer is changing dramatically, there are extensive guardrails in place to get it to do what you want it to do.

It’s also not ‘vibe coding’, and whoever at Epic thought it was a good idea to mention it as such is an idiot and should have known how people would misinterpret that.

But the code itself isn't "better" than human made code. Right?

It can be and often is, it’s just code.

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u/Agratos 11h ago

I understand and accept the use of AI. I just don’t trust Epic of all companies to have checked its work. And AI on its own produces code that usually lags like hell and has more of a security suggestion. Clearly the lag isn’t present here. That combined with the fact that Steam is pretty well optimized asks the question where the performance comes from? Is it simply that epic has a quarter of the features? Or have there been trade offs in safety, verification and encryption? Because you can’t tell me Steam was badly optimized or that the programmers at valve overlooked the obvious.

I don’t trust an improvement this significant after years of barely any improvement. Something was sacrificed for this. And I don’t want to be part of the group that has to figure out what it was the hard way. Because no matter how good or bad AI is, the processing power of my computer didn’t change. So the number of operations or their complexity dropped. That asks what exactly was left out. And I can’t find any information about that. And I am not sure Epic knows either. Otherwise they would be assuring us that they dropped the spyware or no longer reinstall and verify the integrity of all games and the launcher on every start or something. But they didn’t. If I knew how I had achieved that much of an improvement I would most certainly talk about it. Yet no one does, at least as far as I know. So, does that mean no one actually knows? Or worse: that no one capable of recognizing critical flaws was involved at all? I don’t know, and I don’t want to be the guinea pig used to find out.

AI is a tool. But the idea that it codes all on its own and creates good products is a flawed one. As quick prototyping? Sure. Fast iteration of ideas with absolutely no intention of selling it or spreading it as a safe system to customers. Or as a kind of assistant. No problem. But having people pay for a product of straight up unknown quality and safety is immoral and wrong, no matter how it was created.

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u/Hitokiri_Xero 6h ago

I’ve seen people who were completely against AI realise just how revolutionary it is for software engineering.

It's not. Cause you need actual humans to go through and test all that code and make sure it not only runs properly but leaves no opening to be exploited for malicious intent.

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u/Aggressive-Map-2204 9h ago

It can code better than the vast majority of people. It does not code what its not told to code though. AI that coded things it was not told to and out of scope of what it was supposed to do would be horrendous.

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u/24_August_1814 9h ago

It can code better than the vast majority of people.

I mean, that's not exactly a flex when the vast majority of people have literally zero coding ability.

I dabbled in BASIC as a child, therefore I can code better than three overwhelming majority of people...

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u/Aggressive-Map-2204 9h ago

You could be a black hole with that answer.

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u/Jiveturtle 12h ago

But if it’s that easy why did they not simply say “include all the features Steam has that our current store does not have?”

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u/Zakal74 11h ago

I didn't ask if it could. I asked if it did.

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u/MoonAttempt 12h ago

If AI is better than your years old platform, maybe just go out of business at that point.

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u/HeckingDoofus 11h ago

id rather they didnt, so they can continue losing money by giving me hundreds of free games while i adamantly refuse to spend a single cent while i keep lining gabens pockets lmao

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u/ProFeces 8h ago edited 5h ago

Openly stating that you want them to stay in business so you can keep stealing their games is not the flex that you think it is.

Edit: See what happens when you randomly decide to be an asshole for no real reason than to be an asshole? You end up like me and make a complete ass out of yourself having completely misread the post I replied to. Don't be me, don't be the asshole.

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u/HeckingDoofus 8h ago

LMFAO im not stealing shit dude

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u/ProFeces 5h ago

Not gonna lie, I just got off work and got stupid stoned. I completely misread what you said. My bad.

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u/a_fking_feeder 5h ago

if i put 10 pies on a table with a sign that says "free pies" and you take one did you steal the pie

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u/jsigj 12h ago

I agree. AI is better at coding than the Epic Store team. This is not an endorsement of AI

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u/Atomix117 12h ago

Better compared to someone who doesn't know how to code

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u/Just_another_gamer3 Switch 12h ago

The way doctors are better at writing

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u/EmmEnnEff 11h ago edited 9h ago

In 2026, ~every software shop is using AI to do much of their coding, including Valve.

(Lots of people who don't work in software downvoting facts they don't like to hear.)

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u/CompetitiveSport1 6h ago

Valve isn't bragging about it like it's a point of pride

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u/lamBerticus 12h ago

It is

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u/Atlas-The-Ringer 12h ago

Except...it isn't?

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u/lamBerticus 12h ago

Haha

Do you think any SWE is manually coding or testing anything by hand with current models available?

Nope, they all harness engineer and let AI code the stuff and Humans review parts of it.

AI codes everything you use; Games, Steam, Epic Store and unreal engine, Windows, Reddit, everything.

Within a year or two you will find nobody that actually writes code anywhere.

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u/Lewa358 11h ago

And why is it a good thing that the world will be run by machines that no one knows how to make?

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u/lamBerticus 11h ago edited 11h ago

I'm just stating how things are. And yes, AI is better, cheaper and faster at a lot of tasks including coding.

OpenAI literally just dumped a decade or two of solutions to various math theorems, most of them probably valid.

AI even with current models is better at most tasks if well implemented. By the end of the decade even more so and even more heavily integrated.

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u/siphillis 12h ago

In the hands of an organized coder, yes