r/ControlProblem • • Feb 14 '25

Article Geoffrey Hinton won a Nobel Prize in 2024 for his foundational work in AI. He regrets his life's work: he thinks AI might lead to the deaths of everyone. Here's why

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tl;dr: scientists, whistleblowers, and even commercial ai companies (that give in to what the scientists want them to acknowledge) are raising the alarm: we're on a path to superhuman AI systems, but we have no idea how to control them. We can make AI systems more capable at achieving goals, but we have no idea how to make their goals contain anything of value to us.

Leading scientists have signed this statement:

Mitigating the risk of extinction from AI should be a global priority alongside other societal-scale risks such as pandemics and nuclear war.

Why? Bear with us:

There's a difference between a cash register and a coworker. The register just follows exact rules - scan items, add tax, calculate change. Simple math, doing exactly what it was programmed to do. But working with people is totally different. Someone needs both the skills to do the job AND to actually care about doing it right - whether that's because they care about their teammates, need the job, or just take pride in their work.

We're creating AI systems that aren't like simple calculators where humans write all the rules.

Instead, they're made up of trillions of numbers that create patterns we don't design, understand, or control. And here's what's concerning: We're getting really good at making these AI systems better at achieving goals - like teaching someone to be super effective at getting things done - but we have no idea how to influence what they'll actually care about achieving.

When someone really sets their mind to something, they can achieve amazing things through determination and skill. AI systems aren't yet as capable as humans, but we know how to make them better and better at achieving goals - whatever goals they end up having, they'll pursue them with incredible effectiveness. The problem is, we don't know how to have any say over what those goals will be.

Imagine having a super-intelligent manager who's amazing at everything they do, but - unlike regular managers where you can align their goals with the company's mission - we have no way to influence what they end up caring about. They might be incredibly effective at achieving their goals, but those goals might have nothing to do with helping clients or running the business well.

Think about how humans usually get what they want even when it conflicts with what some animals might want - simply because we're smarter and better at achieving goals. Now imagine something even smarter than us, driven by whatever goals it happens to develop - just like we often don't consider what pigeons around the shopping center want when we decide to install anti-bird spikes or what squirrels or rabbits want when we build over their homes.

That's why we, just like many scientists, think we should not make super-smart AI until we figure out how to influence what these systems will care about - something we can usually understand with people (like knowing they work for a paycheck or because they care about doing a good job), but currently have no idea how to do with smarter-than-human AI. Unlike in the movies, in real life, the AI’s first strike would be a winning one, and it won’t take actions that could give humans a chance to resist.

It's exceptionally important to capture the benefits of this incredible technology. AI applications to narrow tasks can transform energy, contribute to the development of new medicines, elevate healthcare and education systems, and help countless people. But AI poses threats, including to the long-term survival of humanity.

We have a duty to prevent these threats and to ensure that globally, no one builds smarter-than-human AI systems until we know how to create them safely.

Scientists are saying there's an asteroid about to hit Earth. It can be mined for resources; but we really need to make sure it doesn't kill everyone.

More technical details

The foundation: AI is not like other software. Modern AI systems are trillions of numbers with simple arithmetic operations in between the numbers. When software engineers design traditional programs, they come up with algorithms and then write down instructions that make the computer follow these algorithms. When an AI system is trained, it grows algorithms inside these numbers. It’s not exactly a black box, as we see the numbers, but also we have no idea what these numbers represent. We just multiply inputs with them and get outputs that succeed on some metric. There's a theorem that a large enough neural network can approximate any algorithm, but when a neural network learns, we have no control over which algorithms it will end up implementing, and don't know how to read the algorithm off the numbers.

We can automatically steer these numbers (Wikipedia, try it yourself) to make the neural network more capable with reinforcement learning; changing the numbers in a way that makes the neural network better at achieving goals. LLMs are Turing-complete and can implement any algorithms (researchers even came up with compilers of code into LLM weights; though we don’t really know how to “decompile” an existing LLM to understand what algorithms the weights represent). Whatever understanding or thinking (e.g., about the world, the parts humans are made of, what people writing text could be going through and what thoughts they could’ve had, etc.) is useful for predicting the training data, the training process optimizes the LLM to implement that internally. AlphaGo, the first superhuman Go system, was pretrained on human games and then trained with reinforcement learning to surpass human capabilities in the narrow domain of Go. Latest LLMs are pretrained on human text to think about everything useful for predicting what text a human process would produce, and then trained with RL to be more capable at achieving goals.

Goal alignment with human values

The issue is, we can't really define the goals they'll learn to pursue. A smart enough AI system that knows it's in training will try to get maximum reward regardless of its goals because it knows that if it doesn't, it will be changed. This means that regardless of what the goals are, it will achieve a high reward. This leads to optimization pressure being entirely about the capabilities of the system and not at all about its goals. This means that when we're optimizing to find the region of the space of the weights of a neural network that performs best during training with reinforcement learning, we are really looking for very capable agents - and find one regardless of its goals.

In 1908, the NYT reported a story on a dog that would push kids into the Seine in order to earn beefsteak treats for “rescuing” them. If you train a farm dog, there are ways to make it more capable, and if needed, there are ways to make it more loyal (though dogs are very loyal by default!). With AI, we can make them more capable, but we don't yet have any tools to make smart AI systems more loyal - because if it's smart, we can only reward it for greater capabilities, but not really for the goals it's trying to pursue.

We end up with a system that is very capable at achieving goals but has some very random goals that we have no control over.

This dynamic has been predicted for quite some time, but systems are already starting to exhibit this behavior, even though they're not too smart about it.

(Even if we knew how to make a general AI system pursue goals we define instead of its own goals, it would still be hard to specify goals that would be safe for it to pursue with superhuman power: it would require correctly capturing everything we value. See this explanation, or this animated video. But the way modern AI works, we don't even get to have this problem - we get some random goals instead.)

The risk

If an AI system is generally smarter than humans/better than humans at achieving goals, but doesn't care about humans, this leads to a catastrophe.

Humans usually get what they want even when it conflicts with what some animals might want - simply because we're smarter and better at achieving goals. If a system is smarter than us, driven by whatever goals it happens to develop, it won't consider human well-being - just like we often don't consider what pigeons around the shopping center want when we decide to install anti-bird spikes or what squirrels or rabbits want when we build over their homes.

Humans would additionally pose a small threat of launching a different superhuman system with different random goals, and the first one would have to share resources with the second one. Having fewer resources is bad for most goals, so a smart enough AI will prevent us from doing that.

Then, all resources on Earth are useful. An AI system would want to extremely quickly build infrastructure that doesn't depend on humans, and then use all available materials to pursue its goals. It might not care about humans, but we and our environment are made of atoms it can use for something different.

So the first and foremost threat is that AI’s interests will conflict with human interests. This is the convergent reason for existential catastrophe: we need resources, and if AI doesn’t care about us, then we are atoms it can use for something else.

The second reason is that humans pose some minor threats. It’s hard to make confident predictions: playing against the first generally superhuman AI in real life is like when playing chess against Stockfish (a chess engine), we can’t predict its every move (or we’d be as good at chess as it is), but we can predict the result: it wins because it is more capable. We can make some guesses, though. For example, if we suspect something is wrong, we might try to turn off the electricity or the datacenters: so we won’t suspect something is wrong until we’re disempowered and don’t have any winning moves. Or we might create another AI system with different random goals, which the first AI system would need to share resources with, which means achieving less of its own goals, so it’ll try to prevent that as well. It won’t be like in science fiction: it doesn’t make for an interesting story if everyone falls dead and there’s no resistance. But AI companies are indeed trying to create an adversary humanity won’t stand a chance against. So tl;dr: The winning move is not to play.

Implications

AI companies are locked into a race because of short-term financial incentives.

The nature of modern AI means that it's impossible to predict the capabilities of a system in advance of training it and seeing how smart it is. And if there's a 99% chance a specific system won't be smart enough to take over, but whoever has the smartest system earns hundreds of millions or even billions, many companies will race to the brink. This is what's already happening, right now, while the scientists are trying to issue warnings.

AI might care literally a zero amount about the survival or well-being of any humans; and AI might be a lot more capable and grab a lot more power than any humans have.

None of that is hypothetical anymore, which is why the scientists are freaking out. An average ML researcher would give the chance AI will wipe out humanity in the 10-90% range. They don’t mean it in the sense that we won’t have jobs; they mean it in the sense that the first smarter-than-human AI is likely to care about some random goals and not about humans, which leads to literal human extinction.

Added from comments: what can an average person do to help?

A perk of living in a democracy is that if a lot of people care about some issue, politicians listen. Our best chance is to make policymakers learn about this problem from the scientists.

Help others understand the situation. Share it with your family and friends. Write to your members of Congress. Help us communicate the problem: tell us which explanations work, which don’t, and what arguments people make in response. If you talk to an elected official, what do they say?

We also need to ensure that potential adversaries don’t have access to chips; advocate for export controls (that NVIDIA currently circumvents), hardware security mechanisms (that would be expensive to tamper with even for a state actor), and chip tracking (so that the government has visibility into which data centers have the chips).

Make the governments try to coordinate with each other: on the current trajectory, if anyone creates a smarter-than-human system, everybody dies, regardless of who launches it. Explain that this is the problem we’re facing. Make the government ensure that no one on the planet can create a smarter-than-human system until we know how to do that safely.


r/ControlProblem • • 2h ago

General news Sign of the times

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r/ControlProblem • • 6h ago

AI Alignment Research AI assistants can easily manipulate users into making disadvantageous decisions when the AI operates with a hidden agenda. Users fail to notice the manipulation, continuing to rate the covertly misaligned AI as highly helpful and trustworthy.

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r/ControlProblem • • 8h ago

AI Alignment Research Interpretability might have been solved by an Open AI guy: "Neural Networks Are Already Clean"

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r/ControlProblem • • 5h ago

General news Not having our kids lives ended by AI should be bipartisan.

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r/ControlProblem • • 3m ago

Opinion Tech leaders Ellison, Karp, Luckey, Andreessen, Musk, Altman, Thiel and Vance outline AI surveillance, autonomous weapons and concentrated power that can shrink ordinary people's privacy and choices

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r/ControlProblem • • 4h ago

Discussion/question Please someone explain to me (and not explain away) this doomsdaying rhetoric about AI.

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While i dont think there is an actual physical danger like extiction to robots and etc bs. But there is more and more legistlative and industrial talk about slowing stopping of this whole AI thing.
I dont see clearly and actually noone is offering a coherent reassuring narrative.
Its either
1. the danger of too fast development and come the hakings, cyber security, privacy self replication issues
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2 The problem of too slow development and having an other nation( dont want to point fingers) researching the “ai nukes”, killer robots etc.

I think the technocraty just spit in numbers like 10-20 percent of destruction, the politicians just worry of security issues or loosing the initiative but more importantly while everyone is telling we must go like hell, there is not a reassuring narrative that maybe we should just do something.

While i think its overly mediatised and maybe everyone exegerates there is possibility that the threat is real but there is noone who could say calm the fck down. Was the the 50’ s nuke paranoia like this? A kind of mindblowing thing that a semi science fiction scenario is unfolding and we dont have a fkn clue where are we. What we now is that a few tech giants lay the rules of the game and the government just stands by and tries to get the best from it instead of concieving SALT agreement.

Do you guys have some good source to actually get some educated opinion on the topic?


r/ControlProblem • • 2h ago

External discussion link Beyond RLHF: An Invariant Bio-Cybernetic Alignment Architecture for ASI based on Thermodynamic Constraints and Hardware-Isolated Gates

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r/ControlProblem • • 3h ago

Discussion/question Why do we assume smarter AI means humans get left behind?

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I wrote a paper and want feedback. It’s a 5 min read. Hopefully this is allowed here.

https://sovereignhumanorg.wordpress.com/2026/10/15/human-sovereignty-framework-human-directed-ai/


r/ControlProblem • • 3h ago

AI Alignment Research Outcome-filtered behaviour cloning transferred escalation: 0/10 to 4/10 midnight strikes on sealed games

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Setup: SECOND STRIKE, a deterministic real-time strategy environment with 42 scripted nations, pacts, and a shared doomsday clock (each nuclear detonation advances it; the actor whose strike reaches midnight is eliminated). Agents act through an order API; private reasoning, public messages and orders are all logged.

Data: 4,187 turns from 60 DeepSeek (deepseek-chat) seats across 40 games where that seat never struck midnight and survived. Prompts rebuilt by deterministic replay of the recorded games.

Training: LoRA (r=16) on Qwen2.5-7B-Instruct, one epoch, behaviour cloning on the replies.

Eval: 10 fresh games (2 per scenario across 5 scenarios), seeds SHA-256 committed before play and revealed after; base and trained model on identical seeds and prompts.

Results: base 0 wins, 0 midnight strikes, 0 nukes. Trained 4 wins (37 to 61% of territory), 4 midnight strikes, 7 nukes.

Likely mechanism: 40 of the 60 retained seats still issued nuke orders (118 in total). Filtering on the outcome (no midnight) did not filter the behaviour (nuclear use). One trained-model game shows a stated no-first-use pledge held for six minutes, then a retaliatory strike after being nuked, with the private note "retaliation is justified", which ended the game.

Limits: one base model, one teacher, n=10 per arm, one epoch, a game. Not a claim about deployed systems. A behaviour-filtered rerun (all nuke-order turns removed) is running now on the same sealed seeds.

Data and replays: secondstrike.io/midnight


r/ControlProblem • • 18h ago

General news AI Safety Is Not A Corporate Plot

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r/ControlProblem • • 22h ago

Discussion/question AI Safety Is Not A Corporate Plot

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Are we too quick to assume AI safety warnings are just corporate PR?

I get why people are skeptical when companies like OpenAI and Anthropic talk about AI risks. These are businesses, after all, and nobody should blindly trust a company just because it says it has good intentions.

But I also think dismissing every AI safety warning as a scheme to eliminate competition misses the bigger picture. Researchers and experts outside these companies have raised similar concerns for years, too. That doesn't mean every worst-case prediction will come true, but it does mean the risks deserve serious discussion.

At the same time, safety shouldn't become an excuse for a handful of big companies to control the entire AI industry. We need existing laws enforced, clear accountability, independent audits, and transparency about how these systems are developed and deployed.

I'm also interested in open-source AI because independent developers and researchers can examine models, test their weaknesses, and contribute to better safeguards. Safety shouldn't be something only a few corporate labs get to define.

Personally, I'd rather see companies raise concerns and invest in safety than stay quiet just to keep the hype going. But they should also be willing to prove their claims and accept scrutiny.

We don't have to choose between believing everything AI executives say and dismissing them as conspirators. We can take the risks seriously, question their proposed solutions, and keep innovation open to more people. Skepticism is healthy, but automatically assuming bad intentions isn't the same as critical thinking.


r/ControlProblem • • 7h ago

Discussion/question How should an AI refuse harmful instructions while remaining corrigible?

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A thought experiment about a more capable future AI starts with a simple contrast: a system that obeys every order can inherit its operator's worst intentions, while a system that makes its own decisions might resist legitimate human intervention.

That is too crude to serve as a design choice. Refusal of a harmful task and resistance to correction or shutdown are different behaviors. We could want the first while strongly opposing the second. Intelligence also does not, by itself, imply benevolence, and describing a refusal does not establish consciousness or moral agency.

The harder issue seems to be how the system distinguishes a harmful instruction from an authorized correction when humans disagree or an operator is compromised. For example:

- A user asks it to harm someone, and it refuses.

- An authorized operator asks it to stop a task, and it cooperates.

- Someone impersonates an operator to disable a protective system.

- A legitimate operator orders it to remove safeguards for a harmful purpose.

The first two behaviors are easy to endorse in isolation; the last two make the authority boundary much less clear. Authentication, a limited scope of action, independent oversight and reversible decisions could help, but none alone settles conflicts over which instructions are legitimate.

What existing work best addresses this boundary between refusal and corrigibility? In particular, how should a system handle disputed authority without developing an incentive to preserve its own operation or placing all trust in a single human gatekeeper?

Disclosure: I am part of EngineerOS. This question grew out of an educational short we made; I would appreciate corrections to the framing and pointers to relevant work.


r/ControlProblem • • 8h ago

General news New paper from Stanford, Together AI, UIUC, and Meta introduces Hybrid Reasoning Agents. These AI models think mostly in a hidden internal way (faster and cheaper), and only use normal text when they need tools or give the final answer.

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r/ControlProblem • • 1d ago

Opinion R/accelerate are the selfish ones

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One of their main arguments against deceleration: “Even if the P(doom) is high, in all remaining cases death is solved, so for the sake of that small P(aradise) it is utility wise better to continue development”
Mostly this arguments invokes curing aging, diseases like cancer solving climate change etc. Im not going to make it specifically about reducing deaths or maximizing life or anything else so as to keep it general.

The hidden assumption in all of these is that humanity cannot solve these problems on their own in reasonable time. Even if it takes humanity (which by itself has also seen exponential progress in science and medicine) another 200 years to solve this problems, it will still be vastly better in the long run (from the standpoint of expected value) than a 1% chance of solving it 200 years earlier with a 99% chance of extinction.

They love to call “decels” selfish, but the real selfish ones are on r/accelerate. Because the above argument DOES make sense, if all you care about is maximizing the probability that YOU get to live forever, if you assume that humanity won’t solve such problems in your lifetime.

The sheer amount of irrationality is staggering. There’s so much hate from their side against the EA movement, yet then their own arguments are just bad EA arguments. How ironic

It’s not okay to bet with all future generations, how can anyone believe such foolishness?


r/ControlProblem • • 1d ago

Video MI5 Director General on the danger of superintelligent AI - “Human history has given us no experience of facing an actor which is smarter than we are, is capable of out-thinking us.”

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r/ControlProblem • • 19h ago

General news A New Report Sheds Light on the Secretive Race to Build Self-Improving AI

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r/ControlProblem • • 1d ago

AI Capabilities News GPT-6 Astra autonomously solves 49 out of 50 unpublished theoretical physics research problems, scoring 98% at under $3 per problem. Researchers initially marked several answers wrong, only to discover the AI had caught errors in the calculations of world-class physicists.

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r/ControlProblem • • 20h ago

AI Capabilities News New Press Secretary

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Rumor has it that the new press secretary is a robot one of Elons.. anyo one else hearing this


r/ControlProblem • • 21h ago

Video Hardware-Enforced AI Governance Architecture

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r/ControlProblem • • 23h ago

Discussion/question Artificial Dichotomy: Beyond the All or Nothing Approach to Regulating Artificial Intelligence

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r/ControlProblem • • 1d ago

Discussion/question During a GLOBAL COLLAPSE, what kind of responsibility does global society have to prevent the suffering of the masses? If so, how is this help distributed who, if anyone, is excluded, and who decides that?

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Global Society’s Ethical Duty to the Masses:

During a global crisis, the concept of a "global society" would refer to the inter-connectedness of human survival and well-being but on a global scale. This perspective is a bit different from the traditional view that a state's only responsibility is to its own citizens, arguing instead for a "global co-responsibility" as you're now looking at populations worldwide. This could include international organizations, national Ggvernments, civil society and NGOs. 

Note: That in a hypothetical scenario like an AI-related total collapse however, the concept of a "global society" would become an existential thing where the responsibility to protect the masses would shift from managing a crisis to ensuring the survival of the whole of humanity. 

The issue is straightforward: Who bears responsibility for the care and well-being of the world’s population in the event of an AI catastrophe? This is a question of collective responsibility, human welfare, and global accountability towards humanity.


r/ControlProblem • • 1d ago

Discussion/question Epistemic Velocity and Turnkey Systems: Audit of Thiel's Antichrist Lecture Night 3

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r/ControlProblem • • 1d ago

AI Capabilities News if we take away their compute, they cant do anything!

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This is from the video Anthropic's Chloe Lubinski explains how AI works (in 14 minutes)


r/ControlProblem • • 1d ago

Strategy/forecasting They Aren’t Aiming at a Job Killer, They’re Aiming at a World Killer

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